Assassin AA Getaway

[Fahrenheig]

<div></div>Has anyone messed around with Getaway yet?Want to know if it prevents AoE for the entire 30sec even if you break the invis by attacking but you were not hit to trigger the getaway teleport proc.<div></div>

[Computer MAn]

<div></div>Its a 30 second AE immunity that counts as a stealth and allows you to auto attack. The stealth / immunity stays up until you get hit./puts on flame suit for the angry Brigands.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <span class=date_text>11-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:30 AM</span>

[Reymien]

but can you break the stealth and still keep the aoe immunity for the 30s?  I assume if you break the stealth, the aoe immunity goes away with it.<div></div>

[Computer MAn]

<div><blockquote><hr>Reymien wrote:but can you break the stealth and still keep the aoe immunity for the 30s?  I assume if you break the stealth, the aoe immunity goes away with it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You can end the stealth whenever you want but it will end your AE immunity. Although I don't know why you would want to as you can do everything you could do out of stealth + being able to use our stealth attacks.</div>

[Nathdorl]

you mean this does work like concealment? coz the descript doesn say so...

[Computer MAn]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Nathdorl wrote:you mean this does work like concealment? coz the descript doesn say so...<hr></blockquote>Kind of like concealment but basically what happens is you.Cast Getaway (Gain AE immunity)You get put into stealth but can continue to use attacks and auto attack as normal.It also counts as a stealth so you can use Killing Blade, Evis, Jugular etc.You continue to attack and auto attack for 30 seconds during this time you are still in stealth and AE immune.So to shorten that up it essentially is a supercharged stealth that allows auto attack, normal attacks, stealth attacks and gives AE immunity</div><p>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <span class=date_text>11-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 AM</span>

[Nathdorl]

wow alright then it seems to be usefull, will try that instead of stabbing as my 2nd line

[Fahrenheig]

Thx for the replies and for the expanation Cochy,    Yea this is a really powerful skill according to his explanation and will be my second choice rather then frontload.  Especially since it is on a 1min 30sec recast.  So my understanding is the only way to break the stealth on accident would be something stupid like manastone?<div></div>

[Nathdorl]

or gettin aggro <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Computer MAn]

Will have to test it when I get home but from what I remember manastone doesn't actually break it.<div></div>

[Reymien]

have people actually confirmed it works that way?  or people just guessing?30 seconds of full stealth while being able to attack (all while not worrying about AEs) seems too good to be true<div></div>

[Computer MAn]

I have confirmed it as I have the AA.<div></div>

[PIexor]

Any DS on the mob also breaks it, bad bad matron!

[Hadanelith]

<P>Don't expect this to last.</P> <P>This ability's description clearly describes it as a mode of avoiding AoEs, and possibly to assist in running away from things. The fact that Stealth sticks through attacks is clearly a bug to be remedied in the near future.</P> <P>I mean c'mon, the name of the spell is Getaway... not Stabaway.</P> <P> </P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski of Kithicor</P>

[Recca[BK]]

why wouldnt it stay as it is now. you "getaway" from the aoe. what would be the point of having a 30 sec aoe immune where we could do nothing.the discription also implies we can do anything while its up."any attack on the assassin will break the stealth." that means useing CAs will not break it so we are good there. it is a stealth so we can use killing blade and such. as for it breaking on a dmg shield, i have been using it to duel lately just to mess around. i dueled a SK several times and his dmg shield and reactive DS didnt not break it.

[steelbadger]

oooooh man.  I am definitely getting that there AA. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Kaiser Sigma]

<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Countdown for nerf, </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=15946" target=_blank><FONT face=Verdana size=2>started</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>...</FONT></DIV>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaiser Sigma wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Countdown for nerf, </FONT><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=34&message.id=15946" target=_blank><FONT face=Verdana size=2>started</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>...</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I dont want getaway nurfed or changed in anyway , what i do want is the brigand Amazing Reflexes to perform exactly the same as getaway i mean come on its even got a brigandish name !! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kel]

I doubt it's going to get nerfed, as it was boosted to where it is currently because it was a PoS ability previously. I suppose you never really know with SoE, though. <div></div>

[Arda]

So whining started then. A bit overdue, wasn't it? <span>:smileytongue:</span>I do hope getaway stays as it is, I haven't got it yet but I'm really looking forward to using it. <div></div>

[Diapause]

<P>I think that spells like these are bound to hit the nerf bat sooner rather than later. While th Brigand AoE immunity got nerf'd to oblivion, it was well overdue since the previous version of the skill was overpowering. To the extent that it got nerfed is highly unwarranted in light of skills like Getaway you guys have received which seem extremely viable.</P> <P>I believe all scouts can use a form of a short duration AoE immunity buff and they should make that a core skill and not an Ancient teaching for one and an AA for another. Add it to our offensive stances is a start or as an addon effect to sneak, whatever the case, it needs to be addressed.</P> <P>Septro - Lvl70 Brigand</P>

[Kingphillywilly]

<DIV>who cares about the aoe immune part of this skill, it just makes 30seconds of each 1.5min more relaxing, i'd take this skill for the rest of its benefit</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>amazing reflexes has been nerfed... so what... if brigands didnt spend all their time moaning about everything, maybe a healer would throw them the occasional heal when the infrequent aoe hits them</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Omido]

You'll hear brigands talk about this AA b/c its a slightly watered down version of what our AR used to be.. while what we have now is just a remnant. I dont mind if any other class gets an AE avoid ability.. but for crying out loud.. dont insult our class by making an AA better than one of our CA's.<div></div>

[t0gar]

/sarcasm Assassins get a 33% of the time AoE blocker, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!!! /sarcasm Brigands had a whole expansion with AR while the other scouts had healers and jousting... no right to complain IMO. We've still gatta do what you do, just not as often. Not that i'm at all apose to brig's having a better AoE avoider, but it just doesn't seem right to me that every brig whines about it.(you're better than most Walebro, this isn't directed toward you alone) And are AoE's really that bad? Just get used to the timers on nameds and you should be living through trash AoE's np. No AoE blocker isn't the end of your class. <div></div>

[Diapause]

<P>Everything looks so rosy when you live within your own bubble. The friendliest word you'll ever hear on a raid is "Dispatched!". I can just see those beady little Assassin eyes water up for guessing just how big Decapitate will hit this time after the debuff is called. There is no class envy here trust me, I enjoy my Brigand immensely, but to not see that the Amazing Reflexes nerf hurts Assassins as well as every other DPS toon as well is mightily short-sided.</P> <P>A 5-sec duration proc off of CA's only for 28% chance is laughable, while your 30sec immunity w/ stealth is actually workable as evident from all the Assassins giddy over Getaway's potential. What we're asking for isn't a nerf to Getaway, it is rather for an obvious recognition that our CA should be on par or exceed another class' AA skill. It isn't that the AEs are impossible, but if AoE immunity is going to be given out at all, then it needs to be reasonable or just scrap the idea altogether..</P> <P>I mean would you rather I put 20-something points into the Brig AA tree so I can extend this crappy CA even more or have the Dev's fix it to begin with so I can put those points into enhancing Dispatch to make you eyes go all aglow again?</P> <P>Septro - Lvl 70 Brigand</P> <P>DISPATCH!!!</P>

[Jayad]

It's nothing like AR was.  AR was permanent.  It makes too much sense so no doubt it will get nerfed.

[AratornCalahn]

I dont see many brigands really asking for AR back the way it was, just something useful. As for getaway, it sounds like a really nice skill and I hope SOE dosnt do a 'brigand' on you. My problem is that our CLASS skill is much inferior to various peoples AAs atm. Thats just insulting. Theres no envy here, I just want something useful. <div></div>

[Computer MAn]

<div></div>Personally I think the ability to cast all our stealth attacks make this spell almost too powerful. I personally would sacrifice the AE immunity or reduce the duration and the skill would still be pretty decent just for the ability to have a 2nd concealment as we all have experienced lag and had concealement wasted.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Computer MAn wrote:<BR> Personally I think the ability to cast all our stealth attacks make this spell almost too powerful. I personally would sacrifice the AE immunity or reduce the duration and the skill would still be pretty decent just for the ability to have a 2nd concealment as we all have experienced lag and had concealement wasted.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <SPAN class=date_text>12-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>hell i have no prbs an assassin getting this ability it makes sence for all scouts to get a sort of get out of jail card (we are scouts after all!) the ability is cool just wish we could say the same about craptastic reflexes <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Jayad]

<DIV>AR needs to be a temp buff rather than a proc.  Or something.  It's useless as a proc.</DIV>

[t0gar]

well if you bothered to even read my post... you'd realize i SUPPORTED a better AoE blocker for you Brigs(if i didn't state that then i musta been too tired when i wrote it). I can live without brigs, most raids I dont have one and i still hit for 29k with decap, so you can quit considering yourself godly. Yes you bring debuffs, yes I definately want your class there, and yes you guys deserve an AoE blocker just as much as everyone else, but no need to go whining because I told you to get over it... You've had one for a while while everyone else had to adjust themselves. I could care less if you still had it, or that i didn't have one before, but you just need to work a little harder this time around.  Betraying from a ranger to an assassin i had to adjust to getting hit by AoE's more often, but somehow, like so many others, i managed. <div></div>

[PIexor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <P>p.p.s you get a 33 % of the time avoidance blocked and we get a 25% random proc for 5 secs ? do the math and see which is better ....(and ill let you know it procs about 3 times every 2 mins so yes its uber right ?)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It is 25% not 33% 30s ae immune 90s recast so every 120s you are immune 30s and that is 25% of the time since 30/120 = 25%

[judged_one]

I totally disagree about gateway being too powerful...Look at what some of the classes are getting for their AA.Swashy - Reach + 5m to Max CA range means they can do CA while avoiding close range CA. - Inspiration, their most powerful temp buff is not 1.5 min timerNecro - The famous LifeburnWizard - Mana burn 5 min 30 sec immunity to do more damage to a mob than decapitate. So assassin doesnt have the most powerful CA anymore. Sure they use all their power, but with a good drink and a regen most player gets full power with in 20 ticks)(ooc) And any smart Wizard will just do minor nuke till like 10% before they drop the bomb.So they get regen after combat. So even if they pull aggro the mob is dead anyways.Shaman - Lose a bot of health, gain a lot of power, anyone?Dirge - Increase proc by 25%, hmmm 16sec(?) CoB And I also disagree with making it another concealment. As it is I can use concealment almost every encounter. and we don't have enough backstab to support 2 concealments. Unless it comes with a damage mod, so it is like a concealment with like 40% to all our backstab damage.BTW with 2 wizards alternating Manaburn, and 1 necro using lifeburn it means we hardly parse 1st anymore. You can't beat a 50k nuke on a 1 min fight. To be more precise in one fight I did 2700, while the necro was doing 2800 and the wizard did 3k with manburn. : ( O well, it was fun with these high 20k decap and people going wow. But now I hardly ever see my decap on high hit anymore on parser. : (That being said, I do like gateway as it is. It makes me feel like a brigand for 30 sec.Anyone wiped a raid yet with blink?<p>Message Edited by judged_one on <span class=date_text>12-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:22 AM</span>

[judged_one]

<blockquote><hr>Diapause wrote:<P>Everything looks so rosy when you live within your own bubble. The friendliest word you'll ever hear on a raid is "Dispatched!". I can just see those beady little Assassin eyes water up for guessing just how big Decapitate will hit this time after the debuff is called. There is no class envy here trust me, I enjoy my Brigand immensely, but to not see that the Amazing Reflexes nerf hurts Assassins as well as every other DPS toon as well is mightily short-sided.</P><P>A 5-sec duration proc off of CA's only for 28% chance is laughable, while your 30sec immunity w/ stealth is actually workable as evident from all the Assassins giddy over Getaway's potential. What we're asking for isn't a nerf to Getaway, it is rather for an obvious recognition that our CA should be on par or exceed another class' AA skill. It isn't that the AEs are impossible, but if AoE immunity is going to be given out at all, then it needs to be reasonable or just scrap the idea altogether..</P><P>I mean would you rather I put 20-something points into the Brig AA tree so I can extend this crappy CA even more or have the Dev's fix it to begin with so I can put those points into enhancing Dispatch to make you eyes go all aglow again?</P><P>Septro - Lvl 70 Brigand</P><P>DISPATCH!!!</P><hr></blockquote>I agree that Brigand should get some compensation for losing AR. At least they should get a DPS boost so they are on par with swashy. Weird that Swashy is getting more DPS on their AA and Brigand is getting more debuffs. They should just make AR like gatway for brigand and added in a dps mod on it.

[DarkMirrax]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> judged_one wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree that Brigand should get some compensation for losing AR. At least they should get a DPS boost so they are on par with swashy. Weird that Swashy is getting more DPS on their AA and Brigand is getting more debuffs. They should just make AR like gatway for brigand and added in a dps mod on it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Most brigands will probably say we are happy with our dps , we arnt designed for dps even though we do good dps our class is all about the debuff and as thats how we are designed the swashie gets more damage to compensate , i have no problem with that whatsoever its not a swashie that can call "DISPATCHED" and see all the mages and big hitters grin , its like christmas come early.</P> <P>As the last poster mentioned im not wasting points on AR when i can get more out of dispatch and get tenure ? its a no brainer</P></DIV>

[Hadanelith]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P>Recca[BK] wrote:<BR>why wouldnt it stay as it is now. you "getaway" from the aoe. what would be the point of having a 30 sec aoe immune where we could do nothing.<BR><BR><FONT color=#cc00ff>The point is to activate it shortly before the AOE casts. As a bonus, you're put into Stealth, so you can immediately launch a Stealth attack after your Raid has called "AOE's off!" There is not a SINGLE form of Stealth or Invisibility in this game that is not broken when the Stealth / Invis'd person Attacks a MOB or PVP player, this ability is not meant to be any different.</FONT> <P>the discription also implies we can do anything while its up.</P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Yes, insomuch as we're not Stunned or Stifled as using part of this ability. If it were meant to allow us to chain Stealth attacks for 30 seconds, it would have a "Grants Stealth to the target after each successful attack" descriptor much like Concealment does.</FONT><BR><BR>"any attack on the assassin will break the stealth." that means useing CAs will not break it so we are good there. it is a stealth so we can use killing blade and such.</P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>Read my first commnet. 'Nuf said.</FONT><BR><BR>as for it breaking on a dmg shield, i have been using it to duel lately just to mess around. i dueled a SK several times and his dmg shield and reactive DS didnt not break it.</P> <P><FONT color=#cc00ff>That's because the ability's broken so that the Stealth endures for the entire 30 seconds, which is clearly not intended. The 30s duration of the ability is rather clearly MEANT to allow you to remain AOE immune for a few extra seconds in case the AOE gets delayed from an ability such as Traumatic Swipe. If you cast Getaway 5s before a 45s-recast AoE was supposed to go off, and Traumatic Swipe goes in, you now have an additional 22.5s til the AoE goes off. This is meant to give you the option of waiting those 22.5s if you so choose... not that anyone would, because it would ruin their DPS.</FONT><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Any questions?</P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski of Kithicor<BR></P>

[Jayad]

<P>If you joust the AOE, at least you can switch to range attacks for the period between.  With this on, you do *no* damage.  There's no way the time spent getting back into position plus a stealth is a significant upgrade to it.</P> <P>About the only use I can think for it is when you're dealing with a nasty AOE you can't easily joust (like Cruor, the Roost bird, etc.).   In my opinion, the ability is pretty much worthless as a "save joust time" skill, and purely a "avoid a raid-wide AOE that does something bad" skill.  Given that raids usually have some kind of strategy for dealing with those anyways, it doesn't really add a lot, but it is the best application.</P>

[HellRaiserXX]

<DIV>I agree with you about how it is supposed to be used Hadan, I think what everyone is so upset about is that it was a semi-decent ability even though it was broken compared to everything else we received.  I personally dont see any benefit to it now. There isnt an AE in the game that either cant just be taken with resist gear, jousted, or cured with potions. The biggest benefit it gave me IMO was avoiding stun/stifle AEs. Dmg AEs are rarely lethal in my experience and I can still do dmg, but with stun/stifle AEs, especially stun, I lose a lot of dmg ability for that time.  I might still keep it just because I might find a use for it in some encounters and its only 1 point. Not like there really is anything else to spend it on.</DIV>