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Mordai12
12-03-2006, 01:09 AM
<DIV><IMG src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/meisisiem/spells.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Does anyone know if these two would stack? I am wondering if I should take Perfectionist first so that my big backstabs are already halved when I take Repeated Stabbing. Hopefully getting a 3.25 minute recast on Assassinate instead of the normal 15 min or even the halved 7.5 min :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

Sirlutt
12-03-2006, 02:01 AM
recast != recoverytotally diff things.. recast is how long until you can cast that CA again, recovery is how long until you can hit your next CA of any kind.Recast is 10 mins.Recovery is like 0.5-1second<div></div>

Mr. Dawki
12-03-2006, 02:08 AM
<P>recovery speed is not the same as recast time</P> <P>recovery is that .5 second that you are stifled after using a skill</P> <P>reuse timmer is the time that you have to wait before you can use that skill again</P> <P>atm they dont show recovery timers on skills anymore because its .5 seconds for everything</P> <P>if you get repeated stabbing it will be shown as .25 seconds</P>

Mordai12
12-03-2006, 06:52 AM
Ah, i was completely misreading them... thanks for pointing it out guys.

Computer MAn
12-03-2006, 08:27 AM
<div><blockquote><hr>Mordai12 wrote:<div></div> <div>Does anyone know if these two would stack? I am wondering if I should take Perfectionist first so that my big backstabs are already halved when I take Repeated Stabbing. Hopefully getting a 3.25 minute recast on Assassinate instead of the normal 15 min or even the halved 7.5 min :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr></blockquote>Also 50% does not equal one half. Getting perfectionist puts decap on a 10 minute timer. It would need to be 100% for a 7.5 minute decap. There is also a cap at 100% so decap will never go lower than 7.5 mins.</div>

Hadanelith
12-04-2006, 07:03 AM
<P>The benefit provided from Repeated Stabbings is marginal at best... you can already exhaust your repertoire of CA's without a lot of effort.</P> <P>If you happen to get the 20 points in Tricks anyway, which I can only see happening if you're a solo/group player (many of the benefits of Tricks AA's don't apply to raid mobs, such as increased stifle time, etc), then it's probably worth the 1 point because over the duration of a long battle, that time IS going to add up...</P> <P>... however, that end-liner is by no means a justification for spending 20 points in Tricks. Not at all.</P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski of Kithicor</P>

NightSDtrider
02-22-2008, 10:59 AM
<cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><blockquote><hr />Mordai12 wrote:<div></div> <div>Does anyone know if these two would stack? I am wondering if I should take Perfectionist first so that my big backstabs are already halved when I take Repeated Stabbing. Hopefully getting a 3.25 minute recast on Assassinate instead of the normal 15 min or even the halved 7.5 min :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr /></blockquote>Also 50% does not equal one half. Getting perfectionist puts decap on a 10 minute timer. It would need to be 100% for a 7.5 minute decap. There is also a cap at 100% so decap will never go lower than 7.5 mins.</div></blockquote>Why is this the case in this game btw? I mean surely reducing something by 50% is halving it.Is it because it increases the skill associated with the time rather than the time itself or what? For example with recast time reductions rather than directly reducing the recast time it increases the reuse speed skill, which then has a different effect on the actual recast times?If thats the case, anyone know a decent explanation of how % increases to speeds like that actually affect you?

Almanac
02-23-2008, 01:11 AM
<cite>NightSDtrider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Computer MAn wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><blockquote><hr />Mordai12 wrote:<div></div><div>Does anyone know if these two would stack? I am wondering if I should take Perfectionist first so that my big backstabs are already halved when I take Repeated Stabbing. Hopefully getting a 3.25 minute recast on Assassinate instead of the normal 15 min or even the halved 7.5 min :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr /></blockquote>Also 50% does not equal one half. Getting perfectionist puts decap on a 10 minute timer. It would need to be 100% for a 7.5 minute decap. There is also a cap at 100% so decap will never go lower than 7.5 mins.</div></blockquote>Why is this the case in this game btw? I mean surely reducing something by 50% is halving it.Is it because it increases the skill associated with the time rather than the time itself or what? For example with recast time reductions rather than directly reducing the recast time it increases the reuse speed skill, which then has a different effect on the actual recast times?If thats the case, anyone know a decent explanation of how % increases to speeds like that actually affect you?</blockquote>I just posted this in another thread, but I'll add it here as well.  Regarding Perfectionist, the skill is working correctly, the description is just awkwardly worded.  The exact wording is "Attack-based combat arts on long reuse timers have their reuse times sped up by 50% and damage increased by 15%."  The key here is that the reuse times are sped up by 50%.  This is a little hard to explain so I'll try to give an example.  Say you had a spell that normally refreshes in 15 minutes.  Now if you sped up the reuse time by 100%, then the reuse timer would be going twice as fast as normal, and the spell would refresh in 1/2 the time, which comes out to (15/2 = ) 7.5 minutes.  Now this achievement is actually only increasing the reuse time by 50%, so the reuse timer is only going 1.5 times as fast as normal, and the spell thus refreshes in 1/1.5 of the time, which comes out to (15/1.5 = ) 10 minutes.  Hopefully this helps explain the situation.