Combine changes in Heritage Quests

[Kalebs]

<DIV>OK I really dont care about these as I have them done already:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>- Shroud of the Manastone now requires a Glimmering Tooth instead of an Engraved Hide Plate, and also needs an Etched Hide Plate.</P> <P>- The Stein of Moggok will now require a Glimmering Stone instead of a Faceted Opal.</P> <P>- The Polished Granite Tomahawk will now require a Sparkling Flower instead of a Fir Stave.<SPAN>  </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>I didnt pay for any of them anyway. But C'MON..for 8 lvls ive been harvesting T5 tring to get an ebon for the BBC. WHY in the name of god did they NOT give us a NEW combine for the BBC? Its the worst one by far and not any harder to complete than the Stein. I realize that the Stein is a T4 item, but even if you had to buy an Opal for 50g makes ALOT more sense than 3pp for me to finish a Heritage I cant use. I am asking for the same courtesy for a change in the item required to do the BBC. ANy others think its bogus?</SPAN></P></DIV>

[Tova]

<DIV>Personally I think it's bogus to introduce these changes at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's a slap in the face to anyone that's completed these quests the hard way. And it trivializes the items.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/shrug</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kalebs]

I couldnt agree more but is it not right to give a change for all if you are going to do 3 of them? It would at least make up for those that arent done w/ all 4 and spent alot to complete...say 2 of them.

[tek2]

<DIV>awesome change, ty SOE <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Ibis]

I agree in full with the OP.  and I realize that the GBS is a bit different but it'd be nice if it could be applied in this situation as well. <div></div>

[Kalebs]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tek2k5 wrote:<BR> <DIV>awesome change, ty SOE <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No its NOT tek. Awesome for lazy people. Not awesome for people that spent 3pp to do their heritages.

[Max122]

<DIV>I really think this is a good change and yeah they should change the ebon cluster as well only fair if they want it harder make you get more than one luminous item or something like that.  But real reason I like this is it frees up crafters to actually make items from these things specially the fir and high quality pelt.  It would cost a fortune for a light armor class to get a full set of tier 4 rare gear if they so chose. Yes it does suck for those who has done them already I just did Stein last night and paid 50g for opal just the way it is.</DIV>

[kr8ztwin]

awesome for people that want to have more time to play but don't

[Tova]

<DIV>These Heritage Items were supposed to be rare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not everyone was supposed to be able to get everything easily.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When you DID finally get it, you felt you actually achieved something special. Something worthwhile. Your hard work/persistance was rewarded. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now everyone will have the same items. Everyone will be a Lore Seeker. There's nothing special about these quests any more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dear SOE... I'd like a refund on my Piece of Fir, my Ebon Cluster, my High Quality Pelt, and my Opal please, thank you.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ibis]

Lore seeker isnt hard to get as it is. Quests shouldn't be un-fun simply to provide you with bragging rights.  I never agreed with the consumption of these resources in these quests even though I've done PGT, GBS, Manastone, and SoM.  I've yet to complete EBBC b/c of the sword of thunder.  I have no problems with people being able to come behind me completing them with less expense b/c that stage of the quest was not fun for me or anyone else and I disagree with un-fun quests. A better solution would have been a change to harvesting to make it more parellel to adventuring in the way that if I want to hunt lizardmen for rare lizardmen stuff, I go find lizardmen and begin.  If I want to mine rocks I apparently just wander aimlessly looking for loose rocks.  That is silly.  If I could go out and really spend some effort mining in a real "mining" environment I wouldn't mind in the least the requirement of an ebon cluster, but the point and click random BS across an entire zone is not fun, and neither is coughing up any amount of cash to a very lucky individual for the piece you need. <div></div>

[tek2]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ibishi wrote:<BR>Lore seeker isnt hard to get as it is. Quests shouldn't be un-fun simply to provide you with bragging rights.  I never agreed with the consumption of these resources in these quests even though I've done PGT, GBS, Manastone, and SoM.  I've yet to complete EBBC b/c of the sword of thunder.  I have no problems with people being able to come behind me completing them with less expense b/c that stage of the quest was not fun for me or anyone else and I disagree with un-fun quests.<BR><BR>A better solution would have been a change to harvesting to make it more parellel to adventuring in the way that if I want to hunt lizardmen for rare lizardmen stuff, I go find lizardmen and begin.  If I want to mine rocks I apparently just wander aimlessly looking for loose rocks.  That is silly.  If I could go out and really spend some effort mining in a real "mining" environment I wouldn't mind in the least the requirement of an ebon cluster, but the point and click random BS across an entire zone is not fun, and neither is coughing up any amount of cash to a very lucky individual for the piece you need.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>yea exactly...since when is running around for countless hours mining random spawns of rocks to complete a quest fun. So many ppl are lvl 35+ now on my server Enchanted Lands and Zek its almost impossible to find rocks and dens now with all the people trying to harvest...its rediculous.  I didnt even use the manastone or stein anyways, just sold to vendor. So why should I have to pay 2plat or run around a zone for days to move 2 of my active quests into the completed column.</DIV> <DIV>The heritages will still take a long time to complete, just less time then now and less cost for some. Its not that Lore Seeker title is too easy to get, its the amount of people leveling keeps increasing obviously because the game has been live 6 months now almost so you see more people with the title.</DIV><p>Message Edited by tek2k5 on <span class=date_text>04-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:51 PM</span>

[Kalebs]

Personally I have 19 completed and do not plan to get to 20 soon as COKT is alot of running and tough even with invis and seems not many are really interested in the item (I dont know why). GEBs for my guild at this time is not yet achievable. The BBC requires a rare that is tooooooooo rare and the price is all jacked to the fizzuking sky because the people that havest them get greedy as they know that some lazy guardian is going to be willing to pay 872374PP for their BBC so they can make the EBBC. Personally I dont need the item bout YOU try talking someone down on an ebon, not gonna happen. I harvest ALOT 8 levels of T5 and not 1 ebon. Got a bent ebon disk but guess what.. its the ONLY rare that cant be substituted for the heritage item.I dont have SoT so I won't be making the EBBC, only the BBC as their is no benefit for me to pay/mentor for a Berik's. So something should be done IMO for the BBC.

[tek2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kalebson wrote:<BR>Personally I have 19 completed and do not plan to get to 20 soon as COKT is alot of running and tough even with invis and seems not many are really interested in the item (I dont know why). GEBs for my guild at this time is not yet achievable. The BBC requires a rare that is tooooooooo rare and the price is all jacked to the fizzuking sky because the people that havest them get greedy as they know that some lazy guardian is going to be willing to pay 872374PP for their BBC so they can make the EBBC. Personally I dont need the item bout YOU try talking someone down on an ebon, not gonna happen. I harvest ALOT 8 levels of T5 and not 1 ebon. Got a bent ebon disk but guess what.. its the ONLY rare that cant be substituted for the heritage item.I dont have SoT so I won't be making the EBBC, only the BBC as their is no benefit for me to pay/mentor for a Berik's. So something should be done IMO for the BBC. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>relating back to your first post Im also on the ebon for the BBC and yea its stupid why they dont change that too.. I havent found an ebon yet in 5lvls of t5 harvesting but honestly if I did it wouldnt go to some stupid heritage quest item I cant use, Id have an ebon weapon or armor made.</DIV>

[Ziroc]

<span><blockquote><hr>Max122 wrote:<div>I really think this is a good change and yeah they should change the ebon cluster as well only fair if they want it harder make you get more than one luminous item or something like that.  <b>But real reason I like this is it frees up crafters to actually make items from these things specially the fir and high quality pelt. </b> </div><hr></blockquote>That is why they changed the quests they changed is because crafters were unable to make the armor and other items made from those tier harvests due to the inflatted prices. They did not change BBC because even they removed Ebon from that quest Ebon would still cost 1pp or more from people actually wanting to use it for weapons and armor. But, no one wants to pay 1pp or more for a suit of Engraved Armor (Armor thats made from HQ Pelts). They made these changes more for the crafters than for people doing the quests. As fir making the </span><span>quest easier, for the Stien of Moggok and  PGT it does since you can now harvest 2 different Nodes for the Stien (Feyiron and Velium nodes), and 4 nodes for PGT (Wood, Roots, Bushes, and Mushrooms). The Manastone however is only made slightly easier as the only node to get a Tooth from is Dens.</span><div></div>

[Vulking]

<P>Why don't we just change this game so that it takes just tin clusters to get the heritage items made!  That way anyone can do it. </P> <P><STRONG> OH I know!!</STRONG> Why don't we just make the game so easy that you can just sit in your inn room and gain a level for every day that you do not play.  That way in 43 days you can go from a level 7 to 50!! </P> <P> </P> <P>PS: Everyone should be able to start the game with 50 plat.  Its only fair.</P>

[tek2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hammarus wrote:<BR> <P>Why don't we just change this game so that it takes just tin clusters to get the heritage items made!  That way anyone can do it. </P> <P><STRONG> OH I know!!</STRONG> Why don't we just make the game so easy that you can just sit in your inn room and gain a level for every day that you do not play.  That way in 43 days you can go from a level 7 to 50!! </P> <P> </P> <P>PS: Everyone should be able to start the game with 50 plat.  Its only fair.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>These boards should be changed so that nobody with an IQ under 80 should be able to post.<BR>

[iceriven2]

I have mixed feeling about this change.  First i know why the DEVs decided on the change becuase it now frees up those rares for the craftable items and hopefully return the price to a reasonable range. Second i bought the rares i needed.  Thats about 2pp spent on trying to finish 2 so far i can never use, and 1 I can use  the stein, but have yet finished(i bought the opal for it).  If they are going to make these changes even though its for something good the ppl who spent all that time and money should get something back.  My idea is, flag every heritage in the game before patch  in some way so when  i go  up to a certian npc  he is amazed at seeing the item and in return for letting him "see" he gives us a quest where in exchange for the new glimmering and other new stuff we need he gives us our rare back so we can use it for furniture or spells and stuff. Third, i spent several hours alrdy looking for a ebon still too broke to buy one for 3pp.  If they are going to change them the least they can do is change the most outrages one.  Ebon is harder to get only becuase less ppl harvest in those zone compared to t4.  Also it makes awsome armor some tanks are buying it for that.  I would like it to be changed to a glimmering thing too. <div></div>

[Kalebs]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hammarus wrote:<BR> <P>Why don't we just change this game so that it takes just tin clusters to get the heritage items made!  That way anyone can do it. </P> <P><STRONG> OH I know!!</STRONG> Why don't we just make the game so easy that you can just sit in your inn room and gain a level for every day that you do not play.  That way in 43 days you can go from a level 7 to 50!! </P> <P> </P> <P>PS: Everyone should be able to start the game with 50 plat.  Its only fair.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Noone is asking for that you blind idiot. All that is being said is that it really is not right to change 3 and not change them all. The BBC is in theory harder to obtain unless you have 2pp to pay for something you cant use...OR havest for 3 months trying to get a cluster yourself. I have NO issues havesting an ebon. I dont mind it at all. BUT if you are going to make it so darn easy to do the other 3 then why not all of them. It has nothing to do with fair...its about common sense.

[Blackdog183]

I think this chane is for the better myself.  The fact that these quests required a rare did not serve to make them any more challenging, just more expensive and/or frustrating trying to get ahold of the rare.  I personally welcome the change.

[Vulking]

<P><STRONG>Blind Idiot???    IQ of 80....</STRONG>  </P> <P><STRONG>Sounds like a few lazy people want to have their cake and eat it too!!</STRONG> </P> <P>What you are suggesting by saying that they do for all, because they did for 3, being just common sense, <STRONG>is saying you condone what they are proposing</STRONG>.  Even though you go on to say you don't mind mining for the ebon.</P> <P> I worked hard to aquire the rares for these items!!  I went thru the agonizingly boring harvesting sessions looking for these and even spent some coin for one I just couldn't find.  You would ask that all that effort and that of others be diminished or even trivialized because you whine;  Its too hard!, I can't find the rares!, They cost too much!  People are over-charging!! etc....  And in response they propose nerfing  the quests.</P> <P>If you want it so easy  then, why don't you just go buy some plat from IGE to pay for the expensive rares.  Oh thats right! That would be bad.  What they are proposing to do is just as bad.</P> <P>Better yet maybe they should add;  tutorial, beginner, normal, hard and challenging settings to the game that way you can always win buy playing in beginner mode.</P><p>Message Edited by Hammarus on <span class=date_text>04-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:06 PM</span>

[Sarelin-SeisB]

<DIV>All I want to know is what's the command to get my refund for my Ebon cluster, 2 Opals, 2 Firs and 2 HQ pelts I've used up doing these quests?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(yeah I heard they changed the BBC not to use an Ebon but it wasn't in the patch notes).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[BlueKnightLPL]

<P>Life goes on,          Things change!</P> <P>Deal with it!</P> <UL> <LI>provide feedback within game /feedback command</LI> <LI>post CONSTRUCTIVE ideas on forums (I guarentee the devs don't read whining complaints)</LI> <LI>Keep breathing - and have fun ... this is a GAME!</LI> <LI>"fair"/"not fair" is not an argument.  Life isn't "fair" and neither is virtual life.</LI> <LI>If it was worth it for you to do it "then" the changes now don't affect that fact and don't diminish your accomplishment.</LI></UL> <P>example:  a couple of NPCs are missing (lending hand) from last big patch.  many provided feedback requesting clarification of their removal and the ability to complete the quest.  Result is they are coming back next week so we can turn in the patch.  The concerns expressed about being able to complete what one started made a difference.  The whinings about "not fair" etc  didn't.</P> <P>example 2: The shiny black stone quest now taking the palladium torque fixes an unintended discrepancy.    I thought I hit the jackpot with that change!  However, The value of my torque has now plummeted with the increased number of palladium clusters found.  I'm not whining - i'm waiting for the market to stabilize and then either sell it or use it with an alt.  If they change the quest to use something else then what I have is worthless.  Tough!  I got my quest accomplished and helped a few others when I had the chance.  It was worth it to me then.  Changes now don't change that fact.</P> <P>example 3 - RL: I bought a house in 1986 for 82K, sold it in 87 for 96K.  The housing market has gone thru the roof recently and that same house is selling for like over 150K.  I can't afford it now.  PLEASE PLEASE allow me to buy it back for the 96K I sold it for!!!!!   The changes AREN'T  FAIR!!  If I had KNOWN what the market would do I never would have sold it!!!      ......   where's my cheese?  ..........</P> <P> </P>

[tek2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sarelin-SeisBua wrote:<BR> <DIV>All I want to know is what's the command to get my refund for my Ebon cluster, 2 Opals, 2 Firs and 2 HQ pelts I've used up doing these quests?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(yeah I heard they changed the BBC not to use an Ebon but it wasn't in the patch notes).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>try /quit .  Theres a little label on the box when you bought the game try reading it sometime.</P> <P><FONT size=2><STRONG>Game Experience May Change During Online Play</STRONG></FONT></P> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>and to the other guy ive completed both manastone and stein on my main no I didnt buy the opal/pelt but i spent hours harvesting for them but Im not angry because that part of the quest was not fun at all and I was not going to even attempt to do those again on my alt.  Now Im glad that I can do these heritages with alot less stress/cost on my other characters.</DIV>

[Iseabeil]

<DIV>*dances happily when realizing she can make fir furniture without feeling guilty*</DIV>

[royalhardness]

Tek please go back to playing your console games where you could just look for cheat codes to finish the game in 1 hour.  Seeing everyone with every heritage quest will just cheapin the game.  If you dont want a challenge just sit in your room and play solatire while you let your mind waist away.

[Antipalad]

Absolute slap in the face for all guilds that work their [Removed for Content] off trying to get guild levels. Shame on you SoE, shame on you.

[BloodSmo]

<DIV>I'm confused, didnt most of these quests that needed an item not take the item untill some updat last week?  When i did the strange black rock one it didnt take my pallium torque, and ppl in my guild did the Moggok and tomak quests and it didnt take their rares, so basically you should only be complaining if you did the quest within the last week?  several guilds on my server just bought the rare, traded it around then sold it again, so what are you all complaining about?</DIV>

[Tova]

<DIV>Might wanna confer with your friends a little more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Glowing Black Stone did not comsume the torque, that is correct.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rest assured the PGT did indeed consume the fir.</DIV> <DIV>The manastone did indeed consume the high quality pelt.</DIV> <DIV>Stein ate the opal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still have my ebon cluster in the bank, but I'm pretty darn sure it's consumed as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So we are complaining about the fact that we spent the weeks/months harvesting these items (or some I'm sure shelled out cash... and lots of it), only to find out that now SOE is gonna dumb down the game and make it so everyone with an hour or 2 to spare can get their heritage items too.  Bah!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But hey I'm not bitter :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Omegafoxx]

<P>Im surprised how many people decide taking out hte coin sink in heritage quests make it too easy. People screaming things ranging from the economy is ruined to the quests are to easy now. This change doesnt only affect the quests. It helps the crafters, now they can afford to buy their respective Teir items so they can use them for their original purposes. Items like Opal, Severed Fir, High quality pelts, and all their spinoffs and counter parts were not reserved for crafting, but just known as heritage items, T3 Severed Fir selling for as much as 1-2p while the rest of the rares in its teir are around 10-20g, High Quality pelts going for 2-3p, while the other rares in its Teir for 30-40g.</P> <P>I have finished most of these heritage quests, proud to say i idnt pay a penny for any of the rares, i dont craft and all my harvest abilities are tapped out in the high 200. Only people who would feel ripped off are the people who paid for rares, if a quest is supposed to be hard, the coin sink should not be considered the challenge of it. If a heritage quest isnt done at its respected suggested level then it wouldnt seem challenging, but if you did a quest when the mobs conned a color darker then green then you wouldnt consider it easy.</P> <P>Now the next quest that really needs a change is the BBC, it has 2 huge time sinks, first is the SoT, which is being solod for unsightly amounts, up to 13p on blackburrow, and the ebon cluster that takes no substitutes at all. This quest would be a litle more bearable if they allowed it to take ebon disks and coins and other ebon spinoffs.</P>

[Antipalad]

There is just something in the core of my being that reacts to a PGT with a flower for it's handle. SoE, you're starting to ruin a good game here. I couldn't care less about whining crafters that can't make rare furniture or whatever. However, whe who whines the most, seem to get catered to here.

[Jadr]

<P></P> <HR> Antipaladin wrote:<BR>There is just something in the core of my being that reacts to a PGT with a flower for it's handle. <BR> <HR> <P>It uses an ash stave as the handle now.</P> <P><BR></P> <p>Message Edited by Jadrax on <span class=date_text>04-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:43 PM</span>

[Blackdog183]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Antipaladin wrote:<BR>There is just something in the core of my being that reacts to a PGT with a flower for it's handle. SoE, you're starting to ruin a good game here. I couldn't care less about whining crafters that can't make rare furniture or whatever. However, whe who whines the most, seem to get catered to here.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There is something in my core that reacted to paying an absorbetant amount of money or spending anywhere from 1 minute to god only knows how long getting a Fir, please tell me how that is remotely challenging in any way?  Running around a T3 zone till you turn purple harvesting, not a challenge, not fun.

[Woodcraft]

<P>The problem here is that the items being replaced, eg. severed fir, will not come down in price for a long time.</P> <P>Glimmering Tooth which is required by crafters (just like severed fir is) is now suddenly priced at 50g...</P> <P>This did not fix the problem, it changed it from one crafters item to another :smileysad:</P> <P>The fix that is required is for a totally new item, not based on a crafting item, to be designated as the item required for Heritage quests. There are many drops like skulls n such that have no use as yet. Mark one of these existing items to be used for Heritage. Otherwise you continue the problem by placing it on another crafter's shoulders.</P>

[Fennir]

HAHAHAHA I needed a laugh this morning!!! I remember doing the PGT quest... let me try to think about what was hard about it... ok: 1.  Trying to get giant language after I was level 30. 2.  Trying to find Obsid up without anyone killing him. 3.  Trying to find Tarby up without anyone taking him. 4.  Spending time killing 100 skeletons solo. 5.  Spending time killing 25 skindancers in an hour, solo. 6.  Spending 4 housr harvesting granite. 7.  Levelling my main to 9 artisan so he could combine the dull tomahawk. 8.  Getting CoD access (very annoying). 9. Getting a CoD group together. Now... let me think about the easiest part of the PGT: 1.  "Hey, crap... I need a fir."  OK run to broker, buy fir for 30g and get it made into a stave for a total of 1g and 5 minutes of time. I'm sure some of you know exactly how pathetic you are now.  Needing a rare for a quest does not make it "hard," especially when you consider the broker system.  At least this allows people who don't have the time to craft/harvest (like many in my guild) to get through a heritage quest without needing to spend everything they have to buy one stupid rare. <div></div>

[Fennir]

<div></div>Oh and I'll finally be able to afford to make my little bruiser some nice fistwraps when he gets to T4, instead of having to sell every pelt I find because it's worth too much not to. EDIT:  I should probably mention that I've already spent 31g (fir) + 2.25pp (2 pelts for me and my gf) on heritage quests.  Big deal. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Fennir on <span class=date_text>04-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 AM</span>

[tek2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Woodcrafter wrote:<BR> <P>The problem here is that the items being replaced, eg. severed fir, will not come down in price for a long time.</P> <P>Glimmering Tooth which is required by crafters (just like severed fir is) is now suddenly priced at 50g...</P> <P>This did not fix the problem, it changed it from one crafters item to another :smileysad:</P> <P>The fix that is required is for a totally new item, not based on a crafting item, to be designated as the item required for Heritage quests. There are many drops like skulls n such that have no use as yet. Mark one of these existing items to be used for Heritage. Otherwise you continue the problem by placing it on another crafter's shoulders.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>no it didnt cause another problem. who cares if glimmering stones and tooths are 50g , you can probably still buy the glimmering flower for 6g . all you need for the crafting items is the glimmering extract, which is attainable by refining any of them.</DIV>

[Karda]

I checked my PGT quest recipes tonight and it still shows Fir Stave.  If you are in the middle of these are you still stuck using the rare items?

[Kalebs]

Someone rumored that the BBC will actually not use the ebon now and it was just missed in the notes..Is this true?

[Almeric_CoS]

<DIV>Mm whining...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't really care what anyone paid for getting the rares for Heritages prior to the patch.  Why?  Because if you were REALLY that concerned about Heritages being such a great challenge and such a tremendous accomplishment, you would have done the work to harvest the rares yourself instead of buying them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I'd like to know, WHO was it that said that Heritage items were supposed to be rare and/or hard to come by in the first place?  Most of them are large, involved quests that require decent time committments to complete, but last time I checked the only real requirements to start Heritage quests were to have access to the quest starter and to be of sufficient level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The recent changes to Stiletto and the Lightbringer Wisp should have made it plainly obvious to everyone what the REAL intentions behind the Heritage quests are:  To provide fun quests filled with Norrathian lore that also happen to make you really happy with the bonuses you get when you're all done.  It shouldn't really come as any surprise to anyone that they decided the rare components were harming accessibility of these quests to the populace.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now for me - I didn't mind the idea of having to put out major cash for these rares if I didn't have the energy to harvest them.  I'm only a casual crafter but I know how to make good money whether I'm adventuring or crafting.  What DID bother me was that the use of rares in Heritage quests was trashing the rare market for crafters.  I'm a level 26 Carpenter who would really love to make some Fir furniture someday, but so long as Fir was a requirement for one of the best axes in the game, that was never going to happen.  Even if I harvested my own Fir, I'd never make the sort of profit off a Fir bed as I would just selling the raw material.</DIV>

[tek2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Almeric wrote:<BR> <DIV>Mm whining...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't really care what anyone paid for getting the rares for Heritages prior to the patch.  Why?  Because if you were REALLY that concerned about Heritages being such a great challenge and such a tremendous accomplishment, you would have done the work to harvest the rares yourself instead of buying them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I'd like to know, WHO was it that said that Heritage items were supposed to be rare and/or hard to come by in the first place?  Most of them are large, involved quests that require decent time committments to complete, but last time I checked the only real requirements to start Heritage quests were to have access to the quest starter and to be of sufficient level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The recent changes to Stiletto and the Lightbringer Wisp should have made it plainly obvious to everyone what the REAL intentions behind the Heritage quests are:  To provide fun quests filled with Norrathian lore that also happen to make you really happy with the bonuses you get when you're all done.  It shouldn't really come as any surprise to anyone that they decided the rare components were harming accessibility of these quests to the populace.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now for me - I didn't mind the idea of having to put out major cash for these rares if I didn't have the energy to harvest them.  I'm only a casual crafter but I know how to make good money whether I'm adventuring or crafting.  What DID bother me was that the use of rares in Heritage quests was trashing the rare market for crafters.  I'm a level 26 Carpenter who would really love to make some Fir furniture someday, but so long as Fir was a requirement for one of the best axes in the game, that was never going to happen.  Even if I harvested my own Fir, I'd never make the sort of profit off a Fir bed as I would just selling the raw material.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Amen to that.

[Akhenahten]

<div></div><font size="4"><font face="Verdana">I feel I must also question the idea that these are supposed to be RARE items. Something only the truely hardcore could get unless very lucky. Most of the heritage items are based in extremely common, very low level, way outdated content. Lightstone, PGT, SBH, etc etc etc. If there is a Heritage item from an expansion past Kunark I'm not aware of it. Given this type of item base and the relative ease with which most are obtainable with a good guild or group much less solo I have to assume this is based in the only other area recieving large scale changes. Tradeskills. All these changes combined with the tradeskills fixes and quest no drop status point to removing Heritage inflation. Thus the inclusion of rares was never about the challange or skill, it was a time and money sink. One SoE has decided to due without. That simple. </font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Akhenahten on <span class=date_text>04-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:39 PM</span>