Awesome patch! Thanks for everything

[theplayer0670]

<DIV>Thanks Devs for listening to your player base and adding all this extra content, fixing the economy, and relaxing restrictions and taking care of the bugs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grat work in talking to us also</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i love this game!</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>/agrees</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/em *full curtesy to the devs*</DIV>

[IceMy]

they may listen to adventureers but I dont think any of the devs have played or even checked the tradeskiller fourms.... they took something that needed to be adjusted and turned it upside down... tradeskilling as a whole did not need to be fix that much, provisioning did... they used a shotgun to kill a fly... they punshied 99.5% of the community because .5% crated bots and made far too much money... granted they may have made it better for XPing but there are people that like to do other things other then XP, thats one of the things they said when they were deveolping this game.... you can either go out and kill things or make a tradeskiller... now I dont see how anyone can JUST tradeskill and want to play this game...../toss his last 2cp in the mix

[Miral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> theplayer0670 wrote:<BR> <DIV>, fixing the economy, <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>too little, too late, in my opinion. The economy is [Removed for Content]. All SOE is doing now is punishing those that didnt exploit the free money bugs in early game that should have been fixed with another month of beta. But no, they had to beat WoW to the shelves, and look where it got us?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only realy way to fix the economy is to wipe the servers after the next patch and give everyone 4-5 free months of play (depending on when next patch is that fine-tunes this one)</DIV> <P>just so you know, If I do leave, it won't be for WoW. this game has its problems, but WoW is just so.... not wow. If I leave it will be to wait for Guildwars to be released, with its sublcassing, real fighting,  and lack of subscription fees.</P><p>Message Edited by Miral on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:35 AM</span>

[IceMy]

i completely agree... i know i didnt exploit it... but im being punished... so forget it i enjoyed the game for the 4ish month its been out... but well this just doesnt make any sense to me

[Frogmizu]

I'm wondering how anyone can even make money at tradeskills. It costs money to make money, so you have to adventure to do tradeskills, otherwise you can't afford anything. The only way I've been able to make money, is to sell old items that I can't wear anymore. Now I can't even do that if I have to attune everything. How am I supposed to afford paying upkeep on my house, where I can sell things, or afford tradeskills?I'm having trouble understanding how making items attune-only helps....

[theplayer0670]

<DIV>There will be crafters who will be happy to take your money and make you lower level items. One of the neat things about the crafting system is that lower level items require fewer combines. They're easier to make. <BR><BR>Communicate. You'll find what you need</DIV>

[Slinkie]

<DIV>I have been watching the test server forums and dreading this patch for the past few weeks.  When the changes were brought to Test (I don't play there) a few weeks ago, I believed that I would feel compelled to leave the game when they went live.  I was not impressed at all with some of the changes that Sony planned to make in the game and believed that the changes would ruin the economy of the game, and would not allow me to continue to tradeskill at a minimum of a break-even rate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, I am very impressed that SOE listened to the players who were testing the patch and made several needed adjustments before taking it live.  This includes everything from lowering the (original) ridiculous prices for fuel to making items attuneable.  My understanding is that the original intent of this game is that EQ2 players are BOTH adventurers and artisans.  I believe that the changes that Sony has made will, in the long term, strengthen both the game and the economy within the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no idea if I will ever be able to make money at tradeskills.  I make more adventuring than I ever have with my level 26 provisioner and level 18 scholar (was going to be an alchemist, but now...?).  I believe that I will still find that food and drink are too much of a time sink to make more than what I do for myself and a close friend.  Although I would like to be able to make more for others, I do want to be both an adventurer and an artisan so that I can play the game in a balanced way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure where these big changes will take us.  I am hopeful, though, that they will lead to a longer-term enjoyable playing experience.</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<DIV>I might add that thanks to this patch we dont NEED ALTS to get along as crafters anymore so it should bring more *playing* time to each and everyone of us.</DIV>

[Dashofpepp]

<DIV>some ideas on making money...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SELL TO PLAYERS!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't craft 10 of everything you have and expect it to sell.  Go find people!  Find out what they want!  Make it for them!  Inspect people and look at their armor/weaponry/jewelry and tell them Hey! I can make such and such improvement over what you have for the great price of x!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geez...stop the complaining.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Retribution - Befallen</DIV>

[Jakoby]

<blockquote><hr>Dashofpepper wrote:<DIV>some ideas on making money...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>SELL TO PLAYERS!!!!!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Don't craft 10 of everything you have and expect it to sell. Go find people! Find out what they want! Make it for them! Inspect people and look at their armor/weaponry/jewelry and tell them Hey! I can make such and such improvement over what you have for the great price of x!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Geez...stop the complaining.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Retribution - Befallen</DIV><hr></blockquote>If commonly crafted items were comparable or better than common drops there might actaully be a market for them and your suggestion might be a viable alternative. Unfortunately, the vast majority common drops are far better than any of the commonly crafted items I, as a woodworker, can make for a player. Thus, there is little or no market for player made items other than the odd rare combine one might do. I stoppped bothering to make the commonly crafted items (shields, bows, staves, etc.) some time ago for this very reason. No one wants them.

[Dread Aul]

<DIV>I was lvl 22 woodworker, lvl 22 sage, and lvl 23 alchemist, now do to this patch im a lvl nothing crafter now, thanks alot SoE for your patch, musta been a patch from your eye, cuz your blind to what its doing to the moral of the game......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tradeskilling as a MAIN is DEAD!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Signoff</DIV> <DIV>Pisstoff Atyu</DIV> <DIV>Temple Street</DIV> <DIV>POd box 666</DIV> <DIV>Freeport Norrath</DIV> <DIV>c/o  Befallen server</DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <FONT color=#66ff66>Dread Aulot wrote:<BR></FONT> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff66>Tradeskilling as a MAIN is DEAD!!!</FONT></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have SUCH a hard time to decide if i should say *amen* to this or to the other half claiming that </P> <P><FONT color=#66ff66>"adventurers are outnerfed in favor of crafters"</FONT></P> <P>/em scratches his head</P> <P>/em sighs clearly disappointed</P> <P><BR></P>

[Quaan]

<DIV>Theplayer0670, I wish you put as much thought into your posts as your station handle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have to disagree, the patch sucks dog nuts and I cant believe the developers caved in to a vocal minority on so many minor issues when there are broken classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yay to the squeaky wheel player base, hope this patch makes the 3 hrs per week that you play that much more enjoyable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fix the broken content, this patch is reactive rubbish.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Salinge]

<DIV>/emote gets on the soapbox</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I got the answer!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We ban together and kill all the NPC merchants...</DIV> <DIV>We shun any PC attacking a mob known to drop armor or wpns...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only player made items and harvestables are in the economy...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WE TAKE <EM>THEIR</EM> WORLD FROM THE COMMIE PINKOS at SOE (not that there's anything wrong in being a commie pinko [gotta be careful I live in CA.]) and marvel at how unbridled capitalism can function...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hey SOE... Congress has been trying to legislate the perfect world for years and they still can't get it right.... Just let it be - stick to filling potholes so we don't fall off Norrath :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/emote gets off the soapbox and quickly darts into the shadows before a nerfarrow smacks em in da mouth.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Miral]

<DIV>The player base as a whole was nerfed. its not about balancing, or even about bug fixes anymore. its about making the game harder so that people take longer to get thru everythign and thereby pay monthly fee longer. Fortunately its backfiring and many people are leaving the game. Down with greedy corporations. Free Carlos.</DIV>

[iplasports]

<DIV><FONT size=5>You must be high on CRACK and not evercrack  to think that bull.</FONT></DIV>

[Razorlo]

<DIV>I am a lvl 27 sage...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love this patch you filthy greedy alchemist with your lame prices for ink.... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After not having crafted for 2 months i dinged twice today from lvl 25 to lvl 27.. FINALLY!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can make my own ink now...THANK GOD</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still believe that removing ALL dropped adept I books would fix a lot more. Make it so that a recipe drops which you can sell to a sage who can turn it into a adept I.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Same for great items, armor and weapons. I UBER sword falls... make it a damaged uber sword. And you need something a crafter makes to repair it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>well something.,.. do something with tradeskilling because it has so much potential</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dread Aulot wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was lvl 22 woodworker, lvl 22 sage, and lvl 23 alchemist, now do to this patch im a lvl nothing crafter now, thanks alot SoE for your patch, musta been a patch from your eye, cuz your blind to what its doing to the moral of the game......</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Looking at the professions you could be a very succesfull maker of runes and spells - and now you wouldnt even need to buy <FONT color=#66ffff>spikes</FONT> anymore...... but if you never intended to craft anything else than <FONT color=#66ff33>subs</FONT>=<FONT color=#66ff99><STRONG><FONT color=#66ff33>$$$MONEY$$$</FONT> <FONT color=#66ff99><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></STRONG></FONT>...... bad luck on your part I'd say :smileyvery-happy:<BR>

[Thicket Tundrabog]

I agree that it's an awesome patch.* I love the new con system.* I think the 15 minute buff time rocks. No more recasting some buffs every three minutes.* I can retire my alchemist and jeweler alts, because my tailor main can make sub-components that I need.* Haven't tried the new solo dungeons, but I'm looking forward to them.* I think attuning armor will help my finished product tailor sales.* I can make a pile of backpacks without constantly running to the bank and logging on alts.Thank you Sony.Thicket (Fanboy does a happy dance, grins and waves at the whiners)

[theplayer0670]

<DIV>This is indeed a great patch</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>those of you that are nagging cry babies can read the latest interview with Scott hartsman and see why Sony did what they did</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the rest of you that dont choose to read or do the research can keep complaining and swearing or simply leave</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=7760" target=_blank>http://eq2.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=7760</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Click that link above and be educated</DIV>