Way to ignore provisioners in the newest patch

[CuriousGeorge]

<DIV>Once again you ignore provisioners. I see that almost every profession has gotten something new and very useful but provisioners can't get one new recipe or even old broken ones like Absinthe fixed. Way to share your focus Sony. Way to show everyone that you are on the ball.</DIV>

[Odissi]

Please do not complain until you have lived the life of a carpenter. But, yes they could have added something to the harvesting nodes for you guys. <div></div>

[Verdyn]

<div></div>Agreed.  When I saw that they had added new and exciting things to the tradeskills, my mind went wild with the possibilities of what they could do to increase the perks of provisioning.  For a small moment, I had visions of batch recipes for multiple drinks/food at once, stat modifiers to food/drink based on quality level, and maybe even *gasp*, a rare harvest item that made spectacular food in bunches. Instead, we get the goose egg.  None of the new modifiers.  No new features.  Heck, do we even get new recipes?  Provisioning consistently gets the shaft in patches (my apologies to carpenters) and it's getting old.  When do we get a touch of spice added to provisioning? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Verdyn on <span class=date_text>03-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:35 AM</span>

[Sute]

<P>your a COOK that is all you are. You make drinks and food...and god knows theres enough of them already on every broker. What do you want?</P> <P>Now i understand if you have broken skills etc, but so does everyone. You have enough recipes to go around for now. </P>

[Verdyn]

<div></div>That is quite possibly the bluntest, most uninformed post I've ever read on this board.  Learn about provisioning before you post about it.  If you disagree with something I say, let me know why.  I appreciate good provisioner debate more than ignorance. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Verdyn on <span class=date_text>03-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:56 AM</span>

[Rougejenn]

<P>I agree provisioners are getting shafted...Right now we get 3 recipies in many of the books that have combine no one can eat or drink.  We have no "rare" drops to take advantage of and when we do get a lvl and new book there are recipies for combines we cant do for another 5 lvls.  It is stupid and realy can be annoying.  We spend just as much time tradskilling and no one really buys food because each group has a healer.  Drinks sell but with death or sometimes zoning they dissapear and have to be consued again so no one really except tradeskillers spend the mony on the long lasting drinks.</P> <P> </P> <P>WOuld have been nice to see some stats on food like increases stamina or strength Hp or whatever as did food/drink items in eq1.  COme on Sony get on the ball.</P> <P> </P>

[Ydiss]

<P>There's a post from Blackguard on another thread here stating that no tradeskill proffesion is being ignored over others. They cannot fix and upgrade every single facet of the game with every single update.</P> <P>Not that I think provisioners require urgent fixing, compared to some other classes that don't even have a main purpose at present. I am a provisioner, by the way. I enjoy my class imenseley. It's been a lot more fun than being a jeweler, for starters.</P> <p>Message Edited by Ydiss on <span class=date_text>03-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:05 AM</span>

[Amise]

<P>No offense to provisioners intended.  But you did just get a very nice boost in having the effects of food and drink increased at the same time as the effects of vendor food and drink was decreased.  Both modifications were substantial.  Items crafted by provisioners are always in demand, and your fuel costs are 1/4 of everyone else's.  All the provisioners I know cannot craft fast enough to keep up with demand.  How many other professions have that luxury? </P> <P>A line like "once again you ignore provisioners" coming hot on the heels of some changes which benefitted you substantially sounds a bit...wrong.</P> <p>Message Edited by Amise on <span class=date_text>03-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:31 AM</span>

[GraymaneGravitic]

<P>a bit...wrong..................................is extremely generous, you are indeed a kind soul sir.</P> <P> </P> <P>personally, I would use the term ingrate</P>

[KudLenka]

i am a provisioner, lvl 24 now and you are right, i dont have enough time to gather and craft to keep up with the demand, food should have more use, people dont buy food much compared to drinks.

[Dansida]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV><STRONG>Once again you ignore provisioners. I see that almost every profession has gotten something new and very useful but provisioners can't get one new recipe or even old broken ones like Absinthe fixed.</STRONG> Way to share your focus Sony. Way to show everyone that you are on the ball.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Every other artisan class got an upgrade to simply have more demand for their unwanted products. meanwhile provisioners have the biggest share of the market (any half-arsed player knows the benefit of a good drink). The other poster is right about food though why buy food for <STRONG>5s </STRONG>and use it for yourself when you can spend 5s for a drink give it to your healer and have him heal the whole party? the pricing needs to be in line with demand. if you food was cheaper we would buy it. the only reason most people buy drink now is vendor drink is crap and YOU NEED to have drink if you want to make a decent amount of xp or money.(hence the demand is up justifying the price)</DIV>

[Kwoung]

Man, some folks complain about anything. Out of all my crafters, my provisioner is the only 100% useful and fun one in the bunch. Every other crafting profession should be made as good as provisioners IMHO. Not saying they don't have a few glitches, but sheesh, comparitively speaking, they are awesome compared to the other professions.

[Quijonsith]

<DIV>I am a 32 Templar/24.95 Woodworker.  Every time I go to the broker it's to buy drink.  I don't even bother with food (the reason for which has been stated above by others).  When I go to the broker I wonder "man, why don't provisioners make more drink?"  It occurs to me now that it's because they can't keep up with the demand.  Provisioners are the ONLY crafting class with that kind of demand/luxury.  If only the other crafting classes could be so lucky. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jewelers make items everyone can use, and make scout combat art upgrades.</DIV> <DIV>Alchemists make items that every crafting class can use (if others don't make them themselves) and make fighter combat art upgrades.  They also make poison and salves, but noone buys them because of the extremely poor documentation of them.</DIV> <DIV>Sages, weapon smiths, and armor smiths enough said (the later two being VERY competitive).</DIV> <DIV>Tailors, light and very light armor and soon they will be able to make hex dolls, that's fricken cool. (I don't know how well tailor makde armor sells)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carpenters and woodworkers have the least demanded markets in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carpenters make their money from storage chests and rare wood made furniture (those who don't know the rare furniture reduces status cost in appropriate housing). I don't know what else carpenters can make.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Woodworkers make their money from paper and quills to sages (if the sages don't make it themselves), totems that less than half the online population know about (especially the regen totems with undocumented level caps, but that's being fixed), wood for carpenters (again if they don't make it themselves), shields that hardly sell because quest and drop shields are better, and making rare subcomponents for quests such as the fir stave for the polished granite tohmahawk (which so far I've only done for members of my guild with no service charge).  We can make musical intruments that don't do anything (no plusses to bards, don't show on character when equipped, can't play them, and you can't even place them in your room).  The weapons that we can make hardly sell for the same reason as shields (except that shields everyone but mages can use).  When the test server goes live with it, we'll be able to make charged wands with spells so those should sell well, but that's not live just yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In short, I don't wanna hear any complaining from provisioners for getting passed over on a patch after player made food/drink was made more effective and vendor food/drink degraded as well as the emmensly cheaper fuel costs and even higher demand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Evadne]

As a provisioner, level 40, on Test I might add, I have to say compared to other artisan paths we provisioners have a great deal. The device doesn't attack us, pristine is easy to attain and our product is ALWAYS in demand and always will be.  Players do not buy one Refreshing Sparkling Apple Wine and equip/attune and walk away never needing another.  They use it up, and come back for more. Yes it would be neat if we could make more per combine, but comparitively speaking the other artisan paths need more attention than we do. So, as one of the few TESTING Provisioners I do not add my voice to the OP's complaint.  Rather I say to the Dev's, feel free to continue to pay attention to far more important issues. Provisioners could use some attention later, when other more critical issues have been dealt with. ~Eva <div></div>

[Cagefighter]

<DIV>Provisioners got the good stuff last patch.</DIV> <DIV> Oh my god do people forget so easily?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>~Whaaa Whaaaa!! Whaaaa!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I want magical mushroom soup that  upon eating causes me to make terrible gas, it would be an AoE doing poison damage over time.... I want encanted Garlic Anchovies Milkshake that does an AoI breath attack, causing a knockdown and mental damage!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Napolle]

^^^^ nice constructive feedback <div></div>

[Lo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rougejenna1 wrote: <P>WOuld have been nice to see some stats on food like increases stamina or strength Hp or whatever as did food/drink items in eq1.  COme on Sony get on the ball.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats exactly what <STRONG>POTIONS</STRONG> are good for. Do you want the rest of the alchemist recipies too ? Making spells or something ?</P> <P>They said provisioners had already enough love and thats totally true. Provisioning is the <STRONG>only</STRONG> market where you can make money atm.<BR><BR>Be happy.<BR></P>

[Dashofpepp]

Hey folks:     Not to sound like a noob, but is this a sarcastic thread?  I remember seeing a guardian thread about "we suck" and the author was being sarcastic to keep in tune with everyone else complaining.  Given all the bonuses that have come down the provisioner path, (fuel costs, boosts) I wouldn't expect a thread like this. Retribution - Befallen <div></div>

[Bhagpuss]

<DIV>As a 41st Provisioner (semi-retired), I would happily give up all the desirability of our product in return for new recipes, rares and dropped books.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I didn't become a Provisioner to make money. I don't even have a trader. Occasionally I sell a few things on someone else's trader, but i haven't even done that for several weeks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I made a Provisioner because I enjoyed baking in EQ1 and I was hoping it would be fun here too. It has been mildly amusing, and I am not sorry I chose it, but I must say I am enjoying my Scholar (Level 19 now) a lot more. The excitement of getting a dropped book while adventuring and being able to scribe it <EM>far </EM>outweighs any pleasure gained from a few gold made on the broker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as a Provisioner I can tell you I was fed up weeks ago with making drinks even for myself and my regular group. I would vote for Vendor food being as good as Provisioner food any day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would personally never pay the prices I see asked for drinks on the broker. 40 silver for a one-hour T4 drink? Pay 40 silver per hour's adventuring? I'd go without if I couldn't make them myself.</DIV>

[Iseabeil]

as having my main bein a provisioner, ill agree that there are some things that needs to be fixed. those issues are in no way gamebreaking or emergent tho, as many other crafting classes' issues are. there is no reason to spend time on a working class when there are classes that are in way way worse shape. <DIV>the only change i could see as really needed for us is some change on shrubberies yielding more drink raws vs food raws so the drinks can be made cheaper and thus sold cheaper, and that is really a change that would affect others more than us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyways, give the unloved crafters some big ole wubbing :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Jan It]

There´s good coin in the provisioner´s branch right now, so I don´t understand your complaints. Provisioners are cooks and brewmasters. It´s fine as is, and it was totally clear when you picked the class that there won´t be too much of diversity. There´ll sometimes be changes I guess, but other professions need some more love right now. Oh, and btw, you didn´t lose a word about the reactions being fixed to grey out later, and that there will be an adjustment to durability and progress buffs for provisioners aswell. <div></div>

[Samnas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bhagpuss wrote:<BR> <DIV>As a 41st Provisioner (semi-retired), I would happily give up all the desirability of our product in return for new recipes, rares and dropped books.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I didn't become a Provisioner to make money. I don't even have a trader. Occasionally I sell a few things on someone else's trader, but i haven't even done that for several weeks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I made a Provisioner because I enjoyed baking in EQ1 and I was hoping it would be fun here too. It has been mildly amusing, and I am not sorry I chose it, but I must say I am enjoying my Scholar (Level 19 now) a lot more. The excitement of getting a dropped book while adventuring and being able to scribe it <EM>far </EM>outweighs any pleasure gained from a few gold made on the broker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as a Provisioner I can tell you I was fed up weeks ago with making drinks even for myself and my regular group. I would vote for Vendor food being as good as Provisioner food any day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would personally never pay the prices I see asked for drinks on the broker. 40 silver for a one-hour T4 drink? Pay 40 silver per hour's adventuring? I'd go without if I couldn't make them myself.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It is not so easy to go without drink.  This is why provisioners have it good (in terms of making money).  Sure 40sp for one-hour T4 drink is a ripoff, but nobody in your group is going to be happy if you consistently hold up the group or are ineffective because you have no power.  And luckily at T4 the monetary benefit of having drinks usually outweigh not having it (ie you make more money fighting stuff than you do waiting for power regen). <p>Message Edited by Samnas on <span class=date_text>03-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:50 AM</span>

[merdo]

<P>When you cannot get items to make the drinks to sell for less the 20sp each the time to combine time to level VS adventuring. 40 sp is a fiar price i am making 10-20sp on tier 5 drinks at 60 seconds for combine alone i make 6-12 gold an hour I MAKE MORE SOLOING. have all armor making classes take 1 hour to make rare combines and ill charge less for my drinks.</P> <P> </P> <P>This isnt going to happen so you have 2 options make your own provisioner or but vendor drinks.</P> <P>Some idiot is now Price gouging as we speak what happens is people dont make the items because no profit then you cannot even get the drinks to adventure.</P> <P>sure he will sell through all his items in a day making 20g while i go adventure and make 40-50g and you cannot find more drink to exp with</P> <P>when you find drink for cheap buy all you can you will see the market flood then be empty for a while till prices rise and it flods again.</P>

[Quijonsith]

<DIV>I don't know how much the shrubberies put out as far as drink components vs. food components.  I just know that what ever I can gather I give to my guilds provisioner.  Judging by the massive market flooding of food over drink, I'd say that one thing I would say to the devs is that they should make the shrubberies put out more drink combines.  Drink is far more important to any player, especially groups.  Every group has a healer (usually) and nothing is more annoying in a group that waiting for someone who uses cheap (or no) drink.  This I would like to see the devs do before addressing other classes, even though I play a woodworker.  EVERYONE needs drink.  Other than this, the severe problems the other classes have, such as carpenters and boxes, need to be fixed.  I think the over all problem with SOE is that they seem to be more concerned with adding new content than fixing bugs.  Bugs should have priority over "lets add expansions" and "lets add new features like enchantment harvests and offline selling".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my two cents, ok maybe $.50.</DIV>

[Broomhilda]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P>43 Provisioner here.  And RETIRED from it.  I barely bother making my own drinks anymore.  Why? Because of the sheer drudgery of it.  The fact that we can only make one item at a time with multiple combines taking even more time.  Yes, i do beleive that the devs should look into this aspect of provisioning despite all the "love" they showed us before.    </P> <P>Wanna know why drink is soooo expensive on the broker?  because of people like me.  Unable to endure the enormous amount of time needed to make a stack: gathering/buying harvests.  You all know the issues with this.  Few drink harvest per node and exhorbinant broker prices for unrefinded foodstuffs.  Oh and I can make alot of money on the broker you say?  Guess what, I make more adventuring and leveling my character.  Since retiring from it a few weeks ago I have more than a plat in the bank as well as a new 2plat and change horse.  It may not seem like alot to some  but its alot to me.  And I got all this by adventuring and spending more time harvesting and looking for rares on all the NON-provisioner nodes.  So many of us dont sell on the broker anymore and gougers can charge any price they want because of lack of competition.  </P> <P>Oh yeah we got it good.  Thats why so many of us dont even do it anymore...even for ourselves!  I know the other tradeskills have issues.  So cry me a river :p IMO however the Provisioners lack of being able to make more product with fewer combines is hurting everyone and putting alot of us into retirement.  For those that still love it...thats great for you.  No worries you wont ever have that much competition :p</P></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class=date_text>03-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:39 PM</span>

[Hill]

<FONT size=4></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=4>I think it really just depends on your server,  For provisioners in the toxxulia server(which i dont think theres many) i dont hear about not making money or complaining about updates, or wanting to add stuff to it. Mostly provisioners in toxxulia are content with what they are and how much there making or even who there supplying. Well ill come to my point lol i dont think this thread shoulda been posted on a Test server forum, i'd much rather see this on the server forum of the person who started it, and for the people who argued about the market of it, i think its really just about what server you are in. My server seems to be a bunch of content provisioners while im thinking befallens server isnt probably due to how many provisioners are now in that server. For a level 43 or 41 provisioner if you can't make a market off that then its the server and not the class, but for the lower level t3 and t4 provisioners, should have looked up whats overcrowded or needed in your server before choosing provisioner if your looking to make money on market and not regen items for yours and maybe your guilds grouping hours.<BR><BR>P.S. bought food was made 60% less efficient then it used to, I would rather pay 40s for an hour t4 or t5 or w/e food or drink then a 30 minute one which is 60% less efficient, the reason you even get money in this game is to spend it. Your choice, paying for a horse to get where you have to get faster for a couple of platinum or paying for food/drink that helps you out more when you actually get there then a horse ever would for 20-40s a pop(i say that cause in my server the only thing someone ever saves up money for is a horse)</FONT></DIV>

[Hill]

<FONT size=4></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=4>I think it really just depends on your server,  For provisioners in the toxxulia server(which i dont think theres many) i dont hear about not making money or complaining about updates, or wanting to add stuff to it. Mostly provisioners in toxxulia are content with what they are and how much there making or even who there supplying. Well ill come to my point lol i dont think this thread shoulda been posted on a Test server forum, i'd much rather see this on the server forum of the person who started it, and for the people who argued about the market of it, i think its really just about what server you are in. My server seems to be a bunch of content provisioners while im thinking befallens server isnt probably due to how many provisioners are now in that server. For a level 43 or 41 provisioner if you can't make a market off that then its the server and not the class, but for the lower level t3 and t4 provisioners, should have looked up whats overcrowded or needed in your server before choosing provisioner if your looking to make money on market and not regen items for yours and maybe your guilds grouping hours.<BR><BR>P.S. bought food was made 60% less efficient then it used to, I would rather pay 40s for an hour t4 or t5 or w/e food or drink then a 30 minute one which is 60% less efficient, the reason you even get money in this game is to spend it. Your choice, paying for a horse to get where you have to get faster for a couple of platinum or paying for food/drink that helps you out more when you actually get there then a horse ever would for 20-40s a pop(i say that cause in my server the only thing someone ever saves up money for is a horse)</FONT></DIV>

[Harovan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cagefighter wrote:<div>Provisioners got the good stuff last patch.</div> <div> Oh my god do people forget so easily?</div> <div> </div> <div>~Whaaa Whaaaa!! Whaaaa!</div> <div> </div> <div>I want magical mushroom soup that  upon eating causes me to make terrible gas, it would be an AoE doing poison damage over time.... I want encanted Garlic Anchovies Milkshake that does an AoI breath attack, causing a knockdown and mental damage! </div><hr></blockquote></span><span>:smileyvery-happy: Way to go, Cage! </span><div></div>

[Hill]

<DIV>hmm sorry about replying twice after i submitted it told me i had to be some kind of official EQ2 forum something, so i tried twice lol dunno why it posted if im not logged in or w/e the problem was</DIV>