scouts and soloing

[batter_then]

can you please gives scouts there enhancements now! i have been trying to solo in the splitpaw expanceion to get flagged for a while now and it is allmost impossible. all of are atacks(well most of them) are positional so we can do the heavy damage that we are supposed to. also are stuns dont last very long so getting behind your enemy to do these atacks is nearly impossible. please makes scouts better now.... thankyou <div></div>

[Vatec]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>can you please gives scouts there enhancements now! i have been trying to solo in the splitpaw expanceion to get flagged for a while now and it is allmost impossible. all of are atacks(well most of them) are positional so we can do the heavy damage that we are supposed to. also are stuns dont last very long so getting behind your enemy to do these atacks is nearly impossible. please makes scouts better now.... thankyou<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Positional styles are very doable when solo: turn off auto-attack, hit Cheap Shot, jump over mob, hit positional style of choice.</P> <P>It takes practice.  It doesn't work 100% of the time.  And it may not even be more efficient than just doing Heroic Opportunities.  But it =is= doable.</P> <P>That being said, I do think the scout classes need a little bit of help soloing.  I can do things with my Berserker that my Ranger only dreams about.  OTOH, my Ranger can kill almost anything within reason if he's willing to kite like crazy.  But that's rather ... boring.</P> <P> </P>

[batter_then]

well when your required to take on groups solo and lvl 56 mobs solo... cheap shot allmost never works and kiting liek hell only goes so far <div></div>

[Vatec]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>well when your required to take on groups solo and lvl 56 mobs solo... cheap shot allmost never works and kiting liek hell only goes so far<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>1.  I'm not sure exactly how you're "required" to take on level 56 mobs, never mind being "required" to take them on solo.</P> <P>2.  If the cheap shot isn't landing, then the issue isn't that it doesn't last long enough, the issue is that you're fighting creatures that are too far above your level.  I can pretty much assure you that cheap shot works about 90% of the time when fighting blue con mobs, which is pretty much what SOE =intends= people to be fighting when they're solo.</P> <P>3.  So, in essence, you're not asking SOE to "fix" scouts, you're asking them to give scouts abilities that =no= class has ever been intended to have.  Can some classes solo these mobs?  Probably.  Did SOE ever intend for them to solo these mobs?  Probably not.  If anything, I think we can expect SOE to tune down all the classes' abilities to solo over-con and heroic mobs....</P> <P>4.  On the other hand, if you're complaining specifically about mobs that are =required= in order to complete the Splitpaw solo quests, then the problem is, again, not with scouts, it's with the balancing and instancing in the Splitpaw expansion.  In that case, you certainly have my support.  If the solo version of the expansion is not soloable by scout classes, that is a problem that needs to be addressed.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Vatec on <span class=date_text>07-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:32 AM</span>

[batter_then]

no im asking just for scouts generally to be better and you should try the solo areana in split paw... the champion is lvl 56 heck taking away that agility nerf from long ago would probably solve the problem and let scouts take the solo instances in splitpaw <div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

I'll admit I've never finished the solo arena, but everything else in Splitpaw I've been doing consistently from levels 36 (what I was when we first got it on Test) to 46.7 (what I am now).  It's not easy, but an Assassin's life never is... <div></div>

[batter_then]

its easy for other classes tho and thats nto fair... scouts should have the opotunety to do solo stuff to with the same eaze. ive sean zerkers go through all of the solo instances without taking hardally any damage <div></div>

[Ethelwo]

Thats BS the champion beat my L50 zerker many many times before I got lucky on an HO and got the armor buff.

[batter_then]

since all zerkers are the same.... <div></div>

[Amise]

If your champion is level 56, that means you are in the "very difficult" version of the solo arena. Guess what?  It's<b> very difficult</b>. <div></div>

[slippery]

<span><blockquote><hr>Amise wrote:If your champion is level 56, that means you are in the "very difficult" version of the solo arena. Guess what?  It's<b> very difficult</b>. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Beat me to it :p </span><div></div>

[Gyilok]

yea cheap shot idea for flank/backstab is great, and probably there are no scouts existing that dont know about this so very good to tell us, just go check the reuse timer on it and you will see how useful it is

[Naughtesn]

<P>I am dumber for having read this thread....</P> <P>I have soloed basically every outdoor named in the game over the course of my leveling (that didn't cast - yuck).</P> <P>If you don't want to kite, then I guess you don't want to solo very badly.  Bow skills are effective replacements for our positional attacks. </P> <P>As far as the Pit Champion goes, the encounter is not designed to be beatable by all classes atm (a design flaw imo - any class that can heal or effectively root has a huge advantage).  He is beatable if you think about changing your MO.  For an assassin, think potions - won't give away exactly what I do, but after he was nerfed, I can beat him like 50% of the time.</P> <P>But is it really necessary to start thread 234029895 on this topic - especially since the combat revamp is underway.  All you know about soloing (by all accounts) will be changed forever anyway.  </P>

[Vatec]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>no im asking just for scouts generally to be better and you should try the solo areana in split paw... the champion is lvl 56<BR>heck taking away that agility nerf from long ago would probably solve the problem and let scouts take the solo instances in splitpaw<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>See, that's my point.  Scouts don't need to be better.  The problem is specifically with Splitpaw.  And since each Splitpaw instance is generated based on your class and level, it just means that there's a problem with the balancing of the solo scout-class version of Splitpaw.</P> <P>Now, if you're having problems soloing in general, you're going to need to be more specific.  So far, all the examples you have given involve Splitpaw and can be addressed specifically by some rebalancing of Splitpaw. </P>

[Vatec]

<DIV>I'm well aware of the reuse timer on Cheap Shot.  I use it, oh, about 30-60 times per hour while soloing.  I'm sure not every scout knows about it, because I know at least two scouts that I've had to teach the technique to.  And, if you read the original post, the complaint was that the stun didn't last long enough to get into position.  The OP did not complain about the reuse timer, nor did the OP complain that it was resisted all the time.  The OP specifically complained that it didn't last long enough to get into position, so that was the question I addressed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Vatec on <span class=date_text>07-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:10 PM</span>

[MiscreantPy]

<DIV>Don't include bards in your, scouts can't solo rants. I'm busy trying to kite epic mobs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Drtydog]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P>2.  If the cheap shot isn't landing, then the issue isn't that it doesn't last long enough, the issue is that you're fighting creatures that are too far above your level.  I can pretty much assure you that cheap shot works about 90% of the time when fighting blue con mobs, which is pretty much what SOE =intends= people to be fighting when they're solo.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> Beldacar - Wood Elf - 21 Ranger / 14 Outfitter<BR>Kiri - Gnome - 14 Bard / 15 Scholar</DIV> <P>Get out of the newbie zones.  Cheap shot and run around is a joke, and as already mentioned look at the recast timers... Yes Rangers can kite but that's about it.  </P> <P>I'd love to see you cheap shot, run behind, stealth attack in the bottom or Solusek or Permafrost.:smileyvery-happy:<BR></P>

[Nemm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>its easy for other classes tho and thats nto fair... scouts should have the opotunety to do solo stuff to with the same eaze. ive sean zerkers go through all of the solo instances without taking hardally any damage<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>And then a zerker will come along and say that its not fair he had to solo for hours just to get to the lower tunnels while you sneak past an entire zone...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want all classes equal. Some classes solo better, some have utilities, some have no tanking ability but killer dps. If everything were given to everyone then what would be the sense of having all the class variations?</DIV>

[kaeleth]

Just give me a templar warlock hybred and I will be happy <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vuron]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nemmir wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>its easy for other classes tho and thats nto fair... scouts should have the opotunety to do solo stuff to with the same eaze. ive sean zerkers go through all of the solo instances without taking hardally any damage<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>And then a zerker will come along and say that its not fair he had to solo for hours just to get to the lower tunnels while you sneak past an entire zone...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want all classes equal. Some classes solo better, some have utilities, some have no tanking ability but killer dps. If everything were given to everyone then what would be the sense of having all the class variations?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Bingo.  I'm tired of the cookie cutter crap.  Sure, we have a tougher time fighting solo than a lot of classes.  We also have some big advantages while adventuring solo.  I've heard that a Paladin solo'd the group arena.... good for him.  I've heard a rumor that I can finish Harclave in 18 minutes.  Why do we all have to be exactly the same?</P> <P>And, for the record, I think our ability to solo is just about right.  Some other classes are just slightly overpowered when they can solo named heroics without taking damage.  But, this is one of the major flaws being addresses with the combat changes.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Brorin]

<P>Touché Nemmir.   Touché.</P> <P>I play a 46 Brigand.  I know my limits and boundaries.  If I am strictly hunting for XP, do I want to spend 10 minutes and hundreds of arrows to kill one ^^ yellow / orange melee mob,  or use that 10 minutes to double my XP amount killing solo blue mobs?  Easy.</P> <P>And when you say "can solo" you should keep in mind that there are many types of "solo" other than combat.  For example, I stealthed across Lavastorm, through the pits of doom, crossing the lava streams, into the depths of the Sol Ro Temple to solo my teleporter access.  I am sure there are alot of other classes that wish they could have done that.</P> <P>As for Splitpaw... know your limits as to which level range you choose.  There are plenty of good strategies out there in cyberland for scout encounters with the Pit Champion (not gonna give it away, but examine a few poisons and see what they do).  We scouts have to use our noggins, and use what we have in order to win a fight.  We can't just go head-to-head with most mobs, we have to be creative. </P> <p>Message Edited by Brorin on <span class=date_text>08-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:12 PM</span>

[Gyilok]

yah lol the stifle poison is great, it was gone before i could say fu dog

[trigger3]

<DIV>To the thread starter....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Suck it up. My 32 Ranger can solo just about any zone in there. If you do not know how to play your class, don't go asking SoE to make it easier. Re-roll a new class if you can't handle the complexity of a Scout.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will admit that it is much tougher for a Scout class. Compared to my Conjuror who can rip through Very Difficult in harclave, my ranger can barely make it through difficult. Some classes are better at things than others. If you want every class to have the exact same "easy" soloability, then why even have such a wide range selection of classes to choose from? Why not have everybody only play one "Super" class that can solo everything in the game? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point is, either learn to better play as a scout, or re-roll something more towards your play style. If thats to much for you, then grow up.</DIV>

[Vatec]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P>LOL.</P> <P>I was addressing the original poster's complaint.  The original poster said that stun didn't last long enough.  He was wrong.  The issue of whether the use of stun was appropriate under the circumstances did not arise and thus I did not address it.</P> <P>I realize you're probably far too busy to read the entire thread, but you should probably at least =consider= doing so before contributing.  Then your posts might actually be relevant to the topic being discussed....</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>buoymarker28 wrote:<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>2.  If the cheap shot isn't landing, then the issue isn't that it doesn't last long enough, the issue is that you're fighting creatures that are too far above your level.  I can pretty much assure you that cheap shot works about 90% of the time when fighting blue con mobs, which is pretty much what SOE =intends= people to be fighting when they're solo.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> Beldacar - Wood Elf - 21 Ranger / 14 Outfitter<BR>Kiri - Gnome - 14 Bard / 15 Scholar</DIV> <P>Get out of the newbie zones.  Cheap shot and run around is a joke, and as already mentioned look at the recast timers... Yes Rangers can kite but that's about it. </P> <P>I'd love to see you cheap shot, run behind, stealth attack in the bottom or Solusek or Permafrost.:smileyvery-happy:<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Naughtesn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trigger333 wrote:<BR> <DIV>To the thread starter....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Suck it up. My 32 Ranger can solo just about any zone in there. If you do not know how to play your class, don't go asking SoE to make it easier. Re-roll a new class if you can't handle the complexity of a Scout.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will admit that it is much tougher for a Scout class. Compared to my Conjuror who can rip through Very Difficult in harclave, my ranger can barely make it through difficult. Some classes are better at things than others. If you want every class to have the exact same "easy" soloability, then why even have such a wide range selection of classes to choose from? Why not have everybody only play one "Super" class that can solo everything in the game? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point is, either learn to better play as a scout, or re-roll something more towards your play style. If thats to much for you, then grow up.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Harsh, maybe...true assessment, definitely.

[Claritin]

<DIV>I love how his name is batter_than_u</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes it seems almost every scout in here agrees that they play better than him...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ironic choice of names.</DIV>

[batter_then]

<div></div>your all dumb... i said allmost impossible not impossible... o yaeh to the lvl 36 ranger... you suck.. your lvl 36... soloing gets different... and obvuiosly im a noob becouse i cant beat the very hard champion... im sorry but by the sounds liek it... not alot of peopel can.. for soem reson i dout most of the poeple that think that can actually get to the champion on very hard much less beat him. all in all quit bugging me and im taking my own advise and trying to get better so i can be lazy... so dont you tell me about<span></span> if i know what im doing or not. its a hard zone i can whine about it being exsessive and ask SOE to make me better if i want to... go away <div></div><p>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:37 AM</span>

[Naughtesn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>ok to start no one gives a danm about your low lvl rangers/assassins/ what ever the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] becosue honestly i dont...<BR><BR><BR>god i hate peopel some times... cant wait to become a hill billy<SPAN>:smileymad:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>You seem to have anger management issues....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I talked about my accomplishments - at level 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think you have already achieved your goal - no offense to any hillbillies out there intended.</DIV>

[batter_then]

yes i know... wasnt talking about you but yaeh... <div></div>

[Nagell]

Just for the record, My Lev 50 ranger can't solo Heroics at all Must neef abled armor or something similar to solo mobs that my Friend a 50 Guardian can wipe out easily. Not sure what crack pipe some of these fgolks are puffing on but unless yer the god of Kiting or willing to die most of teh time trying you can't solo heroics with rangers with any regularity. <div></div>

[Nemm]

<DIV>Well if you want to cut down a tree maybe you should have chosen a chainsaw instead of a shovel. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Scouts were made to scout</DIV> <DIV>Fighters were made to fight</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't complain to sony cause your shovel is broken...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, another bit of wisdom. Don't do alot of complaining about how bad you have it and how someone else has it better. Nine out of ten times this will not get you an improved situation. They'll just take it away from the other guy too. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Find a specific problem with your class. Spell suchandsuch has a rediculously long recast time. Why is this true? What sort of recast time would you like to see? Remove the timer association between two combat arts. Specifics and homework will go alot farther.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nemmir on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:40 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Nemmir on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:41 AM</span>

[KnightOfTheWo]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Nagellom wrote:Just for the record, My Lev 50 ranger can't solo Heroics at all Must neef abled armor or something similar to solo mobs that my Friend a 50 Guardian can wipe out easily. Not sure what crack pipe some of these fgolks are puffing on but unless yer the god of Kiting or willing to die most of teh time trying you can't solo heroics with rangers with any regularity. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Also a ranger, but I don't mind not being able to solo heroics...they are intended for <i>groups. </i>Yes, I know it would be nice to solo green heroics, and sometimes rangers can, but mostly when we solo...we have to take down solo mobs. Even this doesn't bother me because there are too many ways to get XP in this game besides grinding. Besides, we are rangers...the guardians can play the aggro shield role all they want. I enjoy backing them up, not taking their role. (Trial of Harclave is fun though, I will admit that...) Anyway, I know I'm not 50 yet so I have no place telling you how to play. This isn't an attack either, really just my opinion, it's good to see any rangers posting on the boards at all. <span>:smileyhappy:</span> Best of luck...</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by KnightOfTheWord on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:45 AM</span>

[dparker7]

<P>Only thing I really want them to change in the solo arena is to give us more room.  The margin of error is pretty small for kiting, and really, thats our only option.</P>

[trigger3]

<DIV>Rangers arn't supposed to be able to solo heroics. Or any class for that matter. Yes, many classes can right now, but that will ALL change after the combat revamp comes. No more soloing heroic groups, and im sure soloing things 3-5lvls higher will be near impossible after the combat revamp comes aswell.</DIV>