Problems with Bragging in the EQ2 community.

[Shennr]

<DIV>I have read the Rules of Conduct very careful, trying to make sure this thread gets its point across.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><SPAN>Not personally attacking any individual</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Not a duplicate</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>It deals with the subject matter as it entails EQ2 related business.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>No discussions of RL matters like </SPAN>(age, location, pictures, name, etc).<SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Can’t be deleted because there are no personal threats, sexist, racist, or spamming</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Not off topic as it deals with FoH’s existence within the testing community.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>Furthermore, </SPAN>It is not a flamewar (meaning it contains useless argument with little purpose beyond self-perpetuating.) There is a purpose for these arguments as it deals with the whole EQ2 community. Obviously it’s a big concern to a number of people.</P> <P> </P> <P>I have counted numerous posts only by FoH members of them bragging. Then they use the information that they have given to help bulster their ideas that they are the best and are the only one's fit for testing.</P> <P> </P> <P>Here are some of the posts that I have found. It took me a while to read through all 6 locked threads. the 7th was deleted early morning so couldn't get to that:</P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>The fact of the matter is for the week or two they switched up the raid content dynamics about a month ago, you died and we lived.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ccffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ccffff size=3>a note about the whole server first for curing the plague, Archael didn't start the quest untill after it had been cured on a different server and the whole quest was posted.  He folllowed what was posted and 3 days later we cured it.  big deal whoohoo we got a server first and he got a title.  But guess what HE is the one who put in the time and effort that no one else on the server did and we are the one's who went and owned thaen not once but twice because of the wonderful timing of that server downage at 10pm when thaen was at 2%.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ccffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>And about the people saying why wasn't out guild moved.....at the time this happened (about a month before bloodlines went live), there were not many guilds that had completed most of the raid content in the game.  Sure, by now every guild has killed everything under the sun, but back then, there were only a handful that completed most if not all the raid content in the game.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ccffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Here is a quick way of summing it all up, for all you other uber guilds out there who wished it was them who tested this and not FoH, lets answer some easy questions. OK amount of raiding done in game - check. Amount of time spent honing toons to work well using different statagies - check. Amount of ACTUAL testing experience you have- ooo shame thats the biggie right there.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>SOE already has a guild who is experienced and knows how to do it, why bother asking another guild to do it when they might not know how to test content or need extra time to learn how and thus add a delay to the release of the content?</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Moreover, and trust me when I say this, we would have the same server firsts with or without having tested the raid content.  We have always killed every mob we have encountered the same night we first fight it.   Heck, I remember when Vox was doing 8000 aoe damage and no guild could kill it.  It was bugged and was instant death for everyone for a few weeks back in February(?).   We killed it on our second attempt.  Other guilds didnt even try it as they knew it would be an utter waste of their time</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Also, we have killed Cursed with 10 peeps before he was nerfed.   And on both occasions we hadn't tested either encounter.    It wouldn't have made a difference.   So to say we get a leg up on everybody is pointless and untrue.  FoH killed Venekor first on PF and had never tested it before, and killed it the first night. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Every encounter we have fought in this game wouldn't have changed had we not been on test.  In fact, truth be told, we would probably be even better without being on test since sometimes when we killed a mob on test we might take the encounter for granted in live server and not focus or concentrate as much.  </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>First, it isn't necessary right now for FoH to gather 24 chars to kill any mob in game.   Every mob can be killed with 18 or less. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>But our membership still has the best players in game in my opinion.   I have no doubt on that.  I have played almost every MMORPG there is.  Been in the "uber guilds" and can honestly say that FoH has always had dedicated, intelligent, very skillful, and disciplined players.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff> FoH has and will always have the ranking as a top guild.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>You all have to remember FOH only recruits hardcore, serious, skillful players. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>In fact, I logged in last night for the simple reason of soloing a lvl 50 double up grouped mob and then soloing Iceberg and Tundra Jack(x2).  I am a lvl 50 Wizard.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>There was a time when Krathuk and Zalak and others spawned numerous adds, uncontrollably, unlimited in number, and neither Atro....., or any other guild on our server could kill them,...except us.  </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>There was a time when Darathar was difficult.  FoH killed him the first night.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>The line for separation amongst the guilds is not there right now.   But at every turn when a line can be drawn, FoH is always at the top.  Atrocious and other guilds can act like they keep up at those moments, but they know they don't. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><FONT color=#ccffff><SPAN>Time will help cure that.  But for now, guilds want to brag about keeping up with AL and FoH, as if it is some uber achievement especially considering the low level of difficulty in killing raid mobs and expecially considering that it shouldn't matter what FoH or </SPAN><SPAN>AL</SPAN><SPAN> does or kills or whether you can do it too.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Any guild in this game can gather enough peeps to kill any mob any time.  Its too easy.   Does FoH sit at the computer waiting for Nagalik to spawn?  No.  Why?  The challenge isnt there. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Everyone should just play the game for fun, do the best they can, and not defeat mobs for the sake of saying "FoH killed it, and so did we.....ergo we are awesome."   In time, the top guilds will set themselves apart.  Have no doubt my friends.   </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>..........brag if you must about keeping up with FoH, denouce their ranking among the top guilds, but remember it isn't so terribly difficult right now to keep up  .  When it was difficult, .......very few did, ........and in time, very few will.  </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ccffff>Oh and yes I am sure the dev's know some people in FoH I mean when your one of the top guilds in eq1 for 5 years and a top guild in eq2 since it went live you tend to get looked at by the dev's.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P></P> <P> </P> <P>That might not be all and some are more geared toward my topic then others. First of all isn't the test server there to help inform people about bugs and to improve upon the game? None of these posts above are needed and I would have to say that some ego is being played into this. I too have done some but at least I leave out guild names, and sometimes I dont even define achievements.</P> <P> </P> <P>Is this a good community of players to be playing with? Maybe, maybe not. It is no doubt that they are a good guild. They should never lose the respect for the hard achievements that they have done. But what about the rest of the community on other servers. Are they to be left out when many have performed the exact same lvls as FoH? Some guilds may have had a rough start like members leaving their guild and thus needing to fill back in the ranks.</P> <P> </P> <P>For a guild that is trusted to be put into the testing community they should have honor but be wise about how you use this honor.</P> <P> </P> <P>I hope this thread does not get locked as I have spent time going over and over checking through to see if it violates the Rules of Conduct. If it is however banned then maybe the last post was true. I wont go into detail as it would ban this post as well.</P> <P> </P></DIV>

[Amise]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>This is silly and has no relevance to the test server or the testing process.    They are testing content, not undergoing personality tests.    How on earth is it relevant to testing that a level 50 whatever mentions logging on and soloing TJ?   <div></div><p>Message Edited by Amise on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 AM</span>

[Shennr]

<P>It does have relevance to the test server as we all know FoH has been selected amongst all the guilds on the live servers to be put into the test server. Not only do they identify with the Live servers but they also Identify with the Testing in the testing community. When they bring over their data to the testing forums and along with it put up these claims then that is where my argument comes from.</P> <P>Flamming goes with going nowhere with an argument for a while and leads to discounting remarks and just quoting things back and forth. This however is a slightly different topic and has yet to be discussed. It draws my attention as it does attain to me and many others.</P> <P>I would also wish that you would not post again on this thread as you are only trying to get it locked. ty</P>

[Ci]

I've heard of whinners but someone give this girl a trophy shes #1 in my book. <DIV><FONT color=#6633ff>Shennron</FONT> can i get your autograph at the fanfair?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg"></DIV><p>Message Edited by Cias on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:13 AM</span>

[LuckyPSD]

I am sorry but what is the point of this post? Is it because you are jealous of something else which gets every other thread locked so you start a new thread to bash them? FoH are a decent guild who have broke no rules and have done nothing wrong, your justifacation for this post is what exactly? How about you move on from this and get over it and start playing your own game rather than how some one else is playing theirs. <div></div>

[Shennr]

<P>Am I bashing in this thread? No. I am brining up a problem as the title of my post has said. If you are against the post and agree that these statements are inline then do go ahead and tell me more about your thoughts.</P> <P>I don't want this to be a war, however, I will be reporting people who abuse forum rules.</P> <p>Message Edited by Shennron on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 AM</span>

[Culann Heartsto]

<P>While I agree the OP's post is a lil pointless..the answer to the whole debacle regarding FoH can be pretty much summed up in 1 word.</P> <P>Morality.</P> <P>Lack or excess of it.  Everyone has their own opinions, so you decide which way the blade swings.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Ci]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shennron wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG>I have read the Rules of Conduct very careful, trying to make sure this thread gets its point across.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P></P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Good, dont cry when you receive a 3day ban.</P> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shennron wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><STRONG> It took me a while to read through all <U>6 locked threads</U>. the <U>7th was deleted</U> early morning so couldn't get to that</STRONG>:</P> <P> </P></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Then you say:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> Shennron wrote:<BR> <DIV><SPAN>Can’t be deleted because there are no personal threats, sexist, racist, or <STRONG>spamming</STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=7></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=7>YOU ARE SPAMMING BY POSTING THIS GARBAGE!!!!</FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>

[IvIoritu]

<DIV>i love the exuse that your guild had to fill in its ranks because people left.  thats wonderful i needs a good laugh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ok lets look at FoH's roster when the game came out.  we had i think something like 7 or 8 of the 16 firsts to 50 game wide with maybe 3 2nds 3rds and 4ths.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lets look at the roster now.  of that core 20 or so people we started with let me count, mmm about 4-5 still play with any regularity.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>did this turn over rate hold us back, well you've seen the firsts  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as for what ever your trying to say about us bragging about what we've done  A. thats what the end game is about, thats what drives us.  B. all this "bragging" really is just us defending against your and others attacks.  do you see us posting everytime we do something no people in the high end know when things get done and by who,  we dont need to go swinging our swords around on forums like this.  we do it on our personal webpages and forums and in tells with each other. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>having said that i really dont undertand what you are trying to say with your post,  that we brag about our accomplishments.  ummmm ok guilty as charged.   is thier anything wrong with that i dont think so.  did i cry and whine when NPU toted thier game first summoner kill, no, i said grats.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i would say more but im actually getting tired of trying to explain that the small amount of testing we've done gives us no advantage over other guilds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mord</DIV>

[Shennr]

<P>You have just violated a rule. Do not use all caps or you yourself might get banned for a period of time. </P> <P>My so called spamming deal with direct quotes that deal with my topic. If you don't like to read it then please go elsewhere.</P> <P>Back to the topic now. I am finding out now that much of the EQ2 community is very rude. I have yet to see someone say a nice thing in this thread when forums are there to benefit us all. We deal with topics but when people lack self respect for the entire community who is open to reading these forums much like bragging then it is disrespectful. </P> <P>I know FoH didn't voluntaraly but up these quotes but when you say something in defense I guess bragging or slanderous remarks can come out. People should watch and proofread more of what they write so that they dont affend anyone. I was affended tonight and thus a reason why my topic is up.</P>

[IvIoritu]

<P>omg your affended by us bragging wow now ive heard it all what ever bro have a nice life ill be off soloing behemoth </P> <P> </P> <P>mord</P>

[Shennr]

<P>A note to add. I did not mention any other guilds in my post here, including mine. Did I say that my guild was struggling with getting members, no.</P> <P>Bragging is an issue when it is on the forums. Like you said we all need to keep that on the guild website, others can view it there. If you want to talk about your guild standing then do it in game in private messages and not on the forums. These forums were not meant for that.</P> <P>My point to my post once again is that forums is not a place for bragging. I have learned that and thus I did not bring up any guild names in this post nor the other that you have mentioned. But thank you for a proper input on the discussion unlike some other peoples discussions.</P>

[Ci]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shennron wrote:<BR> <P>A note to add. I did not mention any other guilds in my post here, including mine.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Your entire post is about FOH, thus you are personally attacking the guild.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shennron wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN><STRONG>Not personally attacking any individual</STRONG></SPAN></P> <P>I have counted numerous posts only by FoH members of them bragging.</P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>You are so offtopic by posting this here. I hope this thread gets archived so eveyone can see how dense you are.<BR><BR>

[Shennr]

<P>It sure is a good thing that you read each word I say and then define them huh.</P> <P>I did not mention any <U>other</U> guild. Other being the key word there. As you can see I am not wrong in doing so.</P> <P>Not personally attacking any individual. It's a good thing I looked up the definition of Individual before I started this post eh? Look it up yourself as I have gotten the word from numerous dictionaries before posting it. FoH is a body and is a title, not a specific name. And as you can see I am not directly attacking them, rather I am attacking people who brag on these forums. FoH was an easy target however because they put up many posts today with them in.</P> <P>Please stay to topic now as your are abusing the forum rules.</P>

[Big Da]

<DIV>It seems there are two big factions in the everquest community. Im not going to go in to detail on them but its plain to see. I just wish some of you would grow up and stop ruining the community with pointless little arguments. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the most part MMORPGs have a very friendly community does anything in this post really matter?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm tired of the childish bragging or flaming, this represents the worst of those in this community, the people who on the whole are respected the least by the player base.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure most of us would be happy if all the ultra competitive uber arrogant players burned out and left, but why not try toning it down just a little.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileymad:</DIV>

[zorros]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Shennron wrote:<div></div> <p>A note to add. I did not mention any other guilds in my post here, including mine. Did I say that my guild was struggling with getting members, no.</p> <p>Bragging is an issue when it is on the forums. Like you said we all need to keep that on the guild website, others can view it there. If you want to talk about your guild standing then do it in game in private messages and not on the forums. These forums were not meant for that.</p> <p>My point to my post once again is that forums is not a place for bragging. I have learned that and thus I did not bring up any guild names in this post nor the other that you have mentioned. But thank you for a proper input on the discussion unlike some other peoples discussions.</p> <div></div><span></span><hr></blockquote>First off grats for having the most 1 stars ratings of any post that i have looked at so far in a thread<span>:smileywink:</span> Second and i quote <b><font color="#ff0000">This forum is for discussion about new features and content currently being evaluted on test server. </font></b><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#ffffff">This forum is not the place to moan about a guild or any person bragging about what they have done. Ive yet to see in this thread anything to do with content or features being talked about. So the sooner this thread gets locked the better in my opinion. "Bragging" as u call it is human nature. Being first at something is  what makes guilds compete with each other.If soe didnt want this they would not have included server firsts. Learn to live with it. If you see a thread you dont like ignore it,move on dont reply to it or you will no doubt be called  a whiner and send a Whahahahambulance to take you away <span>:smileyhappy: Thirdly I see you talking about people being banned for using caps.What the hell are you smoking. If you think soe will ban people for using caps you need your head testing. As for people getting banned for stoaking up a flame war,you seem to being doing a great job starting one. Locked threads are just that LOCKED. Not for someone else to go to and get quotes from and repost them. If thats not a banning offence my names not Michael Palin <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Have a nice day <span></span> </span> Thanks for the 1 star guess the truth hurts <span>:smileytongue:</span> </font></font></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by zorros on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:04 AM</span>

[Amise]

<span><blockquote><hr>Shennron wrote: I would also wish that you would not post again on this thread as you are only trying to get it locked. ty <hr></blockquote>You haven't just flamed individuals, you've flamed an entire guild of them.   Not only that but you've done it with regard to a subject which has gotten many threads locked within the past few days.   Not only that but you've reposted a ton of quotes from said locked threads.    If this one gets locked it's not gonna be because I questioned the validity of your so-called argument<i>.</i></span><i></i><span></span><div></div>

[SavinDwa]

<P>I have just read through your whole message ..... I have no real idea what your point is or what action you expect SOE to take.  I've been playing EQ since it first went into beta.  I've been playing EQ2 since it came out.  FoH has always:</P> <P>1) Been one of the top three guilds.  On average over the 5-6 year period they have probably been the top guild in EQ/EQ2 depending on how you measure this.  If your measure of what makes a top guild: is the most organized and focused on being the first to do things, or having a very very good group of core players from a game mechanics point of view, or of being willing to spend hours honing tactics .. they are the best or at worst equal best with a couple of others.</P> <P>2) Had enough of their players who had big mouths, used unacceptible langauge, and were generally unpleasant to be around to get very lows marks as a guild from the point of view of how they interact with the rest of the server they are on.  Having said that, they actually have a lot of very nice people, they just have enough annoying people to give them high marks on the unpleasant side.  Having said that, there have been much much worse guilds, so I would only give them a 3 out of 5 on the numb nut scale.  </P> <P>The example you have shown of them "bragging"  is one of the most polite FoH posts I've seen.  I really don't have a lot of problem with it ... you should see the language they have used in the past LOL</P> <P>So here is the big question.  From the point of view of the vast majority of players in the EQ2 environment FoH does more good than harm.  Very very few of us are in uber guilds.  My guild has the skill of players to be one of the better guilds except ,,, we can't be bothered, our players are spread across at least 10 different games at anyone time and most of us have a life and only are willing to play a certain number of hours a week.  So FoH runs into most of the high end content problems months before the bulk of us.  They even go onto test and try and spot problems there.  If you are actually on the server with them and not one of the other "uber guilds" you never see them since they are in places you are not, but they do mean your server might unlock things faster.  If you are one of the other guilds and you really think that they have an unfair advantage keep plugging away, tell SOE you are willing to spend 10-20 hours on test with a full guild testing stuff and also willing to keep detailed notes, stats and logs and report back and I'm sure they would add you to the test group.  If you think that sounds too much like a job then keep quiet and smile knowing that the FoH group is doing all the dirty work for the rest of us and thank the lord they don't have a life.</P> <P>By the way .... there really are some very nice people in FoH, I'm sure there are people on perma that have asked for help or an answer to a question and it was a FoH person that answered.  There are also people in that guild that are really petty and annoying, but they are all very good platers... </P> <P>So lets put this to bed and prove that the rest of us really do have a life.  BTW if we are really lucky SOE will lock this thread as well.  If you really want to voice your feelings and don't wnat to be hampered by langauge filters .. just go to the FoH side they actually enjoy letting people bash them,   here is the link to their site, join and feel free to post.  </P> <P><A href="http://www.fohguild.org/index.php" target=_blank>http://www.fohguild.org/index.php</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Savin (aka MyrLynn)</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by SavinDwarf on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:34 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by SavinDwarf on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:36 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by SavinDwarf on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:48 AM</span>

[Skyrocket]

<DIV>shennron,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The main post on this FoH topic was about why FoH was chosen along with other guilds.  That is probably why they answer it that way.   Your topic has nothing to do with testing and should be locked or moved.  I am here to read about testing not your problems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also you talk about bragging. I think you might wanna read your post.  You said it took you awhile to read all 6 threads of this topic and that you read the rules of conduct.........I am proud of you...good for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a testing feedback section and I am here to read how things are going on test and what changes are being made.</DIV>

[Azex]

<P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Azex24 on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:10 AM</span>

[ca]

<P>hahahahaha omg shen where can we send the hall monitor badge?</P> <P>so wonderful when someone is so incredibly proud of themselves for knowing all the rules better than the rest of us.</P> <P>bet you were the type who would tell the teacher when they forgot to give homework on a friday.so funny</P>

[Shennr]

<P>This is the best place for this forum as it deals with posts that have already been made in this forum. However, I would have loved to put it elsewhere but I checked all the possible places that this forum may go in and it does not fit any of the descriptions. However it does not violate the forum rules and could be considered its own genre of forums.</P> <P>I am not purposely trying to bash FoH. If it were another guild in these forums that start bragging none stop for 1 day then I would list them and their quotes instead. I am not trying to bring back up an old thread even though many think I am or they implied it because of all the other locked forums of that other general topic. This is a new one.</P> <P>The topic is about Bragging and what it entails. If you like the way that it is now then message me in game and we can get a discussion going. I am affended to these posts and they do not belong on the forums. If a new set of forums could be opened up for topics like these then I would be happy to have it moved.</P> <P>SavinDwarf, I love your post as it is probably one of the closest that actually relates to the topic. But this is not a topic just about FoH. They just seem to have brought a shining example for my discussion.</P> <P>I will repeat the topic again. This post is about how bragging is not needed on the forums and should not be here. Keep your achievements to your websites. Also, these posts are offensive and they should have proof read what they said before letting ego's come into these forums. It could have been done without but people are too blinded by their driving thoughts in their minds to realise it.</P>

[LuckyPSD]

<div></div>The point is that the things they are bragging about... well they did actually do them didn't they. So what you are asking for is for no one to say what they did in game in case it is taken as bragging. We all know your little post here is a grudge match motivated by another topic and you have entered a smear campaign against them which completely back fired on you as 99% of the posts here didn't agree with you at all and thought this was a stupid topic. I would listen to that and let the matter drop as no one seems to be bothered about FoH "bragging" other than you. Just let it go and play your own game rather than worry about some one else's huh? And if it is just about bragging please explain why this is needed in the "In Testing Feedback" forum? How exactly does this relate to the testing procedure? You say we need a separate forum for this kind of thing? How about a separate forum for your moans and whines about a guild that has nothing to do with you? <div></div><p>Message Edited by LuckyPSD on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:43 PM</span>

[Shennr]

<P>LuckyPSD I have already explained why this forum is here and will not go over it again just for your sake.</P> <P>If this is not a problem to you then I would like to ask you to leave. Yes those quoted posts did affend me and I am sticking to that. Right now I could care less about guild status. I am just pointing out the facts and presenting a problem that is here.</P> <P>I have read a few good posts already on the topic and I would not say that is only 1% of the posts. In fact there has not even been 30 posts yet so please skew your statistics elsewhere. I have already Reported a few peoples posts that were very rude in lights that it will actually turn this thread into an intelligent conversation.</P>

[Rizzen19]

Sounds like someone is riding on the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

[LuckyPSD]

OK so your sticking to this forum even though its the wrong forum for this thread... ok, your choice. But the posts you have quoted have broke no rules and are not offensive, at least no one else has issues with them.  Sooner this is locked and the matter forgotton about the better. <div></div>

[Shennr]

<P>Which forum do you think it should be in? I have gone through them all and none pertain to this topic. The closest place is here as this is the forum where these statements have been said. </P> <P>These quotes are offensive to me and if you would like to come in game then we could chat about it. I have yet to have an ingame message asking about it and people only posts their views on the forums as they do not have to directly talk to a player, person to person.</P> <P>Furthermore, another point to my thread is that bragging is not meant to come to these forums. They can stay in game or on other websites. These forums are here for constructive purposes. I am just pointing out the problem. If anyone has taught me not to brag then Gage is the one. He has gone into it on other forums dealing with our server and it has inlightened me. </P>

[Noah]

<P>I got no issue talking to you or anyone for that matter can send me a tell.  You got issue with me, the guild Im in, or actions we take....  sure you can post up something to get others to jump on the band wagon, or you can be civil and talk to me directly.  There is little reason for this post to be on any parts of these forums.  It is not constructive, totally bias, and merely "quotes" people that are trying to defend them selves from an onslaught of insults and accusations.  I do not see how this "helps" the community but rather continues the most common trend in these forums, complaining.  Pouring more negative feelings vs trying to promote good conversation/ debate seems to be the big thing now-a-days.  Personally, I sit on the otherside of the fence (most of the time) and encourage good conversations about important issues that pertain to EQ2 Game Play.</P> <P>That is all...</P>

[rul]

<P>Cias , please , just close your mouth. </P> <P>I dont mind about this post , the only thing i totally puke are people like you. only open your mouth to be unrespectfull to someone. Never try to respond the post with any intelligence.</P> <P>the only Garbage in here is You.</P>

[Endraal]

Wow. Someone needs their happy pills , I think. That whole rule thing you did there Shennron - that was just sad , imho. Personally I enjoy the competition of the high end game. It's what makes the whole thing fun, despite gimped out mobs. Without it I wouldnt be here. <div></div>

[Skyrocket]

<DIV>shennron, there are reasons those threads are no longer going. So you can not add to them, yet you still have to start a new thread (in the wrong place). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Anyone can point out something they dont like about everyones post, as i did with yours.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You said this is not the place for bragging...well i dont think it is the place for bashing either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now i gonna read the true Test Post, which is why i come to this section.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Skyrocket on <span class=date_text>05-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:20 AM</span>

[Shennr]

<P>I would like to appologize as this post was indeed directed toward FoH although that was not my intent.</P> <P>I have had a good conversation with Noah ingame and was one of the better conversations that I have had in EQ2 in a long time. We discussed many issues and now I would like a Moderator to Lock this thread as it is no longer needed. Ty</P>

[Soramenie]

I'm confused. You don't like this guild FoH bragging (what does FoH stand for, by the way? I'm not up on guild names) but just what do you want done about it? If they accomplished what they said they did and want to brag about it well that's their right. If they work hard to accomplish what they do even to the point of going into Test to test things (and report what bugs they find) then great. If they do that then it sounds like that's the reason they were chosen to be one of the guilds to be put on Test. Just why are you so bugged (pardon the pun) by all this? And what does their bragging have to do with the Test Server? Are they spamming the Test channel? I've never heard them do so. So just what IS your point? <div></div>

[otlg]

<DIV>FoH = Fires of Heaven</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They are one of the older guilds in EQ(1&2) and were totally dominant in the EQ1 days (from what I gather).  They raid on the Permafrost server.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Osiri</DIV>

[Lani]

<DIV>just drop it man.  were on perma and we are not [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing this much.  its not that big of a help to them and from what I gather our server is not even the most "uber" of the servers anyway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zaps</DIV> <DIV>Atroicity</DIV>

[Eul]

Replace "Bragging" with "Jealousy" and you've made your point, OP. <div></div>