Armored Horses, what they supposed to look like.

[PontyEar]

<div>So, here is the armored horse from our beloved EQ2:</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/armhorse1.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>I will be honest, I never liked the look of it. And the worst thing is that LOTUS, or whoever is working on a new designs doesn't really give a jack about the awkward look of it and keeps "stamping" another "types" of the horses using this old, ugly design - nightmare as a good example.</div><div> </div><div>So I am gonna start with a little bit scientific approach here. At the first glance, tell me, is this armor really comfortable for a horse, would it give enough "freedom" for the action? Galloping, rearing up? And why does the armopred horse look like it is wearing a skirt? Maybe designer in SOE should do some research first and come up with something that really looks like a horse armor? I am not only giving you BS here, I am going to back my words up with some screenshots.</div><div> </div><div>As I already stated, this kind of armor that SOE offers us on our horse that costs us a fortune will limit possible horse maneuvers. As you can see from the couple screenshots below - CHEST PART OF THE ARMOR HAS TO BE HIGHER, OR EVEN OPEN FOR BOTH LEGS:</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/armhorse.jpg">  <img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/armhorse2.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>Now ask yourself, why chest part shouldn't be as low as it is on EQ2 horse? How in the world horse is going to really gallop with this low chest piece? How is it going to bend it's legs. Real horse while galloping needs much more room than that, and that's why chest piece is either placed higher on the horse's chest or is shaped the way to give more room for legs.</div><div> </div><div>What is gonna happen if EQ2 horse will rearup like this:</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/rearsup.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>What will happen is - the rear up of the EQ2 horse's armor will cut it's rear legs or will brake off and horse will end up in bloody puddle.</div><div>You can of course argue with me, maybe you like the way armor is on EQ2 horse, but it's fine, I state here only my personal opinion, because I don't like.</div><div> </div><div>Here is more screenshots for you of armored horses, the way they SHOULD look:</div><div> </div><div>Starting with render</div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/render1.jpg"> Compare to this  <img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/armhorse1.jpg"></div><div>it's simply UGLY.</div><div> </div><div>Now real screenshots from the games where developers took responsibility to research what and WHY armor on the horse supposed to look like:</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor.jpg"> <img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor1.jpg"></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor2.jpg"> <img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor3.jpg"></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor4.jpg">  <img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/goodarmor6.jpg"></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>There is no need in words. Screenshots are speaking on their own. And these are renders from real games.</div><div>So is it really a problem in EQ2 of a storage issues that devs were telling us about for monthes? Or maybe it's simply lack of creativity?</div><div> </div><div>In the least case maybe you have to tell LOTUS or again whoever is creating new designs to please do some research first, because your "new creations" aren't attractive at all.</div><div>I love EQ2, but I am ashamed that smaller game developing companies always come up with something really nice looking while SOE is "grinding their teeth".</div><div>Good luck with your new designs.</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://eq2guild.com/Pictures/Horsearmor/rearsup2.jpg"> </div><div> </div><div>/sarcasm on</div><div> </div><div>Imagine EQ2 armor on a horse that is rearing up like that... Oh wait, our horses in EQ2 don't rear up. Oops.</div><div> </div><div>/sarcasm off</div>

[dlsknight]

<div>very nice.  It is kewl nowing there are other people out there that somehow can think and pull information on how the armored horses should look.  The main reason why I still only have my lil Mustang and will not be upgrading until I can get the carpet.  Just do not think they have done a good enough job on the armored horses.  Thanks for the pics </div>

[Its Da Ranger]

<div>Those horses look awesome, what game are they from?</div>

[Kaberlyn]

<div></div>In my opinion all the models you posted look nice, including the EQ2 model. I would like to see less time spent on horse armor and more time spent on new PC armor models.

[J]

<font size="2">What game are those other horses from ? I like those horses alot better then eq2's </font><div></div>

[Rodahn]

Eh, those other renders are cool, but honestly, I have no problem with current EQ2 horses.  I think they look perfectly fine <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[jb-]

<div>The armor looks more like cloth than metal/armor on EQ2 horses.  Other than that I think they're fine.</div>

[Lumd]

<font color="#ccffff">If i'm not mistaken the other screenshots are from Dark Age of Camelot..And the OP does have a point IMO, the EQ2 horses armor looks crap,and even more when u compare em to the what? 4-5 year old grafix from DAoC <span><span>:smileysad:IMO they cud do with more creativity when it comes to designs and such.The new armor looks are going in the right direction, but it shudn't end there.Be real, how many different robe grafix are there for Casters? 6-8 different designs?The oh so known Keeper's Robe of Quissence now... it has the same grafix as the Tundra Walkers Robei had at level 45... Oh and the same as the what's it's name robe i had at level 27...They just change the colors a SLIGHT bit... as the Keeper's robe is one or 2 tints darker bluethan the Tundra Walker's one... /sigh...I really do hope they make some work of it soonish, so we can really make our characters different through armor looks.Right now i look exactly the same as the 5000 other Caster's with the Keeper's robe and GEB's on...Regards,</span></span></font><div></div>

[Galandou]

<div></div>Maybe you guys just cant understand how its like? They are ALWAYS working on the game, and when they get all of the big problems people are having fixed, then they will move on to the smaller things. Like the horses... And comparing another game to eq2, is just stupid, because that is a completley different world, and things in Norrath wont be the same as things in... W/e world that is... that idc about!! If you are going to bash EQ2 because of the horse looks, you need to think things over again, and know that devs take enough cr*p a day to fill americas bathrooms with. This post really doesn't help them much. Yeah, they get to know some other complaint, but most of all its pointless to post this here, because they are less likely to check these threads than any other thread. Please stop bashing EQ2, they will fix most problems, even though horse looks arent really a problem... but they CAN NOT make the game to everyones likes! I dont know if you thought about this for more than a few minutes, but there is more to a game than how a horse looks........

[Kaberlyn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Galandoulf wrote:<div></div>Maybe you guys just cant understand how its like? They are ALWAYS working on the game, and when they get all of the big problems people are having fixed, then they will move on to the smaller things. Like the horses... And comparing another game to eq2, is just stupid, because that is a completley different world, and things in Norrath wont be the same as things in... W/e world that is... that idc about!! If you are going to bash EQ2 because of the horse looks, you need to think things over again, and know that devs take enough cr*p a day to fill americas bathrooms with. This post really doesn't help them much. Yeah, they get to know some other complaint, but most of all its pointless to post this here, because they are less likely to check these threads than any other thread. Please stop bashing EQ2, they will fix most problems, even though horse looks arent really a problem... but they CAN NOT make the game to everyones likes! I dont know if you thought about this for more than a few minutes, but there is more to a game than how a horse looks........<hr></blockquote><p>The look and feel forums would be the better place for these types of posts. I don't really know if the devs would look here for this type of issue regarding in game graphics. </p><p>However, this thread isn't really bashing EQ2. It is a discussion on one persons opinion on the horse models. If you look at every single opinion as a bash of EQ2 you have an issue. If people do not express their likes and dislikes the devs won't have a clue as to what people want changed.</p><p>I am sure the op spent more then a few minutes thinking about the issue. Otherwise, he/she would not have taken the time to research the subject before presenting it to us. You may want to think about what you are saying for more then a few minutes. You sound intolerant of opinions that go against what you think is right.</p>

[PontyEar]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Galandoulf wrote:<div></div>Maybe you guys just cant understand how its like? They are ALWAYS working on the game, and when they get all of the big problems people are having fixed, then they will move on to the smaller things. Like the horses... And comparing another game to eq2, is just stupid, because that is a completley different world, and things in Norrath wont be the same as things in... W/e world that is... that idc about!! If you are going to bash EQ2 because of the horse looks, you need to think things over again, and know that devs take enough cr*p a day to fill americas bathrooms with. This post really doesn't help them much. Yeah, they get to know some other complaint, but most of all its pointless to post this here, because they are less likely to check these threads than any other thread. Please stop bashing EQ2, they will fix most problems, even though horse looks arent really a problem... but they CAN NOT make the game to everyones likes! I dont know if you thought about this for more than a few minutes, but there is more to a game than how a horse looks........<hr></blockquote><p>I understand your support. And I totally agree that we shouldnt bash EQ2, If you read carefully you will find out that I don't bash EQ2, I just give a nudge to the main designer who is responsible for creating deasign for our armor and whatever else. And I am not comparing other games with EQ2. As you noticed I've only gave an example of possible horse armor design from other game yes, but I haven't named it. At least I didn't name it. So I am purely concerned about the successfullnes of the game I love, which is EQ2. I am jelous yes, and a bit ashamed, and a little bit angry too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I don't wanna go and play any other game, but I always ponder to myself, why those cheapy, crapy games make such PERFECT design, or at least add some effort to what they do. Sometimes I think that due to such high standart graphics engine design in EQ2 loses a lot of details. If they will make things the way they are for example on those horses I showed they will probably have to simplify it a lot because of the intense graphics engine they use in EQ2. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I have a feeling of uncompletion, like something is lacking in everything we wear, wield or ride. Like it was made in a hurry, and rendered quickly in 3D. Created with necessary details to make thing look somewhat nice but just enough, not more.</p><p>I still use my mustang too, because other horses are simply ugly. As I said it's only my opinion. Buy a Nightmare only because it has some flame on it's legs and in the eyes, covered by this ugliest armor possible... Nah, thanks.. I wouldn't want to see that thing between my legs every day. And riding carpet for barbarian wearing heavy armor I think looks even weirder. So I'll stick to my Mustang at least untill SOE comes up with something that looks appropriate to higher level mount.</p><p>P.S. If you could only see all the horse designs they have, all the weapon designs... Doh! I love EQ2... only because it allows such a nice time spending with good friends and raiding. But you'd want me to speak about design side of EQ2... I really don't want to get myself started. Thanks for additions in KoS. It looks cool, really... Hope SOE will keep up a good work. Game is improving. It just takes monthes, and years <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p>Message Edited by PontyEar on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:38 PM</span></p>

[Age]

<div></div><p>I love EQ2 as well, but people from <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=84902">Gaming Age Forums</a> think "EQ2's art look like it was designed by amateur graphic artists. The models, the textures, everything."</p><p>I have trouble defending EQ2 graphics... because sometimes GAF is correct.  :smileysad:</p>

[jb-]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Agena wrote:<div></div><p>I love EQ2 as well, but people from <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=84902">Gaming Age Forums</a> think "EQ2's art look like it was designed by amateur graphic artists. The models, the textures, everything."</p><hr></blockquote><p>Some random person who plays World of Warcraft posted that on their forums...</p><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.ga-forum.com/member.php?s=287120ba88fe3fde2f2fe35964177958&u=937"><strong><font color="#002277">Pimpbaa</font></strong></a></div><div><div>Official Forum [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]er</div>(02-08-2006, 12:36 AM)</div><div> </div><div>Seems to be cool guy judging by his name and forum title though.  /yawn <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by jb- on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:00 PM</span></p>

[J]

<div><span><span><blockquote><hr>Agena wrote:<div></div><p>I love EQ2 as well, but people from <a href="http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=84902" target="_blank">Gaming Age Forums</a> think "EQ2's art look like it was designed by amateur graphic artists. The models, the textures, everything."</p><p>I have trouble defending EQ2 graphics... because sometimes GAF is correct.  :smileysad:</p><hr></blockquote>I totally agree, EQ2's art does most of the time look like it was designed by amateur graphic artists.</span></span></div>

[RandomAnonymousG]

<div></div><p>Good Job with the research! I'll agree it could look better. Especially after seeing those screenshots. I really like some of the looks in the lower shots, but at least they got the horses proportions correct for the most part. Unlike some of the other horse models they have in the game. I think they would do well to consider some of these criticisms and also modify some of the original horse models as well.</p>

[Cobalt Knight]

<div></div><p>Nice post :smileyhappy:</p><p>To be honest, playing as I do a Barbarian fighter, I never much cared for the new horse models introduced with DoF - they always looked too skinny to support my <ahem> "generous" frame. I bought one, mainly because of the extra stats, and tried it out for a week. Then promptly sold it and went back to my Rujarkian Clydesdale - looks so much better. I see the original horse models as proper "Warhorses" - the newer models are more like "Racehorses"</p><p>As a Paladin, I always wanted an armored horse, but as well as the skinny-leg factor, the armor on the new models looked more like cloth than proper armor. What I would love to see is some purchasable armor for the old horse models. Of course some nice plate-metal looking armor - but chain, leather and cloth options would be nice too. And if these were all player-crafted by armorers and tailors - would be extra nice :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Wargod1968]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Its Da Ranger wrote:<div>Those horses look awesome, what game are they from?</div><hr></blockquote><p>Dark Age of Camelot. They look in-game exactly the way they are shown above. DAOC makes very good use of their skins, and the proportions are very tight. I still play DAOC. I wish SOE would steal their art team <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>There are also some other DAOC steeds that are undead, on fire, made of ice, or stone...all very expensive, but very very good eye candy. And yes, you can have barding made for them. The DAOC steeds also get one or two saddlebags (storage slots), so there is some utility, too. Ridable steeds came out with the Catacombs expansion, before they they were fairly simply, and acted like EQ's griffin towers did (although they had a much more extensive route service).</p>

[PontyEar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cobalt Knight wrote:<div></div><p>Nice post :smileyhappy:</p><p>To be honest, playing as I do a Barbarian fighter, I never much cared for the new horse models introduced with DoF - they always looked too skinny to support my "generous" frame. I bought one, mainly because of the extra stats, and tried it out for a week. Then promptly sold it and went back to my Rujarkian Clydesdale - looks so much better. I see the original horse models as proper "Warhorses" - the newer models are more like "Racehorses"</p><p>As a Paladin, I always wanted an armored horse, but as well as the skinny-leg factor, the armor on the new models looked more like cloth than proper armor. What I would love to see is some purchasable armor for the old horse models. Of course some nice plate-metal looking armor - but chain, leather and cloth options would be nice too. And if these were all player-crafted by armorers and tailors - would be extra nice :smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote><p>Don't want to compare EQ2 to other games, but yes, in other games it is craftable. I agree it would be fun to have purchasable/craftable armor for horses of different "classes - cloth, leather, metal" in EQ2. Instead of paying 19pp for a horse, I'd rather spend money and chose armor that looked "right" on my horse.</p><p>Come on, SOE, accept this nudge and start working. KoS is nice. After you fix the bugs, change some proportions on existing horses with armor (skinny legs - tougher, very low armor line - higher (at least these 2 simple things)) and maybe let us chose ourselves what armor we want on our horse. Thanks.</p>

[Kokus]

<div>Those horses look absolutely amazing.  It's too bad EQ2's models are severely lacking in some places.</div>