Zone Wide Parse

[ElricChaos]

Just curious about something, i'm a lev 70 assassin with mostly master1 spells and decient equipment(dirk of negativity primary dragonfang secondary) what's your avarage zone wide parse in labs and lyc trying to find out where i fall as a whole  i posted a 1012.66 in labs and a 1045.66 in lyc <div></div>

[Nathdorl]

did labs on sunday... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] alzid still refused to drop nemesis legs... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]parser says 5'048'096 overall dmg by me, calculated down to 990dps because of multiple vyemm tries (he was kinda bugged... the raid was perma-stunned after incomming on every try.. canceled labs after 4th try with the same result......... evry mob except vyemm is totally ridiculous and vyemm unkillable... great zonefix...btw: silver medal concerning overall dmg went to a warlock with 3867147 overall dmg<p>Message Edited by Nathdorl on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:12 PM</span>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nathdorl wrote:<BR>did labs on sunday... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] alzid still refused to drop nemesis legs... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]<BR><BR>parser says 5'048'096 overall dmg by me, calculated down to 990dps because of multiple vyemm tries (he was kinda bugged... the raid was perma-stunned after incomming on every try.. canceled labs after 4th try with the same result......... evry mob except vyemm is totally ridiculous and vyemm unkillable... great zonefix...<BR><BR>btw: silver medal concerning overall dmg went to a warlock with 3867147 overall dmg <P>Message Edited by Nathdorl on <SPAN class=date_text>12-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:12 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>killed him sunday no prbs on any mob , cleared the zone without one wipe ? verymn was tricky but was easy enough to recover from

[Nathdorl]

like i said... toally impossible to us: he came down the stairs with alzid as usual.. he would eventually do his vertical on some tries and start chewing on the MT. next thing we heard was a kinda relaxed healer in voice "im stunned... stunned... still stunned... stunned...ok raid dead" one inquisitor with destun cant soloheal the mt it seems...

[mikemcmodmi]

I'm wondering how assassins usually parse too.  Is 1k zonewide the norm or is that low for some raiding assassins?

[Sirlutt]

it depends.Pre-OEF i would parse about 1500-1700 zone wide in labs, now I am about 1200-1300.. mainly i think due to the combat changes and the DR reduction on some weapons etc etc... i use GDoH and Absolution.Last night in DT i parsed about 1100 zone wide and another assassin was 1500 zone wide.. i need to go over the logs a bit and work out where his extra comes from.. i think its group makeup as I have just as good gear pretty much and probably more master spells.... i also think a bit of it is being in the MT group or not.. he gets to engage a little sooner, and harder than me being in the MT group.. i drop all my debuffs on first too and i know he goes for damage up front to load up the tank with hate.<div></div>

[K'aldar]

not sure when you did your labs run but on thurs night my guild two grouped it np.  killed every mob in the zone with 0 deaths, and in under two hours.  seems to me they made it ridulously easy now, because i'm pretty sure it wasn't meant for 2 groups.in any case my raid dps is usually around 1500 as an assassin with all kos fabled most masters, using GDoH and windrazor, both with dmg proc adornments on them.  my raid dps would be higher but more often than not we're fighting mobs we haven't killed before or are bugged so we have multiple failures etc.  my average single encounter fight is around 1900 dps now, with some nice spikes up to 3-4k depending on mob.  this is with 2 brigands and some very high dps in other classes in our raid.<div></div>

[ModPlod]

<DIV>the right group can give u 500 + dps without even trying if you are lucky enough to get the right classes with you</DIV>

[Recca[BK]]

you should be able to get near 1k, i was fighting naked in DT for fun all i had was foreman shank and grizzfazel dirk(two crappiest weapons i had on me). i was still doing 900 dps with no problem. the eyes did get me though i just cant take the AE naked like i used to.

[K'aldar]

yeah 1k shouldn't be a problem.. i can get 650-800 just on normal autoattack, and my group setups usually aren't the best.  <div></div>

[whytakemine]

Personally I think it's dependant on too many things to say what an average should be, but before the server crashed a few minutes ago I was doing 1.4k zonewide in DT.  Lyceum on Wed was 1.2k zonewide.  That's extDPS.  I've got almost all masters with a sprinkling of adept 3's, my gear is kind of shabby though (lots of treasured items still).  <div></div>

[whytakemine]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>K'aldar wrote:yeah 1k shouldn't be a problem.. i can get 650-800 just on normal autoattack, and my group setups usually aren't the best.  <div></div><hr></blockquote>What are you including in that?  I just looked at a random DT fight (Yitzik actually), and I did ~350 with autoattack.  Mastercrafted caustic poison added 100dps.  Swipe (I think that's the proc we get from our offensive stance right?) added another 30dps.  If you're doing that much autoattacking, I've got to be missing something big.  For group buffs I had troub and inquisitor.  Edit:  Bizarre - I just looked at a couple of group fights, and the numbers were very different on group fights.  Autoattack itself was more like 400dps, caustic was doing 150-200dps, and swipe was anywhere from 25dps to 400dps(!).  So that's much closer to the numbers you're posting.  Throw in some better weapons, proc adornments, and/or haste buffs and I bet it would make up the difference.</div><p>Message Edited by whytakemine on <span class=date_text>12-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:31 PM</span>

[K'aldar]

well when i last tried that i was using GDoH and windrazor(w/out adornments), adept III offense stance, Mastercrafted Caustic.   when i say i'm not usually in the best groups i mean i usually have one class that really buffs me.. a zerker, a fury, or a dirge.  this particular time i think it was a fury,  with agitate and vim on me.  one of the bigger differences between me and you are probably that we always have at least 2 brigands on a raid, sometimes more but never less than two.<div></div>

[Skratttt]

Yitzik is a BAD example for auto atack dps being he is a brawler mob......deflect deflect deflect FTL <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Computer MAn]

Haven't bothered to do a zone wide parse of the new zones yet as we are still learning some of them so my DPS goes down but on trash I usually hit 1800+. I'll get a zone wide when we do DT tonight and post it.<div></div>

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>whytakemine wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>K'aldar wrote:yeah 1k shouldn't be a problem.. i can get 650-800 just on normal autoattack, and my group setups usually aren't the best.  <div></div><hr></blockquote>What are you including in that?  I just looked at a random DT fight (Yitzik actually), and I did ~350 with autoattack.  Mastercrafted caustic poison added 100dps.  Swipe (I think that's the proc we get from our offensive stance right?) added another 30dps.  If you're doing that much autoattacking, I've got to be missing something big.  For group buffs I had troub and inquisitor.  Edit:  Bizarre - I just looked at a couple of group fights, and the numbers were very different on group fights.  Autoattack itself was more like 400dps, caustic was doing 150-200dps, and swipe was anywhere from 25dps to 400dps(!).  So that's much closer to the numbers you're posting.  Throw in some better weapons, proc adornments, and/or haste buffs and I bet it would make up the difference.</div><p>Message Edited by whytakemine on <span class="date_text">12-10-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:31 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Your weapons definately make a difference.  Auto attack only in DT on just trash mobs (the eyes and worms and the like) i was doing 750-1100 without touching a CA... about 1800 ish with CA's and upwards of 2000 occasionally when my big hits were up and i waited for dispatch etc.The key is weapons, and haste.... earlier in the night I didnt have an illusionist or zerker.. i was doing about 400-600 auto attack.. the fury+illusionist+zerker gives me about 160% haste at times.. with just the monk and fury i was at 22 normal and about 100% when stuff proc'd.  Haste is king for us, my GdoH is a verifiable death machine when my haste is maxed.</div>

[Graton]

we're still learning the new zones. for inner sanctum i parsed 1600 zone-wide up to the point where we got to the first mob we're still learning. i'll check freethinkers out when we do that later this week.<div></div>

[khufure]

<div><blockquote><hr>mikemcmodmike wrote:<div></div>I'm wondering how assassins usually parse too.  Is 1k zonewide the norm or is that low for some raiding assassins?<hr></blockquote>An assassin with optimal buffs, equipment, and debuffs and doesn't have to joust will crush 1k zone.  If some of these are missing and if the rest of the raid sucks an assassin doing a great job might only do 1k zone.  Typically this kind of situation is easy to spot because 1-2 people are doing 20% more than the rest of the dps.  There are a lot of variables.</div>

[Criesi]

Following the recent updates and drop in parse/DPS, are Assassins still considered T1 DPS like we were meant to be or have we dropped down to T2/T3.  I started my Assassin after EoF so dont know what they were like DPS wise before it.

[Outerspace]

Assassin is still T1 DPS. For example, I can do 1600+ DPS on a single KoS target with no brigand in the raid and no Decapitate. I think that's pretty respectable considering my equipment is most definitely not full fabled. If you're chain pulling trash you might get lower parses on some mobs due to recast timers. On the whole, zone parses depend on a lot of things not just the activity of the assassin.From the posts I have seen here, most assassins are doing the same thing in raids. Open with cloaked, get the debuffs on, exacting, dots, finishing blow, stealth combo, etc.A few other things that can affect your parse are:1. STR and INT2. DPS mod3. Group buffs, procs and stuff like Cacophony of Blades4. Good positioning and aggro control by your MT group (chasing after mobs peeled by wizlock = bad parse)5. Decent weapons with a high min:max damage ratio for large crits6. AA spec: STR and INT7. The amount of brigands in the raid - this is probably the most significant factor in overall DPS and can change it drastically8. The poisons you use. Should always be Grandmaster, but there is debate on whether Caustic is better than Hemo with full pts in the Hemo AA line.9. High overall raid DPS = faster fights = better zone parseMostly obvious I guess. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Jayad]

<P>I think the Assassins have lost some ground in DPS, but we're still in the top tier.  Both our best guild Ranger, Wizard, and Warlock have all been gaining ground with their AA additions over 50.   I feel like I'm treading water if I'm lucky. </P> <P>I haven't gotten any very good EOF gear, though, so we'll have to wait til that stuff starts rolling in to tell.</P>

[judged_one]

I don't know but this is my observation.Wizard and Necro are hitting 3k+ on solo Swashy can do 3k on group.Havent check zoneparse lately since I have been playing a lot of warden.In a good group I can do about 2k on solo, 1.5k on group, but I doubt I can consistenly do 3k+ If eveything is up and on a good run I can hit 3k on solo. But it just just too easy for wizard to hit 1 button and do 3k, almost make it a mockery to try anymore. At least necro might die, but it is still pathetic when I have to chain like 4-5 combo, make sure I do eveything right, and in the perfect position to hit 3k, while even an app wizard with half junk gears are hitting 3k with Manaburn. Also Ranger with good bow are doing a ton of damage too with their AA.All in all I don't think my AA increase my dps by more than 100. While it is pushing some class DPS by upward of 5-600.Well sure make this game lame.

[Kimira]

Who cares if you're on top in a certain encounter and not on the next? zonewides is what counts and 99% of the time im in the top 3 for zonewides, the only way a manaburn wiz could beat me is i guess if we paused before every pull or something. Big whoop he can get 4k on an encounter and be SOL in the next when i can maintain a constant 2k or so. <div></div>