Leaving because of no PVP...

[Dimadread]

<DIV>With an open mind, sit back for a moment....and imagine EQ2 with average sub-par graphics.  (like daggerfall)</DIV> <DIV>Scary huh? .... EQ2 impresses you so much with graphics you completely let game-content slide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I started playing this game back in Nov. I came from the game Anarchy Online, with the complete assumption that there would be PVP in EQ2. (because, why wouldn't there be)......  after a couple of months of playing I started asking around and looking on the forums and found that Moorgaurd (or whatever his name is)  stated that from the start of making this game, there has been no intention or desire to incorperate PVP into EQ2. This game has been build from the ground up non-PVP. If they implemented PVP in the game, they would have to reprogram everything. How could a gaurdian stand against wizard? You could just root and nuke. The classes are too unbalanced for PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 is a "character building" game.  In Anarchy Online, as an agent....I could go inviso....hide behind a tree, and hunt unsuspecting players with my rifle at 200 yards....and gank them with one hit, and the same could be done to me too....and this brought excitement to the game.... the unknown...the what-if's. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Diablo 2..... one of the best games made to date. Why was it so popular? .......end-game PVP. </DIV> <DIV>Counter Strike, one of the most popular online games to date.......why you ask?   You know why.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They had PVP areas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After you build your character to lvl 50 (which is jaw-droppingly easy) what then? Sit and rap with my guild for the next two years? .... a game like this MUST have PVP areas, period.......no ifs, and, or buts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know what you're thinking...why not stay with AO, same reason you left your last game....for something new.  But alas, I have purchased WOW and even though its not the game EQ2 is as far as graphics go....its a better game. I'm not speaking from sour grapes either. I love EQ2. I just cannot build a character that will do nothing but look pretty on the monitor to kill epic names. I must have PVP at end-game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs....correct me if I'm wrong, but please please give us some light at the end of the tunnel. Is there EVER going to be PVP? .....I don't think so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am quiting...and no you can't have my stuff, cause whats the point?....so you can be more powerful to do what?? Think about it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really hate leaving EQ2 its such a fun game.  But its missing the most important aspect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know im going to get flamed by fanboys and EQ lapdogs....who will scream at me to go away and ask for my stuff, and that they play the game for social reasons and they don't want pvp in-game.... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All i have to say to you is .......  wait about a four months, when you're lvl 50...have done everything and are sitting there twittleing your virtual thumbs.  You will ache for PVP. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good day. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rra]

EQ is one of the most popular MMORPG's ever. It had little PvP. EQ2 is the sequel to EQ, so if you're expecting some super PvP game, well here is not the best place to find it. PvP brings an elitest crowd with it that we don't need here, I know because I played SWG for the 2 years off and on, and there was a massive amount of drama and "elite" players that could care less about ganking newbies or flaming people. WoW also seems to have this sort of dark side to it. If you want pvp find another game, its that simple. I wouldn't mind duels, or some type of subtle city vs city theme, or pvp specific servers. But that stuff is a long way off, so I don't know why people keep beating this dead horse. <div></div>

[Baelzharon]

IBTL! I and 1000's like me played EQ1 for years with little to no PVP at all, and never once did we suffer or get bored. You PVP'rs will just have to grasp onto the concept that not everyone thinks like you, and not every game will cater to your desires. You did youself a serious diservice by not researching EQ2 before playing it. 10 minutes of web searching and reading previews and reviews would have told you it wasn't PVP.  If you wanted next gen MMO, and PVP why didn't you play WOW or even Lineage 2? <div></div>

[Omnikain]

<DIV>The Sims.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kthxbye~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>All i have to say to you is .......  wait about a four months, when you're lvl 50...have done everything and are sitting there twittleing your virtual thumbs.  You will ache for PVP. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Not very likely, but thanks for trying.</DIV>

[Goldenblade]

<DIV>Balancing PvP and PvE into one game that was initially built for PvE, is difficult.  Look at EQ1.  Certain classes are just difficult to play against in PvP and are GOD in PvE.  So what happens?  Nerfs out the wazzo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If they add PvP to EQ2, it needs to be done right or not at all.  I could honestly care less if they add it or not.  I always have Shadowbane or DAoC if I need my PvP fix.</DIV> <P>PS... Afterthought PVP sucks. (meaning PvP added after a game is already released)</P> <P>Message Edited by Goldenblade on <SPAN class=date_text>04-07-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Goldenblade on <span class=date_text>04-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:29 AM</span>

[Jackkal]

<P>Gadz</P> <P>Just a LITTLE reseaerch before buying the game and you would have known that there will not be PVP in EQ2.</P> <P>EQ1 was incredibly sucessfull with very little PVP. they do have PVP servers and players can Dual, but thats about it. Oh, and the PVP servers were among the least populated servers which is a good indication that not everyone likes PvP.</P> <P>So you like PvP. thats OK, not everyone does. But you bought WoW in hopes that you will find what you seek. Nothing there either.</P> <P> </P> <P>If you REALLY like PvP, and cant live without it, I suggest Lineage 2. But after reading that example you gave of your PvP skill, you wont cut it in L2. youll just get owned so hard and fast you'll run screaming to mommy.</P>

[Gno]

As an EQlive vet my view is that even the limited PvP there was only a determent to my enjoyment.  That EQ2 had no PvP was a major selling point for my wife and I.  If PvP was introduced in any intrusive way it would be the kiss of EQ2's death for us.  That "feature" was one of the primary reasons we didn't even consider trying out that other game. <div></div>

[conmcb]

Can I have your stuff? :smileywink:

[thepriz]

Don't let the virtual door hit you on the way out. Seriosly, I played EQ1 for about a year and never liked the duels. It was anoying that people would run around and bother you to try to get them to duel you. Just because they are board does not give them the right to bother other people who are not interested in dueling. So, I really don't care that you are leaving, it is probably better that you find a game more suited for your style of play. Buh Bye, <div></div>

[SinR]

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[OlaeviaTraisharan]

<DIV>If you're looking for some PVP try:</DIV> <UL> <LI>Dark Age of Camelot</LI> <LI>Shadowbane</LI> <LI>Matrix Online</LI></UL> <P>World of Warcraft doesn't have it in yet, but I hear they're working on it.</P>

[Sh]

<DIV><FONT size=7>Hrm. I am not gonna cry that you leave. But I can say one thing..</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=7></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=7> Bye Bye..More stuff for me !</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kizee]

<DIV>So much for doing alittle research before you bought EQ. There were threads all over the place asking if there was PvP or not and there was always a "NO there isn't any and not planning on it either" reponce.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PvP is what brought me to this game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I have found out that PvP in a MMORPG is a real bad idea....all it does it lead to rampant nerfing of classes as other whine that they got killed by "x" overpowered class. (DAoC is a good example) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you wan't PvP then go play a FPS game...that way you are on equal ground with everybody and winning is not dependant on playing an overpowered class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...oh and don't let the door hit you on the way out.  :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Cori]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>I know im going to get flamed by fanboys and EQ lapdogs....who will scream at me to go away and ask for my stuff, and that they play the game for social reasons and they don't want pvp in-game....</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So anyone with an opinion different from you gets to be called names by you?</P> <P>Corien</P> <P>70th level Cleric, The Rathe (EQ1)<BR></P>

[Proudfoot]

<span><blockquote><hr>OlaeviaTraisharan wrote: <p>World of Warcraft doesn't have it in yet, but I hear they're working on it.</p><hr></blockquote>Umm.. what? WoW certainly does have PvP in it. Matter of fact, the PvP servers outnumber the normal servers. Even on the normal servers and RP servers PvP is alive and well. Just concentual on non-pvp servers. I think you're misunderstanding the Battlegrounds content that Blizzard is working on. Yes, that is <b>more</b> PvP content. Not the only PvP content.</span><div></div>

[Goldenblade]

<DIV>Personally, I prefer the DAoC way.  One area for full PvP, regardless of level, and the battlegrouds where you can PvP within a 5 level range.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some days I felt like PvE, some days I felt like exp'ing off of Albions.  </DIV>

[Seth]

If you had also just read the producers letter you would see they are working on PvP now. Im looking forward to what they have in store yet im not that big on PvP anyway.

[Dub]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Sims.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kthxbye~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong EQ had some form of pvp on every server.<BR>

[Dub]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kizee wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I have found out that PvP in a MMORPG is a real bad idea....all it does it lead to rampant nerfing of classes as other whine that they got killed by "x" overpowered class. (DAoC is a good example) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ya right, EQ2 is already nerfing classes left and right and we dont even have pvp. Classes are going to get nerfed one way or the other. I myself am already looking forward to vanguard or some other mmorpg that will atleast offer /duels and arena pvp for fun.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Dub]

<DIV>Just did some research...Straight from Smed himself, Here comes some PVP!  If you didnt think it was coming sooner or later you would have to be blind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>The EQII team is still hard at work on the existing game, and I think that all of the new content the team has added since launch is pretty amazing. In the past few weeks alone, we've added several new high level raids, an in-game mail system, Mentoring (something we're really excited about), two additional character slots for all subscribers , and we just added the new merchant system, which will allow players to sell items in game without having to leave their computer running. That's on top of the usual game additions -- dozens of new quests, spells, items, tradeskill recipes, etc. You can expect us to keep up this pace for a long time to come. Another part of the EQII team is hard at work on our first Expansion Pack, coming out later this year. We've taken a lot of your recent ideas and feedback into account, and we're working on some innovative ways characters can move and interact with the environment.  Also, we're taking the first step towards introducing PvP competition with the introduction of a new type of combat!  </P></DIV>

[elduron4406]

<P>lol PVP SOE still have not sorted PVP in SWG</P> <P>play UT2004 or ET for proper pvp</P>

[Kizee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ya right, EQ2 is already nerfing classes left and right and we dont even have pvp. Classes are going to get nerfed one way or the other. I myself am already looking forward to vanguard or some other mmorpg that will atleast offer /duels and arena pvp for fun.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How do you figure? They have been boosting classes like crazy.</P> <P>Of course there will be a few minor nerfs in a PvE game but not totally change the way the class works like Mythic did many times in DAoC.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Dub]

<DIV>go read the class boards.</DIV>

[Omnikain]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Sims.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kthxbye~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong EQ had some form of pvp on every server.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uh...yeah....but I didn't take part in it so I did fine without it.</P> <P>Way to try to feel cool though.</P>

[a6eaq]

<P></P> <HR> thepriz wrote: <P>Don't let the virtual door hit you on the way out. Seriosly, I played EQ1 for about a year and never liked the duels. It was anoying that people would run around and bother you to try to get them to duel you. Just because they are board does not give them the right to bother other people who are not interested in dueling.</P> <HR> <P>This is sooo true.  Besides I was never asked to duel by someone that was at an equal or lower level than my monk was.  It annoyed me to no end to have people 10 levels or more higher than me stand in front of me, run circles around me, or spam my chat window (until they were put on the ignore list) to try and get a duel in so they could prove their mastery over a toon that there was no way that could beat them.  No PVP you say Sony... good ridance!</P>

[Cah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>With an open mind, sit back for a moment....and imagine EQ2 with average sub-par graphics.  (like daggerfall)</DIV> <DIV>Scary huh? .... EQ2 impresses you so much with graphics you completely let game-content slide.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>K. And now YOU sit back with an open mind for a moment and imagine that there are people who find EQ2 fun, think WoW is a crap game and don't want tons of WoW is better than EQ2 and moooom they won't implement pvp topics.</P> <P>WoW impresses you so much with PvP you completely let other possible opinions slide.</P> <P> </P> <P>Good day <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Gilbert]

<DIV> <DIV>Copy and pasted from one of the myriad PvP threads:</DIV> <DIV>---------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>I'll say this now so that it can be copied and pasted into the myriad of PvP threads that will be showing up on the forums in the wake of Smed's letter. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width=16 border=0></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can't reveal more details on the expansion at this time. That will be coming soon enough.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I will say is that the kind of PvP competition we're introducing will be a new type of combat added on top of the existing game. It won't be the open PvP where you run out and attack others as they travel across the landscape. We don't have that type of full-on PvP in development right now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This will be completely optional and consensual. It won't affect any existing gameplay. This isn't PvP servers or disputed zones, but rather something new.</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Moorgard<BR>EverQuest II Community Guy </P></DIV>

[Jillybean]

<P>Couple of things, in AO you could NOT sit behind a tree and gank unsuspecting players. Why? Because players were always warned when they were in an area of supression gas or not. So, no one was completely unsuspecting. Trust me on this one. However, if you were one of those people who would camp areas that dropped people into 0% zones immediately then picked them off..congratulations? That shows tactics boy howdy...nothing like camping an arena and picking people off as they run in, there's skill in that. Actually, that's NOT PvP. PvP is people fighting..not one person hitting another for a 10000 point aimshot to the head before going "oh hey, did..you want to fight?"</P> <P>EQ2 can have arenas, give players who want it a place to hit other players with sticks and feel challenged. That's great. Gods please do not introduce random areas in zones set off into PvP areas (ala Anarchy Online: The Notum Wars). Contain it, but give people who want it a chance.</P> <P>Will no PvP be the end of EQ2? That's rather presumptious isn't it? I mean, while there are people that want it it seems a small minority screaming "*$%#&! where the heck is my PvP punks! Without it the noobs rule!" as most seem content to play the game as..a game. Not as another way to be all powerful and smack down on other players. </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>With an open mind, sit back for a moment....and imagine EQ2 with average sub-par graphics.  (like daggerfall)</DIV> <DIV>Scary huh? .... EQ2 impresses you so much with graphics you completely let game-content slide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I started playing this game back in Nov. I came from the game Anarchy Online, with the complete assumption that there would be PVP in EQ2. (because, why wouldn't there be)......  after a couple of months of playing I started asking around and looking on the forums and found that Moorgaurd (or whatever his name is)  stated that from the start of making this game, there has been no intention or desire to incorperate PVP into EQ2. This game has been build from the ground up non-PVP. If they implemented PVP in the game, they would have to reprogram everything. How could a gaurdian stand against wizard? You could just root and nuke. The classes are too unbalanced for PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 is a "character building" game.  In Anarchy Online, as an agent....I could go inviso....hide behind a tree, and hunt unsuspecting players with my rifle at 200 yards....and gank them with one hit, and the same could be done to me too....and this brought excitement to the game.... the unknown...the what-if's. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Diablo 2..... one of the best games made to date. Why was it so popular? .......end-game PVP. </DIV> <DIV>Counter Strike, one of the most popular online games to date.......why you ask?   You know why.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They had PVP areas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After you build your character to lvl 50 (which is jaw-droppingly easy) what then? Sit and rap with my guild for the next two years? .... a game like this MUST have PVP areas, period.......no ifs, and, or buts.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Demothis]

I agree with most here, EQ in any of its incarnations (lords exluded) is better w/o main stream PvP content. If they do wish to bring it it, bring back the dual and thats it. Was it fun to head outside of town with a friend and throw down, somtimes, corse anyone foolish enough to chalenge a bard was dead. But it was much funner running the gauntlet of adventures on the LDoN expansion which forced you and a team to work together as a smooth running machine and verycarful group design basted on the type of mission you had to complete ( I wish they had tweeked it more so you could choose the type as opposed to quiting and wait for the randomized to give you 1 more suited for the group you had constructed, but still alot funner and more rewarding then PvP.

[Sassinak]

Most EQ2 players want a cooperative game, not a competitive game.  I know this seems hard to believe to some of you, but it's true.  Many people came to EQ2 specifically to avoid PvP.  At level 50 they do not seek PvP to keep them interested, instead they will be happy to start new characters, wait for expansions, or simply retire from the game. Being a DAOC veteran, my opinion is that PvP is unsatisfying in games where player power grows with time invested.  PvP belongs in dedicated, level-less competitive games like Counterstrike.  Most people came to EQ2 for a cooperative game, let's not ruin that and alienate those people now. <div></div>

[Dub]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Sims.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kthxbye~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong EQ had some form of pvp on every server.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uh...yeah....but I didn't take part in it so I did fine without it.</P> <P>Way to try to feel cool though.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow nice little jab there.  You insecure or something or just 6 years old?  See I can throw insults too. I guess that  makes me as cool as you. </DIV>

[Day]

<P>You can go cry all you want.</P> <P>Open PVP was killed by the PK's in UO years and years ago, they killed it dead and it wont return to a major MMORPG for the foreseeable future.</P> <P>All you will ever see in a MAJOR mmorpg is limited PVP by consent only, and the main thrust of the game will never be toward PVP.</P>

[Vigr]

<DIV>i am going to have to agree ... i came to eq2 thinking that there would be pvp IE... good vs evil ?? qeynos vs freeport once you hit 50 every thing gets boring.. i have killed every thing there is to kill.. been on every raid... it is geting verry boring.. even limited pvp would be good so that way the people that wont dont like to pvp can go kill there gnolls and what not.......... and people that like pvp can kill each other .... or just do a guild war thing...  or just a zone were you can do guild vs guild for status points like say ... one guild looses the battle they loose status were the victors take there status points.. or i would even be happy with duels =) this game is a good game lota content... but with pvp even limited pvp this game would blow every other game out of the water in eq1 there was pvp .. why not here? give us something pls ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Phlanix lvl 50  ranger toxxulia.......... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Vigrid on <span class=date_text>04-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:49 PM</span>

[Evyn]

"All i have to say to you is .......  wait about a four months, when you're lvl 50...have done everything and are sitting there twittleing your virtual thumbs.  You will ache for PVP." You seem to think you know how every other person likes to enjoy games.  Intersting.  Anyways, I played EQ1 for 5 years and didn't participate in PVP.  Yes, I know it was available. But to me it didn't need it, raid content and AA's kept me interested for years after I'd been at max level.  In my opinion, pvp just does not work well at all in class-based games.  It works <b>great</b> (and is a lot of fun) when the outcome depends on <b>skill</b> alone, not some preconceived coding of what things your chosen class can or cannot do.  That's why I stick to Quake 3, Halo, etc. for my PVP fun, and EQ2 / similar games for immersiveness and PVE. What it comes down to is:  Do some research on the games you are thinking of buying.  It's been a widely known fact that no form of PVP was being implemented in EQ2 at launch, or possibly ever.  While WoW, on the other hand, was well known for having PVP options.  Could have saved yourself some cash and time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Omnikain]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubel wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dubel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Omnikain wrote:<BR> <DIV>The Sims.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kthxbye~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong EQ had some form of pvp on every server.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uh...yeah....but I didn't take part in it so I did fine without it.</P> <P>Way to try to feel cool though.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow nice little jab there.  You insecure or something or just 6 years old?  See I can throw insults too. I guess that  makes me as cool as you. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm insecure -and- 6 years old.  Bet you feel bad now <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P>In all seriousness, I apologize for the jab, but you were being awfully picky about what I said.<BR></P>

[Magu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Omnikain wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Dubel wrote: <div> </div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Omnikain wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Dubel wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Omnikain wrote: <div>The Sims.  </div> <div> </div> <div>The highest selling PC game of all time (for some reason, I hate it myself).</div> <div> </div> <div>No PVP.</div> <div> </div> <div>And before you say The Sims is nothing like EQ2, well, neither is Counterstrike.</div> <div> </div> <div>Kthxbye~</div> <div> </div> <div>Btw, I played EQ for 5 years with no PvP, I can do it here.  I certainly do not/will not ache for it.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <hr> </blockquote>Wrong EQ had some form of pvp on every server. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Uh...yeah....but I didn't take part in it so I did fine without it.</p> <p>Way to try to feel cool though.</p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Wow nice little jab there.  You insecure or something or just 6 years old?  See I can throw insults too. I guess that  makes me as cool as you. </div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I'm insecure -and- 6 years old.  Bet you feel bad now <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p> <p>In all seriousness, I apologize for the jab, but you were being awfully picky about what I said.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote><a href="http://www.machinima.com/count.php?url=http://files.machinima.com/films/media/Conventional_Media/RvB_NYC2.mov&id=717" target=_blank>Lol . . . </a></span> specialy the last min <div></div>

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>With an open mind, sit back for a moment....and imagine EQ2 with average sub-par graphics.  (like daggerfall)</DIV> <DIV>Scary huh? .... EQ2 impresses you so much with graphics you completely let game-content slide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I started playing this game back in Nov. I came from the game Anarchy Online, with the complete assumption that there would be PVP in EQ2. (because, why wouldn't there be)......  after a couple of months of playing I started asking around and looking on the forums and found that Moorgaurd (or whatever his name is)  stated that from the start of making this game, there has been no intention or desire to incorperate PVP into EQ2. This game has been build from the ground up non-PVP. If they implemented PVP in the game, they would have to reprogram everything. How could a gaurdian stand against wizard? You could just root and nuke. The classes are too unbalanced for PVP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 is a "character building" game.  In Anarchy Online, as an agent....I could go inviso....hide behind a tree, and hunt unsuspecting players with my rifle at 200 yards....and gank them with one hit, and the same could be done to me too....and this brought excitement to the game.... the unknown...the what-if's. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sounds more like you are the one who was impressed so much by EQ2's graphics that you ignored everything else, including dev comments... You were hoping for EQ2 to be another anarchy online, another Diablo 2, another... *shudder*.... counterstrike, just with better graphics. But its not. Devs have said since well before pre-orders were available that they had no plans of enabling full pvp. And the last paragraph that I quoted is part of the reason why. nothing is worse than trying to get a quest done or something before you have to log off, only to be one hit ganked by some 1337 d3//D with too much time on his hands. </P> <P>Counterstrike.... well I'll leave what I think about counterstrike out of this, it ain't pretty. Anarchy online was an ok game. Diablo 2 was a great game, but not for the PvP. The PvP was so.... BUGGY. Diablo 2 was all about PvE. About awesome loot. About the innovative Horadric Cube. About unique classes well defined better than any other game I have played. You had your paladins with their offensive and defensive auras, you had your barbarians with whirlwind, you have your assassins with quick, deadly claw attacks, you have your necromancers with armies of skeletons, etc etc etc. The pvp? eh who needs it.<BR></P>

[Miral]

<P>Forgot to add:</P> <P> </P> <P>The only MMO I have played that the PvP was actually fun at times was Ultima Online (<A href="http://www.uo.com" target=_blank>www.uo.com</A>), the origional MMO. Its been going for like 8 years and is still going strong. You can download a free trial that includes all but the latest expansion at <A href="http://www.gamespot.com" target=_blank>www.gamespot.com</A> or <A href="http://www.gigex.com" target=_blank>www.gigex.com</A>. </P>

[kjam]

People always refer to people who like to PK as immature and childish. However when someone post a message asking for pvp, the people who boycott pvp are the rudest people I have ever seen. I have a 50 Warlock. I haved raided, I have a prismatic weapon. I am so bored with this game its amazing.

[Efour EQ2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kjames wrote:<BR>People always refer to people who like to PK as immature and childish. However when someone post a message asking for pvp, the people who boycott pvp are the rudest people I have ever seen. I have a 50 Warlock. I haved raided, I have a prismatic weapon. I am so bored with this game its amazing.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>heres an idea. STOP paying to play it.  Guildwars is out in a few weeks, its going to blow EQ2 out of the water on anything it tries with "organised" pvp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IF u are looking for the "gank the lowbie" experiance i suggest WoW or DaoC, but DaoC aint so good no more for grey ganking.  </DIV>

[aeio]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Dimadread wrote:  <div>When I started playing this game back in Nov. I came from the game Anarchy Online, with the complete assumption that there would be PVP in EQ2. (because, why wouldn't there be)...... </div><hr></blockquote> For Several Years, at this point, they have been crystal clear that they had no plans for PVP in the game.  Even a passing amount of research and questioning would have uncovered that for you.  The fact that you decided to play EQ2 without giving so much as a cursory examination of its features is probably suprising to some people, myself included. Can't really say they have anyone to blame but yourself.  Edit: Noticed you started this thread in the Test Server forum.  I would suggest you need to work a little bit harder in being more observant of your surroundings and what you are doing. </span><div></div><p>Message Edited by aeiouy on <span class=date_text>04-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:10 AM</span>

[jash]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Efour EQ2 wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IF u are looking for the "gank the lowbie" experiance i suggest WoW or DaoC, but DaoC aint so good no more for grey ganking.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>hah! thats true if you start now with daoc and reach 50 you would prolly quit after one week cuase you get owned all the way all the time<BR> <DIV>....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>mostly addicts and pros left in this game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   very good game indeed</DIV>

[Myrkl]

Diablo Online is actually one of the greatest reasons I DONT even try WoW. Blizzard showed they cant control the rampant PKing. The fact that there is no PvP in EQ2 is a major draw for many of us, and it was in the FAQ that there would be none, so research was minimal at best to determine such.

[Faoite]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pround&message.id=2161" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pround&message.id=2161</A></DIV> <DIV>Hmmmm...:smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[markdevox]

<P>Oh wow, you're right!  Never thought of that!  </P> <P>Now you've posted here, we're all leaving too!</P> <P>On the other hand, EQ2's ace.  We've all changed our minds.  We're staying!</P> <P>So goodbye - have fun with life, PvP and stuff!</P> <P>Anyone fancy a group in Everfrost? :smileyhappy:</P>

[Tro]

<P>PvP has no place in EQ2.. Enjoy what ever PvP game you chose after leaving EQ2 and yes don't let the Virtual Door</P> <P>hit you in the [Removed for Content] on the way out!!  </P> <P>Oh yea, Try EQ1 if you want to do PvP. You can create a character on an actual PvP server or just /duel with PC's on the </P> <P>non PvP servers. </P> <P> </P> <P>  </P> <P> </P>

[Sol-the-Wi]

<P>I'm guessing that the upcoming PvP will include an arena for organized one-on-one and group-on-group fighting. I get this from the currently-abandoned arena in Qeynos Harbor <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>This is just a guess, but... if it's right, I think it'll be really awesome. I personally hate all-out PvP because of the "ganking" aspect, and though I like dueling, I don't like people going out /duel'ing every PC in the zone (maybe an auto-decline option would help that).</P> <P> </P> <P>Anywho... I'm pretty excited, and am waiting to hear more <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[CheezeBurgerAnimal]

<DIV>Bubbye</DIV>

[SavinDwa]

<P>The interesting thing about PVP is that it upgrades the game to a much better AI engine.  However, the bad nes is that it brings with it two very nast problems:</P> <P>1) Balance.  Getting the right balance in a game where player versus player is very very difficult and in the case of many games takes years if not centuries to get right.  Most games just go bye-bye.  The problem with a game like EQ2 for PVP is that if it were introduced someone would immediately find a startegy that made a particular class or combo unbeatable.  Then the game would change to stop it and another combo would be fiound ..etc etc etc.</P> <P>2) PVP attracts ego maniacs who care little for the feelings of others.  I'm not saying that all PVP players are like this, but enough to make the group as a whole well worth avoiding.  The fact that EQ2 does not have PVP will force these people elsewhere .. EXCELLENT!!!   The only thing an ego maniac can do in EQ2 is get to 50 first, be the first guild to XX etc ... the rest of us can just ignore them.  In EQ2 they used to camp things and train people.  Now they can't even do that... EXCELLENT!!!</P> <P>EQ2 is a game focused on ciommunity and working together.  Its not attractive to the bullies since its hard to bully someone.</P> <P>Personally I would take little satisfaction in killing someone that might have just logged on for their only 30 minutes they can play today and have just had it ruined by me behind a tree.  It wouldn't make me feel good about myself, it wouldn't make the other person feel good about themself.  So .. I hope if they ever bring PVP to EQ2 its optional, just like in EQ1.  I bet if they did add PVP to the game you would be even more frustrated because 95% of tyhe players would refuse to turn their PVP flag on.</P> <P>So your best shot is to find a new game.  please let us know what it is so we can avoid it and perhaps you can take a few more PVPers with you LOL</P>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimadread wrote:<BR> <DIV>All i have to say to you is .......  wait about a four months, when you're lvl 50...have done everything and are sitting there twittleing your virtual thumbs.  You will ache for PVP. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nope, never happen. Played EQ1 for 6 years, made it through all the slow times and not only did I never once "ache" for PvP... I never even thought about it... and I will continue to not think about it. The games I have played that offered PvP, those are the ones I became bored or frustrated with in short order. I can't think of anything less fun than trying to enjoy a game with my wife and having some dork pop out from behind a tree, waste us and all the time we had put in getting to where we were that play session. I don't have enough spare time in my life to have it wasted by some dink who gets his jollies PKing a couple of people he never met before and were just trying to have fun playing their game.</P>

[IsmeldaLasomb]

<P>The worst part in this is that they are going to implement PvP while the vast majority signed on for no PvP.</P> <P>I really feel that this is the real reason behind all the changes they are trying to do in combat system while it was working well and fine before they tried to change it. PvP means that you have to make the classes more alike to give them some opportunity to win a dual. In the precedent situation, each class had his strenghts and weakness in fight.</P> <P>Now, some get more and more weaknesses without any compensation and see their solo abilty to go down. With that i'm pretty sure also that nearly any class can actually solo a scout without much trouble as they are no more the damage dealers they were, any class or so can see through hide, they have less resistance to magic than others, their agilty does not much anymore and so on. </P> <P>Not being able to solo a mob that any other class can solo is a reliable proof of the unbalance of classes. But the worst is that even in group scout class are less and less effective. I will not elaborate on this, already posted in the adequate forums. Maybe the only class that is worst than scout to solo are enchanters. But they are a great asset in group which is not the case for scout anymore.</P>

[Silvo]

<DIV>IF any sort of open PVP goes in I will be gone. Part of the reason I played EQ2 was I don't have to put up with l33t d00|)z bragging how they Pwn3|) someone. I played Eve and it was open pvp and talk about a mess nothing but a stream of unending nerfs in the name of balancing pvp fights.</DIV>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silvorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I played Eve and it was open pvp and talk about a mess nothing but a stream of unending nerfs in the name of balancing pvp fights.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That pretty much describes any game that attempts to mix and balance PvP and PvE in the same world. The only decent PvP games are pretty much strickly PvP and the same goes for PvE games... all the games that try and cater to both end up sucking on both fronts.<BR>