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[Jhar]

<DIV> <P>I think it is great I got so Many Negative Responses it only Points out the players who like a free ride In Major Online RPG, in last time I checked this is Not a Spelling B.</P> <P>Just because I am level 50 and who is to say im not a level 50 crafter and who is to say I do not help other members, If anyone who players Eq and is not a NooB, I love this word,<BR>Knows In order to reach the High end zones needs to dedicate themselves also to other guild members.</P> <P>Everquest 2 is to easy Period Even with all zone access, quests and levels crafting W/E. What I am saying You will be level 50 if not now and at level 50 you should have more you can Do In my Eyes I am a hardcore Eq player I will not quit I will always Help members of the guild and I do play Pvp games, A Online game that is just released and can be maxed out in 4 months is not a good start for any Online RPG game.</P> <P>Those of you who act Negative about my post really look dumb and the word noob must bother you but its ok everyone is a noob at one time. It’s not a Bad word I am thinking you just here it to much...<BR></P></DIV>

[pootski]

Wow!  Please, get some kid to teach you how to spell!  It will really help you in RL.  You cannot be taken seriously in the above post as it sounds like some 5 year old got your keyboard. <div></div>

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pootski wrote:<BR>Wow!  Please, get some kid to teach you how to spell!  It will really help you in RL.  You cannot be taken seriously in the above post as it sounds like some 5 year old got your keyboard.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree... Plus, learn the difference between REPLY and NEW MESSAGE.</P> <P>Plus saying everyone will be 50 is ignorant. some people prefer the lower level life to the "omg im mor uber than joo"  attitude presented in the end game.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:22 PM</span>

[Telad]

<P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Everyone has the right to their opinion, however I do not understand what is up with the spelling critics on these boards.  Do you correct everyone in-game you see that makes a spelling or grammar error to?  As far as there not being much to do at 50 your right I have been 50 as well and use the game as a chat room pretty much until an expansion comes out.  My main plea is for people to please stop complaining about spelling and grammar errors, even if a post is loaded with them, if you have that big of a problem with it just ignore the post and go on with your life happy because you are a better person because you saw a post with spelling and grammar errors and didn’t complain about it. Anyway I am done (please stop complaining about stupid things that is all these boards are anymore a lot of complaining)  Yes I know I’m complaining about a stupid thing right now so I will stop and never post about this subject again.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Teladar on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:44 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Teladar on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 PM</span>

[djewt1]

<DIV>Why do you English teachers play an international game?</DIV> <DIV>Not everybody lives in the US you know, or shouldn't we be allowed to communicate if we can't speak perfect english.</DIV> <DIV>GROW UP or become a english teacher :smileywink:</DIV>

[Amise]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pootski wrote:<BR>Wow!  Please, get some kid to teach you how to spell!  It will really help you in RL.  You cannot be taken seriously in the above post as it sounds like some 5 year old got your keyboard.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree... Plus, learn the difference between REPLY and NEW MESSAGE.</P> <P>Plus saying everyone will be 50 is ignorant. some people prefer the lower level life to the "omg im mor uber than joo"  attitude presented in the end game.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>11:22 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Just FYI, there have been a ton of incidents lately where people try to reply to messages only to find they have instead posted a new one.  I don't think it's indicative of the OP's intelligence or lack thereof that he happened to do this.  The fact that it has only recently started happening so often makes it fairly obvious that it is an issue with the forums and not with the posters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think it's hilarious that you're ragging on this guy's spelling when your grammar and punctuation are far from perfect.  Glass houses and all that. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Amise on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:31 PM</span>

[Gladesto]

<P>    Omg does every thing have to come down to a spelling b.Just answere the *$%#&! guys post.Seams to me every time some one has any thing to say its spelling first.Get over that.Not every one is going to get every word correct.</P> <P>    If your that depressed try wow.Ive heard that you can be lvl 60 in three weeks.Everquest 2 to me has been more fun, than any mmorpg ive tried in months.Its kept me busy, trying to keep my guild lvling.Helping others with heritage.Doing heritages myself.Even though they took the fun out of crafting.Im still doing it.</P> <P>   There are things to do over 50 also.Try mentoring down to help a guildie lvl.Ive done this myself with a few of my guildies.Ton of stuff to do in this game.Just got to find it.Im sure they will add even more stuff to raid later on.</P>

[djewt1]

<DIV>I totally agree whit you, there is TONS of content in this game.</DIV> <DIV>I have been playing EQ2 for 2 1/2 months, and im amazed how much i just totally mist.</DIV> <DIV>The first month me and some RL friends just lvl way to fast, it was real grind.</DIV> <DIV>But after we hit 20 we've begun to do more whit our guild, now im doing lot's of heritage and i like it :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you grind you're way to the top you're gonne get bored, if you take it on a slower pace you're gone have a blast :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Dashofpepp]

<P>To the critics of the critics of the OP:</P> <P>    Regardless of people's intent ing being critical towards another poster's grammar, the underlying objective here is to get the author to post in such a fashion that readers can follow and comprehend.  </P> <P>   You know what?  We know people don't all speak English as a first language.  My native language is German.  I learned English second.  Then French.  Then Korean.  Then Chinese.  When I am writing in another language, I spell check and proofread because the structure of nouns and verbs vary from language to language.  However, the critics of the critics lack some analytical ability.  </P> <P>Just as we should not presume everyone's native language is English, we should also not presume that anyone with poor writing skills is a non-native English speaker.  The OP structures his sentences like a native-english speaker.  Its his writing ability that plagues us--the readers.  </P> <P>For example:</P> <P>A native-English speaker:  I disagree with the author's post.</P> <P>A non-native English speaker:  I disagree with the post of the author.  </P> <P>Those are rough generalizations...but if you are going to so quickly jump to the defense of someone who WANTS to be heard and is doing a VERY ineffective job of communicating, you should more closely examine your position.</P> <P> </P> <P>Retribution -Befallen</P> <P> </P> <P>(PS...I bet if he was not an English speaker, he would say so.  And someone would be happy to translate for him.  AND...I skipped his post after the first two sentences)</P>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>I am not a native english speaker too and since I play, read, watch movies etc. in english to constantly improve I would appreciate it very much if everybody would try his best to write as comprehensible as possible. I f someone is still a schoolkid he could write a disclaimer  - since I have mine in my sig no one attacked me for my (sometimes) weird long sentences so far <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Apart from that - everyone who is posting something wants ME to get HIS message so the responsibility is always the posters. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being lazy with grammar, spelling or even punctuation is nothing less than showing disrespect to every other poster/reader on this board. :smileymad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS: I just used edit to correct an error - why cant someone else too?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tradeskill_Addict on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:04 AM</span>

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amise wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pootski wrote:<BR>Wow!  Please, get some kid to teach you how to spell!  It will really help you in RL.  You cannot be taken seriously in the above post as it sounds like some 5 year old got your keyboard.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree... Plus, learn the difference between REPLY and NEW MESSAGE.</P> <P>Plus saying everyone will be 50 is ignorant. some people prefer the lower level life to the "omg im mor uber than joo"  attitude presented in the end game.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>11:22 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Just FYI, there have been a ton of incidents lately where people try to reply to messages only to find they have instead posted a new one.  I don't think it's indicative of the OP's intelligence or lack thereof that he happened to do this.  The fact that it has only recently started happening so often makes it fairly obvious that it is an issue with the forums and not with the posters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think it's hilarious that you're ragging on this guy's spelling when your grammar and punctuation are far from perfect.  Glass houses and all that. </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Amise on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Theres a difference between less than perfect grammar and spelling, and posts that are completely illegible and impossible to follow. I've seen japanese five year olds write better english.</P> <P>As for the creating a new post instead of replying, its been going on for quite some time, and its very easy to tell if you pay attention to what you are doing at all.</P>

[djewt1]

<P>To the 2 Germans who post in very good English:</P> <P>I think you know a lot of you're fellow Germans don't do such a good job on other languages.</P> <P>While playing other games  (mostly RTS) i noticed a lot of Germans even refusing to speak a other language. I always have to laugh real hard if Arnold is on German television :smileyvery-happy:, you translate everything....</P> <P>What I wanted to say was not everybody value's his grammer like you do (*$%#&! you know a lot of languages Dash), the same as not everybody value's flaming the same. IMO crapy language is not point, but flaming for me is (not saying that you guys flame).</P> <P>But you do have to agree whit the OP that even if his grammer is bad he deserves more than just grammer lesson :smileywink:, a comment on his subject would be nice....</P> <P>Don't mind my grammer, wanted to do a spellcheck but it didn't work :smileyindifferent: </P> <p>Message Edited by djewt1 on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 PM</span>

[Jukk]

<b>I agree with the people being picky about grammar. My native language is not english, but it certainly shows alot of the person - in the way they communicate. I've seen alot of insanly long sentences and bad spelling. It's easy to just give up reading since it feels like the person is just spewing out and blabbering. Please flame me hard if my grammar is bad, I will aim to improve.</b> <div></div>

[Miral]

<P>You see that's what I'm talking about. Not perfect, but perfectly legible, unlike the origional post (or wannabe reply I guess you could call it)</P> <P>BTW The spell checker does seem to be broken, so I appoligize a little bit (still other methods, but the most convenient is gone)</P>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djewt1 wrote:<BR> <P>To the 2 Germans who post in very good English:</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I am not a german though (neither is Arnie - just as a hint) <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Talbot]

<DIV>For the RP aspect....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please argh flame meh I are barbarian.  </DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Talbot wrote:<BR> <DIV>For the RP aspect....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please argh flame meh I are barbarian.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>as a barbarian you'll get an "A" for perfect grammar and spelling -  I didnt know though that "please" does exist in Halasian <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it all depends on the background.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tradeskill_Addict on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:11 AM</span>

[Dashofpepp]

<P>If the Arnie in question is the Guvenator, then we're talking about Austrians.  And if Tradeskill_Addict is Austrian too, I want a cookie for good perception!</P> <P> </P> <P>Retribution - Befallen</P>

[Gno]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>Threads that evolve or devolve into something interesting like this one are a good compensation for plowing through a punishing beginning. I've only a few observations to add.  First, as a native American English speaker, my use of the language is grammatically loose at best and without a spelling checker I'd be too embarrassed to write.  I find it interesting that over the years the people I've met who had the best comprehension of English grammar were not native speakers, but folks who learned the language more formally.  Of course that's partly because I've met far more foreign nationals than English teachers or American linguists. Second, it saddens me whenever people's interactions are tainted by the perception that someone else is not communicating as they should be.  I agree completely that it would be in my best interest to learn to communicate as effectively as possible.  I also believe that it is in my best interest to strive to overcome my natural inclination to prejudice my perception of others based upon my judgement of their communication style, skills or ability.  So many factors determine how a person communicates.  Those factors have little or nothing to do with how intelligent they are or how unique and valuable their ideas may be.  Meeting an autistic person with an open mind can provide a good object lesson in that.  Some folks are freakin' weird in almost every way and astoundingly brilliant in one.  In my limited experience it has seemed to me that a great many people I could easily have glossed over as ignorant or stupid, judging from their communication style, have come up with fascinating ideas and valuable suggestions.  Granted, there is plenty of dross to sift through, but that is true regardless of how well people communicate. Finally, it's too easy to place the primary responsibility for successful communication on the presenter.  Without doubt achieving the illusion of effective communication is easier when the presenter's methods match the listener's predispositions.  I would argue that all too often little significant communication results beyond the mutual affirmation of shared agreement at a superficial level.  The culture shared between the communicators makes them believe and feel as though they understand each other when, if examined more closely, they are each likely to have divergent definitions and experiential understandings of whatever has been communicated.  Although the approach may be more difficult and feel less natural, it seems to be worth significant effort to take more responsibility as a listener to glean whatever could possibly be of value from whatever is being communicated, no matter how distastefully it is presented. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Gnofr on <span class=date_text>04-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:48 AM</span>

[Dashofpepp]

<DIV>Gnofr:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   You write extensively about some valid points; certainly there are brilliant people who do not speak the same language as I do that have brilliant ideas.  I think your post is VERY far out of context.  We're not talking about flaming people who do a poor job of communicating due to disability or language barrier.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets sum up what the OP said:  "This isn't a spelling B...you're all dumb noobs...I'm L50 and worked hard for it...SoE is making this game too easy for you dumb noobs...I hate noobs...everyone except for me is a noob...everyone should feel the pain of my work..."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now...for a post that BEGINS as a flame, I certainly DO place responsibility for effective communication on the OP.  He communicated a poor message poorly.  If this were a post contemplating the effects of quantum-physics on a theoretical market stability hypothesis, or an essay on this, that or the other constructive EQ2 feedback, things would be different.  Those are posts that I struggle through, work to comprehend (as painful as it can be) and offer meaningful feedback too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please...don't equate intelligent but inhibited people with adolescent and illiterate flamers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Retribution - Befallen</DIV>

[Joos]

<DIV> <P><BR><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote: <P>Plus saying everyone will be 50 is ignorant. some people prefer the lower level life to the "omg im mor uber than joo"  attitude presented in the end game.</P> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:22 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hey, are yoo saying you are more uber than me?:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Joosul<BR></P></DIV>

[Gno]

<DIV><!--StartFragment --><!--StartFragment -->I don't disagree Dashofpepper.  Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough regarding the context in referring to "a punishing beginning" and "plenty of dross to sift through."<BR></DIV>