So are we getting compensated Sony?

[CuriousGeorge]

<DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Karma]

<DIV>try WOW tbh everyone else is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  eq2 is dead....</DIV>

[Dimidri]

<DIV>I kind of feel the same way, but there really isn't a way to compensate us for this. We just missed out. =/ Sucks, but, it's not like they can track every quest everyone did and give us rewards. Just got to suck it up and move on, this benefits the newer characters more than anyone. Or those who don't do quests regularly.</DIV>

[Vindicis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You want to be compensated for playing a game?  [Removed for Content], get a life.

[Skarr_Vect]

<DIV>Yeah, I can't see how you can complain about this really...  Crying over spilled milk IMO.</DIV>

[Despak]

It's the last stand of the perpetual whingers. They are getting desperate as they are slowing running out things to complain about.If you are so set in the mindset of "It's not fair cos x player can get better drops then I got" the reroll and start over. But in the meantime...<font size="30pt">GROW UP</font><p>Message Edited by Despak on <span class=date_text>02-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:11 AM</span>

[Oofaha]

It wouldn't really be too hard to compensate actually. We have a "quest completed" log. Just subtract the old experience reward from the new experience reward for each quest, add them all together, and give them all to the player in one lump sum. Same goes for coin rewards. I don't see the difficulty at all, it's a basic calculation. At the least they could allow us to remove quests from our quest completed journal *once* so we can do them over again.

[Jayces]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Wow, using your logic I should demand that I should be able to buy my house for £83,000 (it's value when I first started paying for it) instead of £200,000 (it's current value 8 years later).</P> <P>Here's a rality check, things change in MMORPGS all the time, if you aren't happy with this kind of environment then stick to stand alone games where you get what you play every single time you play it.</P> <P>Or how about you just delete your character and start again, after all eventually you will reach the end so you might as well do it again to cover the stuff you have missed out on.</P><p>Message Edited by Jayces on <span class=date_text>02-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:42 AM</span>

[Bhagpuss]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oofahart wrote:<BR>It wouldn't really be too hard to compensate actually. We have a "quest completed" log. Just subtract the old experience reward from the new experience reward for each quest, add them all together, and give them all to the player in one lump sum. Same goes for coin rewards. I don't see the difficulty at all, it's a basic calculation. At the least they could allow us to remove quests from our quest completed journal *once* so we can do them over again.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Excuse me? I don't <EM>want </EM>my characters' progressions messed with. I am 100% happy with where they all are right now and the last thing I want is to log in after patch and find that they have been allocated a bunch of retrospective xp and have changed level. I would be mad as a wet cat if my characters went down levels after a patch and <EM>just as mad </EM>if they went up.</P> <P>I don't know why I even bothered replying tbh - the idea of compensation for something like this is just too silly to respond to.</P>

[Oofaha]

It's a valid concern for *some* people. I'm not saying I care either way, but it could always be optional. I'm sure there will be lots out there that feel a bit bitter that they missed out on alot of coin/exp by actually doing all quests they could find unlike most.

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>maybe those who could do their wholesaler *quests* in buying the raw materials from the broker should get *COMPENSATED* too - it would only be fair then :smileywink:</DIV>

[aeio]

<blockquote><hr>CuriousGeorge wrote:<DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>You know the answer to that question.. Such a thing would be totally unfeasible... I have done 625 quests so far, so I sympathize with you, but it is just not going to happen.Just like when they boost experience on solo mobs, everyone who killed a solo mob before didn't get a boost in experience. These games change and evolve... You can't expect every change they make to be retroactive... they would be unable to make only a fraction of the changes they make if that were the case.

[Miral]

<DIV>The difference being that you can go and kill that solo mob as many itmes as you want, where as xp-giving quests can only be done once... I don't really care one way or the other anymore, just want to make sure facts are straight here</DIV>

[Runelaron]

<DIV>You gotta understand its kinda like vitality, If you have the time to do 500+ quests, then you most likely dont need the Boost of EXP for 1. You can only go to level 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So are you going to save all the quests from now on for the next expansion hoping they raise the level? or do you want that nifty item it gives you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is EQ2! they dont want people to be above everyone, Theres instance zones and most items are from quests and crafters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chainges are comming, they will be all the time, and if you REALY want to get to 50 and do quests so be it but theres no points to be 50 in the first 2 months when the expantion is 4 months down the road. Your just ruining the experiance, this game is now designed for the Casual gamer not the power gamer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There where people in EQ1 comlaining the same way you where the 3rd month in, why? cause they rushed to 50 just to quit untill the next expantion comes out, then repeat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This IS a completely different game, play it as one and enjoy it.</DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>not everyone is level 50 right now... I think the point was that those who grinded and didnt do many quests so far can now do those quests for more xp, while those that did quests instead of grinding lose out on that xp bonus now, and can never do those quests again.</DIV>

[Prax]

<DIV>When you start playing a new mmorpg at release, this kind of thing is par for the course.  </DIV> <DIV>Gotta live with it. According to your line of thinking, we should all get a big chunk of xp </DIV> <DIV>to 'compensate' for any soloing we did earlier in the game when solo xp sucked.</DIV>

[Neec]

<DIV>I agree, im level 50 on my server and feel a lil hard done by,,, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hit 50 have completed 500 + quests completed nearly every heritage quest since hitting 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since i hit 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Making cash...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They improved loot</DIV> <DIV>Made Cash and rewards from quests better</DIV> <DIV>Boosted rare drops from harvesting now my sills are maxed</DIV> <DIV>Changed stuff so all the atuned no trade stuff i had to delete i could  have now sold..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Earning XP</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They dramatically improved quest xp rewards</DIV> <DIV>They increased xp from mobs when hunting in general</DIV> <DIV>They added vitae so not only we get all these xp boosts we also get double xp on top of that..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not that its necesarily a bad thing  but all hte hard work i had to put into my character to get where i am all the scrimping and saving coppers to buy stuff and now you can level up in half the time solo or in groups and earn twice the cash.. It does kinda suck that us high level ppl that  put a lot in to get where we are  get there then see  SOE say grats on your hard work now as a reward we gunna make game easier for everyone else..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Neecha on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:53 PM</span>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV>I agree, im level 50 on my server and feel a lil hard done by,,, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hit 50 have completed 500 + quests completed nearly every heritage quest since hitting 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since i hit 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Making cash...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They improved loot</DIV> <DIV>Made Cash and rewards from quests better</DIV> <DIV>Boosted rare drops from harvesting now my sills are maxed</DIV> <DIV>Changed stuff so all the atuned no trade stuff i had to delete i could  have now sold..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Earning XP</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They dramatically improved quest xp rewards</DIV> <DIV>They increased xp from mobs when hunting in general</DIV> <DIV>They added vitae so not only we get all these xp boosts we also get double xp on top of that..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not that its necesarily a bad thing  but all hte hard work i had to put into my character to get where i am all the scrimping and saving coppers to buy stuff and now you can level up in half the time solo or in groups and earn twice the cash.. It does kinda suck that us high level ppl that  put a lot in to get where we are  get there then see  SOE say grats on your hard work now as a reward we gunna make game easier for everyone else..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Neecha on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:53 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Played EQ1 long enough and you can belive me - it will getting easier every month to the point that my cats can lvl a toon to 20 over the weekend. But I really dont mind because with some luck by then the next MMORPG will be out that claims <EM>that you have to earn your levels</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They all are  *hard*, unforgiving, and challenging  at the start but they get fat, lazy and dumb(ed down) just as humans do over the years.....</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tradeskill_Addict on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:58 AM</span>

[Lancealittle]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>The good news is, now you can start over and get all the bonuses. </P> <P>I'm also a quester, and I wish this was in from the start, but it's better now than never. I've done almost every quest I can do at my level, so I'll need to get to a new zone before I can take adantage of this.</P> <P>Don't look at this as a bad thing. It will benefit you from here on out. It may also get more people doing quests, so you will be able to find others to do the hard fights now.</P>

[Lig]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV>I agree, im level 50 on my server and feel a lil hard done by,,, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hit 50 have completed 500 + quests completed nearly every heritage quest since hitting 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since i hit 50..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Making cash...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They improved loot</DIV> <DIV>Made Cash and rewards from quests better</DIV> <DIV>Boosted rare drops from harvesting now my sills are maxed</DIV> <DIV>Changed stuff so all the atuned no trade stuff i had to delete i could  have now sold..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Earning XP</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They dramatically improved quest xp rewards</DIV> <DIV>They increased xp from mobs when hunting in general</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>They added vitae so not only we get all these xp boosts we also get double xp on top of that..</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not that its necesarily a bad thing  but all hte hard work i had to put into my character to get where i am all the scrimping and saving coppers to buy stuff and now you can level up in half the time solo or in groups and earn twice the cash.. It does kinda suck that us high level ppl that  put a lot in to get where we are  get there then see  SOE say grats on your hard work now as a reward we gunna make game easier for everyone else..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Neecha on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:53 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is not technically true. Vitae was always in the game (according to Moor anyways) it's just that it never had a display before.</P> <P>All they did was make it visible.<BR></P>

[sammythebull]

<DIV>Stuff gets changed, nothing we can do about it. If nothing else, it can be viewed as a reason to take our time and enjoy the game I suppose.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I helped make Alchemists on my server rich by pouring 40+ pp into them on WORTS on my way to 50 weaponsmith. Now those that are doing it can make their own, paying 1 s or LESS for T5 resources. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At the same time, I advanced quickly in weaponsmith because I could sell my wares to the vendor for 1G 92S at the time. I'm sure there's stuff we've all had the luxury of doing in the past that isn't available now, helps balance out the stuff we coudlnt' do then but can now, know what I mean?</DIV>

[Troodon]

<blockquote><hr>CuriousGeorge wrote:<DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Er well, its hardly a complex programming task to compare the old rewards to the new rewards in someones quest journal and give them the difference? Problem solved?

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TroodonIE wrote:<BR><BR>Er well, its hardly a complex programming task to compare the old rewards to the new rewards in someones quest journal and give them the difference? Problem solved?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The only "problem" is, the OP fails to grasp the fact that MMO's change constantly, well that or he is just one of those folks that is always looking for a free handout. Of course, you never see folks posting "Hey, they stopped letting us buy resources for Wholesaler tasks, please remove all the status I earned from that" (like someone mentioned above) or "Hey, everyone can make their own subs now, please return all this plat I earned to its rightful owners", it is *always* someone looking to get ahead with a free ride.</P> <P>The OP, as someone who is obviously an avid questor, could be looking at this change as a benefit, since now all his future questing endeavors will be rewarded all that much more, but he chose to take the negative mindset instead.. a real glass is half empty kinda person I guess.</P>

[Kroder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tradeskill_Addict wrote:<BR> <DIV>maybe those who could do their wholesaler *quests* in buying the raw materials from the broker should get *COMPENSATED* too - it would only be fair then :smileywink:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Golly...  That never occurred to me.  Before I did my betrayel quest, I helped out my wholesaler in freeport a lot by doing that.  Turned out I was responsible for 5% of the Xp for that society.  A society with over 1,100 members.</P> <P>Well, sadly enough I was forced to do that quest by buying off the broker.  In freeport, the local T3 zone was either Nektulos Forest, or traveling through Nektulos Forest to Thundering Steppes.  Very impractical to harvest in a zone where the fish try to harvest you.</P> <P> </P> <P>So, as a low level adventurer, but a mid level artisan, buying from the broker was the only realistic way to promote that society.   And before you gleefully howl exploit, bear in mind that the devs were completely aware of it.  They only changed it because too many players made zero effort to help the societies, resulting in less than 1% of the members of the society participating.</P> <P>I have since betrayed to qeynos, lost my status as a result.  But I can at least direct harvest now.</P> <P> </P> <P>Still think you understood what was going on completely?</P> <P> </P>

[theplayer0670]

<DIV>LOL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You want compensation for changing MMORPG content</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What an idiot</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure, they will get right on that, just like i want compensation for my 5 yeard old Cleric Epic in EQ1 now that it is easier to get</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why dont you just quit and please spare us your crap on these boards?</DIV>

[Samnas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I am sure they are doing this with the sole intention of "screwing people over".  Probably targeting you specifically I think.  If I wanted a game that never changed, never balanced, never nerfed (yes even nerfed when appropriate); then I would not play a MMORPG. 

[Suraklin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Karmaaa wrote:<BR> <DIV>try WOW tbh everyone else is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  eq2 is dead....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I'm only staying cause I'm a sadomasochist and wanna see how much worse than SWG this game can become.</DIV>

[Rock]

<DIV>Really dont understand the logic of this post. Griping by people about something that doesn't affect them at all except maybe positively if they wish to build another character or when they do quests that they add that are new. Seems to me this game is still pretty new and tweaking to find the right balance of coin/exp is reasonable. Cant really blame SOE because you spend 90 a hours a week blazing thru the game.</DIV>

[Solarax]

<blockquote>I kind of feel the same way, but there really isn't a way to compensate us for this. We just missed out. =/ Sucks, but, it's not like they can track every quest everyone did and give us rewards</blockquote>actualy they can do exactly that. im not commenting on weather they should or should not but am simply commenting on thier ability to do it. they can in fact make any quest they choose retro reward you based on a simple script they already have .

[Barneba]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CuriousGeorge wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see in the patch notes that you are changing the coin and experience rewards that quests give.... Well this leaves me feeling cheated. Why? Because I have done over 530 quests to date, many if not most were for lousy coin and experience rewards at the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will we who have done these quests in the past receive any compensation to maintain equality with the people that do them after this patch??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure the answer is no but this one really ticks me off... Keep screwing people over why don't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hey man, I bought a 32" widescreen TV just over 1 year ago... Cost me a whole lot of hard earned cashed - maybe took me like 1 year to safe up for this nice TV, and then I couldnt even afford the TV table made especially for the TV...</P> <P>Today I see that same TV in stores for HALF the price WITH the TV-table included... I wasted ALOT of money on that TV, you would think???</P> <P>Well, I see it differently... I had the best TV at the time - enjoyed countless hours of watching TV and movies every single day... Prices drops - story of life... Hey even my computer I just bought 3 months ago is alot cheaper today!!! But I knew prices where gonna fall - they always do...</P> <P>I knew that MMORPGS like EQ2 gets patched alot - and things will change...</P> <P>I for one wouldnt wanna enter the game and find out Im suddenly 5 levels higher than the day before - just because I got some "retro" xp change... 5 Levels and I suddenly outlevelled my friends who didnt do as many quests, I outlevelled the zones I was looking forward too, The current quest I had are now green and not so fun, new spells and skills that override the adept 3 spell I just bought (so technically I want to be refunded for that too!!!) etc...</P> <P>There would be too many complications with just handing out free exp and money like that... You have to remember the whole economy has been centered around the money people have NOW - if people suddenly had tons new money instantly it could ruin the economy (one day one spell is 1gp - next day same is 3gp... People who just sold for 1gp would want 2gp as a refund because prices went up because of that patch!!!).</P> <P>I just think you didnt quite think your idea trough good enough...<BR></P>

[Wurm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimidrius wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but, it's not like they can track every quest everyone did and give us rewards. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>They darn sure can track every single quest we have done... its called the Quest Journal. All of us have one filled with every quest we have finished since starting the game.</P> <P>The reason they WON'T compensate those of us who have finished most of the quests in the game... its too much work and SoE has a bad habit of being very lazy when it comes to customer relationship.</P>

[arik]

<DIV>arikki hands out the cheese......[Removed for Content]</DIV>

[Samnas]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wurm wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimidrius wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but, it's not like they can track every quest everyone did and give us rewards. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>They darn sure can track every single quest we have done... its called the Quest Journal. All of us have one filled with every quest we have finished since starting the game.</P> <P>The reason they WON'T compensate those of us who have finished most of the quests in the game... its too much work and SoE has a bad habit of being very lazy when it comes to customer relationship.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Fitting signature Wurm !  </P> <P>A one time immediate influx of money if they did this would cause quite a bit of economic disruption and even more people wanting to be compensated for stuff they sold prior to the influx of money (as someone else explained well in an above post).  I prefer to think this is the reason they will likely not be giving extra coin for the hundreds of quests many people already completed rather than they are just lazy.  </P>

[Miral]

<DIV>I dono, they let horse owners sell back for full price (many of which were from ill-begotten funds), bringing that tainted money back into the economy...</DIV>

[Suraklin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>I dono, they let horse owners sell back for full price (many of which were from ill-begotten funds), bringing that tainted money back into the economy...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Define I'll begotten funds please. The people who did writs for coin didn't get their money by exploiting anything. The stupid Devs programmed the writs to pay that much coin. It's SOE's(Screw Over Everyone) fault if the economy is out of balance not the crafters who did writs for guild status points. Sounds like your jealous cause you probably weren't high enough crafter to do them yourself. I didn't do  writs eventhough I could have. What's really sad though is I made more money today from selling bones for the collection quests and stuff I harvested. I didn't sell a single food or drink item and made 17 gold. I wouldn't make 17 gold in a week of selling tier 4 food or drink. The economy for Provisoners is basically dead right now. The nerf to horses is going to backfire too. Since they reduced the speeds no one wants one now. So now people are going to have a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]load of coin cause the horse moneysink isn't going to work now. The biggest moneysink in the game at all was the horses. SOE is clueless on how to run this game period. I'm only staying cause I'm a sadomasochist who wants to see how much worse than SWG this game can become.</DIV>

[AlA]

<DIV>This is to nobody in particular.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this kind of idiom that because I suffered or worked hard, that those after me should suffer too or that I should be compensated for being not being paid wages that did not exist at the my time, this is what the world would be like ....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. We would still be riding on horses because everyone would have veto'd the invention of the car because people who walked or rode horses had to do so, so all those following should also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. We would still be working for 10 cents an hour because our forebearers would have risen up in revolt and never allowed it, or we would not exist because those revolters would be dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. There would still be slavery everywhere because slaves would be too jelous of those who would be free to allow it or to try to strive for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. There would be no air conditioners because our forebearers would not allow it because we too should have to work in a hot offices and sweatshops just like them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. There would be no computers, no typewriters, no word processors, no spell checkers, no internet, no online forums, no wonderful cold drinks on a hot summer day, freedom would be a myth.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is what I think of when I think of this - No improvement. Do You really think that Sony should perpetuate a system of poor returns just because that is how it's been so far? I hope and doubt that you really feel this way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for being compensated, well, if they choose to, that's all well and good, but the fact that Sony wishes it so that nobody else will have to deal with rewards that don't even cover the cost of a quest like I, You, and many others did, is compensation enough for me. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is a noble code to live by ..... "If I can't live free, if I can't have happiness or live a better life with less suffering and toil, than maybe I can do something so someone else can!" It's the very anti-thesis of selfishness, to be able to rejoice in the happiness of that those after us will not have to suffer as we did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remember the old story about the landowner who went out to the city to hire workers to work in the field? How he hired those who were there at the break of daylight, offering a gold for a days work, then he went out at two hour intervals and continued to give the same offer, till it was a mere hour before evening, and he hired more for the same wage. When it was all paid out, the workers who had worked many more hours than those who were hired at the end of day recieved their gold just as everyone else was paid, complained and objected saying "We worked from sun-up till sun-set in your fields and yet you only paid us a gold and yet you paid those who only worked an hour a gold as well!" His reply was "Did I cheat You? Did I not pay you exactly what I promised to pay? If I wish to be generous and pay those who worked for only an hour the same wage, of what business is it of yours? Go your way in peace, You have been paid the wage you were promised and agreed to."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I really must ask You. How did you feel when you were doing all those quests? Were you not having fun? Did you NOT feel a sense of accomplishment? Was it not worth the time? I know the answer for nobody who has done the quests as avidly as many of those in the game have pursued them, unless they enjoyed the doing of them. You were not cheated. I wonder how many men went home feeling thoroughly chastised.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this message leaves you feelling similarly chastised, than be glad because there is hope for you Yet. Yes, the saying is true, fear not the day of pain, but fear the day when you cannot feel the pain of others. Fear not the day of tears, but the day when you cannot cry for others. For if that day comes, Ye would have been reduced to little more than intelligent animals, and not the true nobility and selflessness that so many of us find such joy in reading books and watching movies like Lord of the Rings, and in playing games, were we cooperate and help each-other and derive the best benefit from the game when we do. Yes, It never occurred to me, that this game had a moral lesson - That if we cooperate with each-other for the common good, we reap the greatest benefits. I have just concluded that Sony, has more instinctive wisdom than I first imagined.</DIV>

[AlA]

While I do agree with your feelings, telling someone to grow up is like telling a child to jump up and run when they've not even learned to crawl. No shame in having to learn to crawl first mind you, but such growing up, takes a lot of effort. I'm 49 years old and every single day, I'm constantly reminded much to my shame, that rather than growing up, I'm simply growing old. Ironic isn't it. It is quite true, that you cannot teach a person to have consideration for others by treating them with contempt, intolerance and insults unless by some fluke, You do what my dad did, who treated me with such sadistic glee, that I came to absolutely hate him so much I strive every day to at least try to be the opposite.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Despak wrote:<BR>It's the last stand of the perpetual whingers. They are getting desperate as they are slowing running out things to complain about.<BR><BR>If you are so set in the mindset of "It's not fair cos x player can get better drops then I got" the reroll and start over. But in the meantime...<BR><BR><FONT size=30>GROW UP</FONT> <P>Message Edited by Despak on <SPAN class=date_text>02-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:11 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[AlA]

I agree. Some enjoy the rewards if they work for them. This is of course laudable. Others could choose to recieve compensation for past underpayment or inadequate rewards. Obviously, it should be a user option where they evoke a command to evoke the process or just choose not to and move on from there.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bhagpuss wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oofahart wrote:<BR>It wouldn't really be too hard to compensate actually. We have a "quest completed" log. Just subtract the old experience reward from the new experience reward for each quest, add them all together, and give them all to the player in one lump sum. Same goes for coin rewards. I don't see the difficulty at all, it's a basic calculation. At the least they could allow us to remove quests from our quest completed journal *once* so we can do them over again.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Excuse me? I don't <EM>want </EM>my characters' progressions messed with. I am 100% happy with where they all are right now and the last thing I want is to log in after patch and find that they have been allocated a bunch of retrospective xp and have changed level. I would be mad as a wet cat if my characters went down levels after a patch and <EM>just as mad </EM>if they went up.</P> <P>I don't know why I even bothered replying tbh - the idea of compensation for something like this is just too silly to respond to.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[guillero]

<DIV>Gahh kids! Thats why they should only allow mature people into the game <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> No whining ....maybe a maturity check when logging for the first time an option?? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Auberon_Feykin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oofahart wrote:<BR>It's a valid concern for *some* people. I'm not saying I care either way, but it could always be optional. I'm sure there will be lots out there that feel a bit bitter that they missed out on alot of coin/exp by actually doing all quests they could find unlike most.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR><BR>Mostly I'll be unhappy if people who are my level that I adventure with go and complete quests I've been done with for 10-15 levels and as a result signifigantly outlevel me. At that point I will feel unfairly treated for having done the quests when they were difficult to solo/duo. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>So, from what it looks like, I'm not going to really be happy with recieving nothing but the "pleasure" of having done those quests . . . <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>Edit: Thread locked for immaturity and rudeness.</FONT></STRONG></P><p>Message Edited by Moorgard on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:44 AM</span>