Can we get some solid data ?

[Sirlutt]

i see alot of whining and "OMGz teh Nerfz0rz!!" about the changes, bu can we get some SOLID before and after parsing of data from some different classes with regards to the new changes to combat, avoidance, mitigation, armor, buff stacking etc etc. Then, armed with comprehensive accurate data we can all run in different directions screaming "Nerfz0r!!" ... but really.. until we have solid scientific data on how much these things will affect us all these complaints are a bit pre-emptive.  We know for a fact that the devs responsd to well written factual posts/threads containing well thought out reponses and actual data.  so lets get some data. I'd love to be able to parse before and after logs on Test but i'm not willing to spend 4 months creating a new ranger nor isolate myself from my guild by copying over there.  If SOe wants to arrange a copy of some chars then I'd be happy to load up the parser and gather some data. Anyhow.. someone, please post some decent parses to show the true effect of these changes ? <div></div>

[Miral]

<P>Before: Warlock hits for big boom damage.</P> <P>After: Frozen Manacles breaks, Warlock dies in 2 hits for having weaker armor and no more parry</P>

[Fennir]

I disagree that these complaints are pre-emptive.  Some are, but: 1.  Healing changes are coming a month after a total combat revamp?  I see no possible good in this, unless [Removed for Content] people off and driving them away from your game for a month is 'good.'  These changes should stay on Test until the healing changes are ALSO put on test, and they should eventually reach the Live servers TOGETHER.  Anything less would be unmistakably dumb. 2.  They are making specific references to things being taken away (the ability to buff parry, for instance), without mentioning what is going to be done to make up for the dozens of spells they have now made completely useless.  This to me is completely unacceptable.  Bringing these changes to Live before each and every spell dealing with defense, parry, deflection etc. is fixed would also be unmistakably dumb. I agree though, let's see some numbers. <div></div>

[Miral]

well to be fair they never said their holding healing changes until LU8 as far as I know... plus LU8 is only 2 weeks away, not a month...

[Sirlutt]

<span><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:I disagree that these complaints are pre-emptive.  Some are, but: 1.  Healing changes are coming a month after a total combat revamp?  I see no possible good in this, unless [Removed for Content] people off and driving them away from your game for a month is 'good.'  These changes should stay on Test until the healing changes are ALSO put on test, and they should eventually reach the Live servers TOGETHER.  Anything less would be unmistakably dumb. 2.  They are making specific references to things being taken away (the ability to buff parry, for instance), without mentioning what is going to be done to make up for the dozens of spells they have now made completely useless.  This to me is completely unacceptable.  Bringing these changes to Live before each and every spell dealing with defense, parry, deflection etc. is fixed would also be unmistakably dumb. I agree though, let's see some numbers. <div></div><hr></blockquote>understand your point but i see NO numbers.. everyone running aorund in a tizzy complaining about individual changes but no one can solidly say "you know what..  heres my data pre-U7 and heres my post U7 - you guys messed up" .. thats what i want to see..i want to see the big picture.. have these substantial changes to mitigation, avoidance, damage etc etc actually changed anything ? thanks for the one star <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Miral]

numbers are about as precise as you can get, thats not the big picture. The big picture is how it effects overall balance in the game and the overall play experience.

[Daffid011]

I have no pre-patch numbers as I didn't know what was coming in live update #7, so it will be hard to have any "before" numbers to use for comparison.  Finally dusted off the coercer to get some levels since I thought caster changes where coming. <div></div>

[LobaLobaLo]

<P>"Adapt and Overcome - dont Whine and Succumb. "</P> <P> </P> <P>Cute, but, while possibly sound advice for RL, it's absolute irrelevant when the context is entertainment you pay for . . .<BR></P>

[Sirlutt]

<span><blockquote><hr>LobaLobaLoba wrote:<p>"Adapt and Overcome - dont Whine and Succumb. "</p> <p>Cute, but, while possibly sound advice for RL, it's absolute irrelevant when the context is entertainment you pay for . . .</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>lol.. thanks for the insightful reply on the topic at hand. i guess i will have to wait to get real data till everyone is finnished over anylizing every word in the patch notes.</span><div></div>