LU #15

[Morv]

<DIV>Wow useless...</DIV>

[Fortai]

Just like this thread so far.

[Ellrin]

<DIV>nope hes right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not interested in shirtless males or pumpkins or any other rubbish. </DIV> <DIV>How about fix what wasnt tested, I want to raid, my guild wants to raid.</DIV> <DIV>I want to keep my guild alive, pumpkins and other fluff doesnt cut it, fixing old world raid mobs does.</DIV>

[Feneant]

Who needs tier 6 writs when I can go shirtless and impress all the guys who play female caracters. f*ck, I have around 5 plat just in tier 6 subs waiting for writs, I had to sell my horse to be able to buy more fuel so how about you get your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] act together instead of offering inane crap and fixing what is already there and broken- which is a hell of a lot still! <div></div>

[Armill]

The most useful thing about htis update is some tradeskill fixes...other than that this update gets a D on my scale of live updates...pointless SoE pointless

[Aelore]

<DIV>I agree completely in regards to the Halloween and the shirtless male junk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously, if we're going to have 'halloween' in Norrath, we should have some Lore to support it, don't you think?  It just ruins the game whenever we have aspects of our 'real' life that appear in the game like Halloween, Valentine's Day, Christmas, etc...   Besides, don't most people stop caring about Halloween after about the age of 14?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, the shirtless males thing is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen on patch notes headlines in my life.  Sure, put it in the 'Art' section of the patch notes if you want, but list it as a headline/feature?   ..lol </DIV>

[Ildarus]

<DIV>The shirtless male thing probably shouldn't have been a priority with all of the other issues, but to say it was stupid is probably a bit much. Players have been asking for this for some time now. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The halloween stuff /thumbs down </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How much time was spent coding this instead of fixing broken quests, raid content, loot drops, and other character issues. Some people will get a kick out of it, but other than that I think time could have been spent on other things. I understand some people have asked for this kind of stuff, but we have bigger things that need fixed. </DIV>

[valkyrja]

Come on guys, they are trying to put something fun into the game and you get down on them?  (Refering to Halloween not topless males lol) Yeah, we all know there are other things that need fixing, but you have to admit it's FUN to do something different.  As long as there are MMORPGs there will be bugs.  Not to mention that they try to do some updates for every type of person out there.  Some people care more about the art in this game (see the Art forum).  I'm not saying there aren't bugs that [Removed for Content] me off, but why is it that all people do is trash the devs? And BTW Aerolean, lots of people over the age of 14 enjoy Halloween.  Have you ever been to a bar on halloween? Or a party? Some of the best parties I have ever been to were Halloween parties.<div></div>

[notxab]

You all seem to be missing the most important part of the update: <i>- <font color="#ffff00"><b>Pressing the Esc key while typing text in the chat window will now clear the text and cause the chat window to lose focus.</b></font> Clicking the mouse outside the chat window will change focus while retaining text that has been typed. </i> I send people a lot of half sentences when things heat up in battle.  <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[Grimjakk]

<DIV>I'd like to point out that auto-exiting combat when an implied target dies is a long asked for boon to all healers.  At one point or another we've all cursed the clumsy implied target mechanics.  Usually while staring at our group's corpses. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm real good at waking up mezzed mobs or agroing non-agro encounters that the group member I'm healing just happens to tab thru'...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure that anyone that uses ranged attacks and/or stealth will appreciate the changes to those mechanics too.</DIV>

[Mor]

<span><blockquote><hr>notxabbu wrote: I send people a lot of half sentences when things heat up in battle.  <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>I do this a lot too.   Glad to see a fix for it.</span><div></div>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sparql wrote:<BR>Come on guys, they are trying to put something fun into the game and you get down on them?  (Refering to Halloween not topless males lol)<BR><BR>Yeah, we all know there are other things that need fixing, but you have to admit it's FUN to do something different.  As long as there are MMORPGs there will be bugs.  Not to mention that they try to do some updates for every type of person out there.  Some people care more about the art in this game (see the Art forum).  I'm not saying there aren't bugs that [Removed for Content] me off, but why is it that all people do is trash the devs?<BR><BR>And BTW Aerolean, lots of people over the age of 14 enjoy Halloween.  Have you ever been to a bar on halloween? Or a party? Some of the best parties I have ever been to were Halloween parties.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/agree...</P> <P>it appears that people didn't read the whole list of changes...there are lots more besides being shirtless and halloween...guess they suffer from ADD?</P>

[Brorin]

<P>Pfft... anyone that has come from EQ1 or another MMO know that there is always gonna be a Halloween inspired theme going on around that time.  They have probably been working on this since last year, so it's not fair to say that they wasted their time doing this instead of fixing the fixes that the patch for the expansion broke.</P> <P>Look at it this way, I will use the Halloween stuff to take my mind a little bit off of all the issues at hand.  And to give another positive spin on it, it at least buys them a little more time to get some fixes done.</P> <P>Oh, and you don't want to see the uproar there would be if they didn't have an event during Halloween.  Egad! I */shudder* to think abuot it.</P> <P>And... It is right on the eve of Anniversary numero uno.... pretty sure they will throw us another bone to keep us occupied during that time, giving them a nice cushion to get things done right.</P> <P>Oh... and right after that we will be coming into the XMasQwanzaHannakuhetc. holidays, so I am sure there will be another good time planned for all.</P> <P>Um... yeah... we are never getting fixed, lol.  But look me up anytime and I will take my shirt off for ya */wink*</P>

[Gwide]

<DIV>There is a lot of good fixes, and a Holloween event.  A lot of people have been asking for more events.  I think it is a very good patch.  </DIV>

[Lader]

<DIV>i dont see why people are always yelling at the devs. sure, there are things in the game which require some attention, but its like that in every mmo. Im ecstatic that they are doing something for halloween! Im 18, in college, and going to a few parties here on campus. yes, a lot of people stop trick or treating when they are 14, but that doesnt mean you cant have fun! The devs are working their hardest to make this game enjoyable, and im satisfied with letting them take the time they need to work on things while at the same time providing entertainment with events. Multitasking does work :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bulim</DIV> <DIV>46 Paladin</DIV> <DIV>Lucan D'Lere</DIV>

[Vicio]

<DIV>I think it's a small move in the right direction.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We now have improved stats on t6 armor (needed), ability to go shirtless (fluff), Halloween Event (nice fluff) and a handful of bug fixes (needed).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Overall I don't see anything in this update that is <EM>worthless</EM> which is a nice move. However it's still not a whole lot IMHO.</DIV>

[NrthnStar5]

<DIV>This is a good patch. I'm excited for the halloween stuff, and i see quite a few fixes and enhancements that i'm looking foward to. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What i DON'T understand is why everyone is bashing every little thing here. So many people are saying , "Fix what's broken before adding fluff". Did anyone think that maybe a completely different team of people are working on these other things like fixing old world raids? C'mon, it's obvious that these changes and fixes arn't ready yet. If SOE didn't put out any patch at all, we'd have people bashing why there are no updates. With some people, i think it's simply a lose lose situation. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm looking forward to the changes, and i'm certain that SOE is working hard on other issues that need to be addressed. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People need to take a chill pill.</DIV>

[Fortai]

<DIV>Come on guys, if it was shirtless females, I'm sure a lot less people would be objecting to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as the Live Event goes, I think this is great.  We need more live events, there are no where close to enough.  Instead of being negative, I would just say I think it's a step in the right direction, although hopefully many more steps will be made in the near future.</DIV>

[TygerBlueEy]

<P>It's disappointing. My question is -- We get Halloween, but will we get Stanta? It's ok to honor evil spirits. Will it be ok to honor a good spirit?</P> <P> </P>

[Cuz]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aelorean wrote:<BR> <DIV>Besides, don't most people stop caring about Halloween after about the age of 14?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>I'm 24 and I still love Halloween. Actually It's my favorite time of the year.</P>

[Banef]

You know I have a feeling if they did nothing for halloween someone would post "OMG GAME XYZ GOT COSTUMES!!1!" and so on.  I for one like the shirtless option.  A simple flag on the textures that probbably took all of 5 minutes. Stop your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing salllys. <div></div>

[Dazzler_Twodir]

They still can't beat FFXI they have visible pumpkin heads for players to wear and they do up the town big for the holidays.

[Banef]

<span><blockquote><hr>Dazzler_Twodirks wrote:They still can't beat FFXI they have visible pumpkin heads for players to wear and they do up the town big for the holidays. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Who cares, FFXI blows</span><div></div>

[Aaf]

And FFXI got the idea from Anarcy Online.  Heh, I still loved my lil shrunken pumpkin head following me around as well.

[Pheeb]

It would have been nice to get  the cobalt (color) armor fixed (not to be just like Ebon) as well as other types (i.e. Golden armor not being golden, etc) <div></div>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jenoy wrote:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aelorean wrote:<BR> <DIV>Besides, don't most people stop caring about Halloween after about the age of 14?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>I'm 24 and I still love Halloween. Actually It's my favorite time of the year.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I love halloween too, gives me a great excuse to scare the kiddies in the neighborhood [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]less (isn't that really what halloween is about?)

[Khelyn]

<P><BR><EM> Level 50 crafted armor gets improved stats!</EM><BR></P> <P>Anyone notice if the stats on the Cobalt Chain has improved?  Would be greatly appreciated if someone would post some of the new stats. :smileyhappy:</P>

[Calthine]

They're in the Tradeskill forums, Armorer Subclass.

[Afmo_13]

<span><blockquote><hr>My question is -- We get Halloween, but will we get Stanta? <b>It's ok to honor evil spirits</b>. Will it be ok to honor a good spirit?<hr></blockquote>wow, you really dont have any idea what halloween is all about do you?</span><div></div>

[Gornd]

It's been over a month since the combat changes went live.  The moment these changes all epics instantly became unbalanced and unaccomplishable by their intended player levels.  It seems all too clear that there is not a proper testing enviroment, including communication with developers.  Could something please be done to have a few guilds interact with testing GM in which they can: 1) Be instantly leveled to the intended level targets 2) Be equipped with the gear appropriate for the challenge. Testing on the live servers is fruitless.  Not only do you have physical testing barriers (re-entry timers, armor decay, one-shot trials) that hamper testing, but there are also independant reasons (repair costs, debt, etc). Right now it's becoming more evident that the hardest challenge in killing these mobs will be keeping my members interest in the game.  Which... is rather hard because what they play it for is being completely pushed aside and not looked at. Thank you, Gorndax Dragondorf Leader of Legacy Unrest <div></div>

[Lader]

<DIV>i believe they already have this covered, not entirely positive though...i seem to remember a long flamefest about it when people heard though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bulim</DIV> <DIV>46 Paladin</DIV> <DIV>Lucna D'Lere</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lader on <span class=date_text>10-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:19 PM</span>

[Heiro]

<DIV>Gorndax, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Test server currently has characters on it of various classes that can and do raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We report bugs, we have asked for GM/QA/DEV involvement, and on  a few occasions have had an Observer on some of the raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While we may not be on a par with the live servers Raiding guilds.. we do have a presence and have done our best to call attention to the issues regarding Raiding.   We will see how this pans out though.</DIV>

[Ellrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gorndax wrote:<BR>It's been over a month since the combat changes went live.  The moment these changes all epics instantly became unbalanced and unaccomplishable by their intended player levels.  It seems all too clear that there is not a proper testing enviroment, including communication with developers.  <BR><BR>Could something please be done to have a few guilds interact with testing GM in which they can:<BR>1) Be instantly leveled to the intended level targets<BR>2) Be equipped with the gear appropriate for the challenge.<BR><BR>Testing on the live servers is fruitless.  Not only do you have physical testing barriers (re-entry timers, armor decay, one-shot trials) that hamper testing, but there are also independant reasons (repair costs, debt, etc).<BR><BR>Right now it's becoming more evident that the hardest challenge in killing these mobs will be keeping my members interest in the game.  Which... is rather hard because what they play it for is being completely pushed aside and not looked at.<BR><BR>Thank you,<BR>Gorndax Dragondorf<BR>Leader of Legacy<BR>Unrest<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Gorndax you and I seem to be ploughing a lonely furrow trying to get this stuff sorted out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<P>**PLEASE NO POSTING ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS**</P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:34 AM</span>

[Kaknya]

**PLEASE NO POSTING ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:35 AM</span>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<P>**PLEASE NOTHING POLITICAL**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 AM</span>

[Rijacki]

Test Update part deux is up and has a lot of the stuff people are complaining about.  They usually put the updates on Test in two parts.  If they didn't "do halloween" then people would complain and whine about how so and such game is better because they do halloween thus and so (heck someone in this thread piped up with that and she probably hasn't even seen the halloween stuff here, yet).  *rolls her eyes* <div></div>

[Dazzler_Twodir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rijacki wrote:<BR>Test Update part deux is up and has a lot of the stuff people are complaining about.  They usually put the updates on Test in two parts.  <BR><BR>If they didn't "do halloween" then people would complain and whine about how so and such game is better because they do halloween thus and so (heck someone in this thread piped up with that and she probably hasn't even seen the halloween stuff here, yet).  <BR><BR>*rolls her eyes*<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Considering the Christmas holiday stuff that was in last yeah and comparing it to what FFXI did with it i can say that Sony doesn't hold a Norrathian Holiday Candle to that.</P> <P>True i haven't gone on test to see the new stuff i'll wait for it to go live.</P> <P>Maybe they'll do it up big this time, I hope they do.</P>

[Kaknya]

  <Testing on the live servers is fruitless.  Not only do you have physical testing barriers (re-entry timers, armor decay, one-shot trials) that hamper testing, but there are also independant reasons (repair costs, debt, etc).> and we don't? Test is basically a carbon copy of a live server, only we have that xtra +50% xp bonus.. which really doesn't amount to all that much, im still spending a couple of days to make 47.. really i think they should call us a final check server, and not a test server since half the time we dont even get to test things before thier put on live. and as far as the complaints about lu13.. dont look at test for that, look at beta and all your friends that played there, test had little to no involvment with that update, and all of our qa/dev/qc support was moved there and left us pretty much high and dry.. <div></div>

[Shadowles]

<P>Im shocked once again at the lack of useful updates.  SOE seems to be dragging its feet on giving us quality gaming by means of armor, weapon, racial stats and spell variety/graphics.  Stop feeding us pigeon food and give us the beef, im seeing too many players leaving game including in my guild and around me with the lack of players around.  This game starting to become desolate.  </P> <P>Remember EQ1 you did alot of things right in that game, epics, weapon, armor variety/graphics, class specific gear, interesting procs and unique gear, etc. etc., start looking at what you did right and implement those good ideas and creativity in EQ2.  Getting tired of feeling like im not getting my moneys worth playing this game and its just a game with no real rewarding experience.  </P> <P>Fix your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Loot tables also while your at it, add new interesting weapons/armor to the game, get your priorities in check and listen to the playerbase for once and you might be able to retain some of us for more than 1 year.  You definately kept my attention in EQ1 for over 4yrs but for EQ2 im somehow desperately waiting for other upcoming MMorpgs to come out due to the lack of reward this game has amongst other things.  Stop wasting our time SOE and bring it or lose more subscriptions and watch this game flop.</P> <P>Sincerely,</P> <P>Angry Customer whos patience has grown thin!</P>

[Gornd]

<span><blockquote><hr>Heiro wrote:<div>Gorndax, </div> <div> </div> <div> Test server currently has characters on it of various classes that can and do raid.</div> <div> </div> <div>We report bugs, we have asked for GM/QA/DEV involvement, and on  a few occasions have had an Observer on some of the raids.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>While we may not be on a par with the live servers Raiding guilds.. we do have a presence and have done our best to call attention to the issues regarding Raiding.   We will see how this pans out though.</div><hr></blockquote> It's good to hear that test server is trying to sort through some of the epic mess.  I applaud you for your efforts.    It's a shame though that nothing has been pushed to live that shows any signs of actual testing.  The deception quest, both in risk and reward, is simply a huge joke at the moment.  The presidence set by this has shocked many in my guild. Now, to be perfectly honest I think that SoE is shooting themselves in the foot due to a horrendous testing enviroment.  There is simply no way to adequately test these on either the live or test server.  Too many variables are present that should be controlled.  The only way to do that is to get a group a team of 24 people in the community this effects (ie, people that regularly raid this stuff), and have them religiously fight over and over the same mobs, to get accurate data (ie, mob dps, abilities, healing power, effectiveness of skills, etc) in order to properally tone.  Bottom line is that results need to be shown.  So far... there has been no results, no communication, and only a blundered mess in the high end.  SoE changed everything at once, and as such, needs to bring in alternative means of testing to make sure that certain aspects of the game are working correctly. Gorndax Dragondorf Leader of Legacy Unrest</span><div></div>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

i want pie <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>can we have pie?</DIV>

[Chefren]

<SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:<BR> <P>and santa isn't a spirit - he's a cartoon manufactured by the christian church in order to help assimilate pagan cultures worshiping of the new year into their own..</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Please read up on a subject before spreading your paranoia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Christmas<BR><BR><BR></SPAN>Father Christmas<BR>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.<!-- start content --> <P><B>Father Christmas</B> is a name used in the <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" target=_blank>United Kingdom</A> for the gift bringing figure of <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus" target=_blank>Santa Claus</A>. Although Father Christmas and Santa Claus are now used interchangeably, the origins of Father Christmas are quite different.</P> <P>**PLEASE NO POSTING ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS**</P> <P>He was neither a gift bringer nor was he associated with children. During the <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era" target=_blank>Victorian era</A> when Santa Claus arrived from America he was merged with "Old Winter", "Old Christmas" or "Old Father Christmas" to create Father Christmas, the British Santa which survives today.</P> <P>The only aspect of Old Winter which survives is the Christmas Eve custom of leaving food and drink (typically a <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mince_pie" target=_blank>mince pie</A> and a glass of sherry) out for Father Christmas to feast upon as he visits each house.</P> <p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>10-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:36 AM</span>

[Exibar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lader wrote:<BR> <DIV>i dont see why people are always yelling at the devs. sure, there are things in the game which require some attention, but its like that in every mmo. Im ecstatic that they are doing something for halloween! Im 18, in college, and going to a few parties here on campus. yes, a lot of people stop trick or treating when they are 14, but that doesnt mean you cant have fun! The devs are working their hardest to make this game enjoyable, and im satisfied with letting them take the time they need to work on things while at the same time providing entertainment with events. Multitasking does work :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bulim</DIV> <DIV>46 Paladin</DIV> <DIV>Lucan D'Lere</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I totally agree!   We NEED in game content like the halloween stuff, the shirtless thing, well, if others have been asking for it then it's a good thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I don't really have an interest personally, but more content = good stuff!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>     they are fixing the tradeskill stuff, slowly but surely.  I'm sure, ABSOLUTELY sure that the big Cut&paste fiasco will never happen again.  I myself hope the guy that simply cut and pasted T5 stuff into T6 and change only like one or two things, either got fired or was removed from important customer facing stuff completely....  he should be designing horse manure for the game, not front line tradeskilling stuff.....  and there was clearly ZERO amount of QA done on the new tradeskill recipies, that is very obvious as well.....</P> <P> </P> <P>     Anyway, things are getting fixed, I very happy about that... mistakes from the past are being learned from.... new stuff's being added, I'm a happy camper <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Lydiae]

This discussion, all of it, from the fundamentalist anti-Halowe'en nonsense to the anti-Christian bigotry, <STRONG>has no place here</STRONG>.

[Kenazeer]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimjakk wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'd like to point out that auto-exiting combat when an implied target dies is a long asked for boon to all healers.  At one point or another we've all cursed the clumsy implied target mechanics.  Usually while staring at our group's corpses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm real good at waking up mezzed mobs or agroing non-agro encounters that the group member I'm healing just happens to tab thru'...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure that anyone that uses ranged attacks and/or stealth will appreciate the changes to those mechanics too.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I liked autoattack staying on when the implied target died. I really only used it at certain times during raids though.</DIV>

[Lasia2]

<P>NICE. my spell cancelling without my jumping like a lunatic to cancel it myself when otehrs have killed the mob during my long-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] casting.</P> <P> </P> <P>Anybody have any real experiences with these updates while playing on test server, or are we just kvetching about it?</P> <P>I wanna know where to find the pumpkin patches, and the gobbies who give the trick or treat game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Shirtless men. great.   troll-boobies and scrawny pale elven chests.</P>

[Stormykat]

<span><blockquote><hr>Dazzler_Twodirks wrote:They still can't beat FFXI they have visible pumpkin heads for players to wear and they do up the town big for the holidays. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And in EQ1 - Enchanters could turn you into a pumpkin head. How do you know they can't beat it? You haven't seen it. </span><div></div>

[Finora]

Is anyone other than me unhappy with all the... stuff they keep doing to the game windows? Specifically those on the MainHUD? Like the extraordinarily large player and target windows? The huge border that is now around the hotbars? I thought the old ones were too big personally and now they've gone and made them even larger? Ugh.

[Dazzler_Twodir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stormykat wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dazzler_Twodirks wrote:<BR>They still can't beat FFXI they have visible pumpkin heads for players to wear and they do up the town big for the holidays. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>And in EQ1 - Enchanters could turn you into a pumpkin head. How do you know they can't beat it? You haven't seen it. <BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I meant the CHRISTMAS stuff they couldn't beat.</P> <P>Entire towns done up someone should post a screenshot.</P>

[SniperKitty]

Yes, that's about the only thing FFXI did right, was celebrating various holidays.  They really went all out decorating the towns with tinsel, lights, trees and more.  I guarentee however, if SOE did something like that and it involved a long download, people would whine about it.  Actually, my points already proved.  People are already whining about Halloween events and they haven't even had to download it yet. <div></div>

[Mat]

<HR> <P>Remember EQ1 you did alot of things right in that game, epics, weapon, armor variety/graphics, class specific gear, interesting procs and unique gear, etc. etc., start looking at what you did right and implement those good ideas and creativity in EQ2.  Getting tired of feeling like im not getting my moneys worth playing this game and its just a game with no real rewarding experience. </P> <P></P> <HR> <P>FYI, I heard that EQ1 and EQ2 devs are 2 totally different divisions. Original EQ1 team has gone developing "Vanguard" as they disagreed with the instance zoning concept.  </P>

[Wonderlu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <DIV>The shirtless male thing probably shouldn't have been a priority with all of the other issues, but to say it was stupid is probably a bit much. Players have been asking for this for some time now. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The halloween stuff /thumbs down </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How much time was spent coding this instead of fixing broken quests, raid content, loot drops, and other character issues. Some people will get a kick out of it, but other than that I think time could have been spent on other things. I understand some people have asked for this kind of stuff, but we have bigger things that need fixed. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What players are asking for stupid things like this?  And what about players that are asking for you to fix this game?  Does that count?  Ohhh they are asking for shirtless toons....wow~  WOW  WOW  WOW!!!  Or maybe Vanguard, Vanguard!!  Fix this game or I'm off to something else..even if I have to play ping pong.....what a mess this game is becoming..  Get new people to work on it.  Or new producers or something...it's going to hell in a hand basket quick</P>

[TheOnlySariah]

Let me get this straight...male toons can now be shirtless but female toons can't?? No fair how sexist is that!? My free lovin woodelf want to be topless too!! lol

[Landiin]

<span><blockquote><hr>TheOnlySariah wrote:Let me get this straight...male toons can now be shirtless but female toons can't?? No fair how sexist is that!? My free lovin woodelf want to be topless too!! lol <div></div><hr></blockquote>/agree</span><div></div>

[DngrMou]

<DIV>The whole thing sounds like fun to me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And....I now return you to the braying dissaffected cattle, and their ceaseless whinging, that we've all grown accustomed too.</DIV>

[bigbo]

<P>I agree with DngrMse. Why are you all complaining for anyways...   Going shirtless now thats somthing to be happy about. Who care's if quests are broken or the screw up with mitigation vs avoidance issue.. heck for that matter even the simple little thing as t6 crafted armor...   Nope going shirtless and halloween events are where its at.   Cheers to you SoE.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<P>unfortunatly many things got broken with this update :smileysad:</P> <P>hope they have patches for them tomorrow...then i will be happy once again</P> <P>:smileywink:</P>

[Aegori]

<DIV>Just want to be sure i hear this right - </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Annoyance fixes:</DIV> <UL> <LI>No more staying in auto-attack after a mob is dead when assisting through the implied target</LI> <LI>Horses no longer have to be resummoned after entering water</LI> <LI>Dying in lava/water/falling auto-absorbs shard</LI></UL> <P>- Raid Fixes (the biggest issue in the community right now):</P> <UL> <LI>x2, x3, and x4 epics melee/spell/etc damage reduced</LI></UL> <P>- Group Mob Changes:</P> <UL> <LI>^^^ Heroic health pools reduced</LI> <LI>The experience awarded for defeating NPCs with one or more up arrows has been increased</LI></UL> <P>- Tons of Tradeskill Fixes</P> <P>- Warden/Fury healing changes to bring them in line with other healers (another burning community issue)</P> <P>- General Fixes that affected a lot of people:</P> <UL> <LI>Lvl 56+ players can once again get their prismatics</LI> <LI>Maintained spells now drop properly when people leave your raid/group</LI> <LI>A bunch of AoE spell lines are now tuned to not be resisted as much</LI></UL> <P>- Lots of Spell Fixes</P> <P>- Interface Optimizations</P> <P> </P> <P>... and on top of that they gave us a new instace to play in, halloween events, new looks for a few armor and weapon types and we'll be getting quivers soon.</P> <P>How is this a bad update?</P> <P>-Aeg</P>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aegorian wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>- Tons of Tradeskill Fixes</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>they broke a bunch of tradeskill stuff too :smileysad:<BR>

[Aegori]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aegorian wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>- Tons of Tradeskill Fixes</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>they broke a bunch of tradeskill stuff too :smileysad:<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>eh... it happens <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> it'll be hotfixed soon more than likely

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>g0thiCiCecReaM wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Aegorian wrote: <div>- Tons of Tradeskill Fixes</div> <hr> </blockquote>they broke a bunch of tradeskill stuff too :smileysad: <div></div><hr></blockquote>What -specifically- was broken?  "a bunch" doesn't say squat, ya know.  Though I haven't been over in the tradeskill forum yet (forum reading at work... when I should be writing about SNMP *laugh*).</span><div></div>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

hehe sorry...i posted the filtering/sorting issues in another thread

[Nanamadar]

<DIV>Perhaps the problem is that some of YOU have forgotten that some of US still PLAY (yes, that's PLAY, not a second job, not a life's achievment, PLAY) this game to have FUN.  *I* don't WANT to raid, *my* Guild is just fine and I find the pumpkins, bats, masks and all the other "useless" stuff to be FUN, so it falls well within the "useful" realm for PLAYING a GAME.  I quite LIKE my "scare" crow and enjoyed the quest to get it... and considering that the zone was so lagged with people packing in that movement was painful, I'd say there are a lot of others who did as well...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upshot is this... posting "Useless" was just that, the update wasn't.  Maybe while you're waiting for the next "useful" update, you could work a couple of extra shifts at McDonalds or move out of Mom's basement??</DIV>

[Ellrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nanamadar wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upshot is this... posting "Useless" was just that, the update wasn't.  Maybe while you're waiting for the next "useful" update, you could work a couple of extra shifts at McDonalds or move out of Mom's basement??</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Got any more tired mmorpg cliches for us?<BR>

[Colier]

Hey..they gave us Pumkins..but no Pumkin pie recipes! Hmmm. Love the new Black Ebon Plate Armor Also!..<FONT color=#ff3300>NOT!!!</FONT>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

the ebon vanguard armor is just plain awful now...looks like they decided to just paint it black and be lazy about doing any detail on it what so ever

[Magiocracy]

As well as the new Black Crayon effect on Ebon plate, don't forget the wonderful new UI that we've been graced with. /sarcasm off <div></div>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

the UI is getting rather cartoonish...i don't really care for the new compass...some of the windows are nicer now tho...the confirmation dialogs look like a kids game tho...and some of the buttons are harder to click now b/c some clickable objects next to them are over lapping their clickable areas

[Vicio]

<DIV>Live Update #15 is a good update. A few people may not like the events but it's a welcome diversion for a few days. I find the holiday theme much needed in an otherwise bland setting. Kudos to whoever made the masks. Those are going to be worn well into the new year.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really wish Cobalt would have been a actual blue color instead of (for all intents and purposes) black. Ebon is even <EM>blacker</EM> if that is possible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid mobs were...improved. They are certainly more managable. We didn't have the numbers to properly raid Dreyek (test raid) because we had three healers across three groups but we...we did okay. SOE doesn't need to know how okay in case they pull out the nerf bat again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If updates like this were standard since launch I don't think you would see the amount of hate being generated right now imho.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<P>i admit the update was good</P> <P>the mystical mirrors got fixed..</P> <P>horses recast themselves after you get out of the water...</P> <P>epics got toned down...</P> <P>pathfinding is always on...</P> <P>the masks are fun as well as the holiday content...</P> <P>fighters now get stances in t1 levels...</P> <P>but i do hope they fix the ebon armor, makes me sad to look kinda dumb now... :smileysad:</P>

[thepriz]

I just wanted to say that I am impressed with this update and really appreciate the holiday content. Please keep up the good work. <div></div>

[Lasia2]

<P>Judging by the vast amount of people i'm constantly seeing hanging out in NQ, doing the haunted mansion or the trick-or-treat game.....i'd say the general consensus is that just about everyone likes the fluff <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I was thrilled-and-a-half with the Raven for my room, as well as the fact that he induces a zombie who pops up and tries to scare the bejeezus outta ya <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[salerene]

<P>what I find really funny is they give these fluff stuff and fix and break other things, but a bug that has been in the game since release hasn't be even touched. I talking about the fog effect in city maps. I can't remember how many times I've had to recheck to remove the fog on the city map.</P> <P>Everytime I go into the city I have to recheck the remove fog. Yes its a small bug, but you would think that it would somewhat easy to fix. also whats with the compass being so huge now? I perfer the normal UI that I used before this patch. Whats the point of changing the size of the UI windows? also most if not all my chat boxes never save thier settings and please give me away to remove /duel anouncements I personally could careless who beats whom in a duel.</P> <P>The event was the normal stuff SOE throws out. could careless about it. It serves no purpose for me so I ignore it. shirtless thing is just stupid. </P> <P>If people were asking for these things then why hasn't SOE put in a better LFG tools? Thats been asked for a long time by lots of people.</P>