Make monks and Brusiers better tanks, reduce thier DPS, share thier skills with guardians

[Flic]

<div></div>"so what role does the monk and bruiser play as compared to top tank, they do lots of damage." And what role does the guardian do? We get hit, thats it. Our DPS sucks compared to monks/brusiers. At 42 the lv 42 monk I group with does nearly 3 times the DPs I do. he can solo 3 times faster than I can to farm gold, with his evasion and faster DPS. If I get a bad pull I have to run away using sprint, where the monk can FD. I cant invis past mobs like the monk can. When I am taking a beating I have to decide early if I need to run away, where the monk has his mend he can use. You lame *$%#&! monks and busiers want my skills, I hope to GOD they nerf the hell out of your DPS when they give you better tanking skills. I will laugh my butt off listening to you all "cry more noob" when it happens. Our guild runs the DPS parser all the time, I am actually embaressed to see it listed since I am usually olny higher than our healers. Of course a lot of this is because to hold argo I have ti spam my taunts, and this with a lv 36 aoe master taunt to keep the mobs on me Most of the time. Give me DPS, FD, MEND  and you can gladly have the ability to take the beat downs. I have seen our monk try and MT when I play my assassin. When things goes bad he likes to FD and have the mob turn on others in the group. Thats what I have always wanted as a MT. And the monk also way out damages my assassin with his adept 3 stabs compared to his adept 1 skills. <div></div>

[Baelzharon]

After reading your post I wonder if you wrote that out of sarcasm or you're really that selfish? Hey news flash, you're a tank. One which arguably is the best one out there as far as pure tanking ability. You can't have your proverbial cake, and eat it too by upping your DPS to a level that would unballence your class even more then it is now. <div></div>

[Dfoley3]

<DIV>Wow the ammount of facts in your post is outstanding i didnt see it this clearly tillyou posted this! thanks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Tanks are supposed to do low dps, so the best tank be the worst dps.  Your job is to get hit, not to be a dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Comparing the utilityspells of FD, mend, and invis.....grow up.....mend is a 26% heal every 5 min, FD "says" itonly works 75% of the time, and at 45 adept 3, mine says it will work up to level45 mobs.  IE anything higher and i SOL. The 75% thing is also false, ive failed fd on a green group of mobs well over 10 times in a row.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing about fd.  IF you fail (and u will) you take double dmg while on the ground, rather u receive no mitigation bonuses thus take full dmg, and cant dodge.  Not to mention YOU DONT KNOW if you FD unless you have a concentration buff up.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for dps,yes monks and brusiers have high dps but we tank like poop.  As for your assasin doing less dmg with adept 3s, i call BS on that, either you dont use appropreate crafter poisons or u arent doingsomething right, i ONLY out dps scouts when they dont use poison/flat out are slacking. I can burn a whole power bar in 1-2 min if i want, and yeah ill do nice dps., but a assassin that does the same will always out dps.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No i dontwant guardian skills.  Guardians have amazing group and raid utility for tanking, andthus are the main tank in optimal situations 99%of the time, meaning most other tanks  will never get a chance.  So pardon the rest of the fighter class if wed like a little equality when it comes to end game.  Once ur 50 there isnt much to do but raid, and thus yeah monks are gonna whine, cause we are more likely to get benched for an extra healer /  bard or something since no raids NEED monks like they need other classes, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a side note, if brawlers are the avoidance tanks, how come guardians get all the + avoidance buffs... The skill "defense" adds "the chance to dodge an opponets attack"  And guardians by far get the most stackable +defense buffs...  food for thought ,  maybe SOE should give monks an addition + 15 defense selfbuff that lasts 10 min so at 50 we truely would be the most 'avoidance based' tank</DIV>

[LobaLobaLo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flicks wrote:<BR> <BR>If I get a bad pull I have to run away. . . <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>god forbid.  back in eq 1, aggro-assist wasn't pre-labled and pathing was 10 times worse.  pulling in eq2 isn't half the "art" it was in eq1.  Are you really admitting that you're a bad puller in eq2????</DIV><p>Message Edited by LobaLobaLoba on <span class=date_text>04-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 AM</span>

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Flicks wrote:<div></div> You lame *$%#&! monks and busiers want my skills, I hope to GOD they nerf the hell out of your DPS when they give you better tanking skills. I will laugh my butt off listening to you all "cry more noob" when it happens.<div></div><hr></blockquote> The OP is not complaining about his role and the fact he does lower DPS to tank, he is complaining about the monks and bruisers who are whining about not being able to tank and needing the skills to tank like a guardian even though they already have skills in other areas that exceed a guardians. I agree with the OP.  It's the monk and bruisers who need to realise their role is not as MT but in exchange they get much higher DPS.  If you want the MT ability of a guardian, then the guardian should get the DPS and other abilities of the monk/bruiser.  Fair's fair.</span><div></div>

[Stabz]

<DIV>This is so worthless, devs just delete this entire thread.</DIV>

[CherobylJ]

This is being argued daily on the Guard boards; might have more of an impact if you go there to continue it.

[Curati]

<P>here is the deal...</P> <P> </P> <P>play your class and like it....or.....change class</P> <P>Try for once not worrying what the joneses are doing and just have fun. I keep my skills and armor upgraded the best I can and i play my hardest and do my best. NEVER have I been dissed for lack of DPS NEVER have I been critisized for my playing ability... I fail to see anything wrong with being a guard. My bro plays a monk and feels the same way I do. If you dont like the class your playing then try something else...So far from my exp EQ2 has the best class ballence goin on dont whine for them to change it please...it will only make things lame.</P> <P> </P> <P>happy monday!</P>

[Sillypud]

<DIV> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ffff66 size=4><STRONG>Patience</STRONG></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff66><FONT size=4><STRONG><FONT face=Century></FONT></STRONG></FONT></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Century color=#ffff66 size=4><STRONG>People get nervous when they are afraid, and often lash out at people they know are less fortunate then they are.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The brawler community understands and extends their sympathy to the Guardian community. We have been nerfed and realize the feeling that a “patch” brings. Feel free to contact any bruiser/monk in game to address any concerns or apprehensions. Again, our deepest condolences.</STRONG></FONT></P></DIV><p>Message Edited by Sillypuddy on <span class=date_text>04-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 PM</span>

[Teler]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flicks wrote:<BR> ...<BR><BR>Our guild runs the DPS parser all the time, I am actually embaressed to see it listed since I am usually olny higher than our healers. ...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>If I recall right, that is exactly the spot Guardians are supposed to be, no?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE stated for DPS, it is Mage / Scout / Fighter / Priest, and since they consider Tanking the maior counterbalance for DPS (see: Moorguards post in the thread "Scout Balance" in the skills/abilities forum) and Guardians are the best Tanks, they are supposed to have the lowest Fighter DPS, yet seemingly higher than the DPS of healers. Correct me if I am wrong...</DIV>

[Styk]

Who really gives a two cents of s.h.i.t what moorgard thinks.... after his little debacle about the rampage statement and ignoring what berserkers are were REALLY up in arms about you think his word is credable? ALL FIGTHERS LISTEN UP..... we are all gonna get nerfed  dps and defense wise soon.... SoE feels thats we are too powerful as an archtype. No sense fighting the change back to EQ1... its gonna happen, just hope that the content in this game is worth playing it still after all is said and done... SoE , your marketing ploy worked hook line and sinker.... i should have learned from your berserker debacle in OoW during eq1 that you will never change.... You really need to rethink how you are developing this game.... because little by little all the problems that beset eq1 are starting to show there ugly heads here in eq2.... What ever , back to making my bard .... <div></div>