No Level/Quest Reqs for Main Zones? Test Only, or will it go Live?

[themysterious]

Will last nights patch, removing quest and level requirements from all core zones be going live, or is it a test only modification to improve testing? <div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> themysteriousne wrote:<BR>Will last nights patch, removing quest and level requirements from all core zones be going live, or is it a test only modification to improve testing?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>What change are you referring to?<BR>

[Macross_JR]

They are refering to the no quest/level requirment for Zek, EL, EF, LS, Draffling, and some other zones.  I saw a post that confirmed this in the Zones and Populations forums. <div></div>

[themysterious]

<div></div>Last nights patch message on test.Blackgaurd/Moorgaurd, which ever is responsible for keep the updates section of the test forum is just a bit slack (or away sick or something) and didn't post it in the forums yet.<hr><b>*** Zone Access and Travel Changes ***</b>-There are no longer level restrictions or quest requirements on the following zones: Fallen Gate, the Orcish Wastes, the Enchanted Lands, Drafling Tower, the Feerrott, Everfrost, and Lavastorm.- The access quests that were restricting travel to the Orcish Wastes, the Enchanted Lands, the Feerrott, Everfrost, and Lavastorm are now optional and provide item rewards. After you complete any of these quests (or if you have done so in the past), speak to Scholar Milnik on the docks of the Thundering Steppes to receive your reward. All boat rides associated with the overland access quests are now instanced adventures that can be repeated once you have completed the quests.- Harbormasters in East Freeport and Qeynos Harbor now only sell tickets to the Thundering Steppes and Nektulos Forest. These two locations now function as travel hubs to the rest of the world. From the Thundering Steppes you can travel to the Orcish Wastes, the Feerrott, and Everfrost. From Nektulos Forest you can travel to the Enchanted Lands and Lavastorm.- As Kizdean Gix's key is no longer needed to enter Fallen Gate, he has retreated from the Commonlands.<b>*** Epic Encounters ***</b>- Varanak the Everlasting will no longer immediately attack those who revive in the zone after being defeated by him. In addition, the statue has once again been reminded that his duty is to aid Venekor.<b>*** Items ***</b>- Status loot can now be sold to regular merchants for an appropriate price.<b>*** Tradeskills ***</b>- Each stage of the "Seeking a Profession" quest will now award a different volume of the Artisan Essentials series. The amount of cash awarded has been increased slightly, and citizenship should now be properly granted upon completion of the final quest.<div></div><p>Message Edited by themysteriousne on <span class="date_text">07-20-2005</span><span class="time_text">12:06 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by themysteriousne on <span class=date_text>07-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:06 AM</span>

[Dae]

What possible reason is there for this? You got free access at the appropriate level as it was. Kizdean Gix is traditional. You can't get rid of him. A better solution would be to make him a level 25 highly aggressive wandering mob. Oh and while you're at it bring back the griffons as well. Not sure what this would achieve since there's only ever 5 low level people in the commons at any time any more but damnit it's traditional. <div></div>

[BrizaOr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> themysteriousne wrote:<BR> <BR>- Harbormasters in East Freeport and Qeynos Harbor now only sell tickets to the Thundering Steppes and Nektulos Forest. These two locations now function as travel hubs to the rest of the world. From the Thundering Steppes you can travel to the Orcish Wastes, the Feerrott, and Everfrost. From Nektulos Forest you can travel to the Enchanted Lands and Lavastorm.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I have to admit that this is the scary part for me, personally I often bought tickets directly to EF just to avoid going through Zek. Why? I am not sure why exactly it is, but for me, Zek has absolutely the hugest loading time from the zones - usually after some hours of playing. Lets take writs at EF for example, loading Zek can easily take 4-5mins (1 minute mostly for other zones) and results in absolutely choppy performance for a while.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course, unless the change means that bells for Zek, Feerrott & EF are actually at Steppes and bells for EL & LS are at Nek forest. But I don't know if thats the case here. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by BrizaOrin on <span class=date_text>07-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:28 PM</span>

[Fire&ice]

I can confirm that yes the bells to Zek, EF and Feerrott are in TS on the docks and EL & LS are in Nek on the docks at least on Test :smileyhappy: so you go to either of these 2 zones and then pick the bell to where you want to go :smileytongue:

[WuphonsReach]

For those that tuned in late... originally, the zones were as follows (going from memory):EL - quested at 25, auto-access at 32Zek - quested at 25, auto-access at 32Feer - quested at 37, auto-access at 37 (later changed to quested at 32)Lava - quested at 37?, auto-access at 42EF - quested at 32, auto-access at 42? (or was it 37?)Then, they changed EL/Zek... the quest still couldn't be started until 25, but you got auto-access at 30.Here were the issues (as I saw them):Fallen Gate - none of the Antonica dungeons had access quests. Auto-entry was at 20 for Fallen Gate (as there are AQs to be done there starting at 20). EL - auto-access at 30 was fine, but could have been lowered to 28 (beach mobs are level 31ish, no sense going there until 2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Zek - same issue as EL, the auto-access could have stood to be lowered to 28Feer - the auto-access at 37 was too high, the beach mobs are only level 34-35(?) and were going green by the time you got there at 37. So they would've needed to lower the auto-access on this zone to 33 or 34.EF - auto-access for this zone needed to be high 30s, maybe even as low as 35. Lava - auto-access for this zone needed to be lowered to 38ish (beach mobs are level 41)So, rather then go through another round of tuning, it looks like they decided to simply remove the access requirements for the overland zones and let the players make the decision.Ultimately, it's not going to make a huge amount of difference, but I can think of a few things that need to change (some quest NPCs need to now be coded to not offer quests to players below a certain level, especially NPCs that spawn nasty mobs).

[Nabu_g]

i personally like this idea because i like going where i should not go one of my best memorys is at 20 something i made a mad dash into the portal in the CL to the Obelish of lost souls which was very way cool becasue i think i was probably one the first people in the zone (no way to prove it either way) since beta and because of a bug of getting killed by the door guard lizard thing i got inside the obelish at my level but i could not use any of the portals inside because of level requirements so i had to call of the overlord out i like the idea that you can almost level a character at the low levels by just exploring the game and  running like a  little girl  when something  big  looks at you this also teachs everyone the real way to sneak around <div></div>

[Norb]

<P> This, in my opinion, is a great change.  </P> <P> Why should zones be restricted to someone's level? It's a world. Let people explore, see what's out there and what they can look foward to. </P>

[Asif]

Yes i agree with Norbix i think this is a great change ,we should beable to go where ever we want if its to tough people will learn quickly i hope

[ChrisRay]

I think this is a wonderful idea for many reasons. I always felt the access quests for outdoor overland zones such as this was a bad idea to begin with. The beauty of this is it will allow low levels players to sneak a peak at higher level zones which will give them something to look forward too. Definately a good move IMO.

[vinegarlov]

I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix!

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Id say leave all the acces quests for the zones in auto acces is already to easy/lame, It was a blast questing and doing the boatride and entering a new continent.</P> <P>Part of the fun was you had to work to get acces to the new zones, they already lowered the auto acces and thats lame imo.</P>

[Doloi]

RIP Kizdean Gix. <div></div>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Baleout wrote:<BR>Yes i agree with Norbix i think this is a great change ,we should beable to go where ever we want if its to tough people will learn quickly i hope <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yes, especially with the relatively easy shard retrieval and no permanent penalty. I have to admit, there was nothing like being chased across North Karana in EQL at level 10 by a level 30+ speedy griffon or being stepped on by the first hill giant I had ever seen while medding. Certainly kept me on my toes, and we were in awe of the people who could make the long trips from places like Erudin to Faydwer. That was an epic journey at level 10! </P> <P>I've had a few of these experiences in EQ2, mainly because I hit 30 with my tradeskill level at adventure level 27. Doing the quest for Bogstrutter in Zek at 27 was a true thrill. I got killed three times in the Steam Caves portion, those orc casters were vicious! When I finished the quest, there was a real sense of achievement.</P> <P>I don't think they should change the quest mobs, though...part of the thrill is the chance of doom if you try something too far above your level. That can happen now, anyway.....on her first trip to Everfrost, I had a friend trapped atop an island by a named shark she spawned. And then when she thought evac would let her escape, he followed her to the dock evac point, killed her there, and camped her shard. </P> <P>It's moments like those you remember. The really great accomplishments don't sem quite as great without a few stellar frights and bad moments thrown in for comparison, at least that contrast makes them more special to me.</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 42 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore</P>

[Jeridor]

It gets really old seeing people say things should be X way just because they were that way in EQ1.  This isn't EQ1.  Although I do like the idea of characters / descendants making appearances, even if only cameos. Anyway as far as this actual change, is this definitely for live server also or could this be test specific to help testers get around? <div></div>

[Midomiko]

According to patch notes on the launcher this morning, this change goes live today.

[Kenazeer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gage-Mikel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> themysteriousne wrote:<BR>Will last nights patch, removing quest and level requirements from all core zones be going live, or is it a test only modification to improve testing?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>What change are you referring to?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What kind of buttwipe would one star this post? For god's sake all he was doing was aksing a question. Grow up someone.

[Norb]

 I just checked the launchpad. Not only is this going live, but so is LU12! Today is a great day for Everquest. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jeridor wrote:<BR>It gets really old seeing people say things should be X way just because they were that way in EQ1.  This isn't EQ1.  Although I do like the idea of characters / descendants making appearances, even if only cameos.<BR><BR>Anyway as far as this actual change, is this definitely for live server also or could this be test specific to help testers get around?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No....I don't think things should be just like EQ1. If I want to play EQ1, I play EQ1, since I still have my Station Access and my characters. I don't think that means that nothing that was good in EQ1 shouldn't ever be applied to EQ2. They have different focuses, but this isn't really a gameplay issue. With the level limitations as they are now, actually completing content is going to remain a purview of the people who are at that content level. It's an immersion issue. </P> <P>To me, it might be common sense to tell someone that they shouldn't sneak into the horrible dungeon or go to the scary zone filled with lava. But they should have the choice, I really don't see that there was any reason to prevent people from going where they wished, except to create a further time sink for the people blowing through the content in short amounts of time. And no boatride quest was more than a brief blip to those people, anyway. </P> <P>What this bottleneck did was mainly prevent people from just going to look at content they couldn't kill yet; it kept them from exploring. Anyone good enough to do the content at 25 was likely to do the quest at 25. I couldn't finish the boatride to save my life at 27, but I had a ton of fun in Zek running around, getting killed occasionally, but exploring, since I could get in on tradeskill level. I couldn't kill much besides a few of the zin mobs, but that didn't matter.....I LOVED the exploration quests, just being able to climb that lookout tower or run like a little girl to get that DFC castle update.....that was fun. Should I have had to wait till my adventurer could complete the boatride quest? </P> <P>I didn't mean to imply that EQ2 should become EQ1, that's the last thing I want. But the world in Two does sometimes feel much smaller than it did in One, and the access requirements were one of the big reasons why.</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 42 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore</P>

[Aegori]

<P>For simple reasons of immersion, i can see why they did what they did. Immersion is a key factor in games like this and being able to go to places you're not really supposed to can be exciting for some. Limitations of travel based on level, while meaningful in where one is SUPPOSED to be, really makes no sense as it's an artificial barrier holding you back. We may see lvl 14 people running around EL, but i imagine they wont last long if they take too many risks. Giving them the option to take those risks, however, is really the key to this change and makes travel much more realistic IMHO. </P> <P>-Aeg</P>

[ReturnOfMadness]

this makes me feel like gettin my lvl 7 priest to EF....be4 my main actually can get tehre lol (41, stupid acces was bugged for me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) <div></div>

[Moorgard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinegarlover wrote:<BR> I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You never know when he might pop up again.</P> <P>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</P> <P>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> vinegarlover wrote: <div></div>I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix! <hr> </blockquote> <p>You never know when he might pop up again.</p> <p>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</p> <p>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> I love the concept of the change, many great things were added in this update.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Plus on the idea of the newbie race.. one of the mistmoore guilds did a rat race at level 3 from freeport to qeynos... so I can see them doing a ferrott, lavastorm, etc version soon <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Ci]

YAY, Now I get to plant lvl 3 alts at all congested mobs!!!<div></div>

[Xibi]

This is a great direction that the game is going in!!   Excellent move.   Hopefully the expansions will continue on this track.  It was one of the few things that was fun in EQ 1.   Going to areas that were way higher than you were, whether it was to just run past in order to take a shortcut to somewhere else, or just going to explore.  I'll never forget my first trip into Skyfire when Kunark went live and I was about level 30 or so.  Yikes....   Now that was some scary stuff.    Please continue on this path in future expansions. 

[Bravnik]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinegarlover wrote:<BR> I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You never know when he might pop up again.</P> <P>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</P> <P>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nice to see that comments made in Beta are finally getting put into the game.......gratz Moorgard, one immersion killing idea down....many many community/immersion killing ideas needing to die with this one. Great Work! I look forward to more changes like this in the future.....its good to see someone woke up.

[Tockl]

<P>Ilee, 50 sage, 50 warlock.  Check, Check, Check.</P> <P>Splitpaw!</P>

[themysterious]

<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> vinegarlover wrote: <div></div>I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix! <hr> </blockquote> <p>You never know when he might pop up again.</p> <p>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</p> <p>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> Thats all good and well, but what stops Jonny Teentoon running to all the discovery points in these zones and getting massive amounts of free xp? Are the L&L books in EL going to be moved to prevent level 5 toons getting L&L goblin? And Kizdean better pop up, or the guy who removed him should be dragged out the back and pummled with nerf balls.</span><div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>themysteriousne wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vinegarlover wrote: I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix! <hr> </blockquote> <p>You never know when he might pop up again.</p> <p>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</p> <p>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <hr></blockquote> Thats all good and well, but what stops Jonny Teentoon running to all the discovery points in these zones and getting massive amounts of free xp? Are the L&L books in EL going to be moved to prevent level 5 toons getting L&L goblin? And Kizdean better pop up, or the guy who removed him should be dragged out the back and pummled with nerf balls.</span><hr></blockquote></span>If a low level toon wants to take the risks and run around in feerrott or Lavastorm, why SHOULDN"T he get POI experience??  he went there didn't he? <div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by Ariven on <span class=date_text>07-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:40 PM</span>

[themysterious]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ariven wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>themysteriousne wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vinegarlover wrote: I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix! <hr> </blockquote> <p>You never know when he might pop up again.</p> <p>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</p> <p>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <hr></blockquote> Thats all good and well, but what stops Jonny Teentoon running to all the discovery points in these zones and getting massive amounts of free xp? Are the L&L books in EL going to be moved to prevent level 5 toons getting L&L goblin? And Kizdean better pop up, or the guy who removed him should be dragged out the back and pummled with nerf balls.</span><hr></blockquote></span>If a low level toon wants to take the risks and run around in feerrott or Lavastorm, why SHOULDN"T he get POI experience??  he went there didn't he? <div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by Ariven on <span class="date_text">07-20-2005</span> <span class="time_text">06:40 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Because there is very little risk... take EL for example, you can get to fairy island without running in to any kill on site monsters, you can also get to the rivervale bridge, the tree stump with very little risk. I don't mind if they get a nice chunk of xp for doing it... but these POI give noticable xp at level 30, I just want to make sure sony thought it through to some cap so people don't get half a level per POI. </span><div></div>

[Quasicroa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinegarlover wrote:<BR> I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You never know when he might pop up again.</P> <P><STRONG>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</STRONG></P> <P>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Which is a very good thing to hear. </P> <P>Besides it was stated pre-release that access barriers would be the "Exception" not the "Norm". Overland continent travel should have never been the way it was with forced barriers(even though yes I did enjoy the boat quests I have done). </P> <P>I still do think the incentive to do the boat ride should be more than a reward item. It just seems that part of the incentive should have been "free passage" for the ship ride any time you wished to travel. Then say if you did not have the boat ride finished when you clicked on the bell it would say "If you wish to travel to <zone> aboard <ship name> passage will be 60s. Do you wish to pay to board <ship name>?". Thats just my view though.</P> <P>Access quests for some dungeons key to say Heritage quests I can totally see being a legit barrier as it really adds a feel to having to accomplish something. So for story and some content places like Nektropols Castle, Cave of Decay, and Deathfist Citidal to name a few it makes sense to have access for those kinds of places.</P> <P>I hope to see that you guys continue to rethink some of the zones with accesses, but please do not undo key zones that tie to heritage quests. That would kill a lot of the immersion and feel of accomplishment with finishing heritages.</P>

[Gaige]

I love this new system, its so much better.

[Quasicroa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> themysteriousne wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinegarlover wrote:<BR> I'm sure going to miss Kizdean Gix!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You never know when he might pop up again.</P> <P>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</P> <P>Access quests for dungeons (aside from Fallen Gate and Drafling Tower) are still there, because those are driven by story rather than simply being roadblocks. But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats all good and well, but what stops Jonny Teentoon running to all the discovery points in these zones and getting massive amounts of free xp?<BR><BR><STRONG>Are the L&L books in EL going to be moved to prevent level 5 toons getting L&L goblin?</STRONG><BR><BR>And Kizdean better pop up, or the guy who removed him should be dragged out the back and pummled with nerf balls.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Why do they have to move them? All they need to do if its that much a worry is lock it so you cannot highlight the spot till level 28. Much the way other books in the mage towers are in Freeport and Qeynos.<BR></P> <DIV>As for Jonny Teentoon. So what. If a teen can get to Deathfist Citidal and live then he did by all means did do what ties into the whole discovery spots. If he doesn't die and incur XP debt than in many ways I think he would deserve the XP as he completed a challenge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some of us also enjoy watching people take risks like that only to see 1-5 of them get killed fast. Quite funny. I may just go role up a level 3 and see just how far I can get into some of the zones.</DIV>

[Chabisu]

I've no clue if they do or not, but I would think POIs scale up exp as do Collection quests. Complete say the Pristine Shard quest on a character in his 30s then complete it on a level 6 character. They don't automatically level 4 levels. They get a nice big chunk of exp and a pretty nice reward and that's that. On the flip side, when they are the level where the POI or Collection would be more appropiate they won't be able to use it for a nice chunk of experience. So it works out just fine I would think.I completely agree with removing these restrictions and hope that the Devs will continue to make such changes where needed. I loved doing the quests for access the first time (especially the EF boat itself) but doing them over and over for alts and alts of friends starts to wear on people. You are raising the replay value of the game with this change which is always a great thing.Changes like this are bringing back players who had quit. Keep up the great work. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gcha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Scott Hartsman summed up the reason for this change well: It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>/Applause.  One of the best and most encouraging changes since the game went live.<BR>

[Vobe]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> It should be the content that prevents you from getting to dangerous parts of the world, not artificial barriers.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I am really sorry to hear that you are changing it in THIS way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have always seen the access quests, the way YOU described them before beta Moorgard. The access quests are supposed to be about "discovering" the other lands that have survived the cataclysm. Obtaining access to these lands should tell a story.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The problem I have always had with these access quests was the crazy difficulty of them. Instead of just removing the access quests completely, I would much rather see them made much easier then they currently are. There should not be any more challenge in an access quest then the class and subclass quests have. Obtaining access to a new area should involve a short story where the player "discovers" it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree that access quests should not be roadblocks for players, but the quests ARE a still a great idea. Instead of removing them completely, just make the quest more reasonable to complete. Enchanted Lands access for example should be possible to complete by a solo level 25 player.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OF COURSE these quests seem like a roadblock currently. Back when I did the EL access quest long long ago, it took a full group of level 30ish people to finish the quest, which was dumb considering the level you could start it, and the fact that it was a pretty important quest to do.</DIV>

[themysterious]

I generally like this new system, I tested my concern about POI xp, and it seems to scale ok... still a tad dubious about the L&L books... and I still want my ol'buddy Kizdean back /glare. Being a fan of Splitpaw I am sure glad I don't have to run my toons, that don't yet have the shard, accross Nek & TS. One thing that irked me is you removed the thexian meeting quest, the purpose for it, but you didn't give any additional reward for it like you did with the boat rides... I quite liked the story behind the thexian meeting... <div></div>

[Fern]

I myself liked the fact I earned early access to the zone.  It made the world feel larger then it is.  I'm sorry that new players won't experience this. <div></div>

[Serindyl]

How is this even a problem?  The quest to earn access is still there, but its simply no longer necessary.  One can still do it if one wants to "earn" the privilege.  So what if a level 20 goes running through Everfrost or Lavastorm?  Its great exploration for them, and in reality, there should be nothing to prevent them going anywhere other than what is there will one shot kill them.  Let people run where they choose, and be inspired to level up where they can then hunt safely.  They will still die if they go there when they are not ready, with or without the access having been earned.<p>Message Edited by Serindyl on <span class=date_text>07-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:14 AM</span>

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>But really, if someone wants to stage the great newbie race through the Feerrott, more power to 'em. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wow, that's awesome. Now I want to get together a raid of 6th level alts and attack the Feerrott. :smileytongue: Come on, it would be fun. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Laha]

<P>Heh, the boat tickets still cost the same too.  IMO, drop the cost some</P> <P>//I hate zoning,.</P>