I think SOE is making a big Mistake.

[Jhar]

<DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Well as we all know SOE is turning this game into Noob land, we spend hrs working on access quests.<BR>I Like the fact that it is hard to get into zones I like the Idea we need to run around and do quests to open up new doors, I do not like the fact Noob's are going to be running around with zone access now its not right for those of us who have put time into getting these access completed. <BR> <BR>Character’s I am level 50 now And got nothing to do, I don’t know about other but I do not enjoy playing another class and getting him to level 50 again and doing those quests all over . I have sat here and thought about quitting because at level 50 your just about shut off from the game Even when your in a guild that’s does everything But then again there is not really that much to do . This was way to Easy game is made for 12 year olds and even people at that age are disappointed I would like to see some AA points or something Rewarding at level 50 to keep us higher levels playing..<BR> <BR>Items No drop No trade I can understand this for rare items that’s just normal but for player made items?<BR>Attuned? we are not Robots if I can Buy something from a vendor/player there should be no reason I can not Sell it that’s is just plane stupid SOE really needs to get with it or players and myself are going to move on to something better...</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Thanks for correcting me great job on acting like an Azz and I been playing eq from day one never mind eq2 I’m sure the noob talking is the ones who criticize and act the way you did.<BR></DIV></SPAN><p>Message Edited by Jhardy on <span class=date_text>04-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 PM</span>

[Rock]

You need a spell checker.

[deathsangel44]

That remark is just wrong.What does spelling have to do with ideas and content.Perhaps,you need a manner's check

[Proudfoot]

<span><blockquote><hr>Jhardy wrote:<div></div> <div><strong><em>Well as we all know SOE is turning this game into Noob land, We spend howers working on access quests,Game name is Everquest.</em></strong></div><hr></blockquote>Please explain this statement. Are you one of the impressionable young people who, by association, figured this game was EQ1 with better graphics? Aside from spelling, try reading as well, the documentation, press reviews/previews all state that this IS NOT EVERQUEST 2.0! You like to work? Great get a job or play EQ1.</span><div></div>

[TheWhiteRaid]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> deathsangel44 wrote:<BR>What does spelling have to do with ideas and content. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Kind of hard to get the idea when you can't read what the guy is saying.   It also is there to sound inteligent.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing I will say is please don't write in bold it is hard on the eyes.   It is ment to high light a word not an entire post.</DIV>

[TheWhiteRaid]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <STRONG><EM>but for player made items ?</EM></STRONG> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Attuned ? we are not Robots if I can Buy somthing from a vendor/player there should be no reason I can not Sell it thats is just plane stuped SOE really needs to get with it or players and myself are gooing to move on to somthign better...</EM></STRONG></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>It was the players that asked for it.   The whole point is so that way the market isn't flooded with non-consumable items.    </DIV>

[Kemi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jhardy wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><EM>Items No drop No trade i can understand this for rare items thats just normal but for player made items ?</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>Attuned ? we are not Robots if I can Buy somthing from a vendor/player there should be no reason I can not Sell it</EM> <U><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>thats is just plane stuped SOE</FONT></STRONG></U> <EM>really needs to get with it or players and myself are gooing to move on to somthign better...</EM></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jhardy on <SPAN class=date_text>04-03-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:27 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well no, that is actually just plain stupid right there Billy Bob.<BR>

[narcoleptic_l]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jhardy wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Well as we all know SOE is turning this game into Noob land, We spend howers working on access quests,Game name is Everquest.</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>I Like the fact that it is hard to get into zones I liek the Idea we need to run around and do quests to open up new doors , I do not liek tha fact Noob's are gonna be running around with zone access now its not right for those of us who have put time into getting these access completed. </EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Caractor's i am lvl 50 now And got nothing to do, i dont know about outher but I do not enjoy playing anouther class and getting him to lvl 50 again and dooing those quests all over . i have sat here and thought about quiting because at lvl 50 your just about shut off from the game Even when your in a guild thats does everything But then again there is not really that much to do . This was way to Easey game is made for 12 year olds and even people at that age are disapointed i would liek to see some AA points or somthing Rewarding at lvl 50 to keep us higher lvls playing..</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Items No drop No trade i can understand this for rare items thats just normal but for player made items ?</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Attuned ? we are not Robots if I can Buy somthing from a vendor/player there should be no reason I can not Sell it thats is just plane stuped SOE really needs to get with it or players and myself are gooing to move on to somthign better...</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jhardy on <SPAN class=date_text>04-03-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:27 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think you should have left the capslock key on... I'd probably 5 star you just for the entertainment value of your post.</P> <P>Take a look at what the patchnotes actually say...</P> <P>- The following instanced zones now only require one group member to have the access quest completed to allow all members to enter:</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Antonica: Firemyst Gully</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Stormhold: Tomb of Valor</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Temple of Cazic-Thule: Sanctum of Fear</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- The Commonlands: Zarvonn's Valley</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Everfrost: Miragul's Menagerie</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Everfrost: Icespire Summit</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Fallen Gate: The Vault of the Fallen</P> <P><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>- The Feerrott: Trembling Lagoon</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- The Thieves' Way: Den of the Darkblade Assassins</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- The Serpent Sewers: The Serpent's Lair</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Deathfist Citadel</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Permafrost:<SPAN>  </SPAN>Drayek's Chamber</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- The Vermin's Snye: Sepulcher of Jhanda</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- DraflingTower</P> <P><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>- Runnyeye: Overlord's Throne Room</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Solusek's Eye: Bastion of Flames</P> <P><SPAN>  </SPAN>- Ruins of Varsoon:<SPAN>  </SPAN>Chamber of Immortality</P> <P>No where in there do I see any mention of "Noob's" getting free access to your precious content, that you obviously pay more a month than the rest of the community to hold on to. The access quests are still there, the redundancy of having to get EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN YOUR RAID/PARTY thru those access quests has been removed. The zones themselves have not been dumbed down. BTW, there isn't anything "challenging" about doing the same quest over and over again until all of your guildies have that flag. The real challenge is the content in those zones... show me where they have made these encounters easier to complete so that 12 year olds (who btw can spell alot better than you can) are able to walk right in and get that same uber piece of magical garbage you hold so dear.</P> <P>Oh yeah, they are also instanced... which incase you don't understand the meaning of that term in reference to this game: You're own zone... You'll never have to compete with these players in these zones, ever.</P> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by narcoleptic_ltd on <span class=date_text>04-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:28 PM</span>

[TheGeneral]

I walked to school barefoot in the snow and uphill both ways!

[narcoleptic_l]

<span><blockquote><hr>TheGeneral wrote:I walked to school barefoot in the snow and uphill both ways! <div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I didn't see the point in that game anymore once they added the bus system in the last expansion, I just canceled my account and got GED: wage wars 2.</span><div></div>

[tek2]

I for one llike this change, mustve taken me hours of camping to get chamber of immortality access, and then days of waiting to get a group with other people who all had access to go kill varsoon.  Its good because most of these zones are rarely used right now because its hard to get a bunch of people together who all have access that want to go in the zone the same time as you do. Its not going to stop me from doing the access quests though i will still do them so I can be the one to take people in if no one else has access.

[Dashofpepp]

<P>JUST THIS ONCE!!!</P> <P>    In the spirit of writing runon sentences and poor grammar i will do my best to follow the traditions ladi down by the op although i have a hard time writing with as poor spelling as he does anyway there certainly is no reference to noobs being given the reign of the land nor of any certain twelve year olds being denied special privilege to zone content that will now be available to the general populace and this one time at bandcamp well nevermind that part but like i was saying noobs arent going to take over the game from the 1337 g4m3rz who have no life and no job and responsibilities and are able to play this game 20 hours a day they are just going to make it so that the by and large majority of us who have a long day at work and come home to RELAX can find EQ2 relaxing not work and if you really think that eq2 was meant to be work then go back to evercamp 1 really and you can have all the ub4h 1337 planes of power sword of godsmack +10 but this game isn't a revamp of eq1 tyvm buh-bye now.</P> <P> </P> <P>*NOTE*  For the rest of the community, that was basically a comparatively brief synopsis of they difference between MMOS in this genre.  And playing schedules.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Retribution - Befallen</P>

[Pry]

<DIV>I think the change is a good thing.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are two archaic theories in the world of MMOG's:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1)  Camping Mobs = Great Challenge </DIV> <DIV>2)  20 people Camping the Same Mob = Even Bigger Challenge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There hasn't been one quest, not one, that I haven't finished eventually.  And given the argument of "I worked so hard and now it's going to be given away!", is simply not true.  All of those quests are going to be completed, "noob (as you say)" or not.  Someone will find a way to get access, and in turn they will get the reward.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Camping mobs and progressive spawning makes for a not fun game.  I am not sure why standing in the same spot, killing gray mobs for no experience or loot for countless hours equates to a challenge to the OP, but that is what is happening.  Took me about 4 hours to get access to COI at 38.  Was incredibly boring and zero challenge.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A better solution is triggered spawns (such as those in AQ6 and Zek access quests), and instanced zones.  If you are taking away long, boring, and simple access quests from the majority of the people it is nothing but a good thing.  And it's not going to violate your leetness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think they should open up any zone that requires the camping of mobs for long periods of time (are there any left?).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff00ff>Vitesse Errdegahi</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff00ff>Guild Leader</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff00ff><Night's Dark Terror></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff00ff>Antonia Bayle</FONT></DIV>

[StoneyPen]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>deathsangel44 wrote:That remark is just wrong.What does spelling have to do with ideas and content.Perhaps,you need a manner's check<hr></blockquote></span><p>Because it's not just spelling, the post is in general ungrammatical and extremely hard to read.  Unless the OP is a non-native speaker or 10 years old, that post is just plain sub-literate.  Who is going to take someone's ideas all that seriously when it looks like they dropped out in eighth grade hmmmmm?  <font color="#ffff00"> If the OP is level 50 and needs something to do I suggest Hooked On Phonics.</font></p><p>Considering that the OP is so condescending  in his assessment of "Noob" players, whose presence in HIS zones is ruining HIS game, he shouldn't expect any leeway when he comes barging into the forums as an obvious "Noob" language user, or an incompetent one.  </p><div></div><p>Message Edited by StoneyPenny on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:22 PM</span>

[Drfeelgood0]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jhardy wrote:<BR> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Well as we all know SOE is turning this game into <U><STRONG>Noob </STRONG></U>land, we spend hrs working on access quests.</SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The word "noob" said it all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't blame SOE for grinding as fast as possible to 50 and getting bored.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First of all, as it seems you're not a "noobie" but a "real" gamer, try to  not use spoiler sites which give you all informations about quests , rewards, maps, npc loc , etc .....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2/ do harvesting and crafting</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3/ help others fellow players ( most important point )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you did this , you would be far from 50 and not bored.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And by the way, avoid to call people noobies, its just plain rude and is the best way to look like a jerk.<BR></DIV> <DIV>If you re so hardcore , find yourself a PvP game, with all equipment lootable, then come back to talk, uber d00de -)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[a6eaq]

<DIV>Then quit.</DIV>

[Viroxi]

<DIV>While the OP did not present his case eloquently, he does have valid points. For all of you flaming , (and deservedly so since he called people noobs in his post) I sincerely hope your unintelligent posts were fueled by anger and not by a true point of view, that being that the game is ok as is, and that it's not getting easier. There are too many people saying the same thing now, and the vocal minority are those saying that all is well in Norrath. People are leaving the game, lots of them , in droves. This is sad. It's fairly obvious that the devs are thinking "let's make it more like WOW" since WOW has so many subscriptions. I mean, there are posts and posts with changes that correlate so blatantly to WOW's scheme, it would be moronic to think otherwise. Or just someone in a serious state of delusion. I personally don't like many of the impending changes, however I think it's too early to say what EQ2 will be, and so with the investment in, and hope for the game that I have, I'll keep playing and see what happens. However, at this point I think the game is moving in the wrong direction. That's all this poster (and again I totally do not defend his way of saying it) was saying. There are tons of people saying the same thing, it's a consensus if you will, fansites say the exact same thing, as do reviews, and re-reviews. If you like the game the way it is, then I'm glad for you, and you have a right to that opinion, just as those of us who do not like things the way they are have the same right to a differing opinion. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let's all hope, that are in the "the game is getting to easy with a lack of high end content" corner...that the devs realize what made EQ1 so great for so long. Yes, everyone that says "this isn't EQ1 with better graphics" is right, it isn't...but maybe it should be.</DIV>

[StoneyPen]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr><font size="3">Viroxian wrote: </font><div><font size="3">While the OP did not present his case eloquently, he does have valid points. For all of you flaming , (and deservedly so since he called people noobs in his post) I sincerely hope your unintelligent posts were fueled by anger and not by a true point of view, that being that the game is ok as is, and that it's not getting easier. </font><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>I'll pit my intelligence against yours any day buddy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . Actually his points, while he does have a right to his opinion, as do you, are not as obviously valid as you say. <span> </span>I just didn’t bother to answer his ideas since he didn’t bother to make them legible. </span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span></span><span><span></span>In fact many folks do not equate tedium with difficulty, and think that the folks saying this game is too easy should go get a job and a life, or make some friends in game to help and interact with, giving them something to do at level 50.  My apologies to the many harcore gamers who indeed have a job and a life, but then you are probably not the ones repeatedly insulting the casual gamer on these boards and so this isn't directed at you anyway.</span></font><font size="3"> </font></p><font size="3">There are too many people saying the same thing now, and the vocal minority are those saying that all is well in Norrath. People are leaving the game, lots of them , in droves. </font><font size="3"><span><font color="#6633ff">YES folks are leaving, and many of them are leaving because the game is a grind, and not the casual player friendly game it was marketed to be.  You think SoE can't track who's leaving and who's staying?  If people were indeed leaving in droves because the game is not enough of a grind for them to feel uber, trust me, SoE would be making the game more tedious. </font></span></font><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span></span></font><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><font color="#6633ff">The fact that they are removing some of the</font> time sinks from the game indicates that the people who don't want to, or have time to grind are the majority, and that many of the people leaving are doing so because they were advertised a casual player friendly game and found that the game as launched did not live up to that marketing promise.  </font><font size="3"></font></p><font size="3"><span></span><font color="#6633ff"><span><span>I'm not saying that SoE shouldn't replace some of the time sinks with elements that TRULY would increase difficulty.  For example they could make quest riddles harder to solve and make knowledge of lore essential to completing a quest.  That way they "uber doods" who think that they are hot *$%#&! because they have nothing to do but play 12 hours a day might actually get a chance to feel their brains flexing (if they don’t run straight to a site to get the walkthrough).</span></span></font><font color="#6633ff"><span>  </span></font><span><!-- [if !supportLineBreakNewLine] --><!-- [endif] --></span> This is sad. It's fairly obvious that the devs are thinking "let's make it more like WOW" since WOW has so many subscriptions. I mean, there are posts and posts with changes that correlate so blatantly to WOW's scheme, it would be moronic to think otherwise. Or just someone in a serious state of delusion. I personally don't like many of the impending changes, however I think it's too early to say what EQ2 will be, and so with the investment in, and hope for the game that I have, I'll keep playing and see what happens. However, at this point I think the game is moving in the wrong direction. That's all this poster (and again I totally do not defend his way of saying it) was saying. </font><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>Actually what is moronic is all the folks who, despite SoE's emphatic and repeated claims that this IS NOT EQ1, NOR  IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE EQ1, still think that every change that makes the game less of a grind than EQ1 is sacrilege.  Equally moronic is the idea that at level 50 you should have a game that's as hard as it is going to get, when SoE has repeatedly noted that the level cap on the game is 200.</span></font><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>  </span></font><font size="3"><span><!-- [if !supportLineBreakNewLine] --><!-- [endif] --></span>There are tons of people saying the same thing, it's a consensus if you will, fansites say the exact same thing, as do reviews, and re-reviews. If you like the game the way it is, then I'm glad for you, and you have a right to that opinion, just as those of us who do not like things the way they are have the same right to a differing opinion. </font><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>Lots of people don't make a consensus...please look up the word.  Even 50%, or more, of players agreeing doesn't make a consensus. </span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>No my friend, what we have here is controversy.   </span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" size="3"><span>There are easily as many, if not more, players who like the changes SoE is implementing and want the casual friendly game we were promised.  </span></font></p><p><font size="3"><font color="#6633ff"><span>Do we want the hardcore gamers driven from the game?  Certainly not.  I would love for SoE to give those guys more raids and more to do.  There DOES indeed need to be more and better high end content.<span>  </span>But why does it have to be at the expense of the casual player’s fun? <span> </span>SoE can add high end content without making it take 2 years for the casual player to get there. SoE is interested in a wider audience than the niche market of gamers who can play for hours on end, and believe me, you guys are now a niche market.Oh and of course you have a right to your opinion.... as much as I have a right to show you each and every way I find your opinion bunk <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .</span></font><span></span></font></p><font size="3">Let's all hope, that are in the "the game is getting to easy with a lack of high end content" corner...that the devs realize what made EQ1 so great for so long. Yes, everyone that says "this isn't EQ1 with better graphics" is right, it isn't...but maybe it should be.</font></div><font color="#6633ff" size="3"> <span>Nope it shouldn't be, wasn't intended to be, and if SoE has half a clue, won't be.  If EQ1 game dynamics make your nipples all hard, go play it-- it is still out there, and the original EQ games are STILL releasing expansion packs.  If you want to play EQ2, then learn to live in a world where the rules are different.</span></font><p><font size="3"><span><font color="#9933ff">P.S. I know I was a bit harsh here on the hardcore players who want the game to keep the time-sinks they love so much.</font><font color="#9933ff"><span>  </span></font><font color="#9933ff">To be honest I have nothing against hardcore gamers, many friends of mine fit in that category, and at times I have myself.</font><font color="#9933ff"><span>  </span></font><font color="#9933ff">But I am sick to death of the condescending attitude that many of them repeatedly display on these boards towards casual gamers and casual play. </font><font color="#9933ff"><span> </span></font></span></font></p><p><font size="3"><span><font color="#9933ff">Considering that I spent my 6-12 hours a day getting educated instead of playing EQ1 non-stop, being called a *noob*, dummy, or a [Removed for Content], and being accused of impatience and a desire for instant gratification because I use this game to relax rather than as a pitiful way to have some sort, any sort, of “accomplishment” (a word the ‘uber’ like to bandy about as to why time sinks are so important) in my life, has finally [Removed for Content] me off beyond the boiling point.</font><span><font color="#9933ff"> </font> </span></span><span></span></font></p><font size="3"> </font><hr></blockquote></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by StoneyPenny on <span class="date_text">04-06-2005</span> <span class="time_text">11:08 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by StoneyPenny on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 AM</span>

[Anlari]

Hmm, well according to all the arguments I fit in the "hardcore" catagory except that I might play 4-5 hours per week.  That's pretty casual playing time, more so them most of the casual players here sayign they can't get things done.  Even with 4 hours a week I get things done.  Just call a spade a spade and say you don't have the patience for that style of game, don't keep saying camp times are anti-casual and you don't have enough time.

[StoneyPen]

<span><blockquote><hr>Anlarius wrote:Hmm, well according to all the arguments I fit in the "hardcore" catagory except that I might play 4-5 hours per week.  That's pretty casual playing time, more so them most of the casual players here sayign they can't get things done.  Even with 4 hours a week I get things done.  Just call a spade a spade and say you don't have the patience for that style of game, don't keep saying camp times are anti-casual and you don't have enough time. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I find it very interesting that somehow my last reply to this was deleted with no mention, just poof gone, but I'll call a spade a spade AGAIN and say you are full of it if you claim you are getting anything significant done in only four hours a week <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . At least  what non exp-grinding players would consider significant. </span><div></div>

[Aethn]

<DIV>Hey its not fair, when I bought my truck 5 years ago I had crank by hand windows and no AC.  Now you have gone all "noobLand" on the new trucks and given them power windows and AC.  LAME!!!  Thats so unfair.  I give you guys 14 days to give me power windows and AC or I quit driving my truck !!!</DIV><p>Message Edited by Aethn on <span class=date_text>04-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:17 PM</span>

[Anlari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StoneyPenny wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anlarius wrote:<BR>Hmm, well according to all the arguments I fit in the "hardcore" catagory except that I might play 4-5 hours per week.  That's pretty casual playing time, more so them most of the casual players here sayign they can't get things done.  Even with 4 hours a week I get things done.  Just call a spade a spade and say you don't have the patience for that style of game, don't keep saying camp times are anti-casual and you don't have enough time. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I find it very interesting that somehow my last reply to this was deleted with no mention, just poof gone, but I'll call a spade a spade AGAIN and say you are full of it if you claim you are getting anything significant done in only four hours a week <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . At least  what non exp-grinding players would consider significant. <BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well I consider having a few heritage quests finished signifigant.  One of which is the GLS quest which people complain about the spawn times on.  You are right though, that may not be signifigant to some players.

[Pry]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anlarius wrote:<BR>Hmm, well according to all the arguments I fit in the "hardcore" catagory except that I might play 4-5 hours per week.  That's pretty casual playing time, more so them most of the casual players here sayign they can't get things done.  Even with 4 hours a week I get things done.  Just call a spade a spade and say you don't have the patience for that style of game, don't keep saying camp times are anti-casual and you don't have enough time. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Anlarius the argument from the folks on the "Anti-Camp" side (if I may call it that) aren't that it's too hard, or that they don't have patience, or that there is no time to do it in their schedule.  These are sub arguments to the larger issue.  </P> <P>The main disagrement stems from killing hundreds of mobs to make something spawn, and in making these mobs spawn you have to compete for the right to kill the placeholder mobs (which are usually grey and give no reward or experience), and always carries the risk of someone taking the needed mob after <EM>you</EM> have worked hard to spawn them.  </P> <P>Furthermore, there are larger number of people at any given time that are after these spawns, and fewer instances to support them.  </P> <P>I want to give you an example of what I consider to be a great and worthwhile quest that doesn't involve camping lesser mobs to get a bigger one to spawn, and that is the Zek Access quest.  It's challenging, it has triggered spawns which attack you appropriately, those triggered spawns drop loot and give experience, and it takes takes time and skill to complete it.</P> <P>A bad and boring quest is one where 20 groups jam themselves into zone X to wait on mob Y, which may or may not spawn in a large amount of time.  Where the PH mobs are grey, thus giving no XP or Loot.  </P> <P>It's almost like saying, "Yes!  I love waiting in line at the supermarket to buy 1 loaf of bread because I will appreciate it more when I finally get through the long line!"  Even though out of 20 aisles the only one that has a cashier is yours, thereby forcing you to wait needlessly behind the lady with the 2 shopping carts filled with groceries.  And when you finally do get through after hours of waiting someone grabs your marble rye and starts running down the street with it.   </P> <P>My bread doesn't taste better making me wait for it, it just makes me more irritated. </P> <P><FONT color=#ff00ff>Vitesse Errdegahi</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff00ff>Guild Leader, Night's Dark Terror</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff00ff>Antonia Bayle</FONT></P>

[Viroxi]

<DIV>Stoneypenny, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Most of your arguments against me insinuated that I support "the grind" Nowhere in my post did I support, or suggest that more of a "grind" is what was needed. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Secondly, I never asked anyone to pit their intelligence against me, nor I them. If you'd like I can point out all the grammatical errors in your post, but that's just a ridiculous way to act so I won't. I don't doubt your intelligence, but from your post I doubt your ability to entertain anyone elses opinion rationally, without resorting to personal attacks and off-topic arguments. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You inferred quite a bit into my post that simply wasn't there. However, I'll agree to disagree and that is fine. What the real issue is here, is that people are leaving the game. You can believe what you want as to the reasons, and I'll believe what I choose to. I have no personal feelings (or at least did not) toward you , so why attack my post so emphatically? I certainly attacked noone in mine. </DIV>

[Dimidri]

<DIV>Some mod/dev (forgot who) posted that the EQ2 population is indeed growing, but that was a few weeks ago. I think a lot of it has to do with the Isle of Trial (or whatever it's called). Also, EQLive players are probably starting to migrate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE is giving people what they want, but also they are concerned with the long term health of the game (attuning for example).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO, the game is easy because whoever spams their skill faster (your party or the mob) wins. There are no tactics =/</DIV>

[JSMINTAM]

Some basic principles for all you long-winded people who didn't understand the spirit of the initial post: 1. All MMORPGs are easy. Why? It's an effing game. 2. EQ2 is getting even easier. The imbued changes, stat bonuses from food to dolls now, higher drop rates on master items, etc. 3. The rate of "getting easy" is detracting from the achievements of the people who "levelled quickly." Though the levelling quickly part is laughable. I don't understand how those of you who eschew "quick levelling" for seeing content aren't levelling, since content = quests = xp. Or is your content a walking tour of the Commonlands? Harvesting rates, imbued rare armors, all of it leaves players past a certain point screwed. Already had 3, 4 pieces of ebon armor before the imbued change? Oh, you aren't an armorer? Yeah. You have access to most of the instanced zones, as well as your guild, achieved during one get go and not 6 or 12 because you can communicate? Guess you should have been, um, harvesting more until the latest patch, because now only one of you needs that access. And the list goes on, and the trend gets worse. And it DOES make it easier. Don't like the word noob? How about newbie? Oh that's right - you prefer "casual player". And that's great, because it boils down to the fact that we are all paying $15 a month to beta test, and that only becomes more and more clear the further we go on. Can't wait for the mitigation revamp!!! <div></div>

[minem]

<P>Theres a different between a challenge and major time sinks....</P> <P>Give us tougher mobs , harder quests but dear god no more time sinks.</P> <P>Most of us cant afford to play 1 game for 40 hours a week, some of us who are actually gamers want to play multiple games.</P> <P>Make it harder but please leave out the stupid time sinks...</P> <P> </P>

[Effulgen]

I agree for the most part with the topic creators point about SOE constantly making the game more noob-friendly.  It seems like every patch theyre making some amount of quests much much easier because people are willing to complain on the forums.  I would much rather see the correction of bugs such as that in the weaponsmith class than I would *fixes* like only needing one player to get into the Bastion of Flames, making Saving Soles not only a very easy quest but one that can be completed in a few hours. <div></div>