to many changes, in to small of a timeframe

[stoutbrewdrink]

<DIV>i would just like to give a suggestion. Ya its great and all of you are *trying* to improve the game, but you need to realize the amount of people you [Removed for Content] off when you make even the smallest of changes. You load all those changes up in a patch, now count the amount of people who are [Removed for Content] off......   see my point?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>combat changes should be put on is own patch and not made to seem like it was apart of another one (yes that was the general thought when it was put up). Yes i know its seperate but you definately made it seem like it was going along with LU7. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sigh... so many people mad and leaving, i sure as hell dont want to be losing people from this game. Everytime things settle down, another drastic, mind blowing, and totally unexpected patch hits the boards and we all run around like ants. Also cut the stealth nerfs, i mean you stealth nerf a shaman spell, then put up the patch message in april 18ths patch notes.... seriously we arent that stupid.</DIV><p>Message Edited by stoutbrewdrinker on <span class=date_text>04-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:22 AM</span>

[Daeanor]

<div></div>I don't think they are oblivious to people getting upset, they would have to be pretty dang dense for that. But I also think that forum reactions to changes is exaggerated, and heavily (often unfairly) weighted to the negative responses. The real question is are the changes really necessary and worth upsetting the ones who are upset? Clearly <i>you </i>don't think so, but I would guess the developers have decided that it is a chance they have to take for the long term health of the game. It doesn't really do any good to proclaim how upset you are, it only stirs people up on the forums. What you need to do is post<i> unemotional feedback, and <b>make your case</b></i> for why the changes are bad (or good, as the case may be). Clearheaded, intelligent feedback has far more effect than 100 times as many posts that say, "OMG, they nerfed us! This sux0rz! I'm moving to WoW!" The thing is, feedback is meaningless if you are just speculating on what you <i><b>think </b></i>a change will do to you. How can you talk intelligently about something you haven't tried? Unless you have actually played witht he changes on Test, or if it made it Live already, on there, you pretty much have to hold your tongue. Knee-jerk responses to how you <i>believe </i>something is going to effect you isn't very much help either. Oh, as for adding stuff in all at once - well, sometimes there is no other way to do it. Every little change in the game affects a hundred other things. Some changes <i>have </i>to all go in together, or it will create an even worse situation than what they are trying to fix. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Daeanor on <span class=date_text>04-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:24 AM</span>

[Thesp]

IMO, if ultimately its will make a better game in the long run, then who cares how many people get [Removed for Content] off. Honestly, there are alot of people who just whine about anything just to be whining about something. These same people will be [Removed for Content] off regardless of when the change is put into place so you might as well put it in sooner rather than later.

[stoutbrewdrink]

<DIV>umm ya they tossed the shaman nerf life off the bat, so yes i have tested it. This isnt about me testing something tho that was a toss in from something else. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is about how many people they seem to [Removed for Content] off by not properly giving a good timeframe of patches. split it up more, make them smaller and more in numbers. Its handing someone a pallet of bricks when you could hand them off a few at a time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>does it look like im saying omg they nerfed us im going to wow? no it doesnt, i actually want this game to succeed because ive put so much time into this i dont want to see it go to waste, im not leaving, but my fellow players are and when they are gone then i am gone.</DIV>

[Fle]

<DIV> <DIV>This is about how many people they seem to [Removed for Content] off by not properly giving a good timeframe of patches.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as im concerned it's a small number and i base that opinion on the amount of threads i see, the number of post's they go up too and then take into account the post's by those people who disagree with the person complaining. Yes there might be some people who are unhappy who dont come to the forums just as there are people who are quite happy and dont come to the forums either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now if threads were reaching hundreds of posts then i might think differently but there not so i don't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV>

[VonStein]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fleet wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>This is about how many people they seem to [Removed for Content] off by not properly giving a good timeframe of patches.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as im concerned it's a small number and i base that opinion on the amount of threads i see, the number of post's they go up too and then take into account the post's by those people who disagree with the person complaining. Yes there might be some people who are unhappy who dont come to the forums just as there are people who are quite happy and dont come to the forums either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now if threads were reaching hundreds of posts then i might think differently but there not so i don't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ohhh.. you mean like the Mystic nerf thread on live... or the Inquis nerf a couple weeks back... or the Int/ Wis threads... or...</P> <P> </P> <P>Never mind.... lost cause...</P>

[mrfl]

<P>Forgive me for repeating myself from another thread, but I feel my response is just as valid here as it is there.</P> <P>SOE plan to implement a lot of changes all aimed at altering the same general area of the game. Surely, rather than taking this balls-out approach to ammending how the combat system functions, it would be wise to take baby steps towards finding a happy balance.</P> <P>I can see no harm at all in SOE being more cautious in their approach. I'm all for game-changing patches when the effects are certain, but changing something as integeral to the game as the combat system based on <EM>just</EM> the undersubscribed Test server seems over the top.</P> <P>I would be much happier to see 1/2 of these changes removed from LU7, with the option to be implemented in LU8.</P>

[Imri]

I look at it quite the opposite myself. I see somethign liek a drastic change to the combat system can't be done with out also balancing the classes and getting skilsl to a point they want them to be. After all if they take the baby step approach, they can only balance the combat system against current mechanics. Then when they fix broken skills, it leads to more imbalance. Doing it all at once and taking a month or so is a much better plan. My only problem is they haven't started stating what type of class changes are going to happen to compensate for a lot of the combat changes to keep the game fairly similar to what it is now. I understand the motivation behind the changes, but I also think people are getting mad by not knowing the whole group of changes.

[Kaliper5]

<P>Umm.....</P><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Moorgard wrote:<P>These changes will be undergoing extensive evaluation and tweaking on Test server. Please understand that we will not release these changes to the live servers until we are confident that they have the desired effect, so they may not go to the live servers with Live Update #7. We appreciate hearing your feedback on the official forums.</P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> </P>

[Fle]

<DIV>I just went back 5 pages under the mystic subclass forum and could'nt see anything. Maybe you could put a link to where these thousands of complaint posts are.</DIV>

[CrymsonAnClov]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fleet wrote:<BR> <DIV>I just went back 5 pages under the mystic subclass forum and could'nt see anything. Maybe you could put a link to where these thousands of complaint posts are.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <P><U><FONT color=#606420><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5568" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5568</A></FONT></U></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5531" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5531</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5585" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5585</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5504" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5504</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5567" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5567</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5649" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5649</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5643" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=5643</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=43572" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=43572</A></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=44104" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=44104</A></P></DIV>

[ReilenBlaeyze]

Mystics aren't the only underpowered shaman subclass...... I play my Troubador until such time as priest healing ability gets a closer look. <div></div>

[Fle]

<P>Thanks for the links. None of those threads goes above 2 pages accept one which has 130 posts. I did'nt go through all 130 posts to see if everyone was a complaint cuz i know there not so i stick by what i say.  Show me posts with hundreds of complaints and then ill change my mind.</P> <P>There are 26 servers. How many active mystics are there per server would you say .? </P> <P>Message Edited by Fleet on <SPAN class=date_text>04-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:55 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Fleet on <span class=date_text>04-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:18 PM</span>

[stoutbrewdrink]

<DIV>fleet your a ....., spend some time in mystic, shaman or defiler sublcass forums and all you will read is complaints of the crapiness. You really have no platform to stand on, seriously spend some time in something before acting like you know that ppl dont complain.. thats right you dont know jack about shaman business or their complaints on these forums.</DIV>

[Fle]

<DIV>I browse the forums quite regular and i never said people don't complain but your a minority and until you can prove otherwise by showing me overwhelming numbers of complaints then ill stick by what i say. If all you have to offer is insults then you have no platform to stand on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have a friend in game who is a mystic and guildies too, funny how i never see them complaining. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Fleet on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:52 AM</span>

[Tripper]

Obviously your mystic friend and guildies suck or they would understand what the majority of mystics complain about.  I am talking about the mystics that actually know howe to play, not your little babies that know how to run around and kill solo greens in groups.

[Fle]

<DIV>lol, shows you how much you know.</DIV>

[CrymsonAnClov]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fleet wrote:<BR> <DIV>I browse the forums quite regular and i never said people don't complain <STRONG><FONT size=3>but your a minority</FONT></STRONG> and until you can prove otherwise by showing me overwhelming numbers of complaints then ill stick by what i say. If all you have to offer is insults then you have no platform to stand on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>yep.   All the defilers already quit or made new characters and now the mystics are following them out the door.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fle]

<DIV>This is an imaginary door in your head.? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I played eq1 for 5 1/2 years and from the outset you would see post's on the forums just like the ones here and like your's. Well 5 1/2 years later the game was still going strong.</DIV>

[Eadric]

SOE needs to make changes, there is no doubt about that. But the fact that healers, scouts, summoners, and enchanters have to wait so long is ridiculous. But overhauling the combat system <EM>is</EM> important to the health of the game.

[VizP]

I am SO tired of hearing posters talk about people getting [Removed for Content] and leaving the game. Who the heck are you referring to? Your brother, your three guildmates and your cat? The oh so vocal tiny minority that fester on these forums and spend most of their day *$%#&!ing? Just where does this info come from? The truth is the people who you count as leaving and representing many other people do not and they are unlikely to leave anyway. The truth of the matter is people need to *$%#&!.. these people have such unfulfilled sad lives that they just wait for something to moan and *$%#&! about - its the truth of MMOs and its always been the mainstay of EQ forums.Complaining about legit things is one thing but what the OP is referring to is something else. But they arnt going anywhere.. people that *$%#&! and say they are leaving wont because they have nowhere to go to. WoW isnt going to give them anything else and their personalty type obviously indicates that all they have IS EQ. Whether its 'I am laving because of the plague' to 'I can't take it, my little head will implode with all these sudden changes', they are going to stay right here. I know it and SOE knows it. Sorry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>