THE PROTEST OF CRAFTED GOODS

[batter_then]

<DIV>lets just like not buy anymroe crafted items till this is fixed show those winer crafters that the adventures controll the market in the end not them... </DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> <DIV>lets just like not buy anymroe crafted items till this is fixed show those winer crafters that the adventures controll the market in the end not them... </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>let's just grow up and read the rules for posting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you lose, thanks for playing!</DIV>

[Darken_St]

<DIV>IBTL</DIV>

[Jan It]

Let´s call out a general strike and stop crafting. Wait, we don´t stop crafting thoroughly, we just produce for ourselves and our friends. Look who´s king of the hill now.Honestly, only buy crafted good if you think they´re worth it. That way well come coloser to a working economy.

[batter_then]

<DIV>ya thats the way to go or better yet doing quest. i may hate quest but its better then paying 10 gold for a piece of feysteal armor</DIV>

[Proudfoot]

<blockquote><hr>batter_then_u wrote:<DIV>ya thats the way to go or better yet doing quest. i may hate quest but its better then paying 10 gold for a piece of feysteal armor</div><hr></blockquote>Here's a hint: You don't have to buy it.Here's another hint: There is no obligation to buy something RIGHT NOW. Patience grasshopper.

[Miral]

<DIV>people who post IBTL and nothing else should instantly be permabanned form the forums...</DIV>

[batter_then]

<DIV>i would rather just buy it all now at a resonible price and then when im done with it sell it for about half of what i got it for.... lot easier makes the game a little mroe fun to </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>o and btw what is IBTL</DIV>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>people who post IBTL and nothing else should instantly be permabanned form the forums...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> IBTL and nothing else

[batter_then]

<DIV>o thanks....</DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>ibtl = in before the lock. peope think it makes em cool.... it doesn't. all it does it take up webspace and bandwidth with another posting of the signature and forum formatting, useless.</DIV>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>all it does it take up webspace and bandwidth<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>In my experiences, its the original post that incited the IBtL replies that is the useless waste of webspace and bandwidth, not to mention the 30 sec of my life that it took to read the rediculous sputter.<BR>

[Miral]

<DIV>at least the origional poster expressed a concern/opinion, and offered his own way of dealing with it, as opposed to the IBTL people that post a single accronym and nothing else... kinda like forums/threads where people post: First Post! and nothing else... Reminds me of kindergarten kids about to play tag yelling out 1 2 3 not it</DIV><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 PM</span>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miral wrote:<BR> <DIV>at least the origional poster expressed a concern/opinion, and offered his own way of dealing with it</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, he just posted some assinine remark trying to stir up drama.<BR></P>

[Miral]

<DIV>not really. Basically what he is wanting is a boycott of player made goods. Hell, America was basically founded on a boycott of taxed goods...</DIV>

[Thesp]

<DIV>the OP was a joke, so are my replies, don't make it sound like he's serious or something :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Darken_St]

<DIV>Actually you wish to insult me for saying in before the lock and nothgin else. Here is why I would do such a thing. And I would also like to refer the same person I am directing this to to search for name name in the forums, this op and his absolutely baseless, ignorant and degenerate post was worthy of nothing else, and earned my first silent IBTL.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The op is both ignorant and shortsighted in both his views and post. This change is for both adventurers and crafters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Let me reiterate, this change is for the BENEFIT (i.e the overall good) of both the crafters (people who create items with a longer lvl span and mediocre stats) and adventurers (who from chest drops supply better than all but crafted rares, statwise, but at the cost of a shorter duration of use.)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How does this change do these things you ask? Simple. By preventing the trivialization of the items in the game so that they are more appreciated/valued due to the fact they now leave the game. At the same time removing interdepndance depreciates crafted goods (I know I lowered all my t5 pristine shields and bows from 7g to 5g), due to the fact you can make something from raws for less than you couldpaying greedy subcomponent makers pbefore the patch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Thus making loot drops worth more to players who wish to broker or auction them and making player made gear more affordable and at the same time producing long term viability for crafters, and adventurer incomes alike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now why did I say i before the lock instead of what I just posted? The title and nature of the ops thread is akin to an attempt at a petition, protest or blacklist, all against forum regulations, directed at every player who chose to value the crafting part of this game, just because the op did not. The op started this thread expecting it to degenerate into a mindless flame war, and to stir the proverbial pot, and make waves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, again, and with more understanding as to why I say this. In Before The Lock of This Degenerate, Pointless Attempt at a Blacklist (ala against forum rules) of all Crafters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alexis.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Darken_Star on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 PM</span>

[BlackHa]

<DIV>Horizons all over again. The Adventurer verse Crafters debate (War) has begun in earnest. Lets put a stop to it all. How about crafters <STRONG>and</STRONG> adventurers verse the developers that incite this nonsense. There already was a decay system (death based) in place. They just didn't have the guts to let decay make items go completely away. Instead we get high fuel costs and terrible sell back prices.</DIV>

[Odi]

<DIV>No offense, but do you type with your face? :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>ok so put your view out there and prove it to him, or don't post at all. IBTL accomplishes nothing.</DIV>

[Cecil_Stri]

<DIV>Silly batter... always good for a laugh</DIV>

[batter_then]

<DIV>adventures still cant sell there armor which is a bunch of bs. there is no point to it... there will allways be a plase ofr crafters weather i like it or not. but when a big portion of what i have invested my gold into is suddenally taken away with out justification then me and everyone else has a right to be pist. say i was an unlucky person with the lotto system.... then what? i cant get gold worth a s**t, i can still do quest but there time consuming and usally have a horrible reward. you cant do soemthing liek this while keeping the same amount of currency in the game. this would be ok if they inflated the markets a little and prices stayed were they were. But no they couldnt do that. they just had to screw over basically any adventurer whos a little tight on cash. so anyway thanks SOE for making the market a better plase... this might actually beet the agitlity nerf that scouts were cursed with a while ago. And i thought the couldnt get anymroe stupid...</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> batter_then_u wrote:<BR> <DIV>lets just like not buy anymroe crafted items till this is fixed show those winer crafters that the adventures controll the market in the end not them... </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>fine with me, I had to sell my tier2 non-pristine armor for some silver so far, a boycott means nothing to me.</P> <P>but I might add that only complete morons think EQ2 is a market-sim. no one really cares *who controls the market* because only those to dumb or lazy to quest are <FONT color=#66ccff>dependant </FONT>on crafters. </P>

[Obi]

<DIV>Hmm.. in my opinion the patch was actually a bless. (90% sure of it) I enjoy both crafting and adventuring in the game. And looking at it from both sides I think this will work, though I am a little bit sceptic still. I'm not sure about attuning all items. Maybe that was a bit to much. They should have instead made all armors raceunique. For example, a dwarf shouldn't be able to wear a human armor hehe. That would look funny, and the other way around. It would create some balance but still not making it to much for the players to handle.</DIV> <DIV>SOE think the change will improve the economy. In my opinion, the only ones who can change the economy in the game are the players. If everyone could stop overpricing on the market and actually sell items for what they really are worth, then pherhaps we could have an enjoyable game! It sounds so good in theory huh? I've come to know gamers to well though... maybe I'm generalizing but, I know greed is hard to handle for some of us atleast. So... less whining, more playing! :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>