LU 13 and how everyone is Concerned about it

[Espyderman]

<DIV>hello people. I wanted to post this cause ive seen a ton of peoiple saying LU13 will ruin their class and they will quit if it does.</DIV> <DIV>I have some statements for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are going to quit cause something changed and you didnt like it? Please take your CC and go home, cancel your account.</DIV> <DIV>If your complaining that you cant kite an epic, and can no longer solo group mobs and you dont want this change, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV>If your whining that your zerker isnt a naked axe toting dps'er and dont like the fact he is a tanking class with dps, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is these changes are coming, they will go live, and no amount of your whining will change that. you uberites need to realize gaming is a PRIVILEDGE. You pay for this priviledge and you dont control this priviledge. its liek driving a car, you allowed to drive your car within the rules of the road, you dont like the rules you dont drive.</DIV> <DIV>Same goes for gaming, you dont like the game or the changes, you dont play. The rest of us will enjoy the changes even tho they are severe and will come to accept them, like em or not. I wont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about them, i wont cry about SOE making changes, i will applaud them for taking a chance, and applaud them for DOING SOMETHING. Many companies do nothing and let their games die. SOE is making an effort and all you fanbois and uberites can do is whine and cry for these things NOT to happen, but on other developer forums people BEG them to update their game or fix their bugs and it falls on deaf ears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be thankful we still got support from SOE and be more thankful we have this prividge in our contries which allow us to play games for hours on end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ITS sad in some countries they got no food or housing, yet here we cry about stupid game affecting changes? For those of you complaining about the game, look around you. THE REAL WORLD IS THERE. Unfortunatly your so caught up in the game your failing to see that.</DIV>

[HollowMan11]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Espyderman wrote:<BR> <DIV>hello people. I wanted to post this cause ive seen a ton of peoiple saying LU13 will ruin their class and they will quit if it does.</DIV> <DIV>I have some statements for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are going to quit cause something changed and you didnt like it? Please take your CC and go home, cancel your account.</DIV> <DIV>If your complaining that you cant kite an epic, and can no longer solo group mobs and you dont want this change, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV>If your whining that your zerker isnt a naked axe toting dps'er and dont like the fact he is a tanking class with dps, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is these changes are coming, they will go live, and no amount of your whining will change that. you uberites need to realize gaming is a PRIVILEDGE. You pay for this priviledge and you dont control this priviledge. its liek driving a car, you allowed to drive your car within the rules of the road, you dont like the rules you dont drive.</DIV> <DIV>Same goes for gaming, you dont like the game or the changes, you dont play. The rest of us will enjoy the changes even tho they are severe and will come to accept them, like em or not. I wont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about them, i wont cry about SOE making changes, i will applaud them for taking a chance, and applaud them for DOING SOMETHING. Many companies do nothing and let their games die. SOE is making an effort and all you fanbois and uberites can do is whine and cry for these things NOT to happen, but on other developer forums people BEG them to update their game or fix their bugs and it falls on deaf ears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be thankful we still got support from SOE and be more thankful we have this prividge in our contries which allow us to play games for hours on end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ITS sad in some countries they got no food or housing, yet here we cry about stupid game affecting changes? For those of you complaining about the game, look around you. THE REAL WORLD IS THERE. Unfortunatly your so caught up in the game your failing to see that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>/agree</DIV>

[schrammy]

<P>whats CC ??</P> <P> </P> <P>lol</P>

[Sunfire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Espyderman wrote:<BR> <DIV>hello people. I wanted to post this cause ive seen a ton of peoiple saying LU13 will ruin their class and they will quit if it does.</DIV> <DIV>I have some statements for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are going to quit cause something changed and you didnt like it? Please take your CC and go home, cancel your account.</DIV> <DIV>If your complaining that you cant kite an epic, and can no longer solo group mobs and you dont want this change, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV>If your whining that your zerker isnt a naked axe toting dps'er and dont like the fact he is a tanking class with dps, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is these changes are coming, they will go live, and no amount of your whining will change that. you uberites need to realize gaming is a PRIVILEDGE. You pay for this priviledge and you dont control this priviledge. its liek driving a car, you allowed to drive your car within the rules of the road, you dont like the rules you dont drive.</DIV> <DIV>Same goes for gaming, you dont like the game or the changes, you dont play. The rest of us will enjoy the changes even tho they are severe and will come to accept them, like em or not. I wont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about them, i wont cry about SOE making changes, i will applaud them for taking a chance, and applaud them for DOING SOMETHING. Many companies do nothing and let their games die. SOE is making an effort and all you fanbois and uberites can do is whine and cry for these things NOT to happen, but on other developer forums people BEG them to update their game or fix their bugs and it falls on deaf ears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be thankful we still got support from SOE and be more thankful we have this prividge in our contries which allow us to play games for hours on end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ITS sad in some countries they got no food or housing, yet here we cry about stupid game affecting changes? For those of you complaining about the game, look around you. THE REAL WORLD IS THERE. Unfortunatly your so caught up in the game your failing to see that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Wow you're so ignorant reading your message made my eyes bleed.</P> <P>The FACT is that making this revamp was about the worst Dev Team decision in the history of MMOs.</P> <P>The FACT is that EQIIs active subscriptions have declined so much it isn't even near profitable now.</P> <P>The FACT is that if everyone continues to hate this pile of [wonderful changes] as much as everyone on the BETA server and TEST do then yes most of us will happily quit before we waste our money on an expansion which had TEN LEVELS, TEN ZONES, and A NEW RACE removed because of dev time dedicated to these totally unnecessary, completely unbalancing out of left field changes that could have been fixed in one simple patch.</P> <P>The FACT is that EQII is in real jeopardy - its barely staying alive with a declining population with only EQ-I and WOW to compete with.  Throw in DDO (now BETA 1) and Vanguard ( BETA 0) and you'll be playing by your smug little self by Christmas when everyone's 1-year subscriptions have run out and no one sees any reason to renew.</P>

[Blackdog183]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Espyderman wrote:<BR> <DIV>hello people. I wanted to post this cause ive seen a ton of peoiple saying LU13 will ruin their class and they will quit if it does.</DIV> <DIV>I have some statements for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are going to quit cause something changed and you didnt like it? Please take your CC and go home, cancel your account.</DIV> <DIV>If your complaining that you cant kite an epic, and can no longer solo group mobs and you dont want this change, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV>If your whining that your zerker isnt a naked axe toting dps'er and dont like the fact he is a tanking class with dps, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is these changes are coming, they will go live, and no amount of your whining will change that. you uberites need to realize gaming is a PRIVILEDGE. You pay for this priviledge and you dont control this priviledge. its liek driving a car, you allowed to drive your car within the rules of the road, you dont like the rules you dont drive.</DIV> <DIV>Same goes for gaming, you dont like the game or the changes, you dont play. The rest of us will enjoy the changes even tho they are severe and will come to accept them, like em or not. I wont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about them, i wont cry about SOE making changes, i will applaud them for taking a chance, and applaud them for DOING SOMETHING. Many companies do nothing and let their games die. SOE is making an effort and all you fanbois and uberites can do is whine and cry for these things NOT to happen, but on other developer forums people BEG them to update their game or fix their bugs and it falls on deaf ears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be thankful we still got support from SOE and be more thankful we have this prividge in our contries which allow us to play games for hours on end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ITS sad in some countries they got no food or housing, yet here we cry about stupid game affecting changes? For those of you complaining about the game, look around you. THE REAL WORLD IS THERE. Unfortunatly your so caught up in the game your failing to see that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>1. Use spellcheck, its your friend.</P> <P>2. I pay to play this game, its a service, and sorry I want my service my way, call me arrogant, but I think changing the entire foundation of the game this late after release= bad news.</P> <P>3. Let me guess your an Enchanter sage right....</P> <P>4. Fact is, its SoE's privilidge to provide a service/game that people pay to play, and if SoE manages to [Removed for Content] enough of em off, then yes they will take their CC and go home.</P> <P>5. I dont rember anyone posting "Please Devs nerf the [Removed for Content] outta my class and make me utterly useless" or anything of the sort, what I do remember is people posting for the devs to fix EXISTING bugs, not create 100's more by revamping the whole damned game.</P> <P>Guess what bub, your in the minority on this change, thats right the people that ARE FOR this change thus far are the minority, I know I didnt get level 50 SK, level 50 alchey to have both of my classes nerfed to hell and back, and one has been already, excuse some of us if we happen to think that minor changes would have worked better than reinventing the wheel.</P>

[Jak]

LOL, what is the "gaming is a priviledge" garbage. Gaming is a service.  Kinda like a haircut or a car wash.   It is either a successful or  unsuccessful service, depending on the willingness of the customers to pay for it.  Wake up man and smell the capitolism at work. This is one Troubador who will not be paying for continued service if Sony insists on making my toon a magebot. <div></div>

[Aristac]

<P>Dear Mr. Spider,</P> <P>People are not whinning. They have tried out the changes on the test servers and are giving SoE feedback. </P> <P>Customer Service 101 for dummies:</P> <P>Customers aren't given priveleges. Customers expect to get what they pay for. We are customers, not captives, and as such, we expect service and not a complete revamp and overhaul of our characters. We also expect SoE to listen to and respond to our feedback. That is how you keep customers happy.</P> <P>Class dismissed.</P> <P>Now for the reality:</P> <P>SoE will make these changes. </P> <P>For better or for worse, these changes will happen. You can adjust and keep playing or you can follow the masses and "take your cc and go play somewhere else". </P> <P>Brilliant!</P>

[Keegant]

<P>While I disagree with the OP in many ways, and think that SOE really needs to rethink what they are doing to chanters and Troubs, I wasnt inclined to post till I saw Sunfirell's FACT comments. </P> <P> </P> <P>I'm sorry but don't state somthing is a FACT, unless it IS a fact.  To review your FACTs</P> <P>It is nowhere near FACT that this revamp was a bad decision. I, and most others, think the changes are needed and very wise, and are good for the game.</P> <P>Yes it is a FACT that EQ2 subscriptions have declined. This is because the game is broke in its currents form, which SOE is trying to fix with these changes. I think they are doing a good job from what I read (other than with chanters and Troubs, like I said above).</P> <P>As for your 3rd supposed FACT. It is actually a FACT that most people that are ACTUALLY TESTING these changes, have said that they like them. There are exceptions, but you are saying that everyone hates them, while if you read all the posts you will see that most people actually like them. There are things for just about every class that people have said they don't like, but that is offset by the many more things people are saying that they like.</P> <P>As for your 4th FACT, I agree with you that EQ2 is in jepordy of not bieing the bigest MMO available, but that is more because the hardcores are still playing EQ1 and the kids and casuals are going to the uber easy WoW. I, for one, like neither of those games. I don't like many of the mechanics of EQ1 and I want to play a game with a bit of a challenge so that rules out WoW. I don't think the game is going to die, I just think it is not going to be the biggest MMO on the market, and if that keeps me away from the hords of teenies playing WoW, then that is fine with me.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SunfireII wrote:<BR> <P>Wow you're so ignorant reading your message made my eyes bleed.</P> <P>The FACT is that making this revamp was about the worst Dev Team decision in the history of MMOs.</P> <P>The FACT is that EQIIs active subscriptions have declined so much it isn't even near profitable now.</P> <P>The FACT is that if everyone continues to hate this pile of [wonderful changes] as much as everyone on the BETA server and TEST do then yes most of us will happily quit before we waste our money on an expansion which had TEN LEVELS, TEN ZONES, and A NEW RACE removed because of dev time dedicated to these totally unnecessary, completely unbalancing out of left field changes that could have been fixed in one simple patch.</P> <P>The FACT is that EQII is in real jeopardy - its barely staying alive with a declining population with only EQ-I and WOW to compete with.  Throw in DDO (now BETA 1) and Vanguard ( BETA 0) and you'll be playing by your smug little self by Christmas when everyone's 1-year subscriptions have run out and no one sees any reason to renew.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT size=7>THE TRUTH </FONT>about these FACTS is that NONE OF ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS ACTUALLY CORRECT BY ANY MEANS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The TRUTH is that you have not played every MMORPG that ever existed out there, and you wouldn't know if EQ2's developers have made the worst decision in MMO history.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The TRUTH is that EQ2's subscriptions are still going stronger than 300,000.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THE TRUTH is that EQ2's not in any jeopardy at all. It's still going strong. It's not in any danger of shut down anytime in the next 5-10 years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Voice your *OWN* oppinion. Do not try to speak for everyone and just assume that this is exactly how everyone else feels.</DIV>

[jkflipflop]

The OP in this thread has got to be the absolute epitome of stupidity.

[Dragonslapp]

<DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33><FONT size=7>"THE TRUTH </FONT>about these FACTS is that NONE OF ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS ACTUALLY CORRECT BY ANY MEANS.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>The TRUTH is that you have not played every MMORPG that ever existed out there, and you wouldn't know if EQ2's developers have made the worst decision in MMO history.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>The TRUTH is that EQ2's subscriptions are still going stronger than 300,000.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>THE TRUTH is that EQ2's not in any jeopardy at all. It's still going strong. It's not in any danger of shut down anytime in the next 5-10 years."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33> </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>   Exactly what MMO game are you playing? Take a long, hard look at EQ1. All them servers combined because of dwindling players. EQ2 started strong, but is headed downhill slowly right now. If they screw this "revamp" the might as well close down all but a few servers since they won't have enough players to fill em. [Removed for Content], your'e [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] right I am. Have been a loyal fan for EQ for over 7 years now and although it's very easy to reply, "Well, if you don't like it, take your CC elsewhere", that statement, in itself boggles my mind. Nevermind the money, and it has been alot, that has been spent playing the game. My time is alot more valuable to me. Since November of last year I have invested TIME in this game. TIME that I can't get back. So, even though I can go out and work more to make up my monetary losses, I cannot earn my TIME back. Don't screw up my investment in TIME SOE or you can add me to the long list of folks headed elsewhere with our CC's.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>Voice your *OWN* oppinion. Do not try to speak for everyone and just assume that this is exactly how everyone else feels"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>  </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>I am basing the disgust of the test server from everyone I have spoken that has tried out the "new" system. So, even though it is MY opinion, it appears to be shared by OTHERS as well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#99ff33>  </FONT></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Dragonslapper on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:41 AM</span>

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Espyderman wrote:<BR> <DIV>hello people. I wanted to post this cause ive seen a ton of peoiple saying LU13 will ruin their class and they will quit if it does.</DIV> <DIV>I have some statements for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are going to quit cause something changed and you didnt like it? Please take your CC and go home, cancel your account.</DIV> <DIV>If your complaining that you cant kite an epic, and can no longer solo group mobs and you dont want this change, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV>If your whining that your zerker isnt a naked axe toting dps'er and dont like the fact he is a tanking class with dps, take your CC and go home.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is these changes are coming, they will go live, and no amount of your whining will change that. you uberites need to realize gaming is a PRIVILEDGE. You pay for this priviledge and you dont control this priviledge. its liek driving a car, you allowed to drive your car within the rules of the road, you dont like the rules you dont drive.</DIV> <DIV>Same goes for gaming, you dont like the game or the changes, you dont play. The rest of us will enjoy the changes even tho they are severe and will come to accept them, like em or not. I wont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about them, i wont cry about SOE making changes, i will applaud them for taking a chance, and applaud them for DOING SOMETHING. Many companies do nothing and let their games die. SOE is making an effort and all you fanbois and uberites can do is whine and cry for these things NOT to happen, but on other developer forums people BEG them to update their game or fix their bugs and it falls on deaf ears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Be thankful we still got support from SOE and be more thankful we have this prividge in our contries which allow us to play games for hours on end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ITS sad in some countries they got no food or housing, yet here we cry about stupid game affecting changes? For those of you complaining about the game, look around you. THE REAL WORLD IS THERE. Unfortunatly your so caught up in the game your failing to see that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Lol what totally ignorant comment.  Do you know what a business is?  Sony Online Entertainment runs a business and its called Everquest2.  From any business point of view Sony should know that demands for a game is ran by the customers NOT by what sony puts out.  Sony makes these games to make a profit and any business plan that doesnt take consideration of its customer input is completely flawed.  We shouldnt be thankful we have sony support LOL.  Sony should be thankful there's it has persistant customers even through these changes.  Customer service, customer relations makes a company profit not what Sony puts out.  Do some more studies in business and management plans before you start making derogatory comments to Sony's customer's base.  Obviously if the customers are not happy there is a problem.</P> <P>Yeah sure you can say the opinions of these posters is only a fraction of the actual sample of the total customer base. But what is the rest of the customer base doing?  They are not saying anything and these people who are more outspoken than others can cause major problems by biasing future customers.  If you want a good healthy customer population you make changes based on what your customers want and not by what you perceive customers should like.  Of course there has to be some moderation on how much you give in to your customers needs, but from my understanding, Sony doesnt seem to listen on the majority part and does things accordingly to what it perceives customers should like.</P><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:18 AM</span>

[darasaild]

saying that you invested time in this game is true. i have invested time in this game also, and a few others  as well.  yesterday i invested time in watching 60 minuutes on tv. after it was done i didnt complaine to CBS ..."hey! my show is over! i invested time watching that and now its done! whaaa!"  when you logged on you "invested time in the game" but really a more accurate statement would be that you traded your time and some money for entertainment.   <div></div>

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darasaild wrote:<BR>saying that you invested time in this game is true. i have invested time in this game also, and a few others  as well.<BR> yesterday i invested time in watching 60 minuutes on tv. after it was done i didnt complaine to CBS ..."hey! my show is over! i invested time watching that and now its done! whaaa!"<BR> when you logged on you "invested time in the game" but really a more accurate statement would be that you traded your time and some money for entertainment.<BR> <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>investment?  I dont see anyone else talking about an investment here.  An investment is something you put in money so you get a profit or greater return out of it.  You can say you invested your time on TV but that totally isnt a true statement b/c you dont get money back watching tv.  Also you dont pay to watch CBS so your claims about investing on tv is wrong.  Unless you can find out how much your monetary value your time is and how much money you got out of it.  Also when you are playing EQ2 it is not an investment. You may be investing your time (which maybe millions of dollars from opportunity cost) but you are not investing in money since EQ2 is a service and according to the EULA you are not suppose to making monetary profit out of EQ2.  But anyways i see the point you are making, but it doesnt make sense.  You PAY to play EQ2 you dont PAY to watch TV.  Thats why you dont call into CBS and say you dont like the show and complain.  Sure you can do it with TV ratings and stuff but you dont call CBS directly b/c you're not a paying customer to CBS whereas for SoE you are directly paying for their game so you have a right as a customer to complain.<p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:08 AM</span>

[Vampy]

<DIV>I am so tired of fanboi post telling people to quit the game if they don't like it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I did not ask for these changes nor did my wife, I don't know anyone who is looking forward to them, I have the ability to play other games as I so desire and have  already quit one EQ game so if I should feel that the Devs ruined my gaming experience I will be outty (my decision, not at the original posters suggestion). I pay the game EQ2 and allow them the priviledge of serving me! Anyone who thinks otherwise is a misguided consumer and/or a fanboi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In many ways bad decisions have been made over the past 2 years by the sony people and I do not know why. They had, at one time, a near stranglehold on the genre and a rabid fanbase of huge size. That is long gone. EQ2 is by no means their best work in my opinion and I will be hovering my finger over the cancel button until I get a true understanding of the impending changes. I do not intend to pre-order the DOF until I am certain they haven't pulled another SWG revamp on us. That the changes come so close to a expansion is suspect in my opinion but I do give them points for being confident.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For me and my closest friends who play it is this simple: We have been playing since the beginning and feel that to change the way everything works now puts ALL our previous efforts at risk. If we do not like it then they LOSE the priviledge of cashing out checks (sure it is just 5 subscriptions but I doubt we are alone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/may your maturity blossem and your understandings grow</DIV> <DIV>/peace</DIV>

[darasaild]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Esar wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> darasaild wrote:saying that you invested time in this game is true. i have invested time in this game also, and a few others  as well. yesterday i invested time in watching 60 minuutes on tv. after it was done i didnt complaine to CBS ..."hey! my show is over! i invested time watching that and now its done! whaaa!" when you logged on you "invested time in the game" but really a more accurate statement would be that you traded your time and some money for entertainment.  <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>investment?  I dont see anyone else talking about an investment here.  An investment is something you put in money so you get a profit or greater return out of it.  You can say you invested your time on TV but that totally isnt a true statement b/c you dont get money back watching tv.  Also you dont pay to watch CBS so your claims about investing on tv is wrong.  Unless you can find out how much your monetary value your time is and how much money you got out of it.  Also when you are playing EQ2 it is not an investment. You may be investing your time (which maybe millions of dollars from opportunity cost) but you are not investing in money since EQ2 is a service and according to the EULA you are not suppose to making monetary profit out of EQ2.  But anyways i see the point you are making, but it doesnt make sense.  You PAY to play EQ2 you dont PAY to watch TV.  Thats why you dont call into CBS and say you dont like the show and complain.  Sure you can do it with TV ratings and stuff but you dont call CBS directly b/c you're not a paying customer to CBS whereas for SoE you are directly paying for their game so you have a right as a customer to complain.<p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">08-08-2005</span> <span class="time_text">04:08 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>i was responding to the post 2 up from mine, my point is that you dont really "invest" time in the game. your comments eloborated what i was trying to say. thank you.  the point was that you  are recieving a service when you play the game.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by darasaild on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:55 AM</span>

[Rene]

<P>After reading the orriginal post in this thread, a scene from a movie flashed through my mind like I was sitting there watching it.</P> <P>"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "</P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In Response to the "Investment" comments.. I disagree.  You are not investing time in watching TV, because beyond the 60 minutes you have no further expectations.  When a TV series is cancelled however, some people are upset.  People who did not invest the time, with the expectation of learning how everything panned out don't understand, and mostly dont care.  In Everquest you put in time with the hope of future rewards being "Even More Fun"  You can have fun along the way, but an investment does not need <U>financial</U> payoff to be considered an investment, merely some sort of return.  This idea of investing in a game is one of the reasons that MMOs are so popular.  You put in time and energy and your character gets better, and hopefully more fun to play, you can continue to play this character makign him better and better.</DIV> <DIV>         </DIV> <DIV>               Now There is also the idea of a Bad Investment, if all these changes go live some will feel that is what they made unfortunately.   I play a Fury and all of my changes have not gone to test yet, so I am withholding judgement on the "whole" until I see it.  In my opinion telling people they have no right to be upset; rather, they should be happy to be able to pay for the privledge of playing this game, is so ridiculous I almost can't believe someone said it.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Rene on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[KnightOfTheWo]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>SunfireII wrote: <blockquote> <hr></blockquote><p>Wow you're so ignorant reading your message made my eyes bleed.</p> <p>The FACT is that making this revamp was about the worst Dev Team decision in the history of MMOs.</p> <p>The FACT is that EQIIs active subscriptions have declined so much it isn't even near profitable now.</p> <p>The FACT is that if everyone continues to hate this pile of [wonderful changes] as much as everyone on the BETA server and TEST do then yes most of us will happily quit before we waste our money on an expansion which had TEN LEVELS, TEN ZONES, and A NEW RACE removed because of dev time dedicated to these totally unnecessary, completely unbalancing out of left field changes that could have been fixed in one simple patch.</p> <p>The FACT is that EQII is in real jeopardy - its barely staying alive with a declining population with only EQ-I and WOW to compete with.  Throw in DDO (now BETA 1) and Vanguard ( BETA 0) and you'll be playing by your smug little self by Christmas when everyone's 1-year subscriptions have run out and no one sees any reason to renew.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>The FACT is you might want to consider making a disclaimer that you are stating your OPINIONS as FACTS. The FACT is that EQ2 may stand or fall, but not because you have stated your OPINION about it's dev team or subscriptions...could you post some links to your FACTS about subscriptions and the 100% anti-change posts on the tester boards? The FACT is Vanguard, DDO and other games will have their own problems...and the FACT is you will complain about them too. My OPINION is...enjoy Vanguard! EDIT: Outstanding, the one-star troll stalker hit this message in less then 5 minutes! Keep those ratings going!!</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by KnightOfTheWord on <span class=date_text>08-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 PM</span>