Holy Steed Combat Art

[Dyeana]

<DIV>Yea, the horse was fun for a few minutes while it lasted.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But what I found annoying was the nerfing of the combat Art in the name of "class balancing".  Definately a post change lame excuse if I ever did see one!  Why not try at least being honest once in a while?????</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But it's water over the dam ... so to speak.  Personally I think all the level 20 fun spells should be totally nerfed to remove all effects or side benifits.  There are some awfull usefull uses to these effects which are also used as class imbalancing items, if that is the reason you wish to stick by.  Besides, would have the great benifit to place all classes on a more equal balanced stance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Holy Steed was fun for a few minutes, but very useless in movement and groups since I always have another character on auto-follow.  Very seldom did I see the need to ever use the spell.  Even more annoying than the speed movement mismatch, is the DAMMMMMMM SPAM caused by having this combat art scribed and using it once.  Every time you cross water, of even try to camp, get the message which starts "You can't do that, ....."   You can take the time to nerf it, but can't find the time to remove the harassment spam that was with the spell.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never did get the cleric "fun" spell since I found the paladin one so annoying.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, Please, at least give us some way to remove / unscribe them from our Knowledge Books.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Linsha - Paladin / Princess - Templar of the Test Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dracl]

<DIV>I certainly don't want to silence useful feedback, and I'm sure devs have very thick skins by now, but I was struck by the lack of sensibility in your post.  Do you really think that devs go to the office in the morning, get their coffee with cream, and attend a meeting entitled "how we can harrass our revenue generating players today"?  Maybe you think they would better spend their time in a meeting entitled "How to help <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=111301" target=_blank><SPAN>Dyeana</SPAN></A> figure out that players don't have to use a spell they don't like".</DIV>

[Jackkal]

The point is, all you have to do is use the Holy/Unholy steed ONCE.I havent used mine since the nerf. I still get spammed to hell.

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dyeana wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yea, the horse was fun for a few minutes while it lasted.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But what I found annoying was the nerfing of the combat Art in the name of "class balancing".  Definately a post change lame excuse if I ever did see one!  Why not try at least being honest once in a while?????</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But it's water over the dam ... so to speak.  Personally I think all the level 20 fun spells should be totally nerfed to remove all effects or side benifits.  There are some awfull usefull uses to these effects which are also used as class imbalancing items, if that is the reason you wish to stick by.  Besides, would have the great benifit to place all classes on a more equal balanced stance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Holy Steed was fun for a few minutes, but very useless in movement and groups since I always have another character on auto-follow.  Very seldom did I see the need to ever use the spell.  Even more annoying than the speed movement mismatch, is the DAMMMMMMM SPAM caused by having this combat art scribed and using it once.  Every time you cross water, of even try to camp, get the message which starts "You can't do that, ....."   You can take the time to nerf it, but can't find the time to remove the harassment spam that was with the spell.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never did get the cleric "fun" spell since I found the paladin one so annoying.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, Please, at least give us some way to remove / unscribe them from our Knowledge Books.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Linsha - Paladin / Princess - Templar of the Test Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Sorry to be rude here but come on, are you really that ignorant?</P> <P>Paladins/SKs were the only classes that DID have useful fun spells. they WERE fixed, and now ALL fun spells are JUST FOR LOOKS. Oh wait, thats not right either... the Paladin/SK fun spell STILL goes as fast as JBOOTS. So Paladins/SKs STILL have the advantage in fun spells.</P> <P>sure theres still a couple horse related bugs that need to be worked out, but the rest of the origional post is just plain stupid.</P> <P> </P> <P>PS For the last friggen time: IT WAS NOT A NERF IT WAS A FIX. PALADIN/SK HORSES WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE <U>ANY</U> RUNSPEED BUFFS.</P>

[Cecil_Stri]

<DIV>actually.. goin as fast as jboots isn't that great.... since you can't sprint on a horse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So its nice and useless with the rest of us <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Just for looks </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do think that maybe soe should add some fun spells that are useful.... Crusader horse with speed later levels...  Familiar that give stats like in eq...  Levitate.. ect</DIV>

[observer]

<DIV>No  kidding, the ones who got the jboots from preordering are the ones being treated unfair...why the hell should a paladin/shadowknight get the same run speed without paying?  Not once did I complain about the jboots pre-patch, you should be lucky you even got the advantage without paying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Radulank]

<blockquote><hr>observer wrote:<DIV>No kidding, the ones who got the jboots from preordering are the ones being treated unfair...why the hell should a paladin/shadowknight get the same run speed without paying? Not once did I complain about the jboots pre-patch, you should be lucky you even got the advantage without paying.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Odd i preorded and got j-boots. And i paid the exact same ammount as the people i know who didn't pre-order. And my j-boots came with /claim. The pally / SK horse cost them at least 14silvers. So they are actually the ones who "paid" something, not those that pre-ordered.

[Bad_Mojo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cecil_Strife wrote:<BR> <DIV>actually.. goin as fast as jboots isn't that great.... since you can't sprint on a horse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So its nice and useless with the rest of us <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Just for looks </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do think that maybe soe should add some fun spells that are useful.... Crusader horse with speed later levels...  Familiar that give stats like in eq...  Levitate.. ect</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=21#M21" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=21#M21</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*excerpt*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Your speed while on a mount is no longer limited by the maximum speed of the mount. If you receive a movement buff that is faster than the default speed of your mount, you will now move at the faster speed for the duration of the speed increase. This includes spells such as Spirit of the Wolf and abilities such as Sprint.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileywink:<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=21#M21" target=_blank></A></DIV>

[observer]

<DIV>The ones that didn't preorder didn't get the Jboots though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If what you say is true about pre-ordering and not pre-ordering being the same price, then I am wrong.</DIV>

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cecil_Strife wrote:<BR> <DIV>actually.. goin as fast as jboots isn't that great.... since you can't sprint on a horse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So its nice and useless with the rest of us <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Just for looks </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do think that maybe soe should add some fun spells that are useful.... Crusader horse with speed later levels...  Familiar that give stats like in eq...  Levitate.. ect</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>rtfpn!</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and as for preordering...if it costs or not depends on where you buy it from. some places have deposits, some places have extra costs, and some places just take your credit card number so that you pay for the game whether you pick it up or not.</P>

[Marty78]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cecil_Strife wrote:<BR> <DIV>actually.. goin as fast as jboots isn't that great.... since you can't sprint on a horse.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You are wrong. You can sprint while on a horse since the last patch.</DIV>

[Wurm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dyeana wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yea, the horse was fun for a few minutes while it lasted.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But what I found annoying was the nerfing of the combat Art in the name of "class balancing".  Definately a post change lame excuse if I ever did see one!  Why not try at least being honest once in a while?????</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But it's water over the dam ... so to speak.  Personally I think all the level 20 fun spells should be totally nerfed to remove all effects or side benifits.  There are some awfull usefull uses to these effects which are also used as class imbalancing items, if that is the reason you wish to stick by.  Besides, would have the great benifit to place all classes on a more equal balanced stance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Holy Steed was fun for a few minutes, but very useless in movement and groups since I always have another character on auto-follow.  Very seldom did I see the need to ever use the spell.  Even more annoying than the speed movement mismatch, is the DAMMMMMMM SPAM caused by having this combat art scribed and using it once.  Every time you cross water, of even try to camp, get the message which starts "You can't do that, ....."   You can take the time to nerf it, but can't find the time to remove the harassment spam that was with the spell.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never did get the cleric "fun" spell since I found the paladin one so annoying.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, Please, at least give us some way to remove / unscribe them from our Knowledge Books.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Linsha - Paladin / Princess - Templar of the Test Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Sorry to be rude here but come on, are you really that ignorant?</P> <P>Paladins/SKs were the only classes that DID have useful fun spells. they WERE fixed, and now ALL fun spells are JUST FOR LOOKS. Oh wait, thats not right either... the Paladin/SK fun spell STILL goes as fast as JBOOTS. So Paladins/SKs STILL have the advantage in fun spells.</P> <P>sure theres still a couple horse related bugs that need to be worked out, but the rest of the origional post is just plain stupid.</P> <P> </P> <P>PS For the last friggen time: IT WAS NOT A NERF IT WAS A FIX. PALADIN/SK HORSES WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE <U>ANY</U> RUNSPEED BUFFS.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>BLAH BLAH BLAH WHAA WHAA WHAA... My friends ranger's hawk takes agro when he runs aways, MY wizards cat did the same thing. Does it bother me? No. Did a Paladin riding by on his or her horse bother me? No. Did bother you? Obviously or you still wouldn't be trying to convince the rest of us that it was a bug fix.</P> <P>Its done and over with, now shut the [FAAR-NERFED!] up and go play the game.</P>

[Miral]

<DIV>the taking of aggro doesnt exactly happen all the time... its a bug when the pet gets hit with an AoE attack that it starts attacking. I'm sure this will be fixed in turn as well, the devs just can't do everything in one patch or we'd never see a patch. So yours was the first to be fixed. boo hoo. Most classes are begging to be fixed and you are whining because yours WAS fixed. I'm not trying to convince anything. It was a bug that crusader horses had any run buff at all. Moorgard as well as common sense told us this. You still have the same run speed as someone with jboots on.... and someone with jboots has to lose a piece of their armor and stats to wear jboots. I don't see you taking off your armor to ride a horse... yes there are other bugs with the horse but I'm sure they will be fixed as well as soon as SOE can figure out what is causing them and how to fix them (the fact that you get spammed with "you cannot do that while sitting" for even having the horse spell in your book is probably boggling them hehehe). Anyways, I'm sure rangers would gladly give up the bug that their pet has if some of the other bugs of the class were looked at as well. I think SOE's approach (which I do not agree with) is to fix one class at a time... FIrst was wizards and warlocks, next up is crusaders.... then who knows what? This being for actual bug fixes I mean... doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the bugs created / actual nerfs (like say... scouts not being able to kill weak solo mobs, root being effective broken and useless, or casters not being able to even hit higher level mobs (My 25 necro gets resisted by level 30 mobs 99% of the time... all my casting skills are maxxed too so thats not it... and I have about 100 intelligence when buffed), and lets not forget the fact that sneak and invis no longer work at all if the group is in combat. wanna scout ahead while the group takes on a weaker mob? too bad. and scouts.... poor scouts... half their abilities just because useless)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>02-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:52 PM</span>

[Dyeana]

<DIV>Personally guys, I could care less that the horse was nerfed or not.  I would just like to see a way to remove the this "Combat Art" from my knowledge book, which would indirectly also remove the spam associated with it I hope.   I find the spam and any speed movement differential offsetting any usefullness or "fun" to having Holy Steed loaded in my Knowledge Book, in either the changed or pre-changed versions.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I was noting was;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.   The effort they took to change the horse, but no effort to remove the spam which has existed since one of the early Nov 2004 patches and continues to exist dispite numerous bug reports.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.  The excuse given that it was class or speed balanced change was lame, since the horses still exist in the game, and at that point in the game, if anyone truely wanted a horse, they should have the smarts to have earned enough plat to purchase one.  Yes, it would have required disable combat exp and farm a few mobs for a bit, but it is possible for anyone to have the advantage of the horse as early as the mid teens.  And,  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3.  If the change was made as they say, or more other players state, for "fairness to all the players", change all the level 20 "Fun" spells to be visual or animations only, and remove all the minor advantages from these spells.  Make a change which is truely fair across all classes.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dye</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Wurm]

<BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>Miral you don't get it... I could really care less about the Horse. My problem is with nerf herders who instead of playing the game and enjoying whatever class they chose to play, come here to the forums and whine and complain. And with Sony who instead of fixing really bad bugs and making the game better FOR EVERYONE listens to the whiners and pulls out the nerf stick. Nerfherders ruined SWG and they are already hurting this Game as well. And FYI the taking agro only due to a AoE strike is B. S. If my wizard hits help the cat attacks period. Regardless if the mob kicking his butt uses AoE or not.<BR>

[Miral]

<DIV>Now I agree wiht you that they should ix bugs instead of nerfing, but really in teh case of that horse it WAS a bug fix, not a nerf. Maybe not as important as say abilities that dont work or memory leaks, but a bug none the less...</DIV>

[Radulank]

<blockquote><hr>Miral wrote:<DIV>Now I agree wiht you that they should ix bugs instead of nerfing, but really in teh case of that horse it WAS a bug fix, not a nerf. Maybe not as important as say abilities that dont work or memory leaks, but a bug none the less...</DIV><hr></blockquote>but they only fixed the speed bug, not any of the spam bugs or other bugs. so it was a half a bug fix.

[Miral]

<DIV>Really? Well it is SOE after all, home of the half-[Removed for Content] bug fix... Like the fact that they fixed a healer exploit by making sneak and invis useless if the group is in combat...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>