As a Defiler

[Iro]

<DIV>Of all the "PRIEST" classes the defiler is the most screwed. Cut and paste spells, check how many UNDERWATER BREATHING spells we get, check how many "Heals" we get ... we are so screwed its not even funny.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We need MORE spells every 5 levels, we need fixed spells.</DIV> <DIV><BR>This is typical sony mentality..lets not fix what is being asked of us..but instead lets jam new crap down the paying games' throat..they'll buy it..what choice do they have? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WE ARE IN THEIR WORLD NOW...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well... I love this game and the friends I have in it..but if you think for one minute i'm going to go through what most of us went through in EQ1 (years of beta) .. then I think other choices will have to be made.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not saying run to WOW or whatever..but taking a break for a while and cutting off what sony really loves "MONEY"..your hard earned money, then hey, maybe ..just maybe they will learn that we are not stupid, ignorant, addicts who will do accept anything just to get our crack!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are not asking for the world, we are asking for a game that is FUN. SoE seems to confuse Challenge with Frustration.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are frustrating the hell out of us...we are use to a certain game play style and now you want to change the game .. and it is changing the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I see alot of changes (NERFS) .. but I see no compensation for it. <BR></DIV> <DIV>You want to take away parry, fine give us something of equal or greater valule.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You always seem to have no problem taking things away from players..why do you have such a hard time compensating them with an equal or more fun solution?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EVERY game I have ever played has hit the player with the NERF bat a few months into the game..DAOC, AO, EQ1 .. just to name a few.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's time I think for the paying player to take a stand and really let you all know that we work hard for our money, and our time is also very valuable to us..and making changes to a game that will FRUSTRATE the hell out of people is not something I would play for FREE let alone pay!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do something no other company has done yet... GIVE SOMETHING FUN to us..DON"T NERF..... SHOCK ME and make this game more fun with better spells and utilties...and better loot for gods sake...fighting for 45 levels and only seeing 3 Master chests is a bit lame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Reward vs Time & Effort really lacking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/end rant</DIV>

[eokin]

glad too see you still whiening [Removed for Content]...rerroll if your not happy..better yet quit eq2.

[initoci]

OMG :robotsurprised:

[Iro]

<DIV>So what you guys are saying is that the progression of spells make sense to you and that some spells don't drop off the face of the earth and the fact we really really need 5 water breathing spells is so essensial to our well being that we shoudl praise SoE for doing so a fantastic job.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mystics at least get a 30% slow vs our 10% and hey whats this they actually get descent heal spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The fact is I like my defiler. I enjoy a challenge which is what this game should be about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The fact you guys are just here to shoot your mouths off with useless crap when people are actually trying to get a point across.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Reroll? you think I have that much time on my hands..how bout this..you think defilers are that grate you reroll one. Then, you can actually see *$%#&! we are talking about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, you are telling me you agree with all these "Propossed" changes to the combat system? Do you really think you have enough healing power to keep those tanks alive after the changes? You agree to the fact they  are going to change the game so much that we are gonna go through at least 2-3 months of hell woth of bugs and frustration?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stop being such condesending pricks and input something worthwhile instead of taking someones actual conscerns and twisting them into a "WHINE" or throw the age old "REROLL" or "QUIT" crap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Fennir]

<div></div>I've seen 2 master chests drop in a day, plenty more over the course of a week, and I'm only level 38. You're obviously not fighting the right mobs. BTW fixing every class in a game this broken takes time.  If you don't like waiting for it, don't pay for the game while you wait... or don't wait at all and move on.  Your idea of "taking a stand" is ridiculous.  You're offering nothing new in the way of feedback to help fix your class, you're just whining. If anyone or anything is wasting the devs time, it's reading threads like these, posted by people like you. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Fennir on <span class=date_text>04-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>

[Iro]

<DIV>Wow you're blessed with an amazing luck for Master chests..good for you!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, do me this one favor you guys. All flamming and burning aside. This a genuine request.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Go to the SPELLS section and click on Defiler and look at our 40-50 Spells and actually read what they do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now .. go to the Mystic and see their 40-50 Spells and read what they do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From 40 - 50 they get Attack speed increase spells. AoE Mob Slows, Upadated Heals, Great Group Buffs...on and on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean come on..the last slow a defiler gets is SUB lvl 40! .. gah</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Iroas on <span class=date_text>04-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:04 AM</span>

[Fennir]

So? Go look up Ranger and look at how many group buffs we get (none). Look up our 40-50 skills and tell me if you can find one without a Snare side effect... how useful for a group!? Well fixing my useless class is more important than fixing your useless class so wah... or maybe.... you don't deserve to be fixed any faster than I do.  And whining isn't going to make it happen any sooner. <div></div>

[Sebastien]

Maybe the Shaman or Spells/Combat Arts forums would be better places to discuss this? <div></div>

[Iro]

Fennir, Your input has got me thinking about something. I'll tell ya... Do you know how to keep and Idiot in suspense? . . . . . . . . . . ...... I'll tell you tomorrow. <div></div>

[Iro]

Anyways, For the intelligent people out there..the point is that there are alot of people out there that enjoy this game as much as I do. I believe we are all simply asking the Devs LISTEN to what we have to say about our class and not go off on their own " THIS IS WHAT WE THING IS BEST FOR YOU" kick and make this game better than it already is. Introducing this kind of changes when there is SOOOO much more to fix is rediculous. Anyways I've had my say and you can agree with me or disagree. If you are happy with everything that is going on great..keep paying your money and have fun. For the rest of us we have to get the message across to the Devs somehow..and honestly..I don't know how to do that. Like many of you I've /feedback and /bug and so forth. To date I have gotten some half @ssed excuses and no real answers to many feedbacks. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Till then , see ya in game. <div></div>

[Evadne]

*cough* This is to the OP. I am a 38 defiler, and 43 provisioner. I have been soloing in Feerrott since 34.  I can still solo everything today that I could before the changes. Where we are hurt is a priest problem not a specific defiler issue.  This change does not affect us any more than any other class. Period. I know, because I am on TEST. So, if you think you can leap in here, and speculate on such specific matters without actually playing on test, I would like to ask that you refrain from screaming fire in a crowded room.  You would be welcomed on Test if you wish to examine the defilers ability to handle these changes. Healers in general are being addressed with these changes. Right now it is a work in progress. The dev team is making every effort to examine our data to balance healing in a group setting, solo, raid.  The current state that exists on Test is --well a TEST.  It is not the code that is planned to go to live. It is there for us to examine the problem and work towards a resolution. It is not a nerf. Frankly, it is dang hard right now on Test.  But, survivable.  Even though I know it wont go live like this, I get annoyed when I hear people say "impossible."  We are finishing heritage quests, grouping, fighting and gaining Xp on test with this code.  ~Eva <div></div>

[Miral]

well, it hits shaman more than clerics, but a lot less than druids, mages, and even scouts...

[Iro]

<DIV>Evadne,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the input.. I was able to solo no prob up until mid 40's .. at 45 you WON"T be able to do any solo unless its green or blue..forget the good ol' yellow orange days.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BUT.. that is not what I am complaining about..what I"M complaining about is the fact that our 40-50 spells SUCK *$%#&!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get NO slow after 38...does that seem wrong to you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like I said, I love my defiler..but we get 1 group damage spell, 1 group heal and 1 group spell that slows the mob if a player is with and that's a VERY low % to actually do it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you spent the time to fully read my message and actually go and compare lets say the MYSTIC with the DEFILER the mystic's spells fall in line with what THEY do at 40-50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WE on the other hand do NOT..we just get alot of underwater breathing and stuff that is useless...80% of our 40-50 spells are USELESS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LobaLobaLo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR> I've seen 2 master chests drop in a day, plenty more over the course of a week, and I'm only level 38.<BR><BR>You're obviously not fighting the right mobs.<BR><BR>BTW fixing every class in a game this broken takes time.  If you don't like waiting for it, don't pay for the game while you wait... or don't wait at all and move on.  Your idea of "taking a stand" is ridiculous.  You're offering nothing new in the way of feedback to help fix your class, you're just whining.<BR><BR>If anyone or anything is wasting the devs time, it's reading threads like these, posted by people like you.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Fennir on <SPAN class=date_text>04-16-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>01:43 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>A lot of your observations and comments seem to be coming from another game.  2 master chests in one day?  Did you play 24 hours straight to witness that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is so much irony when you call another post frivolous!!!</DIV>

[Fennir]

Nope, and I got a master chest yesterday, too.  One trick is never kill mobs just for XP. <div></div>

[Miral]

huh killed epic orcs for the lightstone quest twice last night and the heroics several times, and a bunch more stuff before that. Now, playing since release, I've only seen one master chest and that was on the first day, a low lvl 9sish master spell that i didnt get. I mean ive seen some kinda nice stuff drop, but never any more of those nice big metal master chests. So far the best item I've obtained has been somethin I can't use, from a scrying stone. Was like heavy armor bracers with +7 in str and agil or something...

[ka]

To really see master boxes you need to hunt the group x2 and higher areas or you need to fight in places like nektropos. Nektropos even though it is not group x2 stuff seems to drop some very spiffy stuff and it is where I got my master fire pet. Before my groups started doing these harder areas though my entire guild had seen I think 2 master loot boxes. kaid <div></div>