MODIFY BBC QUEST PLEASE

[rul]

<DIV>Well. Update patch today, fixing some minor issues. That's Good.</DIV> <DIV>But SoE still don't want to heard us about BBC.</DIV> <DIV>How many people have yet said that they would like BBC quest modified.</DIV> <DIV>So please dear Devs, listen to us.Modify the BBC , removing the use of the Ebon Cluster.</DIV> <DIV>That's not asking to much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>

[Dagsxx]

<DIV>Leave the quest alone.  At least something is hard to achieve.  The game has been watered down enough as it is.</DIV>

[Quinl]

The quest is already fairly easy... go kill 2 mobs, reforge sword with the elusive ebon cluster, kill 1000 sentient mobs (this took all of three hours solo) and then kill the end mob.  None of the mobs are terribly hard, you can kill low level greys (a friend and I were killing them so fast we weren't even getting all the updates lol)  I see no reason to REMOVE the ebon cluster at all.  All the other heritage quests that had thier items replaced are either lower level, and the item loses it's value at some point or another as you level, or are more involved.  The very MOST I think they should do is maybe allow the rare T5 substitutes to be used (bent ebon disk, etc...)  But removing it completely?  You may as well be able to go up to an NPC, say "hi, gimme my BBC", and have them hand it to you...

[CrimsonPetal]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#6666ff size=3>How's about adding the ability to use an Ebon Coin or Ebon Disk, instead of just an Ebon Cluster.  It is far easier to come across the coin and disk than just a cluster.  Just a thought.  :smileyhappy:</FONT>

[Iseabeil]

<DIV>change the 1k sentients to be forced to be non grey, and remove the need of ebon cluster and it should be a somewhat balanced change. killing 1k sentients that are at least some challenge takes some time, thus making a rather big timesink, as ye cant go back home during that part, it should be properly annoyin to replace the annoyance of relyin on luck in harvesting. raw rares should be for crafting and crafting quests, not adventure quests.</DIV>

[rul]

<P>I totaly agree with you Isea, remooving the ebon but making the 1k skellie White should really balance the quest. and nobody can say that killing this 1k mobs will be a 4 hours work.</P>

[Platfing]

<DIV>The weapon is NOT worth an ebon in my opinion, at least now with the stats of the weapon.  The ebon certainly would be better used upgrading armor (which a tank needs more than a weapon anyway).  If it were 1HS, well then it would be worth it.  It's hell to harvest a cluster and they go for 3PP+ on many servers, so is that considered worth it for a weapon that procs lower damage than an imbued fulginate (and that is assuming you even have an SOT to strike)?   </DIV>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Platfinger wrote:<BR> <DIV>The weapon is NOT worth an ebon in my opinion, at least now with the stats of the weapon.  The ebon certainly would be better used upgrading armor (which a tank needs more than a weapon anyway).  If it were 1HS, well then it would be worth it.  It's hell to harvest a cluster and they go for 3PP+ on many servers, so is that considered worth it for a weapon that procs lower damage than an imbued fulginate (and that is assuming you even have an SOT to strike)?   </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not to mention the fact that the heritage quests are a big source of guild status and a furniture item. While I have no objection to them being useful, I also don't think they should be the best of whatever class of item they are. I haven't been doing the heritage quests because something like a Polished Granite Tomahawk is USEFUL to my fury....she'll just hang it on her wall. The allure for me is the guild status and the nifty house item, and the connection to EQ One, which I played for over five years. On the other hand, ebon is used for what is arguably the best armor plate classes can achieve in the current game and palladium is one of the components used for tier 3 spells. It truly hurt to use one of the only two palladiums I've harvested in four months of harvesting in TS for that useless green torque to be eaten by the quest. Ebon should not be 3-4 times the price of all other rares of that tier, nor should palladium. Raise the bar in some other way, I think the notion of requiring all the mobs you kill for both the PGT and the BBC to be blue or higher is a fine one. Seems kind of [Removed for Content] to me to go to the Down Below or Stormhold to kill 100 extremely grey newbie skellies for the PGT. I'm sure killing the 1000 grey sentients is equally [Removed for Content].</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 32 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore<BR></P>

[Yennik]

<DIV>I would rather the quest have you kill a lvl 50 x4 mob than have you spend 5hrs of BORING harvesting, or spend 5hrs of plat farming to buy one.... </DIV> <DIV>but that's just me</DIV>

[Syanis]

<P>I'd have to say leave it as is. Stop watering down the game to make everything easy. And to those who say its not worth an Ebon Cluster.... Ebon Clusters are not "worth" anything but what the demand makes of them and the greed of some. Ebon Clusters value is far lower then what people sell it for, solution.... find your own. What players value an item at shouldn't matter to if it goes in a quest or not. Look at the sword of thunder quest drop.... I've seen peeps trying to sell that at 50gp-1p. Is it worth that? Should it be removed from being a prerequisite quest since people are now valueing it far higher then its real worth?</P> <P> </P> <P>Nother instance on value. Glimmering Tooth which is the newer uncommon rare for manastone people are charging 50gp for easily while a Glowing Flower is valued at a mere 2-5gp. Is this a reasonable price for it or people being greedy? Its all about supply VS Demand and Ease. Is this right? Not gonna get into what I think on that but its how it works whether you like it or not.</P>

[Kegofbud]

  It's not a question of making the quest easier IMO. It's a question of making things more balanced as far as Ebon armor and weapon users are concerned. Currently,Cedar can be had for shields and weapons for 40g. Superior Pelts can be had for 25g for use on light armor. Figwart can be had for 45g for very light armor. Ebon is 3-4p. Most classes can outfit their entire set of legendary armor for less then a medium or heavy class can get 1 piece. There is a large imbalance there for scouts, healers and tanks. If the only arguement for keeping ebon involved in the quest is to keep it "hard" then make a new drop used for it or drop the rate of luminous stones and use that. That argument doesn't hold up when it doesn't have to be ebon that is rare for the quest, anything could be. I don't consider using an ebon as making a quest harder, just expensive. The only people who need the BBC are tanks who are already taxed with finding 7 pieces of ebon for their armor anyway. Expensive does not equate to challenging. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: In the end, it doesn't really affect me anyway since I already have all I needed but I still see it as crazy to have rares for other classes legendary armor be sooo much cheaper then ebon. I don't find this "watering the game down" by medium and heavy armor wearers havigbn the same type of costs to outfit themselves as other classes. If you want this to cost a lot, fine. Just find something to drive up the demand on pelts and roots so that others are getting charged for the same amount. Finding an ebon cluster obviously can be done, but I myself have harvested 2 pieces in months of harvesting in Feerrott. I can't imagine completing a set at that rate without buying some.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kegofbud on <span class=date_text>05-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:58 AM</span>

[Rizzen19]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kegofbud wrote:<BR>   It's not a question of making the quest easier IMO. It's a question of making things more balanced as far as Ebon armor and weapon users are concerned. Currently,Cedar can be had for shields and weapons for 40g. Superior Pelts can be had for 25g for use on light armor. Figwart can be had for 45g for very light armor. Ebon is 3-4p. Most classes can outfit their entire set of legendary armor for less then a medium or heavy class can get 1 piece. There is a large imbalance there for scouts, healers and tanks. If the only arguement for keeping ebon involved in the quest is to keep it "hard" then make a new drop used for it or drop the rate of luminous stones and use that. That argument doesn't hold up when it doesn't have to be ebon that is rare for the quest, anything could be. I don't consider using an ebon as making a quest harder, just expensive. The only people who need the BBC are tanks who are already taxed with finding 7 pieces of ebon for their armor anyway. Expensive does not equate to challenging. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: In the end, it doesn't really affect me anyway since I already have all I needed but I still see it as crazy to have rares for other classes legendary armor be sooo much cheaper then ebon. I don't find this "watering the game down" by medium and heavy armor wearers havigbn the same type of costs to outfit themselves as other classes. If you want this to cost a lot, fine. Just find something to drive up the demand on pelts and roots so that others are getting charged for the same amount. Finding an ebon cluster obviously can be done, but I myself have harvested 2 pieces in months of harvesting in Feerrott. I can't imagine completing a set at that rate without buying some.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Kegofbud on <SPAN class=date_text>05-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Good point. That was the only reason it was changed for the other HQ's .. because all this "requirement" did was hurt people who wanted to use these items for their main purpose .. crafting. Why change some and not change all?

[Platfing]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ashlian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Not to mention the fact that the heritage quests are a big source of guild status and a furniture item. While I have no objection to them being useful, I also don't think they should be the best of whatever class of item they are. I haven't been doing the heritage quests because something like a Polished Granite Tomahawk is USEFUL to my fury....she'll just hang it on her wall. The allure for me is the guild status and the nifty house item, and the connection to EQ One, which I played for over five years. On the other hand, ebon is used for what is arguably the best armor plate classes can achieve in the current game and palladium is one of the components used for tier 3 spells. It truly hurt to use one of the only two palladiums I've harvested in four months of harvesting in TS for that useless green torque to be eaten by the quest. Ebon should not be 3-4 times the price of all other rares of that tier, nor should palladium. Raise the bar in some other way, I think the notion of requiring all the mobs you kill for both the PGT and the BBC to be blue or higher is a fine one. Seems kind of [Removed for Content] to me to go to the Down Below or Stormhold to kill 100 extremely grey newbie skellies for the PGT. I'm sure killing the 1000 grey sentients is equally [Removed for Content].</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 32 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well, to each their own but you seriously will spend 3 PP on an ebon cluster (or use an item worth 3 PP) for status points/a sword to hang on your wall?  Wow - tailors must be more profitable than I imagined.  It all comes down to risk/time vs reward.  This quest is WAY out of wack for what you get in my opinion.<BR>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well, to each their own but you seriously will spend 3 PP on an ebon cluster (or use an item worth 3 PP) for status points/a sword to hang on your wall?  Wow - tailors must be more profitable than I imagined.  It all comes down to risk/time vs reward.  This quest is WAY out of wack for what you get in my opinion.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, I seriously WON'T spend 3pp :smileywink: That's approximately half the money I've made in EQ in six months, and I'd much rather buy five cedar barstools for my pad. I guess I was unclear in that last post, the point I was trying to make is that I'm willing to spend inconvenient and annoying amounts of time and effort on heritage quests to hang on my wall, but I'm not willing to spend an additional ridiculous amount of time and effort doing nothing but harvesting or grinding in some way for money in order to complete the quest. That takes the quest beyond the level at which I find enjoyment in doing it just for the sake of doing it. Most of the other heritage items are not the top of the line as far as equipment goes, at least not past a certain level, and I think all of them should be like that. That some people are willing to spend so much money for a marginal improvement is what's really out of whack. To me, the ability to simply throw money at a quest does not mean your effort is worth more than someone willing to invest time and effort in other ways. </P> <P>And it's a fact that I know people who have harvested more than one ebon doing nothing but harvesting as they run between dungeons and groups. The luck factor reigns supreme if you try to get this through harvesting on your own. I don't focus my playstyle on making money, nor do I wish to, and I don't think that should limit me from finishing a heritage quest. Neither should I have to spend three months trying to get the rare harvest when all the other heritage quests but PGT use an uncommon (PGT shouldn't require a rare, either). At any rate, this should not be the best gear, that should be reserved for those uber l887 raiding people, and that's fine with me. There's an imbalance between all of the uses for ebon as compared to all of the uses for other tier 5 rares, and that's what most of us would like to see corrected.</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 32 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore</P>

[WuphonsReach]

- PGT doesn't use a rare anymore either, it was changed to use a T3 Sparkling Flower.- Manastone switched from rare T4 pelt to uncommon T4 Glimmering Tooth.- Stein of Mogguk switched from rare T4 opal to uncommon T4 Glimmering Stone.The BBC quest does need to (in my opinion) change to use a T5 Luminous Stone. It's the last of the 'crafting' HQs that still requires a rare harvest instead of an uncommon harvest. It puts a lot of pressure on Ebon Cluster prices, just like you saw with Severed Fir / Rough Opal prior to the changes. All the arguments here about difficulty were also used back when it was proposed that PGT/Manastone/Stein were going to be changed over to use the new uncommon harvests. The prices for Glimmering Tooths reflect the reality of harvesting. Everyone chases the stone/ore nodes, nobody wants to bother with the dens. Plus, Teeth only drop off a single node, while Flowers drop off of 3 different nodes and Stones drop off of two nodes.

[Inoran]

yes indeed, the ebon cluster should be replaced with a substitute, also rare or uncommon Becaus prices are insane on the ebon clusters i'll give you an example I have a lvl  50 palie now, my friend had a lvl 48 Fury at the moment the difference between me and him, is that he's wearing almost full legendary gear (leftside) and i don't have any yet. although i have investe much more time in harvesting then he does, it payed off, i got an ebon cluster But guess what, i needed that for the BBC heritage quest, so that left me with again, no legendary item me and my 2 best friends made a pact, untill everybody has his items fully legendary, we will give eatchotters rares friend y needs rare roots, the fury i mentioned needs rare pelts, and i need ebon clusters. now who do you think has the worst end of this? Becaus yes, they said the would use the ebon first on their heritage quest( i can't blame them for that), So i'm [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed, becaus i will never get that legendary full equip unless i harvest all 7 myself, which is insane <font size="5">Change it so that BBC does not require an ebon, IT IS NOT FAIR to those that need it for their armor, NOT FAIR at all !!! <font size="3">just my 2 cents (euhm eurocents) Sincerely ps: if you do change it, make it that i , and all others who allready used their ebon, get the ebon back, i'm sure this can be done easily, by the /claim system or something </font></font><div></div>

[Kaknya]

The only one's you have to blame for the high prices of ebon are your fellow players. Changing this to another rare will only drop the prices slightly lower, or keep them about he same for ebon, since the botters and such know they still have a nitch market, and skyrocket the price of the new rare. In my opinion nothing should be sold for more then a plat. and i will be lucky if i ever buy anything for more then a couple of gold. heh.. Think the most ive ever had on me at one time was 10 gold.. Figure I give eq2 about a year or two before the people that came on to see how much money they could amass, and how many people they can rip off get bored and leave for something else. Then things might start evening out a little. <div></div>

[WuphonsReach]

Luminous stones are pretty common on the broker and will remain common on the broker (even after the suggested change), for one basic reason:Everyone will still be harvesting stones/ore, either for rare gems (rhod/ruby) or the rare metal (ebon). You can see this effect with the price of Glimmering Stones for the Stein quest. Often, Glimmering Stones are the cheapest of the T4 uncommons because there are so many of them on the market.

[Yennik]

<DIV>Add a new very rare random drop to all heroric ^^ mobs in every t5 zone called "an ebon shard".  Change the BBC quest to use the new ebon shard, rather than the standard ebon cluster used in crafting of heavy and med armor.  Now everyone will be happy.  It will still be very rare and "hard" to get, and the rare t5 crafted heavy and med armor will be more in line with the prices of the light and very light armor.  How hard could it be for SOE to do?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ir]

<DIV>(this took all of three hours solo)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you can kill low level greys (a friend and I were killing them so fast we weren't even getting all the updates lol) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so did you do it solo or with a friend? i am confused</DIV>

[Quinl]

<DIV>it took me three hours solo, I helped a buddy and like I said, the updates were coming so fast he said that he had to be missing some.  He was still getting on screen updates for about 15 minutes after his journal had actually shown that he had gotten his 1000</DIV>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WuphonsReach wrote:<BR>- PGT doesn't use a rare anymore either, it was changed to use a T3 Sparkling Flower.<BR>- Manastone switched from rare T4 pelt to uncommon T4 Glimmering Tooth.<BR>- Stein of Mogguk switched from rare T4 opal to uncommon T4 Glimmering Stone.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, too many heritage quests going at the moment. I meant palladium for Glowing Black Stone, rather than PGT. That actually hurt me more than losing an ebon would, as I could have used that for an Adept 3, whereas none of my current characters wear plate or chain. No heritage quest should use a rare, period.</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 35 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore<BR></P>

[Pheeb]

let me use it instead of the ultra rare ebon which cost at least 2.5p on most servers... <div></div>

[WuphonsReach]

Ah... I forgot about the Palladium Torque. Which is another one that needs to be changed to use an uncommon harvest. Add a special "sparkling torque" recipe that requires the sparkling stone from tier 3.(Tosses another 'to do' item in the /feedback bin.)

[Zoradan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dagsxx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Leave the quest alone.  At least something is hard to achieve.  The game has been watered down enough as it is.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree, and I have the EBBC.</P> <P>Leave it alone.</P>

[darkshm]

<div></div>Well clearly some kid will be one-starring me for *gasp* disagreeing with him, but I agree that the cost is fine.  It's steep but hey it's a heritage quest, they're supposed to be enough effort to be memorable - not to mention the status. As for killing 1,000 non-grey mobs, I'd really (personally) dislike that.  That might work for a high DPS class, but trust me when I say (as a priest) that 1,000 grey mobs is more than enough.  Although if you disagree with me, I still won't one-star ninja you.  ;P <div></div><p>Message Edited by darkshmoo on <span class=date_text>05-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 PM</span>

[Ashlian]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkshmoo wrote:<BR> Well clearly some kid will be one-starring me for *gasp* disagreeing with him, but I agree that the cost is fine.  It's steep but hey it's a heritage quest, they're supposed to be enough effort to be memorable - not to mention the status.<BR><BR>As for killing 1,000 non-grey mobs, I'd really (personally) dislike that.  That might work for a high DPS class, but trust me when I say (as a priest) that 1,000 grey mobs is more than enough.  Although if you disagree with me, I still won't one-star ninja you.  ;P<BR> <P>Message Edited by darkshmoo on <SPAN class=date_text>05-29-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:39 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I simply don't think it should come down to money vs other effort. It's a lot easier for some to get money depending on what they focus on. But the fact remains that they switched out the cost for other heritage quests to non rares so that there was not this competition where you were forced to choose between rare tradeskilled items and a heritage item. No other rare has the demands placed on it that ebon does. I'm not arguing for something that requires less effort, I'm arguing that the effort shouldn't be counting on an extremely rare harvest or taking half the money I've earned in six months to purchase one. I don't even think this heritage should be the best of it's class in the game. Raided gear should arguably be the best. Heritage quests, to me, are something I do for a decent item with a fond memory attached from my days in EQ One.....and the chance to put a nifty house item in my room later, if I use the item at the time I get it. The heritage quests should all be reasonably similar in effort for their level, and this one is way off the bell curve.</P> <P>Ashlian Liadan, 36 Fury, 32 Tailor of Mistmoore</P> <P>I don't one star people just for disagreeing, though =) I still kind of wonder about the person who one starred me for suggesting we could bribe the devs with cookies and coffee to get them to fix bugs......joke, it was a joke!<BR></P>

[Shayne74]

I agree that no heritage shoul duse a rare. I do them solely for saying I did it. I don't need the item and have a ton of crap in my place already and the price to buy 1 is just outrageous. Sure I can try and harvest my own....I have yet to get a rare other than a pelt all others i have gotten are uncommons that sell for a few SP at most and have spent many many hours harvesting my other char is a scholar also and pretty sad when after 4 months of play he still can't make a spell with his own harvested materials as can harvest till my eyes no longer stay open and get nothing more than stuff to hit the delete button for.

[Yennik]

<DIV>make the quest harder for all we care, make it require the death of a 55x4 mob that only spawns 1 time per month, that would be fine with me.  Most are not asking to make the quest EZ.  We just don't want it to use ebon!!  </DIV>