Pierce skill vs. zone to-hit %

[Jayad]

<DIV>I've been focusing on upping this skill since seeing how bad our to-hit % is with EOF released.  After bumping it significantly, I'm just not seeing a lot of rewards in terms of better hits.   Why does the % barely go up when you increase the pierce skill by 10%?!  Anybody have any insight or comments on this?  What type of to-hit% are you seeing?  I'm seeing in the 73-74% range with 440+ skill.  The limit is 525 now?  Anybody gotten it to 500?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>p.s. anybody have some good items or suggestions in improving spell hits, like for the Mark? </DIV>

[Salat]

I wondered that myself, but was always told, "If your fighting orange con mobs, then you need it as high as possible.  If not, don't worry about it."  And I never really noticied a difference in dps besides on orange con mobs with it.

[Jayad]

Well, I'm interested in seeing what other raid assassins with high pierceing skill values are seeing in their zones.  Is it worth going from 440 to 460?  480? 500?  It influences adornments, gear, and all that.  Also if you are lower but could share some data it would be nice.  I'm usually buffed by the dirge & guardian in the MT group but the dirge isn't using their increaser.  (The guardian is)

[HellRaiserXX]

<P>it has to be pretty high before you start seeing significant results.  I know its the way to go tho and a lot of fabled gear with +pierce is really nice.  </P><p>Message Edited by HellRaiserXX on <span class=date_text>12-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:02 PM</span>

[Pins]

The cap is 455 now, not 525.

[Nathdorl]

im mostly having around 400 or 420 (we lack dirges)(with swindlers luck running) and cant complain about hit%ages at all, will reparse some of the last raids to get some numbers but last time i looked it was pretty descent and the monks/bers had lower tohit...

[Jayad]

<P>Ah you're right, I see the update note now (6.5 * level).  So 455 is the new cap. </P> <P>I haven't had a whole zone yet in the last 2 days at the same pierce skill level, but going between ~405 and 440 a bit has resulted in a 77.5% hit rate in the last 2 raids.</P>

[Graton]

let me start by saying that there are preliminary numbers and they are based on single group heroic content. however i did try very hard to control all variables. here's what i did.1. i fought only heroic mobs in mistmoore castle - most were lvl 72, some were 71, some were 73 to all yellow.2. it was a consistent 5 man group the whole time3. i was only using piercing weapons4. the only two values i parsed piercing wise were 416 & 4395. i controlled this by parsing with swindler's luck on - 439 vs off 4166. i looked only at auto attack hit %-age416 - 88%439 - 92%so about 1 % accuracy per 6 points of piercing skill in that range against heroic yellow mobs. i'd call that pretty significant. later i played around vs green mobs and piercing was more or less meaningless as my hit %-age was so high it was hard to see if any difference was being made.after the group broke up i went into defensive stance and fought the entrance mobs. i forget my exact pierce skill but my accuracy did not take much of a hit despite being significantly lower on the pierce mod. this leads me to believe that solo content is very different. this could also mean that my numbers won't hold up at all in a raid setting.

[Jayad]

It's interesting.  Thanks for the data.  If anybody else has more good data to add, it would be great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I know at ~440 I wasn't hitting 80%+ on epics, that's for sure. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[khufure]

Let's all try to record info on one zone with our % autoattack hit and skill level.  For example, lets say I hit 85% with 380 piercing on DT zone (made up number).  I think after 10 or so different data points we can come up with relevant data.<div></div>

[Jayad]

Sounds good..  It's important whether the zone has melee resist mobs (like the eye in Labs) or orange mobs, too.

[Kimira]

I sit at 437 solo, makes a big dif on everything including yellow cons on the zonewide <div></div>

[Jayad]

What's your to-hit on zone parses at the max?  If you can share.

[Nathdorl]

i got numbers from HoS:piercingskill was at ~420 (421 i guess)tohit was 87.4% (no2 concerning number of hits, 1st was an ele)

[Jayad]

On your auto-attack?  That's a lot higher than I've gotten with a similar amount.  Hmmm, interesting.

[Nathdorl]

err.. didn you just ask for zone-wide parses? that what my numbers are <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jayad]

Yeah sorry I just meant, is that % to-hit on your auto-attack only or including your CAs?

[Nathdorl]

including CAs, i checked hits vs. swings in ACT

[Jayad]

Can check just auto-attack?  (Just look under piercing damage in ACT)  The CA hit rate is a lot better than auto-attacks.

[Nathdorl]

71.6, but hos is a casterzone anyways :/<p>Message Edited by Nathdorl on <span class=date_text>12-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:56 AM</span>