lol such a bad idea...*nods head*

[batter_then]

<div></div><div></div>- The respawn time on contested level 50+ epic encounters now has a wider window to allow more variance on when these encounters will reappear in the world. This will allow more guilds to have an opportunity to challenge them.<hr>ok um.... no one wants that... im sorry to say but realisitcally this is a bad idea... you are just making people camp for more of an extended period of time then they should have to... no one wants to stay up every waking second to wait for a spawn and call together a group when it does... c'mon SOE shrink the spawn times or at least maek it so they apear durring the normal play hours... this is one of the worst ideas i have honestly ever heard... please fix it so your not wasting all are time<div></div><p>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:42 PM</span>

[MaxLi]

Actually, some people DO want this.  More challenging (via competition), and gives those guild on different coasts (and parts of the world) to have the opportunity to take them down.  No more 'timer camping'.  Good move, SOE. <div></div>

[batter_then]

lol sounds liek someone doesnt raid...it wont be more challenging.. just the same old guildss otu there watching the same old spawns, most top guilds watch spawns 24 hours a day so in the end your just wasting there time... so good job... this game is mroe of a time sink then it allready was <div></div>

[MaxLi]

LOL!  I don't raid?  Yeah ... ummm ... <looks at his sig> ... okay. <div></div>

[Thesp]

<P>Actually, I for one have posted multiple times lately that this is something that should be done. What happens now is that guilds have mobs timed such that they know exactly when they're going to spawn and are formed up in zone before it ever pops. The mob lasts a total of 10 minutes before being taken down. This enables these select few guilds to monopolise content and prevent other guilds from ever getting a chance to take it down. Now maybe you want that, you and your guild love being able to monopolise content but that doesn't make for a good game on the whole.</P>

[batter_then]

<div></div>well no i was think more along the lines of spawns not being at 5am... thats whats killing off alot of the chances for otehr guilds... not manoloization. i admit thats part of the problem but there are otehr ways to look at it. plus sleep is my friend... i shouldnt stay up late everynight camping mobs... thats just dumb PS sarcasm on the raid thing=p learn to take a joke phhh <div></div><p>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:23 PM</span>

[MaxLi]

This week it may spawn at 5am ... next week it may be midnight ... the week after it may be 7pm ... followed by noon.  You never know when it could spawn.  I think that's the most fair for the community at large.  You may not get it this week, but next week could be perfect for you. <div></div>

[batter_then]

still 5 am is cutting into my sleep time... i would prefer it never to spawn at that itme and give my guild and otehr guilds a good shot at it when peopel are on <div></div>

[MaxLi]

<div></div>I bet the Euro, Aussi, and Asian guilds would enjoy it though.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Randomness > Static Surprises > Sameness <div></div><p>Message Edited by MaxLiao on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:33 PM</span>

[batter_then]

that they would and also the guild who have people call up the rest of the guild for spawns so its down in 5 minets anyway... kidna helping them actually <div></div>

[batter_then]

so mroe realitically more peopel would get chanses if the spawns were at mroe resonible times or soemthing <div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>so mroe realitically more peopel would get chanses if the spawns were at mroe resonible times or soemthing<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Reasonable is a relative term.  What's noon in New York is 9 am in San Diego, and it's sometome tomorrow afternoon in Japan.  Thing about online games is, they're global.  Maybe 5:00 am EST is inconvenient for you personally, but it's great for someone who's just gotten home from working the night shift in Boston, or who lives in Australia, or whatever.  Remember: it's always prime time somewhere.</DIV>

[batter_then]

well be resonible i mean apeal to the masses... spawns should go by a server by server bases... so say the german server who has mostly german people on it should have the spawns durring the german day and not at 5am... same goes for the rest of the servers... i understand that soem people play on the predominatly US servers but the server shouldnt set its spawns durring there times becouse people wont have a shot at the sapwns becouse thats at 5am which allmost no one is on durring the spawn... so by opening the window your not changing anything is my point... just wasting more time, which does not mean more fun <div></div>

[FamilyManFir]

<blockquote><hr>batter_then_u wrote:that they would and also the guild who have people call up the rest of the guild for spawns so its down in 5 minets anyway... kidna helping them actually <div></div><hr></blockquote>Possibly, batter, but I don't think it's a clear-cut as you make out.Sure, some guilds may have the people to camp a spawn 24/7 but will they have the members to assemble a 24-person raid available 24/7? Not to mention a raid that can take one of these down. These mobs are getting boosts to make them more difficult, too, remember.This sounds like a reasonable attempt to make contested mobs more available. There's no question that the previous timing played into the hands of those guilds who had worked it out. Making the timing tighter would only make it worse. Let's give this a chance and see what happens.The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head that they could do to make these contested mobs less subject to monopolization would be to make their spawn points more variable. Hard to camp a spawn when you don't know exactly where it will appear.

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>well be resonible i mean apeal to the masses... spawns should go by a server by server bases... so say the german server who has mostly german people on it should have the spawns durring the german day and not at 5am... same goes for the rest of the servers... i understand that soem people play on the predominatly US servers but the server shouldnt set its spawns durring there times becouse people wont have a shot at the sapwns becouse thats at 5am which allmost no one is on durring the spawn... so by opening the window your not changing anything is my point... just wasting more time, which does not mean more fun<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What you want is a mechanism that ensures mobs spawn during peak US timezone hours, however, narrowing the window of time does not accomplish that. The benefits from this change far outweight the few negatives. If a mob spawns at 5am and there is no one there to take it down, then it will stay up until someone does. However, if it spawns at 5 am and there is someone able to take it down, then obviously a 5am spawn time is not a problem. Guilds aren't going to stay up all night waiting for a spawn that may never come, even if there is a tracker out looking for it most guilds won't have the people ready to go. Also consider that US servers are also populated by aussies and asians, potentially there is a guild raiding at any given time on the server. So in that regards, there is no "bad" time for a mob to spawn.

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> i shouldnt stay up late everynight camping mobs... thats just dumb<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Nothing forces you to do this, if the mob isn't up, then go to bed and you'll see it up another day. If you stay up till 5am, then that is your choice and as dumb as it may be, you still choose it. You can let mobs go, you don't always have to be there waiting for it to spawn.</DIV>

[batter_then]

yes there is dont fool yourself... i know guilds that require phone numbers be givin to campers and when the mob spawns at 5am or whenever they call the entire guild... usually get 28 sum poeple on and take the mob... that manopolizes it right there <div></div>

[batter_then]

or i could complain and get the mob to spawn at more resonible hours so more guild other then just the ones that wake everyone up in the middle of the night have a chance at it... <div></div>

[Thesp]

<DIV>regardless, if they wanna call everyone to wake up at 5am then they're gonna do that anyways. Neither the old systems nor the new system ensured that mobs spawned in US primetime hours, what you're asking for is an entirely new mechanism that says "ok, mob X is due at 5am, but since it must spawn between 3pm and 9pm EST we'll have to change the time." I'd guess that most guilds do not have a phone tree like you describe, those guilds are likely the exception rather than the rule. Generally, even hardcore raiding/powergaming guilds are not that fanatical, some are but most aren't. But like I said earlier, even tho that situation may be an undesirable, the frequency at which it will happen does not outweigh the benefit of having random timers so spawns do not become monopolised (which evidently was rampant on most EQ2 servers, it certainly was on mine).</DIV>

[FamilyManFir]

<blockquote><hr>batter_then_u wrote:or i could complain and get the mob to spawn at more resonible hours so more guild other then just the ones that wake everyone up in the middle of the night have a chance at it... <div></div><hr></blockquote>If there are two or more guilds camping the mob, one whose members are awake and online (Asian or Austrailian guild perhaps) and others who have to call members to get them up, who's going to win the race to the mob? Probably those who are already up and in game.Sure, this variation might play into the hands of those guilds dedicated enough (monomaniacal enough?) to camp the spot 24/7 but it also might give a better shot for other guilds in other timezones. Wait and see. I don't think it's nearly so certain as you're portraying it.

[batter_then]

ok... the guild with the players who are on usually... still someone was argueing earlier that it wasnt fair to other guilds to manoloize spawns and i was just pointing out a controdiction in there arguement about how it was giving soem guilds advantages(btw. i have doen t5 raiding on 2 servers and bolth of them had there tops guilds on some system like this...well usually) anyway im just saying way the odds a little better in a set time... doesnt have to be much better... just a little so that way we can at least say well it might spawn soon with a little sertenty... and the main point of it is I LIKE SLEEP...IF I AM REQUIRED TO CAMP A MOB ALL NIGHT IM NOT HAPPY... thus i have grounds to complain... US servers should nto apiel to asian/australian players... they choose US servers at there own incanvience, no one told them too. there are usually servers for those time zones anyway... if SOE sees that there are enough players in a sertain region to add another server they do so till then they should not be helping out the minoreties but instead the majoreties... this doesnt apply to everything but here it should <div></div>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>batter_then_u wrote:<BR> I LIKE SLEEP...IF I AM REQUIRED TO CAMP A MOB ALL NIGHT IM NOT HAPPY...</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nothing requires you to camp all night, like I said earlier, its your choice to do so. You can just as easily log off and go to bed.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>US servers should nto apiel to asian/australian players... they choose US servers at there own incanvience, no one told them too. there are usually servers for those time zones anyway... if SOE sees that there are enough players in a sertain region to add another server they do so till then they should not be helping out the minoreties but instead the majoreties... this doesnt apply to everything but here it should<BR><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Currently there are no Asian/Australian dedicated servers like there is for Euro players. They have no choice but to play on US servers, therefore US servers must accomodate their timezones as well. Please get it through your head that there is more to the world than the US and that this is a globally marketed product.</DIV>

[batter_then]

<div></div>thought there were japanese servers i just checked... dude there are lots of foren servers... they are not forced onto the US servers... they have the choise... dont complain to my that they should be acomidated on US servers.. a better plan would be to give them there own server such as they did with multiple other contries...maybe take one of the horibly underpopulated US servers and turn it austrialian or something like that.. i know its unfair to the people on whatever server that is but...yaeh thats not very fair... a new server would probably be the best choice <div></div><p>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:19 PM</span>

[MaxLi]

<font color="#ffff00">and the main point of it is I LIKE SLEEP...IF I AM REQUIRED TO CAMP A MOB ALL NIGHT IM NOT HAPPY.</font> This isn't just affecting YOU ... and this is not about YOU.  This is affecting us all.  It give EVERYONE a more open shot at content.  Instead of <Guild A> knowing that [Mob A] is going to spawn a 6:57 pm and gathering forces at 6:30 pm because of this knowledge, they are going to have to scout it out like everyone else.  In no way is this a bad thing.  IF it spawns at 4 am and I'm sleeping, that's tough luck on me and/or my guild.  Real Life comes first.  If you (or someone else) can get together at that time to kill it, GRATZ!  Next time when it spawns at (let's say) 7 pm, I'll be up and have a crack at it again. <div></div>

[batter_then]

<div></div>ok how is it fair if guild A has the oportunity to take the mob becouse my body requires sleep.. and i knwo this is affecting alot of peopel so why not throw it to when the mass of plaers on... no set times just smallers windows liek 12 hours... not to long not to short and there is no garenty when a mob will spawn as of now so what if it spawns at 5am everyspawn for the next 12 months... what then? <div></div><p>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:26 PM</span>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> thought there were japanese servers<BR><BR>i just checked... dude there are lots of foren servers... they are not forced onto the US servers... they have the choise... dont complain to my that they should be acomidated on US servers.. a better plan would be to give them there own server such as they did with multiple other contries...maybe take one of the horibly underpopulated US servers and turn it austrialian or something like that.. i know its unfair to the people on whatever server that is but...yaeh thats not very fair... a new server would probably be the best choice<BR> <P>Message Edited by batter_then_u on <SPAN class=date_text>06-17-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:19 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There are only Euro servers, English, German and French. There are no Asian servers at this point in time. They may add some in the future or they may not, but until that time, their only option is to play on US servers.

[MaxLi]

<div></div><font color="#ffff00">what if it spawns at 5am everyspawn for the next 12 months... what then?</font> Then it does.  C'est la vie. <div></div><p>Message Edited by MaxLiao on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:39 PM</span>

[batter_then]

<div></div><font color="#ffff00">what if it spawns at 5am everyspawn for the next 12 months... what then?</font>Then it does.  C'est la vie.<hr>lol that it does but it dont mean i can complain about it and btw jappan is in asia right?http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/server.vm?serverId=401http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/server.vm?serverId=402<div></div>

[Iseabeil]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ffff00>what if it spawns at 5am everyspawn for the next 12 months... what then?</FONT><BR><BR>Then it does.  C'est la vie. <HR> lol that it does but it dont mean i can complain about it and btw jappan is in asia right?<BR><BR>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/server.vm?serverId=401<BR><BR>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/server.vm?serverId=402<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Language: <IMG src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/images/en/flags/ja_small.gif"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so all ppl in asia, like australians, speak japanese?</DIV> <DIV>personally, im on RP server as a european, there are no localized RP servers, they still are exacr same as US sercers tho.</DIV>

[batter_then]

never said that... just pointed out that there were servers focused on asia... if SOE feals nessesry to ad different contries/languages/regoins thats there choice... whine to them not me <div></div>

[Wickedr]

<DIV>Ok I never really post anything but I had to respond to this. First off, there is no need to be selfish about it and think that SOE should make the game fit you. Many people overseas like to meet others from around the globe, so they choose US servers as a way to communicate with others while enjoying a game. Also, making the spawns totally random is a very good way to make sure everyone can get a shot at it. If it only spawns during peak hours, that mob will be going down not 5 seconds after it pops. Doing that would still make it easy for guilds to watch it's spawn and keep camping it. Randomizing it will make them eventually get tired of watching for it. I mean come on, how many people have spent days trying to get the AC on EQ 1? You have to admit that the way he was a random spawn made you want to move on to something else. I give SOE props for this. I think it's a good idea and SOE is thinking of everyone, not just the US players. Being greedy and thinking that everything should be just for us isn't going to get you anywhere.</DIV>

[Mystiq]

<DIV>I personally like the idea of more staggered boss spawn times. If you happen to play on a server with more than one high end raiding guild, then you'd appreciate the uncertainty this change brings in - a welcome challenge- in light of every guild practically knowing exactly when named will spawn every day. Sure, camping a named is great when you're the ones that killed it last...you've got the best idea as to when to expect it the following week. I would much prefer a degree of uncertainty. Servers housing guilds composed of members in different time zones is something we're going to have to live with...you can't just sequester everyone off according to what span of time zones they live in, just to make it easier on you come time to gather and kill a named. How boring and watered down is that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Chog]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>lol sounds liek someone doesnt raid...it wont be more challenging.. just the same old guildss otu there watching the same old spawns, <FONT color=#ffff00>most top guilds watch spawns 24 hours a day so in the end your just wasting there time</FONT>... so good job... this game is mroe of a time sink then it allready was<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, am I the only one that thinks the highlighted portion of the post makes no sense?  If the guilds are watching the spawn "24 hours a day;" how is making a random spawn wasting the time fo the guild if they are already watching the spawn...<BR>

[batter_then]

all the spawns are on timers and this new patched open how long the timers are open.. so say i killed vision of vox on tusday it would not spawn for a week... then once the week was up it would spawn within a day. that would be its window, what this patch was is extend that window to sinstead of 1 day it would be 2 days or more. i was pointing out that guilds camp these mobs 24 7 allready durring the window periods and by having mobs spawning at 5 in the morning was basically hading over the mobs to these guild altimately defeating the purpus of the patch... just makes all the people who dont wait longer and them wait longer... so its just a big waste of time in the end... i am suggesting an hourly period durring the north american day that would have a chanse of spawning... this may last over many days but yaeh... they have a crazy idea that making the servers all foren is a good idea... just let them go on there own server <div></div>

[batter_then]

<div></div>Ok I never really post anything but I had to respond to this. First off, there is no need to be selfish about it and think that SOE should make the game fit you. Many people overseas like to meet others from around the globe, so they choose US servers as a way to communicate with others while enjoying a game. Also, making the spawns totally random is a very good way to make sure everyone can get a shot at it. If it only spawns during peak hours, that mob will be going down not 5 seconds after it pops. Doing that would still make it easy for guilds to watch it's spawn and keep camping it. Randomizing it will make them eventually get tired of watching for it. I mean come on, how many people have spent days trying to get the AC on EQ 1? You have to admit that the way he was a random spawn made you want to move on to something else. I give SOE props for this. I think it's a good idea and SOE is thinking of everyone, not just the US players. Being greedy and thinking that everything should be just for us isn't going to get you anywhere.<hr>ok this isnt strickly fitting me its the continet the servers were ment to be played on.  they may be "forced here" even tho there are foren servers whos times might be more fitting. these are perdominatally north american servers... SOE is a buessness no reson to apiel to different continets. they want to play here they should have to adept not to the expence of the masses... call me greedy but i honestly dont care... take your "greed" up with SOE and give them there own danm server if you care so much=p<div></div>

[alykat4]

<span><blockquote><hr>batter_then_u wrote:all the spawns are on timers and this new patched open how long the timers are open.. so say i killed vision of vox on tusday it would not spawn for a week... then once the week was up it would spawn within a day. that would be its window, what this patch was is extend that window to sinstead of 1 day it would be 2 days or more. i was pointing out that guilds camp these mobs 24 7 allready durring the window periods and by having mobs spawning at 5 in the morning was basically hading over the mobs to these guild altimately defeating the purpus of the patch... just makes all the people who dont wait longer and them wait longer... so its just a big waste of time in the end... i am suggesting an hourly period durring the north american day that would have a chanse of spawning... this may last over many days but yaeh... they have a crazy idea that making the servers all foren is a good idea... just let them go on there own server <div></div><hr></blockquote>or maybe, Sony should just make a batter_then_u server? Then, the spawns could no longer be contested, the game could be just one big instanced zone. Sorry, but for whatever reason, not just people in north america, play on "our" servers and as long as they are paying their monthly fees, they have just a much right to that 5am spawn as you do...they could say the same thing to contradict your argument, they need sleep too...they have to work...they go to school... As for "just let them go on there own server"? As long as they pay for it, any server is thEIR own server.</span><div></div>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> so say i killed vision of vox on tusday it would not spawn for a week... then once the week was up it would spawn within a day. that would be its window, what this patch was is extend that window to sinstead of 1 day it would be 2 days or more. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I would not assume this is how it will work. They could very well make it possible that the mob spawns earlier rather than later. For example, instead of the mob spawning exactly 7 days later (or 7.5 days) it could now have a +/- 48 hours, thus making the spawn window 5 - 9 days after being killed last. You have a period of 4 days where it can spawn at any moment, do you really think guilds are going to sit there for 4 days straight? No, they wont and thus it will make getting to a contested mob spawn much more of a reality for everyone on the server.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not saying that's for certain how it will work, because quite frankly, MG didn't give us any kind of specifics (and its probably just as well). But my point is to say that there are other possibilities and if your whole arguement this whole time has been based on how you assumed it would work, then maybe you might want to sit back and see how things pan out.</DIV>

[batter_then]

guilds do wait around for these mobs.. i have seen people wait for veneker for over 3 days <div></div>

[batter_then]

btw i would play the better_then_u server... would be the best in the game <div></div>

[Keegant]

<DIV>Batter than U, Your OP said that noone wanted this change. Why is it then that you are the only one speaking up, while there is a thread of people here disagreing with you? Do you not read the forems? This has been a hot topic for awhile now, with ALOT of people calling for this change and very few, like yourself, opposing it. The simple fact is that alot of people want this change and the only ones hurt by this change are a few of the uber guilds that time spawns to shut out the up ang coming guilds, so that they are the only ones to kill the raid mobs. this change actually gives someone else a chance. If that chance happens to be a 5am then so be it. Now that guild has gotten a chance to expierence something new, somthing they would have never gotten due to the ubers shutting them out, under the old system. That and just because your prime time is 7-12, doesnt mean that that is someone elses primetime. I live in EST, but I usually play from 12-6am, as this is when I am home and awake.<BR></DIV>

[Wickedr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> alykat419 wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR>all the spawns are on timers and this new patched open how long the timers are open.. so say i killed vision of vox on tusday it would not spawn for a week... then once the week was up it would spawn within a day. that would be its window, what this patch was is extend that window to sinstead of 1 day it would be 2 days or more. i was pointing out that guilds camp these mobs 24 7 allready durring the window periods and by having mobs spawning at 5 in the morning was basically hading over the mobs to these guild altimately defeating the purpus of the patch... just makes all the people who dont wait longer and them wait longer... so its just a big waste of time in the end... i am suggesting an hourly period durring the north american day that would have a chanse of spawning... this may last over many days but yaeh... they have a crazy idea that making the servers all foren is a good idea... just let them go on there own server<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>or maybe, Sony should just make a batter_then_u server? Then, the spawns could no longer be contested, the game could be just one big instanced zone. Sorry, but for whatever reason, not just people in north america, play on "our" servers and as long as they are paying their monthly fees, they have just a much right to that 5am spawn as you do...they could say the same thing to contradict your argument, they need sleep too...they have to work...they go to school...<BR><BR>As for "just let them go on there own server"? As long as they pay for it, any server is thEIR own server.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>batter_then_u server? [Removed for Content] that was funny, but I do agree with you. They pay to play this game just like we do so they deserve a chance at these mobs just as much as we do.  And about the comment of SOE being a businees. Yes, they are a business...a global business, so therefor they need to work with everyone, not just you. They are making money from people in Japan and Europe and everywhere else. They are customers also and therefor they deserve just as much attention as we do. We all have lives and can't be on at all times, so spreading out the spawn time is the only way to give everyone a chance. I'm on the east coast and I play more around 5am than I do around 5pm. Just because your sleeping schedule is one way, doesn't mean you can speak for everyone else. If a mob spawns when I can't get on for 5 months, so be it. I know it will spawn around my time eventually. I can be patient with it and not expect sony to work just for me. You never know, it could spawn at 5pm for 5 months. I am surprised that so many people are for this, though. I will admit I figured more people would be greedy and want it all to work for them. You all proved me wrong, it's nice to see that almost everyone understands why Sony is doing this. All you have to do is be a little patient, and you will get a shot at whatever mob you want. If it spawns at the same time every time you might as well kiss that shot goodbye because the mob would be gone before you even got a buff up.<BR>

[Macross_JR]

batter, for someone in the US, your spelling sucks.  you sure you are an american?  go back to school man. <div></div>

[alykat4]

<span><blockquote><hr>Macross_JR wrote:batter, for someone in the US, your spelling sucks.  you sure you are an american?  go back to school man. <div></div><hr></blockquote>he needs sleep, can't you read? <span>:smileywink:</span></span><div></div>