copy chars over to test server

[n_botulenko]

<DIV>is there any way to get a copy of your main char over to the test server wile keeping it on its oringinal server aswell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if there is please tell me </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i would be intrested in playing on the test server but dont want to start from lvl 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[mn]

<DIV>umm no there is no way to copy a char from the live server it even says so in the test server faq</DIV>

[Manwe_Telperi]

Maybe exactly the reason so much [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] seems to get by the test server to live.  Why they don't allow it is still quite baffling to me.  If these game flaws are getting caught by test and its not a testing problem, then why are they still making it to live?

[n_botulenko]

<P>agreed </P> <P> </P> <P>if you were allowed to copy 1 char over to the test server (not move) there would be more people playing on the test server and there would be more people to say what is going wrong </P> <P> </P> <P>less bugs on the live release and better quality  in terms of updates</P>

[Fire&ice]

<P>The reasons for not allowing copies to test have been stated already many times...</P> <P>You guys can stop beating that poor dead horse :smileysad:</P>

[SalBlu]

I still dont understand why you cant copy.  When I played SWG I was allowed to make copies of my Jedi to the test servers at almost every big update.  It was a first come first serve thing.  The DEVs also started making copies of whole servers so that they could place the test update upon the test server, and allow people that play on the original server to uset their current player on Test.  It was a good system.  Not sure why they dont do it here.

[n_botulenko]

<DIV>Please do tell what the reasons are that they wont allow copys</DIV>

[Tockl]

<DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n_botulenko wrote:<BR> <DIV>Please do tell what the reasons are that they wont allow copys</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Cloning laws.<BR></DIV></DIV>

[Naginata]

<P>THe main reason is that the tet server is supposed to run just like any other server. They want a regular testing enviornment, not a preview the changes with no risk enviornemnt that the SWG system encourages.</P> <P>Second, the test server is not a debugging server, so saying that this is the reason that so many bugs get through is stupid, the test server is to test the next update and look for MAJOR problems that cause the game to be unstable IN A REGULAR ENVIORNMENT. Test center bug reports don't even get seperated from regular server bug reports.</P> <P>Third, they want testers not idiots who want to learn the l33t strats early. The way they have it set up the people on test actually test.</P> <P>SO, if you want to play test, play test.</P>

[furydruid]

Currently, there is no way to even transfer (not copy) to Test.  You want to play on Test, you need start all over, like it was launch day again.  I think another round of transfers should be offered, or at least the option to move to Test as part of the normal server transfers ... even if they still make you pay the $50. <div></div>

[Knightrid]

<DIV>What is posted above is not entirely true.  You can in fact get copied to test if you're the Dev's favorite step-children.  There are quite a few guilds that get copied to test on a regular basis (Fires of Heaven and Ardent Legion are the 2 that do it most frequently that I know of).  Obviously this isn't being done enough.  There are still countless bugs when new material is released, and I think a new system should be implemented so that others can have a chance to get copied.  The guild I"m in is no slacking guild (we've killed everything in the game except Brutal Acts of War), and I'm sure many of us would love to get copied to test to help work out some bugs.  I guess we just don't get as much love as a few "special" guilds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heisenberg 50 Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Dirac 50 Warlock</DIV> <DIV>Iniquity-Oasis</DIV>

[Naginata]

Your guild doesn't have a 5+ year relationship with the Sen producer. Sadly you can learn a lot about what is coming up for EQ2 by going to what is now a WoW fansite with a small group that plays EQ2.

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n_botulenko wrote:<BR> <DIV>is there any way to get a copy of your main char over to the test server wile keeping it on its oringinal server aswell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if there is please tell me </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i would be intrested in playing on the test server but dont want to start from lvl 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For the love of Tunare.  People complain about how *easy* it is to level in EQ2, then complain how hard it is to level another character for the test server.  You know what? Test has an additional 50% leveling bonus on top of the vitality bonus.</P> <P>In two and a half months or so of living on test, I have a 29 guard/31 armorer, 24 mystic/20 tailor, 25 summoner/25 alchie, 17 predator/21 woodworker and a 16 crusader/now training for sage.</P> <P>The 'copy characters to test' topics are getting old.  Like Fire&Ice said, let the poor dead horse RIP.</P>

[n_botulenko]

<P align=left>Oh I am incredibly sorry some people tend to have real lives and have to work not like you <SPAN>Sunrayn </SPAN></P> <P align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P align=left><SPAN>Some times leveling another character is not something that some people have time for that is why copying over a char for the people who have end game characters would be useful to test out all the new high level stuff they try to add</SPAN></P> <P align=left><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P align=left><SPAN>Get rid of the bugs on the “TEST” server as apposed to go to the Live (phase 2 Test server) Servers</SPAN></P>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n_botulenko wrote:<BR> <P align=left>Oh I am incredibly sorry some people tend to have real lives and have to work not like you <SPAN>Sunrayn </SPAN></P> <P align=left></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Naaa...not worth stooping to your level....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I did one-star you for a personal attack.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sun (who is 41yrs old and works 12hrs a day, 5 days a week)</DIV>

[Fire&ice]

<P>/shrug... I work 40hrs a week and go out sometimes on weekends and such...</P> <P>I have 7 characters at this point between lvl 12 and lvl 45...</P> <P>12 brawler, 20 SK, 23 Warden, 28 Conjuror, 28 Warlock/16 Scholar, 40 Wizard/20 Armorer, 45 Mystic/25 Woodworker</P> <P>As you can see I do more adventuring than crafting, but hey I am an alt junky and love learning to play different classes  :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>*If it matters I am 25 and 2months pregnant on top of it :smileywink: *</P>

[carling1]

<P>Guys i have to agree with the people who would like to make a copy of theyre chars on test server, ive played on test server and have to say its a lonely place there were on average 54-90 players on there max when i played and most were low level toons just trying it out, so personally i dont see how a low level char could even see what has been changed in test or even have the ability to even venture to area's that have been modified or changed and any guild changes could never really be tested with hardly no guilds on there.</P> <P>most of the time on test your are playing solo so how could you possibly know if a group buff from another char which they have chnaged is gonna pop you through the world or not, all im saying is a lot more people would play test if they had a version of they're character on there which would give a broader view of what is right and what is messed up.</P> <P>having a couple of hundred opinions on patch has to be much better than at best a 100.</P> <P> </P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Knightrider wrote:<BR> <DIV>What is posted above is not entirely true.  You can in fact get copied to test if you're the Dev's favorite step-children.  There are quite a few guilds that get copied to test on a regular basis (Fires of Heaven and Ardent Legion are the 2 that do it most frequently that I know of).  Obviously this isn't being done enough.  There are still countless bugs when new material is released, and I think a new system should be implemented so that others can have a chance to get copied.  The guild I"m in is no slacking guild (we've killed everything in the game except Brutal Acts of War), and I'm sure many of us would love to get copied to test to help work out some bugs.  I guess we just don't get as much love as a few "special" guilds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heisenberg 50 Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Dirac 50 Warlock</DIV> <DIV>Iniquity-Oasis <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>LoL.</P> <P>I always wait for the post like this to show up when test server issues are brought up.<BR></P>

[Evadne]

Special?  Does that mean they get to ride the short bus? Dangit, that just isn't right. /taunt Noah(xxx) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Truth is, if you want to be a part of the Test process, play on test.  Make a new character.....all kinds of magical things can happen along the way.  Some might call that special priveledges, special treatment.  Whatever.  Thankfully the devs do utilize these guilds for testing, all of us should be grateful rather than spiteful and jealous. ~Eva Fhir Rhuen Test <div></div>

[Fire&ice]

<DIV>I always though they rode the short bus Eva :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/nod</DIV>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fire&ice wrote:<BR> <DIV>I always though they rode the short bus Eva :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/nod</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Awww crud.  You mean to tell me they get to ride a BUS?!?</P> <P>/mutters I bet they get pencils without the erasers chewed off too....</P>

[Malack]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Knightrider wrote:<BR> <DIV>What is posted above is not entirely true.  You can in fact get copied to test if you're the Dev's favorite step-children.  There are quite a few guilds that get copied to test on a regular basis (Fires of Heaven and Ardent Legion are the 2 that do it most frequently that I know of).  Obviously this isn't being done enough.  There are still countless bugs when new material is released, and I think a new system should be implemented so that others can have a chance to get copied.  The guild I"m in is no slacking guild (we've killed everything in the game except Brutal Acts of War), and I'm sure many of us would love to get copied to test to help work out some bugs.  I guess we just don't get as much love as a few "special" guilds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heisenberg 50 Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Dirac 50 Warlock</DIV> <DIV>Iniquity-Oasis</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>This reads like: "We're as uber as those other guilds and we deserve to be special too!!" Bet you wouldn't mind if they added just one more guild to the "special guilds" list, namely yours.</DIV>

[Manwe_Telperi]

<P>Get real people!</P> <P>Who cares who gets what, who likes who and all that other garbage.</P> <P> </P> <P>I want the game to be fixed and fixed right.  I expect a product I pay for to work properly.  The only way a game such as this becomes as bug free as possible before its released to the paying public is testing.  The more people testing the more likely it is these stupid bugs are caught before I see them on a live server.  Not allowing characters to be copied over to test is moronic at best and is evidenced by the terribly flawed live updates that we as players have become accustomed to.</P> <P>You can repeat all the hogwash bs reasons the devs push as to why copying characters to test is not allowed but you are doing so mindlessly.  I have yet to see a valid reason why.  Lets remember something here, testing for SoE is doing them a favor.  I have no inclination to start a new character on a test server so I can work for free for Sony, I already feel like a paying beta tester on the live server.  If they allowed me to copy a character I would consider it.  I am quite sure that is why test population is so low and so many errors get submitted to live servers.  </P> <P>Carry on</P>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manwe_Telperion wrote:<BR> <P>Get real people!</P> <P>Who cares who gets what, who likes who and all that other garbage.</P> <P> </P> <P>I want the game to be fixed and fixed right.  I expect a product I pay for to work properly.  The only way a game such as this becomes as bug free as possible before its released to the paying public is testing.  The more people testing the more likely it is these stupid bugs are caught before I see them on a live server.  Not allowing characters to be copied over to test is moronic at best and is evidenced by the terribly flawed live updates that we as players have become accustomed to.</P> <P>You can repeat all the hogwash bs reasons the devs push as to why copying characters to test is not allowed but you are doing so mindlessly.  I have yet to see a valid reason why.  Lets remember something here, testing for SoE is doing them a favor.  I have no inclination to start a new character on a test server so I can work for free for Sony, I already feel like a paying beta tester on the live server.  If they allowed me to copy a character I would consider it.  I am quite sure that is why test population is so low and so many errors get submitted to live servers.  </P> <P>Carry on</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yep, you want this fixed and you want that fixed and you are tired of having bugs get through to live but, instead of being part of the solution within the framework that is set up for playing on test, you would much rather complain and blame others.</P> <P>Seriously, how much testing would you do in all level ranges with your level 45 or 50 character?  I havent seen one single post where someone asks to have their level 20 or level 30 character copied over, the only posts I have seen are the ones asking for their level 45-50 character to be copied over.<BR></P>

[Naginata]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manwe_Telperion wrote:<BR> <P>Get real people!</P> <P>Who cares who gets what, who likes who and all that other garbage.</P> <P> </P> <P>I want the game to be fixed and fixed right.  I expect a product I pay for to work properly.  The only way a game such as this becomes as bug free as possible before its released to the paying public is testing.  The more people testing the more likely it is these stupid bugs are caught before I see them on a live server.  Not allowing characters to be copied over to test is moronic at best and is evidenced by the terribly flawed live updates that we as players have become accustomed to.</P> <P>You can repeat all the hogwash bs reasons the devs push as to why copying characters to test is not allowed but you are doing so mindlessly.  I have yet to see a valid reason why.  Lets remember something here, testing for SoE is doing them a favor.  I have no inclination to start a new character on a test server so I can work for free for Sony, I already feel like a paying beta tester on the live server.  If they allowed me to copy a character I would consider it.  I am quite sure that is why test population is so low and so many errors get submitted to live servers.  </P> <P>Carry on</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, since you don't understand the point of the test server at all and from this silly little rant, you shouldn't be on te test server.</P> <P>I played some on the EQ1 test but have never played on the EQ2 one. The test servers are full of people who want to help, are not whiners, who love the game and want to contribute. They don't want you there.</P> <P>Lots of people post whines about how they hate the people who play or they want an 18+ server or a mture server or whatever. TEST SERVER IS THAT SERVER!<BR></P>

[Fire&ice]

<P>I have to agree with the 2 people above me...</P> <P>Also the whole "not catching the bugs" argument try again...the Test server catches more bugs than you know, however just because we report them and all doesn't mean they get fixed right away. It may be decided that well that bug is not really that bad or as important as another so the devs put off the fix until an update or two later... We don't have control of what the Devs do with our reports, but we know we are catching stuff that is out there. So just drop it /shrug. They have stated time and again they won't be allowing you to randomly copy your character over when you feel like it just so you can see a preview of what is coming. If you want to help, do like the rest of us and make a character and work your way up :smileyvery-happy: If not, then don't complain about something you don't want to help with /shrug</P> <P>Now let the poor dead horse rest... /sigh :smileysad:</P>

[Manwe_Telperi]

<DIV>Quote:  "The test servers are full of people who want to help, are not whiners, who love the game and want to contribute. They don't want you there."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't have the time to be on test, my post is not a request to get my character onto test but to get those who can afford the time onto test.  Nice smart [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] statement though, thanks.  My issue is with the one word "full" in your statement.  I don't believe the test server is anywhere near "full".  That's the problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quote:  "Well, since you don't understand the point of the test server at all and from this silly little rant, you shouldn't be on te test server"  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually I understand fully the point of a test server but also play on a live server and see lots of things that should never make it to live.  The blame......has to be in some phase of testing or in the implementation.   Since the test server is not brimming with people the first thing that comes to mind is that there are not enough people testing to do the job propperly, period.   So, you can sit there with your thumb up your proverbial butt and accept that fact, or you can do as I am doing and ask why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quote: "Also the whole "not catching the bugs" argument try again...the Test server catches more bugs than you know, however just because we report them and all doesn't mean they get fixed right away"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am quite sure people on Test catch lots of mistakes, I am also quite sure that lots get past them.  The question remains, would it be better to have 500 people testing or 5000?  I really believe the more people doing this work, the more that will get caught.  Goes right back to my original question, why not allow people to copy, that way you would get lots more people doing this testing.  I know, I know the reasons have been stated.  Well hogwash, the reasons I have read are not adequate nor are they in the best interest of the game.  I have yet to see a dev post a reason for this that I could swallow.  Instead of just regurgitating said statements from devs like little robots, use your brain and tell me what copying characters could possibly hurt.  Let people do temp copies, for a week at a time them delete them from the server if you want but get more people testing!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quote:  "If you want to help, do like the rest of us and make a character and work your way up <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0> If not, then don't complain about something you don't want to help with /shrug"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for reminding me that even though I pay to play this game, payed to get it in the first place and have tons of time invested in it, I have no right to complain that each update is full of gobbly [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] that should never have made it past test.  Please explain to me what I need to work my way up to, and why?  Is this political or is it just the fact that you seem to live on test and it would make you cry if they allowed people to copy higher level characters to test than you have.  Waaa why do they get that and I don't?  Forget the fact that it might not be good for you but infact might be good for the game.  Maybe thats alot of the problem with the current implementation of the Test server.  Maybe that implementation needs adjusting or revamping.  Obviously the system being used is not working as each LU has been full of bugs.  Game flaws that a paying customer should not have to endure.  A game that still has not made it out of beta as far as most are concerned.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets keep the status quo even though the evidence of its failure is obvious to thousands of late SOE customers.  Instead of considering other people's ideas, lets tar and feather them and run them out of town on a rail.  Yes, lets do that shall we?</DIV> <DIV>You see, I play this game because I love it.  I care about it's future.  I want to see the game grow and succeed othwerwise I wasted alot of time playing it.  I am tired of seeing people that I know leave the game because they refuse to pay to beta test this product.  Strike me down for caring enough to spend my time reading this forum and trying to make helpful suggestions by way of posting.  Blasphemer!  How could I disagree with SoE devs!!!!  How could I?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fire&ice]

<DIV>Manwe...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Test is not a "preview" server and so won't be treated as that. If they allow copies then people (maybe not you) will just copy their character to see what is coming and get information before it hits live, less testing would get done this way. They need this to be a working version of a server to see how an update would affect the live servers...we don't have copies to the live servers why are they going to do it on Test?  Also it has been stated before that just allowing the copies could cause bugs in and of it self or the actual live update being patched to live servers can cause new bugs that were never even on the Test server. :smileymad: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Besides it doesn't matter if you have 100 or 10,000 people doing this the more people there are the more the devs will have to search thru to get the geniune reports and fix the problems. Unfortunately copying will allow people to come and find bugs that give them an advantage (again maybe not you) and instead of reporting them will wait for them to slip by and hit live and use them to their own means (that was another reason)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So please just drop it. SOE has said they won't be allowing the copies and they are sticking to it.  /shrug  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Fire&ice on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:42 AM</span>

[n_botulenko]

<P><SPAN><FONT size=2>Ok all you on the test server brace your selves for this </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>You ready</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>YOU’RE ON A       T  E  S  T        SERVER</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>Not a live server that means you’re on a server that could be reset readjusted and revamped to the companies likening </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>The whole point of a test server started with ever quest 1 </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>It was meant to test out new stuff coming to the live servers</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>The test servers are a 2nd rate server they were created for balancing and bug testing and not really meant to live on them</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>If Sony wanted to release a new zone they could take all you 50 level characters back down to 20 to test this new zone </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>TEST :  to make a preliminary test or survey (as of reaction or interest) before embarking on a course of action (came out of a dictionary)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>Hence the reason why they have test servers</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>if they allowed people to copy there endgame characters over they would also have a complete testing of the end game additions they add to the game so will cause less down time on live servers also allow the live servers to be more stable</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>Test server: a server meant for testing updates and new features before moving over to the live servers</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>Live Server: a server meant to be secure and stable</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by n_botulenko on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:19 AM</span>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n_botulenko wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>The test servers are a 2nd rate server they were created for balancing and bug testing and not really meant to live on them</FONT></SPAN></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Congratulations, you are WRONG!!!<BR>

[Pins]

I'm still confused as to why they haven't offered the choice to MOVE, not copy, your character to test, to start testing.  Sure you'd be missing the first 50 levels of testing, but you'd be on the test server, testing stuff for them.  And you'd not have your character copied, so you could bugger off to the normal server again.  But really, lets bring back the choice of having a MOVE to test again. <div></div>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n_botulenko wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2>if they allowed people to copy there endgame characters over they would also have a complete testing of the end game additions they add to the game so will cause less down time on live servers also allow the live servers to be more stable</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by n_botulenko on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:19 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>And there it is.  To hell with all content for levels 1-49, you only want to test the end game stuff, if that is fixed, you will be happy and you would stop complaining and begging to have your character copied over to test.</DIV>

[WuphonsReach]

<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:I'm still confused as to why they haven't offered the choice to MOVE, not copy, your character to test, to start testing. Sure you'd be missing the first 50 levels of testing, but you'd be on the test server, testing stuff for them. And you'd not have your character copied, so you could bugger off to the normal server again. But really, lets bring back the choice of having a MOVE to test again. <div></div><hr></blockquote>There was an initial set of moves offered back in the early Spring when they opened up the Test server. (Which is where a lot of folks got started.) We've asked them to open up another round of /movelogs, but a bit of thinking about the /movelog system might explain why it hasn't happened yet.The current /movelog system is very simple-minded. It's seemingly designed for "mass" transfers. The only options for the /movelog command are "add" (to add a character to the queue) and "remove". So, they announce that anyone who adds themselves to the queue during a certain time window will be moved to "Server Y". Then, when the time window ends, they process the moves for everyone at the same time and move them all to the same destination server.So, in order to offer a /movelog off of a particular server, there needs to be no other /movelogs in-progress during that same timeframe on that server. Looking through the past few months of announced movelogs, most of the calendar has been eaten up with the new European servers and the Station Exchange servers. So there really hasn't been anywhere they could fit a mass /movelog offering into the schedule.I'm sure some of you will now bring up the paid transfers which can be done at almost anytime. I can't give you a good reason why they would not allow paid transfers to Test (do they? don't they?). One theory (and this may also explain why they haven't done a 2nd /movelog) is that because the Test server resides on it's own little "island" (different login server, different server to track account information, etc.), there may be no automated method in place for doing transfers. The rumors that I've heard indicate that there is no streamlined process for moving/copying toons from live to Test. In addition, it sounded like there were numerous manual labor steps involved and that it eats up a lot of time to process these character copies/moves.

[Styk]

Lets keep it real now, I understand the whole arguement about the test server being an actual community etc , but if i can log on to test now for several days now at least 5-6 times in 2 hour intervals and i can only find at best 3 berserkers on at any given time on test can you truly tell me that all things of  say the berserker class are being tested? At least for the month of august you should allow people to be able to copy to test server to test the combat changes. I for one would actually test ALL 20-50 berserker CA/buffs meaning i would mentor down and do extensive testing on each lvl if there was people to mentor down to...... SoE this is ample time to get most of the combat changes tested exstensively , Pls Full time members of the TEST server dont take my comments as any kind of insult because that is not what im trying to do, i just want the combat changes to be fully tested, because with them launching the expansion and combat revamp on the same day, i would like to see minimal downtime as possible ( thou highly likely it will happen anyways ) PLS SONY, HEAR THIS CALL lets not get into petty arguements about being a "true tester" or not, i just want the revamp to go smooth and i would like to help ( pls dont give me the make a toon arguement because ive been trying but if i cant even fight because im being lagged out serverside then that is pointless ,also for efficency why make another toon an attempt to lvl them if i only want to test the combat changes..... it would be alot more efficent if i had my 50 zerker there and i can test from 20 up via mentoring ) Thanks for listening <div></div>

[Fepp]

<span><blockquote><hr>Naginataka wrote:<p>THe main reason is that the tet server is supposed to run just like any other server.</p><div></div><hr></blockquote>Would that not mean having a proper population on it? </span><div></div>

[eqlover]

<div></div>The test server is a beta client for newer content, we have it so players brave enough to crash their computers for our enjoyment, test unstable projects and patches so they can comment SoE, who will then fix the problem, after enough testing/refining, the patches come to the Live server. That is how it works, reason you cannot copy characters over is because it is as if Beta is a different game completely- Let's say Everquest 2 is in it's 1.0.45 stage (I dunno, just making it all up at this point) and the test server will always be in stage 1.0.46b(not always, what I mean is it will always be the beta of the next stage <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )  You cannot transfer a version 1.0.45 character to a 1.0.46b server (or vice versa) it jus't isn't compatible. <div></div><p>Message Edited by eqlover11 on <span class=date_text>08-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:50 AM</span>

[WolfySi]

Well, I would have liked to help test the combat changes, but even with a 50% XP bonus, it would still take several months before I could get a toon to 50ish. I think the combat changes will be in prod by then.If the biggest reason to disallow copies to test is the problems of cloning, you could send me over with only the gear I'm waring -- marking it all notrade / novalue and only the amount of gold that I'm willing to take with me on a 1-way trip.I'd pop over with 50 gold, buy (or make) some bags, buy some water, and be ready to go, no cloning.But I -- like many of the folks here -- spend enough time leveling 1 toon. I won't be able to level a second one.

[Daga]

<DIV>Maybe they should open a debug server.  Characters copied over are deleted daily.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only for the major changes this one represents.</DIV>

[Daffid011]

<span><blockquote><hr>Styker wrote:but if i can log on to test now for several days now at least 5-6 times in 2 hour intervals and i can only find at best 3 berserkers on at any given time on test can you truly tell me that all things of  say the berserker class are being tested? <div></div><hr></blockquote>You do know there is another whole server already filled with copies testing also right?  Please don't judge the entire testing process by your quick accounting of the server. Thanks. </span><div></div>

[Styk]

if that is the case Fekkin then why is it in the 9 months this game has been live NOT ONCE have i seen any actual feedback from zerkers on test except from you ?  If there is another server filled then i guess they must be lazy to post huh ? *note* there has been numerous posts in the past on various issues asking for zerker on test to feedback and never got an answer? Answer that for me pls <div></div>

[Svan]

maybe you missed it Styker, but i did a few months ago before i stopped playing for a while.

[curtlewis]

<div></div>Sorry, I'm not going to spend 30+ hours a week for 4 months to get a level 50 character on TEST just to help them iron out bugs it's THEIR job to find.  I'd be more than happy to help test (I do QA professionally), but I'm not willing to devote that much time to a character on a pretty much meaningless server.  Sorry.  Not gonna happen.  They could quintuple the xp and I still wouldn't do it. Lemme clone myself over and I'll be happy to test for them, but even so... in a month or so, the clone would fall WAY behind.  But at least it'd be able to use most of the spells, go to most of the zones, etc... There's absolutely no value to me or them for me to fire up a lvl 1 for 3 weeks of casual play for maybe 6 hours a week.  No one CARES about the balance between a level 7 warlock and a level 7 wizard. <div></div><p>Message Edited by curtlewis on <span class=date_text>08-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:32 PM</span>

[Daffid011]

<span><blockquote><hr>Styker wrote:if that is the case Fekkin then why is it in the 9 months this game has been live NOT ONCE have i seen any actual feedback from zerkers on test except from you ?  If there is another server filled then i guess they must be lazy to post huh ? *note* there has been numerous posts in the past on various issues asking for zerker on test to feedback and never got an answer? Answer that for me pls <div></div><hr></blockquote>There is a HUGE difference between testing and posting here.  If you must know why there are so few test player posts I will gladly tell you.  1) These forums are over-run by non test players and the signal to noise ratio makes posting feedback to the devs here useless.  Most testers don't even waste time here anymore. 2) We have private forums, ingame feedback and a live liason.   That is all the tools a tester really needs to be honest. This forum is not designed for you to demand feedback from test server players.  </span><div></div>

[Carroth]

<DIV>Alright... My 2 copper input here..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is the long awaited, very anticipated combat abilities revamp... Rumors have been flying on the live servers about how SOE developers are going to finally make the amount of coin, or time invested in finding a rare worth the effort over the dime a dozen adept 1's..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can understand the time it took to undergo this massive effort. My main Character is a level 50 sage, and the number of priest/ mage spells is mind boggling.. Toss in the other classes, and you have close to 3000 spells you have to discuss, and re-code..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, that LU 13 is on test server.. And given the low population of this server.. Might I suggest that the Developers help along testing of these abilities, by Oh.. Mabbie by creating a few characters in trader mode for each city with decently priced revamped adept 1, adept 3, and Master 1 spells avail for sale/ comparison?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No way in hell that you are going to get decent pre-live server feedback unless you clone several players, or simultate a very active crafter, raiding enviroment..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carroth</DIV> <DIV>(Test server N00b) 50 sage, 50 Wizzy (Crushbone Server)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fepp]

Or even to protect the "community" feel on the test servers they could make a new server, which they would allow us to copy characters over.  They could wipe the characters to remove the use of "abusing" the servers as they put it. If they do this... I'd love to see the new server called "Test Server (Kamino)" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Miller]

<DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99>"Can I have my existing characters copied over for play on Test?<BR></FONT></STRONG>No. Characters on the Test server will be starting fresh. However, there may be times when the dev team copies over characters from the standard servers to help test specific features."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like to have my 50 Zerker Moved to test server. Even if was for asmall time so I could test the new combat moves and tell others about them. it says no but as stated above there are some occasions that there will be a copy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Miller </DIV> <DIV>50 Berserker Of Najena</DIV></DIV>

[Fire&ice]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miller82 wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99>"Can I have my existing characters copied over for play on Test?<BR></FONT></STRONG>No. Characters on the Test server will be starting fresh. However, there may be times when the dev team copies over characters from the standard servers to help test specific features."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like to have my 50 Zerker Moved to test server. Even if was for asmall time so I could test the new combat moves and tell others about them. it says no but as stated above there are some occasions that there will be a copy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Miller </DIV> <DIV>50 Berserker Of Najena</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They have copies testing mostly 45+ on the DoF Beta server and also have all of the Test server testing these changes. I would say there is more than enough testing going on. They aren't going to copy a bunch of people or allow random copies over to Test server. Sorry guys it isn't gonna happen :smileyindifferent:

[lichmeister]

i think we should get a 1-time promotional  character copy to test server... the reasons i have hav likely been stated 20 times at least by now so i'll just add my voice to the chorus in harmony <div></div>

[carling1]

<DIV>Just read up on the topic of no one ever asks for a level 20 or 30 char to be copied over only theyre level 50 chars i have to ask why u stated this there is absolutely nothing that a level 50 char couldnt test compared to a lower level char, my main may be 50 but he still has the ability to cast all the spells and combat arts he had at level 3</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point being that a test server is basically for test its not really a place to live or have a community on its there for testing purposes and the more people u could have testing on there the better, on average i know most people wouldnt test unless they could do it say in downtime on they're normal servers, just the fact of being able to copy a char over would make that odd hour they have able to test much more efficient than spending that hour trying to level a char rather than reading the test notes trying the things out and giving feedback.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and the point made about having more players would fill up the forums with rubbish, now thats pointless surely as a tester u know u have the /bug report and thats what its there for if u want it to get to them thats the way not spamming on forums.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyway just thought id have my say.</DIV>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> carling1 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just read up on the topic of no one ever asks for a level 20 or 30 char to be copied over only theyre level 50 chars i have to ask why u stated this there is absolutely nothing that a level 50 char couldnt test compared to a lower level char, my main may be 50 but he still has the ability to cast all the spells and combat arts he had at level 3</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You seriously going to use your level 3 arts and spells on a level 49 mob?  Yep, that will be useful wont it?  Or maybe your level 50 character will use those  level 11 spells on a level 10 mob?  Yup, lots of useful information would be gained there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>C'mon, *think*</DIV>

[carling1]

Man this world is full of [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]s the idea mainly is that they work u plum ffs read the post before u try and be cocky with a reply

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> carling1 wrote:<BR>Man this world is full of [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]s <STRONG>the idea mainly is that they work</STRONG> u plum ffs read the post before u try and be cocky with a reply <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>If that is your idea of testing, allowing you to copy your character to test would be a *bad thing* </DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> carling1 wrote:<BR> u plum<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>rofl</P>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Svanny wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> carling1 wrote:<BR> u plum<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>rofl</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That was funny? I must be old, you will have to explain the humor there.<BR>

[Blackdog183]

<P>There should be a test COPY function for one char on each account, I know I would copy my level 50 SK/50 alchey main over to test so that I can /bug the high end content.  As it stands now the reasons that all these damned bugs get thru is the lack of proper QA done on live updates.  If the population was larger, and the devs ACTUALLY listened to the playes, I dont think such a huge problem would make it to live servers.</P> <P>Why should I, the PAYING customer have to leave my guild, my friends, my server to go and test the high end content of YOUR PRODUCT sony.  I also shouldnt have to grind another 100 levels(50 crafting and 50 adventure) just to try and make shure that content is working right for my Live server main.  The lack of copying, or at least setting up a sandbox server for temp copying before live updates is <A href="mailto:horse!@#$" target=_blank>horse!@#$</A>.</P> <P>Thank  you for your lack of customer service sony!  Great job you guys are doing down there, I swear they should hire someone to walk around with a plastic whiffle bat labled "COMMON SENSE" and beat the devs about the head with it when they do dumb  <A href="mailto:!@#$" target=_blank>!@#$</A> like this.</P>

[ke'la]

<P>You know I have played on though "Copied" servers as well as "public Beta" servers of coming changes both on SWG the Public Beta had "Blue Frogs" that gave your toon Inta lvls and such for the Perpose of getting your toons to the High end content. Guess what happened... IT WAS AN ABJECT FAULER basicly it went like this... Toon Blue frogs his toon... Toon Spams Duel me... Toon Duels (right next to the blue frog and New toon spawn point) causing MASSIVE LAG... toon then rerolls a new template(rinse and repeat). VERY little accuall testing went on infact the ONLY reason they even did this was to "LOAD TEST" the servers... basicly see how many people they can get into one area befor the server explodied, Because they KNEW that copied players are NOT dedicated or even marganal testers there just people that want to see the new content first with no effert. </P>

[Blackdog183]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ke'la wrote:<BR> <P>You know I have played on though "Copied" servers as well as "public Beta" servers of coming changes both on SWG the Public Beta had "Blue Frogs" that gave your toon Inta lvls and such for the Perpose of getting your toons to the High end content. Guess what happened... IT WAS AN ABJECT FAULER basicly it went like this... Toon Blue frogs his toon... Toon Spams Duel me... Toon Duels (right next to the blue frog and New toon spawn point) causing MASSIVE LAG... toon then rerolls a new template(rinse and repeat). VERY little accuall testing went on infact the ONLY reason they even did this was to "LOAD TEST" the servers... basicly see how many people they can get into one area befor the server explodied, Because they KNEW that copied players are NOT dedicated or even marganal testers there just people that want to see the new content first with no effert. </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have 2 words for you: SPELL CHECK</P> <P>Load testing the servers wouldnt be a bad idea either, and BTW I was a tester for SWG, and know all to well what happened, I also know that their closed sandbox testing went very well, they just didnt listen to the testers(I was one of them) about what was wrong.</P>

[Knightrid]

<P>I'm sorry if I insulted anyone by my post Gage...  I honestly did not mean to do so.  I'm just a little perturbed that the same guilds constantly get copied over because of whatever reason.  I and I'm sure most of my guild would absolutely love to get copied, test the new content, and give some good feedback on the changes currently in test.  My guild has now completed Brutal Acts of War which leaves 0 encounters for us to do.  (Some of the currently copied guilds have not killed everything as far as I'm aware.)  If you have any suggestions on how to get yourself copied to test/beta please let us all know.  I'm sure it would be much appreciated.  </P> <P>I don't want to sound like an elitist either.  I believe anyone should be able to get a copy to test (like SWG).  Save a special server for those guilds that SOE wants to test and wants them to test specific aspects of the game.  Surely 4-5 guilds cannot test everything there is to test.  You need a lot more people especially with a huge expansion and combat revamp coming out at the same time.  Don't be surprised if things don't run smoothly for the first few days.  I hope they do, but don't be surprised.</P> <P>Heisenberg 50 Guardian</P> <P>Dirac 50 Warlock</P> <P>Inquity-Oasis</P><p>Message Edited by Knightrider on <span class=date_text>08-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:24 PM</span>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Sunrayn wrote: <P>That was funny? I must be old, you will have to explain the humor there.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>he/she was just trying to use such strong language and then called you a plum, that just strikes me as humorous.</DIV>

[Sunrayn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Svanny wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Sunrayn wrote: <P>That was funny? I must be old, you will have to explain the humor there.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>he/she was just trying to use such strong language and then called you a plum, that just strikes me as humorous.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>hehe, thought maybe it was some new teen language.  I always thought I was more of a grapefruit, an aquired taste.

[nvrpost]

On permafrost, FoH has inflated the price of the spells they found useful or anticipated to be useful after testing the combat revamp.  They do test live stuff fairly well too and report the bugs while they continue farming the mobs w/ exploit tactics that would be exploit if the devs anticipated it.  Can't get enough of them on the boards?  Come to perma, If you dont know L337 you'll need a translator to join them.  <div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nvrpost wrote:<BR>On permafrost, FoH has inflated the price of the spells they found useful or anticipated to be useful after testing the combat revamp.  They do test live stuff fairly well too and report the bugs while they continue farming the mobs w/ exploit tactics that would be exploit if the devs anticipated it.  Can't get enough of them on the boards?  Come to perma, If you dont know L337 you'll need a translator to join them.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ha Ha Ha.  Wow, sweet.<BR>

[Evadne]

Wow I must have a sekret decoder ring of shazbat power for when they are on test.  Legendary. ~Eva <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[carling1]

<DIV>sun and sav i like the way u try to make me out as a teen lol, if only <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> then surely i wouldnt have a home a job a car to run and a family to look after actually plum is a polite way of saying that u are kinda thick, its nothing to do with teen speak or any of that, crap and the first word that was censored wasnt even foul language fyi, my reply and the words i used in it were more to do with accent and dialect not that u would know what that is, oh and btw if u dont have a reasonable response or anything positive to say on why or why not we should have the ability to copy chars to test, thers not really much point in you posting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i play on test with another char not my main and have put the effort in to level a char on there so you dont need top preach to me even though ive put in the work i still think it would be beneficial to be able to copy  char to test. or several if u have varying level range alts, after all u can only play any one of them at a time.</DIV>

[Malack]

Holy run-on sentences Batman!

[Fire&ice]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malackii wrote:<BR>Holy run-on sentences Batman! <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>:smileyvery-happy:

[Ezri]

I can tell you this.  I played on the test server in SWG where they allowed copying.  Its only use was for guild leaders to come over from their play servers and try and figure out how to best turn the latest changes to their advantage.  Certainly the level of testing did not improve.

[ThePhoni]

<P>The test server is not really a test server.  It is more of a preview server.  Just like the main live servers it has its own population and economy.  The intergrity of that population and economy is why they wont copy characters over.  I mean, once every month or 2 if a few thousand new lvl 50 players jumped over to your server for a week or 2, it might just destablize it.  Which is another reason they wont copy characters.  Lets say a normal server can hold 10 thousand people. Well, day 1 of the combat changes i bet 2 to 3 times that number of people would have asked to be copied over if they could.  these are all reasons why copying should not be allowed.  In addition to the other reasons SOE has stated.  </P> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99>Can I have my existing characters copied over for play on Test?<BR></FONT></STRONG>No. Characters on the Test server will be starting fresh. However, there may be times when the dev team copies over characters from the standard servers to help test specific features.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff99>Wouldn't you get better testing results if you encouraged character copies?</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>We feel that promoting Test as a real server with a unique community will result in more consistent and useful feedback than allowing characters from other servers to be copied over at will. While that would result in more people seeing the latest changes, there are many who would take advantage of such a service for reasons other than helping improve the game. Having the server crowded with less-dedicated players could actually get in the way of receiving quality feedback from the experienced individuals who currently play on Test.</DIV> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>What *should* be done to fix the situation is simple.  Open a new test server that gets wiped every week or month, and only allow copying of characters there.  But make it a complete copy of a real live server, complete with the thousandes of characters and tons of data, so that you get an accurate picture.  Then when a new live update is about to come out, not only do you "put it up on test for a few days to a week" you also put out the call for 5 thousand people that will help you, for a few days just TEST the update.  Because, i believe that many people would be willing to give up a day or 2 of playing time on a live server so that the new patch to that server is working properly.  Its not a hard change, and its not a hard addition.  We know that SOE has the POWER to copy/transfer characters.  We all know that changes like these should be throughly tested and tweaked.  I can understand their stance on the normal test server.  But why they wont take 1 more step, to try to make the game better, I do not understand.</P>

[Arioch]

<DIV>Having worked in QA I can see some legimitacy to the way they have the current test server set up.  However its also important to allow the copy of characters over to the test server so that higher level content can be tested more easily or even the mid ranges.  The solution would seem to be for them to provide two different test servers.  One server would remain like the current environment is and a 2nd server would be setup strictly to allow folks to copy their characters over to test in that manner.  That way your getting the best coverage possible.  I dont think the current setup is robust enough.</DIV>