New update = not good for tradeskillers

[Jedi_al]

<DIV>This new update is not good for people who tradeskill, the main reason being SOE making the fuel cost to rise per tear.</DIV> <DIV>In doing this fuel cost can go up to 15s per piece of fuel, this update we make people make less money that they could make otherwise. In my opinion you should leave fuel alone so other tradeskill classes can make some money</DIV>

[r3zjim]

<DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV>

[Orwelli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> r3zjimbo wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P> <P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P> <P>Not good.</P>

[Suri]

<DIV>R3zjimbo, I hope your not on my server. I already make 200%-300% profit just selling at the current market price. Even with the increase in fuels prices I will still be selling at the same price and making a killing. The fuels costs are not that big a deal. Infact, they just lowered them. </DIV>

[aeio]

Why do you think higher level items should not cost more to make?

[Tim]

<DIV>Orwellian - actually it looks like in the next hour Bettman (NHL owners' rep) will announce that a deal is close to being worked out.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think adventurers and artisans won't be sending each other christmas cards very soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timmi</DIV>

[Orwelli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timmi wrote:<BR> <DIV>Orwellian - actually it looks like in the next hour Bettman (NHL owners' rep) will announce that a deal is close to being worked out.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think adventurers and artisans won't be sending each other christmas cards very soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timmi<BR> <HR>  </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Here's hoping. I miss my Av's. :smileysad:</P> <P>As far as the Artisan vs. Adventurer issues... it's frightening how similar the saga with the NHL has turned out:</P> <UL> <LI>Artisans saying they can't possibly afford to sell at lower prices...</LI> <LI>Adv's looking at the costs, and crying foul...</LI> <LI>Artisan's saying "tough luck"...</LI> <LI>Adv's calling for a strike against buying crafted goods...</LI></UL> <P>Art imitating life right before our eyes. :smileywink:</P>

[Bravnik]

<DIV>I think most tradeskillers are scum bucket price gougers anyway. Now that each class can make their own combines, I will pickup tradeskills for the stuff I need and not pay anyone for them. I will also sell at little over cost to drive down the prices on my server. This is a nice change. Now which tradeskill will I choose...hmmmm....</DIV>

[Shade]

<blockquote><hr>Orwellian wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>r3zjimbo wrote:<BR><DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P><P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P><P>Not good.</P><hr></blockquote>The sad part is that Armorers will now charge more because seriously, where are we going to go, Weaponsmiths are going to charge more because seriously, where are going to go, Spells and Combat arts will be more expensive because seriously, what other option do we have and of course Food and Drink will be very expensive from now on because again... WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE. Artisans are going to pump up the price on everything and adventurers are going to keep making the little coin they already do, put everything together and you have Norath ruled by the rich and the poor will just keep being poor. It's bad enough I have to deal being a poor student in real life, [Removed for Content] do I want to "play" one in a game ???

[aeio]

<blockquote><hr>Shadena wrote:<blockquote><hr>Orwellian wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>r3zjimbo wrote:<BR><DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P><P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P><P>Not good.</P><hr></blockquote>The sad part is that Armorers will now charge more because seriously, where are we going to go, Weaponsmiths are going to charge more because seriously, where are going to go, Spells and Combat arts will be more expensive because seriously, what other option do we have and of course Food and Drink will be very expensive from now on because again... WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE. Artisans are going to pump up the price on everything and adventurers are going to keep making the little coin they already do, put everything together and you have Norath ruled by the rich and the poor will just keep being poor. It's bad enough I have to deal being a poor student in real life, [Removed for Content] do I want to "play" one in a game ???<hr></blockquote>The same choice we have now, use loot acquired from hunting.

[Bravnik]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shadena wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orwellian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> r3zjimbo wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV> <DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P> <P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P> <P>Not good.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>The sad part is that Armorers will now charge more because seriously, where are we going to go, Weaponsmiths are going to charge more because seriously, where are going to go, Spells and Combat arts will be more expensive because seriously, what other option do we have and of course Food and Drink will be very expensive from now on because again... WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE. <BR><BR>Artisans are going to pump up the price on everything and adventurers are going to keep making the little coin they already do, put everything together and you have Norath ruled by the rich and the poor will just keep being poor. It's bad enough I have to deal being a poor student in real life, [Removed for Content] do I want to "play" one in a game ???<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Not really friend. Now that you can make all your combines yourself, anyone can be an artisian. Just pickup the tradeskill you use the most and make your own stuff. Then sell the left overs on the market at a little over cost. This will server 2 things. 1. You get your stuff for free. 2. You drive down the greedy prices on your server by selling at a little over cost. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lig]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orwellian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timmi wrote:<BR> <DIV>Orwellian - actually it looks like in the next hour Bettman (NHL owners' rep) will announce that a deal is close to being worked out.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think adventurers and artisans won't be sending each other christmas cards very soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timmi<BR> <HR>  </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Here's hoping. I miss my Av's. :smileysad:</P> <P>As far as the Artisan vs. Adventurer issues... it's frightening how similar the saga with the NHL has turned out:</P> <UL> <LI>Artisans saying they can't possibly afford to sell at lower prices...</LI> <LI>Adv's looking at the costs, and crying foul...</LI> <LI>Artisan's saying "tough luck"...</LI> <LI>Adv's calling for a strike against buying crafted goods...</LI></UL> <P>Art imitating life right before our eyes. :smileywink:</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>WOOHOO go Av's... Forsberg and Sacik are the best.</FONT></DIV>

[stfields]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timmi wrote:<BR> <DIV>Orwellian - actually it looks like in the next hour Bettman (NHL owners' rep) will announce that a deal is close to being worked out.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think adventurers and artisans won't be sending each other christmas cards very soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timmi</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Season canceled.

[Shade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bravnik wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shadena wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orwellian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> r3zjimbo wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV> <DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P> <P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P> <P>Not good.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>The sad part is that Armorers will now charge more because seriously, where are we going to go, Weaponsmiths are going to charge more because seriously, where are going to go, Spells and Combat arts will be more expensive because seriously, what other option do we have and of course Food and Drink will be very expensive from now on because again... WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE. <BR><BR>Artisans are going to pump up the price on everything and adventurers are going to keep making the little coin they already do, put everything together and you have Norath ruled by the rich and the poor will just keep being poor. It's bad enough I have to deal being a poor student in real life, [Removed for Content] do I want to "play" one in a game ???<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Not really friend. Now that you can make all your combines yourself, anyone can be an artisian. Just pickup the tradeskill you use the most and make your own stuff. Then sell the left overs on the market at a little over cost. This will server 2 things. 1. You get your stuff for free. 2. You drive down the greedy prices on your server by selling at a little over cost. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I would absolutely agree with you and hey, maybe this will in the end open doors for many players to do just that and if they enjoy themselves, great stuff. But for someone like me, who has to work a part time job and go to school, when I do play I'd like to do what I want to do, role play with friends, go about adventuring, heal groups. Tradeskills, as great as they may be for many other people, just are not my thing. </P> <P>So do I have to force myself to craft to enjoy the game or my class to it's fullest potential now ? Well that remains to be seen but it sure feels that way right now. </P> <P>That being said, if I had the time and the interest, I would most certainly take you up on your suggestion. <BR></P>

[Kwahn]

<DIV>People aren't going to start making stuff themselves.  They will still buy from crafters.  The ones that say "Now I can just pick up tradeskilling and make my own stuf" have no idea how many hours they are going to have to invest to get high enough skill to make quality items for their toons..</DIV>

[Headstone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shadena wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bravnik wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shadena wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orwellian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> r3zjimbo wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, in not so many words I personally dont like it. </DIV> <DIV>Whatever, im just gonna crank up my prices on figher skills 70-80%, Ill compensate for it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>The level of animosity between adventurers and artisans is rising fast...</P> <P>Mark my words, the NHL owners and player's union will be getting along better than we are soon.</P> <P>Not good.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>The sad part is that Armorers will now charge more because seriously, where are we going to go, Weaponsmiths are going to charge more because seriously, where are going to go, Spells and Combat arts will be more expensive because seriously, what other option do we have and of course Food and Drink will be very expensive from now on because again... WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE. <BR><BR>Artisans are going to pump up the price on everything and adventurers are going to keep making the little coin they already do, put everything together and you have Norath ruled by the rich and the poor will just keep being poor. It's bad enough I have to deal being a poor student in real life, [Removed for Content] do I want to "play" one in a game ???<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Not really friend. Now that you can make all your combines yourself, anyone can be an artisian. Just pickup the tradeskill you use the most and make your own stuff. Then sell the left overs on the market at a little over cost. This will server 2 things. 1. You get your stuff for free. 2. You drive down the greedy prices on your server by selling at a little over cost. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I would absolutely agree with you and hey, maybe this will in the end open doors for many players to do just that and if they enjoy themselves, great stuff. But for someone like me, who has to work a part time job and go to school, when I do play I'd like to do what I want to do, role play with friends, go about adventuring, heal groups. Tradeskills, as great as they may be for many other people, just are not my thing. </P> <P>So do I have to force myself to craft to enjoy the game or my class to it's fullest potential now ? Well that remains to be seen but it sure feels that way right now. </P> <P>That being said, if I had the time and the interest, I would most certainly take you up on your suggestion. <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>So I take it you would rather I force Myself to craft and take away My time from other aspects of the game and yet I should sell what I make to You for next to nothing? FORGET-ABOUT-IT It ain't going to happen</P> <P> I'm all for any and everyone taking up a tradeskill and making there own stuff. All the more power to you. But as it stands now it's not my job to slave away at tradeskills just to enhance your enjoyment of the game for little or no cost to you. If prices are too high then there is room for others to enter the market or you can make it your self but I for one price my stuff at market average and will not undercut people. It is due reward for the time I have invested into a aspect of the game. I also adventure and I can go and make 5gp alot faster off of drops from green group mobs then I can by doing tradeskill and I gain EXP at the same time. To make the most profit at TS I'm selling items that are grey to me but widely needed and thus bring a good dollar. I spend hours on Ink, Quills,Paper and Spells for T1 spells just to make a few gp, in that same time with the same character I could of got couple of Adept1 or Tradeskill volumes which in turn I would get 6 - 10 gold for. Higher level spells have a lower demand and are difficult  to do untill the next patch when I can make all my own componets.</P> <P> </P>

[Tim]

<DIV>Crap, spoke too soon.  6.5 mil apart on the salary cap.  Bettman = "No season."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timmi</DIV>

[jfo]

meh... spring-training starts next week with baseball. WoW isn't hockey but i'm sure i'll see the canucks play again too.