Why put in Tiered Fuel prices and then change all crafintg to Tier 1 fuels?

[tastish]

<DIV>Many of these recent changes are so unreasonable. I seems as if the Developers are not confident in the changes that are being implemented. SOE decided to make the fuel changes forcing each tier to use ONLY the same tier fuel. It made sense to me. Now it appears that regardless of your crafting tier, you can use the tier 1 fuels costing 4 copper. Sure, it is adjusted accordingly if you are selling to NPC, but that only matters in level grinding, which I was under the assumption was one of the things that was being slowed by the tiered fuel costs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So why add in tiered fuel cost and then allow tier 1 fuels for everything? Why would any crafter use a tier 5 fuel? I also think that it is really messed up that they did thias and made no announement to anyone about the ability to use the T1 fuels. I know crafters that are still using T5 fuels and don't know. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>CJ</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by tastishar on <span class=date_text>03-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:37 AM</span>

[Odissi]

<DIV>Good job posting it on the forums Sherlock *rolls eyes*, it was the one bug in the game that was acutally good, it should stay this way.</DIV>

[Denlaeb Coeddeon]

<DIV>People who use this bug are exploiters as far as i am concerned. it completly eradicates the pependancy issue for one i no longer use alchemists because they provide t5 fuels at t5 prices yet use the t1 fuels, which hurts any tasksthat i do for xp. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You dont gt the 60% bonus on the full cost of the chem 2s30c?? rather you get 60% of 4c, bit of a difference whn you are trying to break even</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>Boy - I am glad I only crafted T2 stuff this week :smileysurprised:</DIV>

[Bhagpuss]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Odissius wrote:<BR> <DIV>Good job posting it on the forums Sherlock *rolls eyes*, it was the one bug in the game that was acutally good, it should stay this way.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Testers report bugs. This is the Test Forum. What did you expect?</P> <P> </P>

[Vecsus_E]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Denlaeb Coeddeon wrote:<BR> <DIV>People who use this bug are exploiters as far as i am concerned. it completly eradicates the pependancy issue for one i no longer use alchemists because they provide t5 fuels at t5 prices yet use the t1 fuels, which hurts any tasksthat i do for xp. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You dont gt the 60% bonus on the full cost of the chem 2s30c?? rather you get 60% of 4c, bit of a difference whn you are trying to break even</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And you have confirmation that this is a bug?  No.  We are all very well aware that SOE has no idea what's going on with tradeskill pricing.  Their inneptitude does not necessarily equate to a bug.   Besides, why the hell would anyone pay 10s or more for a T5 WORT when they can make their own for just a few copper.  Hell, you even get exp while making it.  Win-Win situation.

[Jeridor]

<blockquote><hr>Odissius wrote:<DIV>Good job posting it on the forums Sherlock *rolls eyes*, it was the one bug in the game that was acutally good, it should stay this way.</DIV><hr></blockquote>By all means, keep using it until they fix it. Maybe you'll get banned, as you should.

[Jeridor]

<blockquote><hr>Vecsus_EQ2 wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Denlaeb Coeddeon wrote:<BR><DIV>People who use this bug are exploiters as far as i am concerned. it completly eradicates the pependancy issue for one i no longer use alchemists because they provide t5 fuels at t5 prices yet use the t1 fuels, which hurts any tasksthat i do for xp. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>You dont gt the 60% bonus on the full cost of the chem 2s30c?? rather you get 60% of 4c, bit of a difference whn you are trying to break even</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And you have confirmation that this is a bug? No. We are all very well aware that SOE has no idea what's going on with tradeskill pricing. Their inneptitude does not necessarily equate to a bug. Besides, why the hell would anyone pay 10s or more for a T5 WORT when they can make their own for just a few copper. Hell, you even get exp while making it. Win-Win situation.<hr></blockquote>Yes, there is confirmation this is wrong. The devs have explained how fuels are intended to work, and they currently do not work this way. Therefore, it is a bug and using it benefits you in a way not intended, which is exploitation.

[Vecsus_E]

<DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Vecsus_EQ2 on <span class=date_text>03-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 AM</span>

[zDocW]

<DIV>SOE owes me at least 30g. During the last week I decided to refine all the items in my storage which I had been collecting for the last several  weeks. Imagine my disgust when I only found out yesterday that I could have used the 1c fuel. Vast majority of it was T5 food/drink raws. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>30g is a heck of a lot of money to just throw away. Although people could argue that I was playing "correctly" it still hurts. It would have taken a far stronger person than myself to know that I could have used the 1c fuels, but to then go use the 2s21c fuel because I was supposed to.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>03-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:08 PM</span>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>I guess it will be impossible to ban people over this because the majority of players dont visit these forums and a lot even dont read patch notes thoroughly (like I do for example when it containes a 100-line long list about which spells&abilities changed :smileywink: ).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So all those coming from the IoR and keep using the stuff they are used to are completely innocent although they might have been using stacks after stacks. Even the recipes just say *fuel* so thoughts about banning on a large scale is out of question.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Tradeskill_Addict on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:25 AM</span>

[Sacha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even the recipes just say *fuel* so thoughts about banning on a large scale is out of question.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wasn't this changed? I'm sure it now says "Cherry Kindling" or whatever in the recipes....</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sacha wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even the recipes just say *fuel* so thoughts about banning on a large scale is out of question.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wasn't this changed? I'm sure it now says "Cherry Kindling" or whatever in the recipes....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*fuel* stood for <EM>filament, coal, kindling </EM>etc. the recipes still dont say <EM>cherry kindling </EM>or the like.</P> <P>so why should a noob coming from the IoR buy anything else than the stuff he used as fuel before?<BR></P>

[Ael]

<DIV> To further confuse the issue look at this thread from a tradeskill forum <A href="http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq2/showthread.php?t=3706" target=_blank>http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq2/showthread.php?t=3706</A> So if this is correct a GM said it was intended. But later in the thread it is stated it is a bug and will be fixed in a future update. Whether it is a bannable exploit or not is another question. That gets confusing around these issues. The ability to scribe the other level 10 books was a bug that was known and posted about on the boards but not as far as I know something that warranted any bans. Clarification on these grey areas would be appreciated. I would hate to think that subjects that are openly talked about on the forum and are petitioned in game and if this post is to believed called intended by a GM are bannable offences. </DIV>

[mrfl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>03-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:08 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You put a lot of faith in Sony actually knowing how to make an economy better, don't you? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They're not economists, they're computer game designers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[UrkBloodA]

<DIV>some thoughts to inject on this issue :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. there was a note in updates indicating a fix to fuels so that lower tier crafters can get a higher benifit from tasks and writs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. the cost of fuel <STRONG>only</STRONG>  affects your pocket while carrying inventory, selling to a player, or completing a task/writ. </DIV> <UL> <LI>if you make an item and sell it back to the NPC the sale is made at cost.  (there are a few exceptions to this, but I have not found a 20% profit on a final item, nor have I found losses on any profession except provisioner buying interms off NPC.)</LI> <LI>if you make an item and sell it to a player, the fuel cost is a fixed cost affecting your net profit.  If you can use tier 1 fuels in a tier 5 item it would seem to follow you should be able to discount the item by the fuel cost differnce.  (not bloodly likely, but some crafters claim they apply this rule.)  ( I would like to point out that the fuel cost has at this point taken money out of the economy of players as intendened.  however it took the coin out of the adventurer/consumers pocket not the crafters. )</LI> <LI>if you do a task/writ you can make your time worthless by using a tier 1 fuel or worth more by using a tier 5 fuel.  While it may not be known if this is intentional or accidental - it has been reported repeatedly and the devs have not changed this mechanic for over 2 weeks now.</LI></UL> <P>3. a post nerf tier 5 crafter generally will have more bank roll to support crafting costs in tier 5.  a crafter who is working up the ranks in a player economy which isn't exactly stellar may have great difficultly in affording books and fuel to pursue their profession.  it could be, and this would be a guess, that the change (tier 1 in tier 5 did not work for all professions till late this last week in live)  is intended so that a player who desires to be a crafter doesn't have a huge inventory cost when crossing tiers.  (if you run a pure crafter when you hit level 30 you will be floored by the inventory cost unless you've managed to do some good selling.)  Also, given the cash flow bottleneck - it may be impossible for a mid tier high level crafter to complete ANY crafting work if they are facing an inventory cost of 30-40x fuel cost.</P> <P> </P>

[bobafet]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> UrkBloodAxe wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>" Developers on those teams weren't out to ruin your fun anymore than we are." - Moorgard</P> <P>omg did moorgard actually say that....comedy LOL</P> <P> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[gstor]

<DIV>LOL, if they coded it that way, it must have been intended.  I have known about this for about a month.  You cannot say that just because someone is using the cheapest fuel thats available that they are knowingly cheating.  It works for all tradeskill classes not just 1.  If it was a bug, dont you think they would have changed it ASAP?  Heck they added double exp weekend and this change to code at the same time to get people to craft.</DIV>

[Attrael]

<blockquote><hr>Miral wrote:<DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>03-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:08 PM</span><hr></blockquote>This has to be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Someone please hunt this guy down, grind him into hamburger, and feed him to the orcs or gnolls. (whichever happens to be closest to you when he's found)

[Sacha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sacha wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even the recipes just say *fuel* so thoughts about banning on a large scale is out of question.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wasn't this changed? I'm sure it now says "Cherry Kindling" or whatever in the recipes....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*fuel* stood for <EM>filament, coal, kindling </EM>etc. the recipes still dont say <EM>cherry kindling </EM>or the like.</P> <P>so why should a noob coming from the IoR buy anything else than the stuff he used as fuel before?<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Is this on live? I only play on test.</P> <P>I just logged in both my prov and my alchy and both of their recipes listed <STRONG><EM>exactly</EM></STRONG> which fuel to use e.g. parrafin wax candle/cherry kindling etc.<BR></P>

[Sweetme]

<DIV>Sacha are you able to use the tier 1 fuels when the recipe specifies a higher price fuel?  i.e. Recipe says cherry kindling, can you use the 1c kindling for that recipe or must you use the cherry?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been using the "proper" fuels for things since the patch.  I just found out this weekend that I could have been using 4c fuel instead.  Since I craft mostly for my cousins and myself, I would prefer to have my money in the bank, rather than have me and my cousins "wearing" it.  Also I price items by the cost for somponants, and the number of combines it took.  If the cost for materials were near zero, my broker prices would certainly have reflected it.  Indeed, I will be using the lower cost fuel till I no longer can, and my prices on the broker ( pretty much always the lowest anyway ) will reflect the fact that I didn't have to hock my left testicle to make the item.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kustr]

<DIV>I do not play on the test server, only live.  So I can definitely confirm that as of Sunday night 5 March 2005, you could still use T1 fuels when making any T2 - T3 items.  (I suspect the same is true for T4 and T5, but alas, Im just a lowbie crafter at this point, so can't say from personal experience).</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sacha wrote:<BR><BR> <P>I just logged in both my prov and my alchy and both of their recipes listed <STRONG><EM>exactly</EM></STRONG> which fuel to use e.g. parrafin wax candle/cherry kindling etc.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>they probably do when you look into the recipe book (which i rarely do) but not when you click the crafting device itself to see what you'll have to buy from the vendor - For me (tailor lvl 21 the loom says "filament")<BR>

[AlA]

I an alchemist, went broke trying to pay for food and am now hoping for the next patch to fix it. I turned to the trade channel in Qeynos for advice and I got a tell to use this exploit but I replied that I refuse to exploit but I did a mistell and sent that out on the trader's channel. Now, I got heckled because of it. Imagine being heckled because I mistold this "While I appreciate the info, I refuse to cheat." Now, I'm an alchemist. I see that what you wrote seems to imply that you refuse to buy from alchemists because you believe they all cheat, and yet I get heckled because I refuse to cheat even if it means I cannot compete and go broke? I can't win. Maybe I misunderstand you. Today has not been a good day. I get two hours sleep last night, and finally give up trying to sleep and get up and do some posting and go to work. Soon as I get there the new owners who bought the company I've worked for for years and was sold to them on the promise in contract that they would not shut us down because we did things they didn't and vice versa and we can help each-other. Well they called a meeting of all the employees and announced that they were desolving the company and all of us will be out of jobs! How nice, a HOSTILE take over and then after spending all day wondering about in shock, I am so down I can't enjoy anything, and I read that I'm supposed to be a cheater simply because I'm an alchemist? It's like saying the only good alchemist is a dead alchemist. Something's not right about this picture. This day can't be THIS bad can it. You can't really mean that you spurn alchemists because you think they all are cheaters can you? I must be misunderstanding you.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Denlaeb Coeddeon wrote:<BR> <DIV>People who use this bug are exploiters as far as i am concerned. it completly eradicates the pependancy issue for one i no longer use alchemists because they provide t5 fuels at t5 prices yet use the t1 fuels, which hurts any tasksthat i do for xp. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You dont gt the 60% bonus on the full cost of the chem 2s30c?? rather you get 60% of 4c, bit of a difference whn you are trying to break even</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[AlA]

<DIV>Its really cool to see so many players expressing such integrity that they refuse to cheat or exploit. I don't come down and flame them tho, because it was only about 9 years ago in the days of Diablo 1 that I used to believe that cheating was the only way to get by in a game. I got with the right folks and read a post about it that spurred me on to "Try" playing without cheating, so I could prove the superior sounding poster that she was wrong when she said that cheating was not necessary and that cheaters were skum. Well, instead, I found that she was right in so far as saying cheating is not necessary. I don't flame sploiters, because for had I not stumbled accross her great post, I would never have learned the great sense of accomplishment comes with playing without exploiting or cheating or griefing, but I will admit, that with the latest changes, I find myself unable to function because I'm no longer isolated from the cheaters. It's not like Diablo 1, where I could get away from them just by using passworded games, but here this cannot be done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I prefer that exploits not be spread about. Fact is, that a LOT of folks if not everyone here reads this thread to see what is coming. I'd rather this not be spread about. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It would be so cool if they put code in that turned your character red and labeled you as a cheater over your head if you used this exploit more than once. I say more than once because accidents happen, folks might click on the wrong thing thinking they were changing resources instead of fuel, but the chances of them doing it twice by accident are vanishingly slim. They would be welcome in the EQ guild called "Hall of Shame!"</DIV>

[Sacha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sweetmeat wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sacha are you able to use the tier 1 fuels when the recipe specifies a higher price fuel?  i.e. Recipe says cherry kindling, can you use the 1c kindling for that recipe or must you use the cherry?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>On test you must use the correct type. I just tried it out, bought one of each fuel, and it specifically stated Parrafin wax candle, and would not let me use the t1 candle. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just saying, don't worry, it's obviously been noted and fixed, at least on test <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Sacha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sacha wrote:<BR><BR> <P>I just logged in both my prov and my alchy and both of their recipes listed <STRONG><EM>exactly</EM></STRONG> which fuel to use e.g. parrafin wax candle/cherry kindling etc.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>they probably do when you look into the recipe book (which i rarely do) but not when you click the crafting device itself to see what you'll have to buy from the vendor - For me (tailor lvl 21 the loom says "filament")<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>ok, you must be on live. This is not the case on test, Whether you look at the recipe book, or click on the device, you will be asked for the correct tier fuel and you will not be allowed to substitute it for t1 fuels.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not here to argue that this isn't a bug, or a nasty one at that. Just saying that it's not that way on test so hopefully will be changed soon on live too :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attrael wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>03-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:08 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>This has to be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Someone please hunt this guy down, grind him into hamburger, and feed him to the orcs or gnolls. (whichever happens to be closest to you when he's found)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> So you would rather have moronic exploiters in game? Thats why the in game economy is so [SELF-NERFED] up as it is! But I'm sure for you to take so much from my post, you must be one of these types as well.

[Odissi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attrael wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>03-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:08 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>This has to be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Someone please hunt this guy down, grind him into hamburger, and feed him to the orcs or gnolls. (whichever happens to be closest to you when he's found)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> So you would rather have moronic exploiters in game? Thats why the in game economy is so [SELF-NERFED] up as it is! But I'm sure for you to take so much from my post, you must be one of these types as well.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> [Removed for Content], that is NOT why the economy is screwed up.

[Attrael]

<blockquote><hr>Miral wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Attrael wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Miral wrote:<BR><DIV>Yea BAN <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=88625" target=_blank><SPAN>Odissius</SPAN></A> FOR KNOWINGLY EXPLOITING! The less of these morons we have the better the economy will be.</DIV><P>Message Edited by Miral on <SPAN class=date_text>03-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:08 PM</SPAN><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>This has to be the dumbest post I've ever seen. Someone please hunt this guy down, grind him into hamburger, and feed him to the orcs or gnolls. (whichever happens to be closest to you when he's found)<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So you would rather have moronic exploiters in game? Thats why the in game economy is so [SELF-NERFED] up as it is! But I'm sure for you to take so much from my post, you must be one of these types as well.<hr></blockquote>Hrm? Riiiight. Listen kid, you REALLY should speak to your parents so they can take you to the doctor's to have your Ritalin prescription checked. I think your dose may be a bit high and it's making you delusional.

[Miral]

<DIV>screw it, impossible to talk sense to morons like you two</DIV>

[Odissi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>screw it, impossible to talk sense to morons like you two</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>LOL!</P> <P>It's okay little Jimmy...Don't you cry, momma's gunna sing you a lullaby.</P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Miral]

<DIV>yeah itll be ok... lets all go out and exploit everything! maybe itll get so bad it gets better! yay!</DIV>

[Odissi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>yeah itll be ok... lets all go out and exploit everything! maybe itll get so bad it gets better! yay!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Anything but the crap we are playing in now.</DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>if you dont like it leave, dont exploit and make it worse for others.</DIV>

[Odissi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>if you dont like it leave, dont exploit and make it worse for others.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I don't know anything about any exploits anyways, lol.

[Miral]

<DIV>Okay let me define exploit in MMO terms for you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Exploit - The knowing and continued abuse of a bug or glitch that benefits the player (or harms others), particularly when the player does not report the bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Becoming more clear now?</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>The patch is done, everthing works as intended (regarding fuel :smileywink: ) so someone please lock this thread.</DIV>

[Alther]

<blockquote><hr>Odissius wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Miral wrote:<BR><DIV>if you dont like it leave, dont exploit and make it worse for others.</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't know anything about any exploits anyways, lol.<hr></blockquote>Just ignore Miral Odissius. He obviously has no clue what he's talking about and it quite delusional. Mostly likely because his parents have him wired on too much Ritalin. Though, if anything he is a true inspiration for birth control.