Messed up again SoE

[Styl]

<DIV>Seriously, who is incharge of comming up with this loot?  If you played the game 1 day, you would know this is simply stupid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/759/135.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why in God's name would you make a SCOUT only item, and give them +2 Crushing.  Let me think, can scouts use ANY crushing?  Humm, that a big NO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>Edit: I would have answered this post had you phrased your issue politely. A pity, that.</FONT></STRONG></DIV><p>Message Edited by Moorgard on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 PM</span>

[Tiberinus]

<3 SOE

[Hamen]

<DIV>yeah I have posted some interesting thing about this adventure pack. I understand that they have several teams working in advance with these expansions, adventure packs and even the free additional content, but their has got to be SOME kind of interdepartmental communication, and I can tell there isn't. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fact is every new zone added since the update making food not disappear when you die causes you to lose food when you die. This to me says there are things people just aren't aware of at Sony Online Entertainment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Opinion is I think poisons need to be added to this list of things that don't go away when you die.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once again there was very little testing done with this adventure pack, I do enjoy the content, even though I find the Solo arena fairly frustrating as a melee. I send back feedback regularly, but it seems the only things that get noticed is something posted on these forums. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another bug, that I have an issue with is in the Harclave Trial. You get uberbuffed for the duration of the dungeon, trouble is items you loot have a MUCH higher Damage rating while in the dungeon. It didn't take long to notice this, but it shouldn't make loot appear better than what it is. For that matter, loot needs to be tailored in that dungeon greatly. Things are dropping in there like it's group based. They need to tune the drop rate to solo rate. Right now it's causing a huge imbalance in the economy again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Over all I think SOE has done well with this game and I enjoy it immensely, but they need to listen to all their players and they need to give us all a way to test content on test center without grinding up to the level that way play at. I for one have a couple of toons there to test a couple of things, but I can't spend the time to grind to level 40 on test so my level 40+ gets properly tested content in live. They need to allow us to copy our characters over there to test. Even if it's only a temporary copy. Something that will get people that care about the direction of the game to get over there and help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But most of this is just my opinion, which that and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee.</DIV>

[Spymast]

<P>EQ2 Devs teams need more communication. I believe there is many different teams working individually. The graphic engine team, core engine, items, skill/spell/combat, CS, TS. But, they are working completely no communciation. The item teams dont know which class has which skill. They already give player many funny items that completely useless. Eg. the shoulder pad that just showed. lvl 50 haste item for caster and require a success melee hit to proc - caster need haste ?, can casters hit mob over lvl 35 ? eg. lvl 50 reduce threat item that require melee hit also anothe effect that need melee get hit to proc(caster has enough hp to wait the proc ?).</P> <P>Maybe all these item are design for next expansion that they will let scout use crashing weapon. caster can hit mob at even level. </P> <P> </P> <P>DEVS! PLEASE TELL YOUR TEAM-MATES WHAT ARE YOU DOING EVENT YOU DONT KNOW HIS NAME AFTER YOU GUYS WORK TOGETHER OVER 3 YEARS.</P>

[Dark_Sun]

<DIV>Yay... scout's dream.</DIV>

[EtoilePirate]

On the other hand, it's not like the +2 crushing *hurts* you at all, and the str/agi/sta are positively to drool over (from the POV of a 43.5 Assassin entirely clad in player-made non-imbued fulginate chain).  Sure +2 crushing isn't entirely useful but that's still a fantastic piece of gear and at least it's not minus anything. <div></div>

[observer]

<DIV>That's not the point.  Why even have +2 crushing on a SCOUT only item?  Do they even play this game, or better yet a scout?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EtoilePB, you also need to stop defending SOE for everything, especially on this case.  There shouldn't be any excuse for this error.  The fanboy/fangirl is really starting to show by you. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Armill]

I agree that it seems pretty stupid of them to put that on there but than again its not a big deal, i mean the stats on it are pretty good and maybe in the expansion scouts can use crush weapons...*shrug* just a possibility

[imakee]

<span><blockquote><hr>observer wrote:<div>That's not the point.  Why even have +2 crushing on a SCOUT only item?  Do they even play this game, or better yet a scout?</div> <div> </div> <div>EtoilePB, you also need to stop defending SOE for everything, <b>especially on this case.  There shouldn't be any excuse for this error.</b>  The fanboy/fangirl is really starting to show by you. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>God forbid someone somewhere made a small goof.  Is this gamebreaking? Honestly when i first saw this thread someone had to explain to me what the deal was. I play everyday but was not aware that scouts don't have crushing.  Perhaps it was meant to be a +2 to whatever skill scouts do use but the person who did the actual code (versus the person who designed the item) mistakenly put crushing instead of piercing. Of course you don't care about reasons and are just going to accuse me of being a fangirl like you did to EtoilePB. Sorry, not all scouts are going to throw a temper tantrum just cause an awesome item for scouts only has a silly skill on it.  Here is an idea. SOE's devs are human. Sometimes mistakes are made. I am not going to say that everyone that defends SOE isn't a fanboy/girl, but just cause we don't jump down their throats for something as silly as this, doesn't mean we are fanboys/girls.  Maybe we have patience and understanding? </span><div></div>

[Hamen]

<DIV>The point isn't the goof itself, it's the communication. LOL, what's next 2handed sword for clerics?</DIV>

[EtoilePirate]

<span><blockquote><hr>observer wrote:<div>That's not the point.  Why even have +2 crushing on a SCOUT only item?  Do they even play this game, or better yet a scout?</div> <div> </div> <div>EtoilePB, you also need to stop defending SOE for everything, especially on this case.  There shouldn't be any excuse for this error.  The fanboy/fangirl is really starting to show by you. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote> Yes, clearly I defend them for everything.  That's why I spend so much of my time submitting feedback and bug reports and suggestions on the Tester boards, and speaking my mind about what exactly I think is wrong and how they should fix it.  Clearly indeed, those are the marks of someone who thinks SOE can do no wrong. For what it's worth, I think there are THOUSANDS of things wrong with the scout classes as they stand, particularly the assassin class.  But one item having a stat bonus thta we don't really need is not at the top of my list of complaints.</span><div></div>

[Styl]

Well based on the theory that scouts MIGHT be able to use crushing in the expansion.  They might as well make lvl 60 armor and weapons drop now too then, cause hey, We can use them in the expansion.

[Armill]

<DIV>Instead of coming off like a jerk and freaking out over something that isn't that big of an issue you should look at the bigger picture of it doesn't matter at all. Who cares if you get +2 to crushing or not you shouldn't want the item for that anyways you should want it because fo its good stats, and +2 to something isn't even a big gain either way (unless this would affectivly give you like +2 levels of whatever the skill was and not +2 to the skill which i think it does now) And the whole 60 armor and equipment should drop now comment was just stupid...We can only have equipment that is affectivly 3 levels higher than we can attain before an expansion comes out...like now the most you can get with any item is 265 so level 53 equipment already does drop...but when the expansion comes out the best we can hope for is 63 (although I don't know if thats real or not it seems silly to me)</DIV>

[Styl]

No, I should look at the fact, that a Scout only armor drops that has +2 crushing that I can't even use,  Its a stupid mistake by SoE that I shouldn't even have to deal with, hell they might as well give me +2 to healing.<p>Message Edited by Stylin on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 AM</span>

[Toplana]

Stylin, you sound like all you want to hear is: Yes Stylin, you are so right, we are dumb developers let us bow for your greatness.. dang, can't you just be happy that they make class specific drops. That drop is nice, it has usefull main stats and who knows, that crushing might even help with landing your crushing arrows <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Armill]

Heres another fact for you...it has 18 str, 12 agi, 15 sta, 30 health and 35 power 100 vs slashing and  293 mitigation other resists and +2 crushing and its a scout class specfic yet you feel like +2 crushing is enough to ruin this great item that you would be lucky to get in the first place so stop complaining and be happy with a awesome piece of equipment you got instead of griping about how it should be better

[MiscreantPy]

<DIV>Typical SOE.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE keeps us rofling...</DIV>

[N2de]

<P>I'm sick of people defending SOE for there mistakes (too many to list), we pay a monthly fee for this game and should expect to have items drop that fit the class that they are designed for, we should have spells that work and are scaled correctly, but we dont. SOE simply dont address the issues, rather than fix broken spells they spend time nurfing, I for one would rather have a few classes with over-powered spells that work and focus on getting the spells that dont work ...fixed!</P> <P>If were all going to be bata testers and have to submit bug reports and suggestions on a daily basis to get the game working the way it should be, SOE should drop the subscription price untill they get it right... not spend time adding content to a broken game milking the customers they still have left.</P> <P>I just checked the mail and I havent gotten a paycheck from sony online.. have you?</P><p>Message Edited by N2deep on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:29 AM</span>

[Cuz]

<P>Well if you're so scandalized by it I hope they change it to monk only. It's a great peice, +2 crushing is inline with monks, let us have it.</P> <P>And no, it's not being a fanboy telling you that you're over reacting. Then again I'm a fanboy so what do I know? Man I love that term as being deragatory. Fanboy. I'd rather encourage the company making the game, insulting them seems counter productive. That makes me evil. Or not as good as some others.</P>

[N2de]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jenoy wrote:<BR> <P>Well if you're so scandalized by it I hope they change it to monk only. It's a great peice, +2 crushing is inline with monks, let us have it.</P> <P>And no, it's not being a fanboy telling you that you're over reacting. Then again I'm a fanboy so what do I know? Man I love that term as being deragatory. Fanboy. I'd rather encourage the company making the game, insulting them seems counter productive. That makes me evil. Or not as good as some others.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your missing the point, it should have been right he first time. I get paid to do my job correctly no matter how small the details, my employer expects perfection...and if there is a problem we fix it fast, spending time fixing things that arn't broken rather than fixing the real problems would get us ALL fired.</P> <P>In my world, it just makes good sence to correct the things that dont work FIRST, it would be nice to have a fanboy as an employer though.. I'd do whatever, loose customers, still get paid and get a pat on the back by the ol' fanboy.. way to go!</P> <p>Message Edited by N2deep on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:50 AM</span>

[Iseabeil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> N2deep wrote:<BR> <P><BR>Your missing the point, it should have been right he first time. I get paid to do my job correctly no matter how small the details, my employer expects perfection...and if there is a problem we fix it fast, spending time fixing things that arn't broken rather than fixing the real problems would get us ALL fired.</P> <P>In my world, it just makes good sence to correct the things that dont work FIRST, it would be nice to have a fanboy as an employer though.. I'd do whatever, loose customers, still get paid and get a pat on the back by the ol' fanboy.. way to go!</P> <P>Message Edited by N2deep on <SPAN class=date_text>07-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Whatever customers SoE might lose because of a minor stat on wrong item, that in no way hurt anyone (except brawlers that might have wanted the piece) are customers that to me, isnt worth having.</P> <P>if yer 50/50 char with legendary gear gets accidently deleted and cant be brought back, THAT would be a reason to be real upset, if ye get some extra stats ye cant use, thats cause of giggling.<BR></P> <DIV>*goes back to giggling a bit*</DIV>

[N2de]

<P>Again, missing the point. To sum this all up, MANY items MANY spells broken, SOE fixing things that WORK vs things that DON'T work at all and adding content to a broken game in hopes to keep customer's playing the game.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>"What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."<BR></P> <P>-Cool Hand Luke <FONT size=4>(</FONT><FONT size=4>1967</FONT><FONT size=4>)</FONT></P>

[Toplana]

So, you never make mistakes N2Deep? Quit the whining and acting holier as the pope.. Everyone wants perfection and its never achieved because we are all human. So imagion Sony added +2 piercing instead, would you feel so much better? its only +2 You are not forced to pay $15 a month, if you feel that SOE is doing you wrong you know how to hurt them.. leave! Does this game have errors and problems? Yes and way more then I like, however they still managed to deliver a product that brings joy and entertainment to thousands of players in spite of those errors. So they must be doing something right. They are trying to solve the errors AND deliver content at the same time. Its normal in the software industry that coding has errors, and SOE has a better track record of solving errors in a timely fashion as other vendors. /EM braces herself for the flaming, 1-starring and fanboi comments <div></div>

[N2de]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toplana wrote:<BR>So, you never make mistakes N2Deep? Quit the whining and acting holier as the pope.. Everyone wants perfection and its never achieved because we are all human.<BR><BR>So imagion Sony added +2 piercing instead, would you feel so much better? its only +2<BR><BR>You are not forced to pay $15 a month, if you feel that SOE is doing you wrong you know how to hurt them.. leave! Does this game have errors and problems? Yes and way more then I like, however they still managed to deliver a product that brings joy and entertainment to thousands of players in spite of those errors. So they must be doing something right. They are trying to solve the errors AND deliver content at the same time.<BR><BR>Its normal in the software industry that coding has errors, and SOE has a better track record of solving errors in a timely fashion as other vendors.<BR><BR>/EM braces herself for the flaming, 1-starring and fanboi comments<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>AGAIN! missing the point.. why not address the issues, the real problems that effect gameplay <FONT size=2><STRONG>negatively,</STRONG></FONT> as in it's BROKEN it don't work, it's a known issue.</P> <P>Yes, I make mistakes..but I fix my mistakes in order of importance and before I address other issues, this is logical. Coding errors that cause crashes, bugged graphics due to a patch or whatever..understandable, but a spell that broken and has been broken sence the game was released...<FONT size=2><STRONG>unacceptible</STRONG>! </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I'm not going to quit the game, I enjoy it even with the errors, this is beside the point. I can only hope that SOE is shown the path of LOGIC and pushed in the right direction soon.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><STRONG>log·ic</STRONG></P> <P><I>n.</I></P> <OL> <LI><STRONG>The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. </STRONG></LI> <LI> <OL> <LI><STRONG>A system of reasoning: Aristotle's logic. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG>A mode of reasoning: By that logic, we should sell the company tomorrow. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG>The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science. </STRONG></LI></OL></LI> <LI><STRONG>Valid reasoning: Your paper lacks the logic to prove your thesis. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG>The relationship between elements and between an element and the whole in a set of objects, individuals, principles, or events: There's a certain logic to the motion of rush-hour traffic. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><U><I>Computer Science.</I></U> </STRONG> <OL> <LI><STRONG>The nonarithmetic operations performed by a computer, such as sorting, comparing, and matching, that involve yes-no decisions. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG>Computer circuitry. </STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG>Graphic representation of computer circuitry. </STRONG></LI></OL></LI></OL> <P><BR><STRONG> </STRONG></P> <HR> <P>[Middle English, from Old French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logik<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/emacr.gif" width=7> (tekhn<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/emacr.gif" width=7>), <I>(art) of reasoning, logic</I>, feminine of logikos, <I>of reasoning</I>, from logos, <I>reason</I>. See leg- in Indo-European Roots.]</P>

[Ethelwo]

It's obvious that the item should be changed to scout, priest. Shaman and some plate class priests would be happy to use this item as well as scouts

[Zevk]

<DIV>OK just saying this for those people complaining about the Developers whom they have never met.</DIV> <DIV>The developers are a bunch of Game fans and lovers. however they have pressure from the Higher up people who want the New expansion to come out and be done. they have multiple teams each working on differrent things like bugs, armor design, grafic design,quests, tradeskills, Zone grafics, and so on. they have a list of problems in the game that keeps getting longer however only the most important items make it to the top. they are not going to stop trying to fix the problem with the UI, mobs getting stuck, people getting stuck in combat, people falling through the world, or other such Majoir issuse just because you guys cant get past the fact that some one typed crushing instead of piercing. Hell for all you know the  guy was typing in a huge list of new +Crushing items and didnt realize he got one piercing item on there. and if you tell me you have never made a mistake like that your lieing. they will fix it trust me but they are going to fix game changing thigs first. once they are done with those they will start working on the petty stuff that some of you winny bums cant seem to get over.</DIV>

[Zevk]

<DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Zevk on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 AM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stylin wrote:<BR> Well based on the theory that scouts MIGHT be able to use crushing in the expansion.  They might as well make lvl 60 armor and weapons drop now too then, cause hey, We can use them in the expansion.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>..or possibly in the combat update, eh?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[N2de]

Loud and clear $$$, Just like I said. 

[Armill]

N2 stop complaining about SPELLS sony needs to fix THE SPELLS why aren't THE SPELLS fixed because we need some more THE SPELLS that work....they said they were gonna do that with combat revamp and I'd rather all the classes be happy at once than them get fixed one at a time cause they would probably do scouts last :smileytongue:

[N2de]

<P>Then why fix any at all, the GREAT combat revamp will save our souls, make us rich and good looking.</P> <P>People still missing the point, we pay for a service. We paid for a game, the game was broken from the start. I would expect small mods in spells ect.. but to have things completely NOT work for this amount of time is compleatly LAME. </P> <DIV>And before all this is fixed $OE is going to release an <FONT size=2>expansion.</FONT></DIV>

[Armill]

Actually combat revamp is coming out before expansion...and why fix a spell that you have to change for the revamp anyways?

[Zevk]

N2deep if you think the game is sooo broken and its been broken from the start just stop playing and let us peoplpe be happy. otherwise stop your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]in and sit down. untill your hired by SOE to be a programer or your willing to write all the programs to fix everything in the game lay off. leave the game come back in 3 months when stuff has been fixed. if your not going to do anything positive be nice and do nothing at all damit

[Cuz]

<DIV>N2deep you must have a hard time come tax season...</DIV>