This is horrible and goodbye

[Tilerae]

<DIV> <DIV>This has really put some things into persective for me. I regularly do not keep up with patches or what was changed because I was thrilled with EQ2 as it was. I have never asked for anything more from the game than it already was and yet more patches kept coming. This was annoying because I lost playing time everyday as they do another update which I feel is unnecessary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since last week I have heard nothing but complaints about the latest patch. Today it went live and every channel seems to be filled with outrage people. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adventurers are upset that their horse is worthless. Many of these people saved up and bought their horse for an absorbant amount of platinum in the current economy. Others had it as a privilage of class. Regaurdless, the speed of the horses are abhorent now. A level 5 buff will easily allow me to outrun most horses which is just silly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adventurers are also upset about the requirement to attune all armour. I can understand the reasoning but I do not agree with it. If you are woried about flooding the market then choose a different tradeskill which has a consumable product. I have a hard tme making plat and contantly buy armour to upgrade whenever possible. i then sel my old armour to recooperate the cost. Yes, I can resell attuned armour to a vendor but the buyback price is an insult. They then point to crafters as having a strangle hold on the market.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Crafters are upset about the increased fuel costs. This has essentually made crafting a losing endevour. When crafting and selling to the vendor since no one else will buy the scrolls I lose money. I would like to just break even but I am not even close.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Crafters are also upset about the removal of interdependency. I personally made intermediate items and sold them to try and make money. I never made very much because there were plenty of other people making the same items and prices were self regulating. Now that everyone can make intermediate items I will not be able to sell anything and lost another source of plat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have played EQ2 since it was started and have a couple of characters in thier early 30's and a grand total of 2 plat. I am sure other people play more and have more, but it took me a good while to reach this point and I was happy with it. With the latest "enhancement" I see an extremely dim outlook to the game. I feel I can not make money as an adventurer or a crafter. I am trying to figure out who this actually benefited and alas it escapes me. I feel Sony is taking advantage of my long term commitment to their games. I have played EQ1 or 2 since it was released and accounts for continual play for what about 6 years? I have had about all I can stand and I wish the best for any fools that continue to take thier abuse. This may be the only real way of breaking through to the developement team as they see their precious user base disappear due to their stupidity. Evidently I mean very little to anyone there but they do not have a monopoly nor a captive audiance. Good luck!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and one more thing while I am complaining. The customer support is attrocious. Rarely do I need any help ingame that can not be provided by guild members, but it occassionaly happens. The petition command should submit a problem to someone as it did in eq1 not open help which doesn't actually have an answer to your question. However, I am sure you managed to save some money by doing this instead of using volentary guides? Very sad!</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Tilerae22 on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:51 PM</span>

[Lars]

<DIV>I agree my disappoinment with SoE knows no limits right now, im not gonna quit.......yet</DIV>

[Jayces]

<DIV>I've played since launch and have about 3 gold, i'm happy.</DIV>

[Aegori]

<DIV>Not to get on you or anything, but it seems like you let the community make up your mind for you. Changes like this are long term changes. Effects from these changes are to be measured well into the future. Yes, there's an small uproar over some of the changes that went in, but 95% of those people haven't even experienced the change yet. Many of the viewpoints on these forums are extremely short sighted and myopic and you really should decide for yourself. Most of the changes were well outlined by developers as to why they happened and they are, in many's opinions, for the good of the game. Yes, there is a vocal crowd that doesn't like the changes because either A) the change adversely affected them because a game mechanic wasn't working how the devs intended or B) they dont fully understand or have experienced the change to make an educated opinion. While these people have the rights to their opinions, so do you. I think you should at least hang around for awhile and experience the changes before packing up and calling it quits. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mob mentality is easy to follow. Individuality is something that creates true inner fortitude and personality.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Aeg</DIV>

[Tilerae]

<DIV>The point I was trying to make by including my levels and plat was that these were hard earned and I was happy with my acheivement. I do not care that someone else is already level 50 and has 1000 plat. I am happy for them and not jealous. Evidently others do not share this opinion and must ask for changes to be put into place so that they can metaphorically compete with someone who places more time or effort into the game or is heaven fobid just better then they are. This has always been an issue due to players being immature. The real issue is now the developers are trying to accomidate them and if you put in more effort or are good at the game they will in my opinion attempt to squash you. </DIV>

[Vindicis]

<DIV>Um, so why do you keep posting, haven't you quit yet?  No one cares that you're quitting, so go.  I can PM you the link to cancel if you'd like it?</DIV>

[Lan_Taur]

<DIV>Just one clarification about interdependency.  While all tradeskill classes can now make their own subcomponents, the cost is higher than that of the same subcomponents made by the original class. So while you <EM>can</EM> make your own, it will still be cheaper to buy your components from other  tradeskillers (providing they aren't trying to be greedy).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's a pretty nifty solution to the issues with interdependency.  Continue to sell those intermediate items - you can still make a profit on them while charging less than the cost of creating them the new way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope this helps a little.  Cheers!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Lan_Tauren on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:13 PM</span>

[Bezado]

<DIV>Aegorian are you for real? SOE is taken the game and made it theres, it is not our game to play they make it as they wana see it. They have no intrest in making the community happy and dont ever do the necessary things. They are forcing you to take changes that shouldn't be made. You bought and played the game and the game at day one was good, there was no I can see the future and its bad for EQ2. Instead we played the game because it was fun, it already had established positions and now SOE is taking away what establishments the game has had. You cant say the community is making up this guys mind.  If you had any self preservation for being taken advantage of then you would realize what SOE is doing to its fan base on Eq series. To bad you cant see through the thick fog that is whaling over your head. </DIV>

[Bezado]

<DIV>Vindicis its guys or gals like you ( FANBOYS ) who turn my stomach. Your to immature to make any rational decisions by the looks of posts like this from others and you. Such as the post made by you of havn't you quit yet? Seems to me you are arrogant and like to be taken advantage of, this author proclaims nothing but the truth and its in my opinion of playing for 6yrs all EQ that he is right. You disagree because your immature and are prolly a teen who has the game bought by his Mom or Daddy and can't get another game because he spent 80 bucks on collectors tin set. To bad for you, don't make whines and arrogant remarks like your or anyone else for that matter who does this like your a [Removed for Content] with a torch.</DIV>

[Vindicis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bezado wrote:<BR> <DIV>Aegorian are you for real? SOE is taken the game and made it theres, it is not our game to play they make it as they wana see it. They have no intrest in making the community happy and dont ever do the necessary things. They are forcing you to take changes that shouldn't be made. You bought and played the game and the game at day one was good, there was no I can see the future and its bad for EQ2. Instead we played the game because it was fun, it already had established positions and now SOE is taking away what establishments the game has had. You cant say the community is making up this guys mind.  If you had any self preservation for being taken advantage of then you would realize what SOE is doing to its fan base on Eq series. To bad you cant see through the thick fog that is whaling over your head. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> LOL, so you can see through this "thick fog" can you, yet you still pay the monthly fee?  I'd say that makes you one dim fellow.

[Aegori]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bezado wrote:<BR> <DIV>Aegorian are you for real? SOE is taken the game and made it theres, it is not our game to play they make it as they wana see it. They have no intrest in making the community happy and dont ever do the necessary things. They are forcing you to take changes that shouldn't be made. You bought and played the game and the game at day one was good, there was no I can see the future and its bad for EQ2. Instead we played the game because it was fun, it already had established positions and now SOE is taking away what establishments the game has had. You cant say the community is making up this guys mind.  If you had any self preservation for being taken advantage of then you would realize what SOE is doing to its fan base on Eq series. To bad you cant see through the thick fog that is whaling over your head. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Quite for real, thank you for your concern. You and I have a differing perspective/opinion regarding these issues. I dont even pretend to know why SOE does what they do. Some of the things and they way they present them make sense to me. I dont try to read into them, i dont worry about them too much, and i play the game that i enjoy. Questioning that opinion of mine is basically a moot point because it's my judgement call to make, just as your pessimism is. If you have any game issues you'd like to discuss, bring em on. As for my opinion of the game and of SOE... you dont get to discuss that. </P> <P>-Aeg<BR></P>

[Vindicis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bezado wrote:<BR> <DIV>Vindicis its guys or gals like you ( FANBOYS ) who turn my stomach. Your to immature to make any rational decisions by the looks of posts like this from others and you. Such as the post made by you of havn't you quit yet? Seems to me you are arrogant and like to be taken advantage of, this author proclaims nothing but the truth and its in my opinion of playing for 6yrs all EQ that he is right. You disagree because your immature and are prolly a teen who has the game bought by his Mom or Daddy and can't get another game because he spent 80 bucks on collectors tin set. To bad for you, don't make whines and arrogant remarks like your or anyone else for that matter who does this like your a [Removed for Content] with a torch.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Reading your post gave me a headache.  Run it through a spell checker, add some punctuation, oh and have a purpose next time.  Let me know, then I'll figure out what the heck you just said, ok sport?

[Bezado]

<DIV>Im using zboard, dont got my original keysetup on, using the split 3 game one which is  crap for typing which im not concerned about spell punctuation just to get my point out. Glad I dont got the EQ2 keyset that would suck wasting more money on thsi game.</DIV>

[Joos]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vindicis wrote:<BR> <DIV>Um, so why do you keep posting, haven't you quit yet?  No one cares that you're quitting, so go.  I can PM you the link to cancel if you'd like it?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Speak for your self, he stated up front he has been playing EQ from day one, in my book he deserves respect and his voice should be heard!!!</P> <P>PS: I agree with everything he said!!!</P>

[Davilan]

<DIV>I think we all can agree that SOE does these things to find a way to keep the player in long enough so SOE can benefit from their fees. There is nothing wrong with that. But in that same sense they have to make it fun to keep people playing. Basically we are investors. We invest money to SOE to provide an entertaining game. Thats it. They can do whatever they want and will plot any way to make more money which is what every business does. But I personally think my investment has hit the toilet now after this patch, but at least I had fun before this happened. As for my characters, maybe if this game becomes fun for me again they will once again live in the world of Norrath. But until then, see ya SOE and Hello Blizzard!</DIV>

[aeio]

Actually this patch has a ton of excellent fixes, upgrades and improvements in it.If you can't deal with change, then you should not play MMOGs. They are by their very nature dedicated to ongoing change and evolution.Horses needed to be adjusted as they were trivializing danger. Anyone who feels ripped off is free to sell their horse back and get all their money back.I am an adventurer and I am not upset about the attunement change. In fact I think it is much better for the long-term of the game. The only adventurers I have seen upset with it are the one's who are short-sighted and can't see how this will impact the game, for the better, in the long-run. People complaining the can't sell their used equipment don't realize that if things went as they were, there was not only going to be no market for their used equipment, there was not going to be a market for their new equipment either.Crafters are upset about the new fuel cost? Yes the new dynamic actually pushes crafters into the game with the rest of us instead of off in some alcove cranking out items and selling them back to merchants or doing writs and racking up huge amounts of money. Can't really say I feel sorry for them.Being upset about the removal of interdependency means you don't fully understand the changes that took place. They did make it possible for people to make their own sub-items. BUT, it is still better getting them from others... Unless those others insist on charging unreasonable prices and extorting other crafters... Which is something that was relatively common before...Overall all those changes are good for the long-term viability and health of the game... Let us try not to be so myopic and self-focused and try to take in the big picture.

[aeio]

<blockquote><hr>Tilerae22 wrote:<DIV>The point I was trying to make by including my levels and plat was that these were hard earned and I was happy with my acheivement. I do not care that someone else is already level 50 and has 1000 plat. I am happy for them and not jealous. Evidently others do not share this opinion and must ask for changes to be put into place so that they can metaphorically compete with someone who places more time or effort into the game or is heaven fobid just better then they are. This has always been an issue due to players being immature. The real issue is now the developers are trying to accomidate them and if you put in more effort or are good at the game they will in my opinion attempt to squash you. </DIV><hr></blockquote>Funny, from my reading the last few days, if I had to judge the maturity level just going by the posts of people chiming in... I would swear that those in support of most of the changes are of a higher maturity level and understanding then those who oppose it... Of course that is a gross generalization, and we should not dabble in gross generalizations.