Geomancy raised but Geocrafting not raise? useless, this is not a fix

[Ta]

Why did Sony bother to give me Geomancy at a high level, and Geocrafting (or whatever it's called) at 25? This is utterly useless. I am NOT going to spend two months wasting money on fuel so I can raise my Geocrafting up to meet my Geomancy. Devs, what were you thinking? Even if fuel was free this would take an incredibly long time, I tried it, I'm not just theorizing. Apparently the devs were thinking "oh well a couple hours practice and you'll be fine". No. No no no. I'm at tier 5 weaponsmithing, it is impossible to make teak staves with my Geowhateverthehellitscalled at 25. I've tried. Doesn't happen. Would you PLEASE roll back these idiotic changes to tradeskilling? I can't sell to NPCs, the "fix" to alleviate tradeskill dependancy doesn't work, and basically I'm [Removed for Content]! I used to enjoy smithing, and I can't do it anymore.

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>then dont start off with T5 recipes  start off with T2 or T3 recipes   I am only a lvl 23 armorer   yeah  I am a NOOB who dont know [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], BUT when I needed to raise geocraft I found the lowest lvl thinkjg I could easily and cheaply produce one tier above where my geowhatthehelleveritscalled was at,  took all of 5 minutes to get form about 25 to 115 and about 5-10 combines.   jsut mash the buttons on your highest working counters for that skill.</DIV>

[Jeridor]

<blockquote><hr>Taar wrote:Why did Sony bother to give me Geomancy at a high level, and Geocrafting (or whatever it's called) at 25? This is utterly useless. I am NOT going to spend two months wasting money on fuel so I can raise my Geocrafting up to meet my Geomancy. Devs, what were you thinking? Even if fuel was free this would take an incredibly long time, I tried it, I'm not just theorizing. Apparently the devs were thinking "oh well a couple hours practice and you'll be fine". No. No no no. I'm at tier 5 weaponsmithing, it is impossible to make teak staves with my Geowhateverthehellitscalled at 25. I've tried. Doesn't happen. Would you PLEASE roll back these idiotic changes to tradeskilling? I can't sell to NPCs, the "fix" to alleviate tradeskill dependancy doesn't work, and basically I'm [Removed for Content]! I used to enjoy smithing, and I can't do it anymore.<hr></blockquote>Have you actually tested this out? I think your doom and gloom impression is unfounded. I maxed that skill at barely shy of 200 points in about 2 hours. I didn't need to use double fuel either because I made refines. Also, staves are wood related, not geomancy/geocraft... that's for the forge.<p>Message Edited by Jeridor on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:14 AM</span>

[Ta]

Well yes I have tried this, otherwise I wouldn't have ranted about it. Here's what I did.Bought all the books, figured out which ones were which.Bought a stack of components to make teak staves, I forget what they were called, but based on the recipe I had enough to make 20 of them. Making the raw teak wasn't too bad really, it was slow going and I lost a few fuels, but I was able to make 20 refined teak planks and had some leftover splinters. Great, now for the staves.That's where things went wrong. I wasn't expecting it to be easy, but seriously, I went through an entire stack of fuel hoping for the best "maybe I can get 1 stave out of this", and no, not a single one. So, let's try some t4 recipes to raise my Geocrafting. Went through a stack and raised my skill 1 point...uh...that's not good. That's going to be expensive. Let's try t3.Bought t3 stuff, same thing. Went through a fricking stack and didn't fare any better, maybe 1 skillup. T2 same thing. Ok, so try T1, and for some reason that was even worse. Huh? At this rate it's going to take me a stack of combines to get 2 skillups, and I have 250-25 - 225/2 = 112 stacks of combines. 112 stacks of combines? This was supposed to be a fix to allow us to craft items we couldn't otherwise craft, not a way for me to lose huge amounts of money skilling up on yet another crafting skill. If this had been in place from day 1 I would have already been doing this in the normal routine of making items, but as it is we're expected to do hundreds of stacks of combines to raise geocrafting? Surely this is a bug. Is it because I'm t5 geomancy, and the difference between that and the low level geocrafting is falling off the edge of an equation, basically negating my chance for a skillup? That's what I mean when I said this wasn't tested.

[Ta]

Yeah you're probably right about the name of the skills, I don't have my toon logged in right now.Basically my point is, there are two skills associated with each of these, like Geomancy and Geocrafting. When I logged in after the patch, one of them was already very high, like 220, and the other was very low, like 25. The one that was high allowed me to use higher level buffs, but without the skill to use them...I mean, if you're going to raise one of them to match my existing artisan level, just raise them both. Or don't raise either of them.<p>Message Edited by Taar on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:55 AM</span>

[Thesp]

<DIV>Like all other tradeskills, one skill is raised through leveling and is always maxed and one skill is raised through use. In order to make high level items you're going to need to max both skills (in this case, geocrafting). I started today on my Thaumaturgy (sp) skill and had it maxed in about 45 min of spamming the new tradeskill buffs (each cast has a chance at a skillup). While I do feel for you trying to make T5 combines with such a low skill (well, ok, I really couldn't give a crap), I also feel that you're overreacting a bit. Like any other tradeskill, you're going to have to train it, and yes, its going to take time.</DIV>

[Theodo]

<DIV>Yepp, leveling up the new skills is quite easy when using the higher level buffs. You can even level your skill by crafting Tier2 refines so that really doesn't cost much. After refining 2 or 3 stacks of maple staves and spending maybe 5 Silver on it you should be able to craft your teak stuff.</DIV>

[Jeridor]

Taar:Make only refines (i.e. lumber) until your skill is maxed, and use the highest con counter abilities you have in your book, and use them as much as possible. You'll have your skill maxed in no time.

[OperationsX]

<DIV>OMG, I can't believe some [Removed for Content] is actually complaining about this.</DIV> <DIV>I leveled 2 'special' skills to 150 in like 3 hours. Here's a hint: START WITH TIER 2! then go tier 3 then tier 4 then tier 5 !! Double fuel cost isn't not a big deal at all! Your gonna save lots of money by making your own products instead of buying them off broker. Tradeskilling is a freeking gravy train now! My alts just because useless unless my spells aren't selling (which since after patch every sage on norrath is pumping spells and leveling is a good possiblity)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But whatever, Artisan is no good anymore anyway. Its pointless leveling, pointless selling because of too much competition. Its like I said when I first saw this patch coming : Incoming economy disaster because of too much final product on market. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only viable tradeskill class is : <STRONG>Provisioner</STRONG> , which I'll be making soon. Why not? there's always a demand and thier fuel costs is 10x less than everyone elses and refines cost next to nothing</DIV>

[Ta]

I like how people can't read, it's funny. Dude I just said I already tried tier 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1. I'll try this again, but like I said, I already thought the same thing and tried it, and it didn't level me up.

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taar wrote:<BR>I like how people can't read, it's funny. Dude I just said I already tried tier 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1. I'll try this again, but like I said, I already thought the same thing and tried it, and it didn't level me up.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> What I did was start at T3 and spammed the new buffs. To start with combines were bordering on failing completely so I just spammed until it got low and then clicked stop so I wouldn't lose harvested components. I averaged about 3-4 skillups per combine to start and before long was able to successfully make shaped or regular refine items while my skill continued to rise.

[Rock]

<DIV>" like how people can't read, it's funny. Dude I just said I already tried tier 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1. I'll try this again, but like I said, I already thought the same thing and tried it, and it didn't level me up"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Think people read just fine just know better than what your posting. As a Carpenter it took me about an hour and a half to raise skill starting at Ash, then Briar and finally Teak. I followed the same procedure and have my Wort and Metal skills up as well very shortly. From all the talk on chat channel right after that patch no one was having a problem.</DIV>

[Jeridor]

<blockquote><hr>Taar wrote:I like how people can't read, it's funny. Dude I just said I already tried tier 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1. I'll try this again, but like I said, I already thought the same thing and tried it, and it didn't level me up.<hr></blockquote> Taar:My post was intended to be helpful, not to attack you - I do think I have some idea of what I'm talking about, I've maxed out three of the four new trainable skills and each took me about 2 hours to max. I'd do the last one too but it wouldn't benefit me.Am I calling you a liar? No. Am I saying you don't know what you're talking about because XXX worked for me? No. I'm saying that XXX worked for me and it worked quite well to boot. I make no judgment one way or the other as to whether there may be some reason it doesn't work for you. Maybe you've done everything I suggested for long periods of time to no avail. It's certainly possible and if that's the case, it also certainly sucks that you're in that position. But you know what? I don't think insulting people who made posts with the pure intent of helping you overcome a frustrating problem is going to do you any good.

[Ta]

Wow, that actually works. Thank you so much for the tips. What I had been doing was buying refined components and washes from the vendor and trying to make staves from that, and not getting many skillups at all with any of the tiers. But this morning I tried doing interim combines, just making refined T2 lumber, and that showed skillups right off the bat. This completely changes my outlook on tradeskills, I'm actually looking forward to repetitively mashing buttons again!

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>gratz mate,  good to hear it is workin out for you now,  g'luck with it.</DIV>

[Ta]

<blockquote><hr>OperationsX wrote:<DIV>OMG, I can't believe some [Removed for Content] is actually complaining about this.</DIV></blockquote>That's the response my "Dude, I already said..." was directed toward.