Banking AA's what do you all think?

[Rian18]

<DIV>So I have 21 unspent AA points.   I  was trying to figure out which way to go down the Assassin tree, when it hit me.  I'm not going to spend any points.  Not one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our EOF AA's are so awful I can't justify spending any points at the moment.  Many people have already proven that you can spend 50 points in EOF AA's and gain a total of 30-40 DPS.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm planning on banking 50 AA points, and waiting till the next expansion (you know its coming its SOE).  When the next expansion Velious, Kunark, Odus or whatever it is comes out I'll have 50 banked AA points to spend on  the new tree.  The new tree can't possibly be any worse then what we currently have, and moreso with SOE's track record it'll probably be immensly powerful and make us far and away the best.  The day that expansion comes i'll sink my 50 points into it and pick up 500-1000 DPS on everyone else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Worse comes to worse they fix our tree and I spend the AA's.   Either way I win.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats a solid plan I think.</DIV>

[wazzaratio]

Ya sound like my plan too..

[UberC]

absolutly, nice idea, shame I already wasted 30 already... heh, ah well.<div></div>

[DresdenMalicaster]

<DIV>No, that's a horrible idea.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why would you even consider that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regardless of how bad the AAs are any boost to your character is a plus.</DIV>

[whytakemine]

I'm getting excessive bleeding since it actually is a good end line ability, and then probably put 5 in sprint since I absolutely hate traveling.  Might bank the rest though, and will respec the sprint ones when something better is available.

[CycoZ]

<P>Put 24 points into bleed line - half decent is the best way to describe it.</P> <P>Not gonna spend another point until we get something worth spending it on.</P> <P>That will probably be when t8 comes along.</P> <P> </P>

[Salat]

<P>Well, your thinking is kind of flawed.  We have an AA tree for predator, we have an AA tree for specific class.  What other path can they really add?  Perhaps a race path, but I wouldnt hold my breath on that.  Maybe a broader class like an all scout AA path, but then you'll be stuck putting AAs in abils that all the other scout classes also get.  So your 50 quick points will be nice, until they have 50 also again.  Or maybe they will just extend the paths already, and then you will just have to dump the points anyways into EoF AA's at some point.</P> <P>And while our AAs do suck, I do love the exacting one at 5 points for raiding.  Granted getting to exacting is alot of wasted points either way you go.  </P>

[Jayad]

I have no idea what to spend them on.  I have some just sitting there.  Who cares? heh.

[Mr. Dawki]

<P>i put mine into bleeding, and ive stopped there</P> <P>nothing else helps what our class is supposed to do....DPS</P> <P>so im playing my alts till something changes</P>

[Outerspace]

I guess improved Enmesh would be worth it<div></div>

[Salat]

<DIV>Mr. Dawkins I wouldnt say the there is no other abilities in our AA that doesnt effect our damage.  The exacting one at 5 really helps pn raids.  Frontload will still double the proc rate of caustic poison, Mark, our offensive stance, plus proc items like the collection quest ear ring, adornment proc on weapon, regular proc on weapon, heritage belt proc.</DIV>

[Mr. Dawki]

<P>yeah i tried frontload and the added dmg was minimal</P> <P>and to get exacting you have to burn points in other useless crud....like sprint /shudder</P> <P>in the end ive buffed all my dots (i skipped malig mark) got bleeders tallent (still have no clue if it works)</P> <P>and i got repeaded stabbing</P> <P>and buffed poison debuffs</P> <P>maby getting ca's off faster will help .....some.......i hope</P> <P>oh yeah</P> <P></P> <HR> - Assassin: Frontload: Modified prose to reflect that it only increases the trigger chances of the assassin's own abilities.<BR> <HR> <P>this means only poisons and our off stance, not weapons, if the proc does not show in our maintained buff list and we didnt put it there, it dont count</P> <P>frontload is pretly useless now</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Mr. Dawkins on <span class=date_text>12-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:05 AM</span>

[t0gar]

My plan:Take bleeding line with 3 into freezing instead of mark.Take enmesh, down to hemo, then to focus and exacting.Take sprint, down to honed, then to crippling.Put 5 into focus, exacting, honed, and hemo...if i find hemo is pointless that'll change...and 3 into the rest while putting whatever points i have left into crippling.Banking just isn't worth it IMO.<div></div>

[Salat]

<P>I read that on the update, but I thought it meant that it didnt affect apply poison or proc spells cast on us by other classes.  And that with item proc it would stay the same.  </P> <P>Yea I agree its tought to get exacting, but you can get it going frontload line.  But I am honestly playing around to see if I get more damage by not picking a second final ending line and just taking EB and then spreading the other points out.   Then I am going to respec to EB and Frotnload and parse it against the spread out AAs and se which give more damage.</P> <P>Spread out AA's will be Bleeding talents all at 5, exacting at 5, then going to put three in crippling, 1 in mastery strikes ((especially with that change coming up.  You'll only have a single spell for mastery strike.  And it will effect any mob that you have done a legend and lore book on.))  Horned Reflexes 5, and then try to get deadly focus one up also.  </P> <P>I really don know which will give more damage, that way or Frontload.  But considering casutic poison is a large percent of my raid damage, it should double that.  Be nice if we had it instead of hemotoxin in the line.  But oh well.</P>

[HellRaiserXX]

<P>it would be just like SOE to make it so you must have 100 points in the previous 2 trees to be able to put points in the new one lol. Why bank them? just use em for what little benefit you can then when next tier comes respec em all. Usually get a free respec anyway. And even if you are up to 10pp for a respec, Id pay 10pp if the new tier was really good and I could max everything out day one, unless once they are placed in a tree they must stay there which makes perfect sense. </P> <P>It wont double the % caustic does for your zonewide parse Salat because its only for 15sec.  Might add 1-2% to it tho.</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by HellRaiserXX on <SPAN class=date_text>12-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:45 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by HellRaiserXX on <span class=date_text>12-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:46 PM</span>

[Rian18]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salat wrote:<BR> <P>I read that on the update, but I thought it meant that it didnt affect apply poison or proc spells cast on us by other classes.  And that with item proc it would stay the same.  </P> <P>Yea I agree its tought to get exacting, but you can get it going frontload line.  But I am honestly playing around to see if I get more damage by not picking a second final ending line and just taking EB and then spreading the other points out.   Then I am going to respec to EB and Frotnload and parse it against the spread out AAs and se which give more damage.</P> <P>Spread out AA's will be Bleeding talents all at 5, exacting at 5, then going to put three in crippling, 1 in mastery strikes ((especially with that change coming up.  You'll only have a single spell for mastery strike.  And it will effect any mob that you have done a legend and lore book on.))  Horned Reflexes 5, and then try to get deadly focus one up also.  </P> <P>I really don know which will give more damage, that way or Frontload.  But considering casutic poison is a large percent of my raid damage, it should double that.  Be nice if we had it instead of hemotoxin in the line.  But oh well.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Salat, I think you are a little confused.  Frontload isn't a passive doubling of triggers.  Its an ability.  Its lasts for only 15 seconds.  So for 15 seconds, you have twice the chance to proc your poison or swipe.  Thats it.  It does not effect weapon procs, outside buffs etc etc.</P> <P>If you want to see how minimal the dps gain in frontload is, figure that during those 15 seconds you wind up proccing your poison 2 additional times and swipe 2 additional times (a bit excessive I know).  Now, think about how much total damage you gained from those 4 additional procs and divide that by the recast time of 300 seconds.</P> <P>What are you looking at? A 15 or 20 dps increase?  Wow.  If you add that to the roughly 40 dps increase that the bleed line gives you, you are looking at an increase of 60-70 total DPS from 50 points.</P> <P>That minimal an incrase at that many points will not even be noticeable.  Myself, I'd rather save the poitns and wait.</P> <P> </P>

[lordblackhea]

<DIV>yha with the Nerf of Gateway < the only good end AA in EoF > and the nerf of surveil my assassin feels wrothless and not wroth playing any more i have a total of 80 AA cant reset aa cus dudes not up . and even when dudes back i'm still screwed and now starting to hate EQ and all the things SoE does to us they fix cus then go oops when they see a class do any thing good . EQ giting pointless and with 4 count them 4 lvl 70s i have all i want now adays and quit this game and go play any thing even WoW cus at lest SoE not runing it like Vanguard and i'm sure as hell not going to sit there to git screwed again by them</DIV>

[whytakemine]

<div><blockquote><hr>lordblackheart wrote:<div>yha with the Nerf of Gateway < the only good end AA in EoF > and the nerf of surveil my assassin feels wrothless and not wroth playing any more i have a total of 80 AA cant reset aa cus dudes not up . and even when dudes back i'm still screwed and now starting to hate EQ and all the things SoE does to us they fix cus then go oops when they see a class do any thing good . EQ giting pointless and with 4 count them 4 lvl 70s i have all i want now adays and quit this game and go play any thing even WoW cus at lest SoE not runing it like Vanguard and i'm sure as hell not going to sit there to git screwed again by them</div><hr></blockquote>lol - reading that I just pictured Billy Bob Thornton (maybe his character in Slingblade?) sitting in a corner mumbling to himself.Over-exaggeration is not the way to make a point, and at least a little grammar and punctuation is your friend.  If it's working as intended excessive bleeding (not getaway), is our best end line ability.  It sucks they changed getaway, but nerfing surveil made you feel worthless?!?  Surveil was kind of a neat way to pull, but it just means you can't help lazy tanks anymore (yes I play a tank too, nothing wrong with being lazy on tough pulls).  Well alright, it kind of sucks having to actually clear to a few named now instead of pulling just them, but it's not like it's that time consuming to clear a couple extra groups.</div>

[Malaqai]

<div></div>I got mine in Bleeding line, for what little of a DPS boost I get from it.Some are thrown across the trees to squeeze out what litle I can get from them (Enmesh, Honed Reflexes, Deadly Focus...)... Rest is pretty much useless (though the Bleeding line itself is not really good either).Again, I cannot believe how little thought was put into this. Best example -Constriction... Get 10 secs of your reuse timer!! Doesn't matter it's a 20 sec reuse timer and 36 sec duration as it is.Horrible. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Malaqai on <span class=date_text>12-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:35 PM</span>

[HellRaiserXX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malaqai wrote:<BR> <BR>Again, I cannot believe how little thought was put into this. Best example -Constriction... Get 10 secs of your reuse timer!! Doesn't matter it's a 20 sec reuse timer and 36 sec duration as it is.<BR>Horrible. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <P>Message Edited by Malaqai on <SPAN class=date_text>12-24-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:35 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think this may have been meant to let you constrict several mobs at a time.  With the faster cast its easier to debuff whole grps.  Still I hardly consider my debuffs overly essential and its not like if I didnt use them we couldnt still kill stuff.

[Malaqai]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>About Constriction...Honestly, I dunno what would be more upsetting from SOE's side.A - that this was simply screwed up and overlooked orB - that they think a raiding assassin would TAB targets for his (ridiculous compared to other classes' debuff -512 miti at M1, 37ish defense? - not in game now, dunno for sure-) Constriction to land on several mobs and kill his DPS on the one mob he's suppose to be killing. (If it was an offensive debuff, I could actually live with that in raids, we often have our rogues throw some offensive debuffs on the nameds while we kill his adds etc....)I know what you're saying, Raina.... But to think that was their plan makes it almost worse lol. (and TBH, dunno what other concept they thought off... certainly not worth debuffing every mob in grp instances etc, stuff goes down so fast I hardly ever use it while grouping)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Malaqai on <span class="date_text">12-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:09 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Malaqai on <span class=date_text>12-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:10 AM</span>

[HellRaiserXX]

for sure it doesnt make any sense, thats why I didnt put any points into to it lol. That one should definately be changed to increases the attribute reduction.

[Mr. Dawki]

<DIV>No, that's a horrible idea.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why would you even consider that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regardless of how bad the AAs are any boost to your character is a plus. <HR> </DIV> <P>well i boosted all my dots</P> <P>our root breaks far too often to even want to increase the durration ,our silence is worthless as mobs are all auto attk dmg (play a coercer use spell lash and watch it never trigger), i dont use hemotoxin poisons, i dont use ignorant bliss poisons becasue they ditch maby 1/4 second of agro, as green mobs can kill you now theres no reason to buff a def stance , why would i want to buff sprint?,</P> <P>so dot buffs aside 3/4 of our aa's are not even worth spitting at</P>

[Jabbso]

<DIV>Hmmm, last night I dinged 49 achievements and started to consider what would be the best path for the assassins AA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After being completely bewildered by the whole thing I was ready to give up trying to understand the assassins tree. No matter I thought, after the excellent advice I received for the predator tree (4-4-4-8-8 STR and 5-4-4-8 INT for the win!) those brilliant assassins at SoE forums will have all the answers I need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I must say I'm extremely dismayed to see that the general consensus is that the AA's from 51 to 100 seem to be almost worthless. Usually in a thread like this the majority will argue that there is at least one line to put points in, but unfortunately this does not appear to be the case. If the benefit of spending AA's is to gain an extra 30 to 40 DPS then thats pitiful. I'm now at a complete loss at where to start allocating AA points (when I get them).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yours, a confused assassin /scratcheshead</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Jabbso on <span class=date_text>12-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:46 AM</span>

[HellRaiserXX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>well i boosted all my dots</DIV> <P>our root breaks far too often to even want to increase the durration ,our silence is worthless as mobs are all auto attk dmg (play a coercer use spell lash and watch it never trigger), i dont use hemotoxin poisons, i dont use ignorant bliss poisons becasue they ditch maby 1/4 second of agro, <FONT color=#ff9933>as green mobs can kill you now theres no reason to buff a def stance</FONT> , why would i want to buff sprint?,<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Who lets green mobs kill them? I can still solo 78 79^^^ stuff.  Tricks line helps immensely with that as well fyi and the improved def stance for soloing is godly. Improved root + Raincaller is a nasty combo as well.  If you dont solo then these are not going to be worth anything to you, but as far as the lines go, the tricks is obviously meant for solo and PvP stuff and it works very very well. 

[Malandrin]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>HellRaiserXX wrote:</P> <P>Who lets green mobs kill them? I can still solo 78 79^^^ stuff. </P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LOL, really? and where do you find 78+++ and 79+++? Please, save a clip for us.</DIV>

[t0gar]

78-79 heroics, impressive <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Jayad]

That's nothing, I can solo Naggy so you know Assassins are ok!

[HellRaiserXX]

haha, lol I totally didnt even notice that typo.  I kept reading your responses and was like [Removed for Content] are you guys talking about rofl.  68-69^^^ mobs* haha