with EoF Assassin's are now Rouges

[Siclone]

<P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffff99><SPAN>I<FONT color=#ffff66> </FONT><FONT color=#ffff99>am not sure if this has been talked about here or not, with EoF, the Character select screen has rangers by them selves, they did away with predators and put assassins with rogues.<SPAN>   </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff99 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffff99><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff99>So now I guess we are</FONT> <FONT color=#ffff99>not predators but rouges, I don’t understand what this does if anything but I just curious why they would do that</FONT>.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff99 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffff99 size=3>So when a Ranger betrays, who do they betray to?<SPAN>  </SPAN>Why would they change it and does it really mean anything? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </P>

[SalBlu]

<DIV>I have been turning that around in my head as well since i've been playing the beta and had my Assassin copied over.  My first concern was that all of our KOS AAs were going to get converted into those of a Rogue.  Upon inspection however, my Assassin still maintains the Predator AA set.  This was a relief, but I still have the nagging feeling that something is amiss with this.  With no viable opposite for the Rangers and Assassins since the Predator baseclass has been done away with, how is betrayal going to be handled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I keep checking every night, but nothing has changed.  I'll make a posting on the beta boards about it and see if I can dig up some info about it.</DIV>

[Jodah]

Looks like I betrayed my ranger just in time hah!

[Jayad]

Heh same <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[HazNpho]

Maybe a dev could input on this? It sounds to me like a proggy made an oops... A rather large one from the looks of it. I don't like the idea of being classed with Swashy's and Brigands. If this is indeed the way of things to come... I feel even more like they are working assassins out of the game.<div></div>

[Recca[BK]]

its nothing to be concerned about. we have a more roguish playstyle than that of a ranger. if we betray we will still become rangers. its change so new folks might understand the classes a bit better at character select. the did away with crusaders too. now they each have there own class. it doesnt effect anything but character selection screen.

[Kimira]

Considering the fact there are predator achievements, predator armor sets, and predator only items, i really dont know how one could come to the conclusion the subclass is done away with because of a character select screen. <div></div>

[Siclone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kimirahi wrote:<BR>Considering the fact there are predator achievements, predator armor sets, and predator only items, i really dont know how one could come to the conclusion the subclass is done away with because of a character select screen.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>a couple of thoughts on this...yea your right but that was all pre-EoF</P> <P>now we are talking EoF and later.  So it appears to me, there wont be any more "Predator" anything.  And that is the point. </P> <P>Why? And what impact will that have if any? </P> <P>to me they made things more complicated, it used to be really simply you had rouges good and evil and predators good and evil, all following the same basic roles,,,,now you have rouges good, evil and evil.  I feel if soe annouces assassins are now rouges that has a greater impact on the game other then saying, "oh its just the select screen" </P> <P>I dont know maybe it will just be the game select, but I would not rule out, seeing a weapon or a piece of armor that says rouge only and assassins able to use it and not rangers.  I doubt there will be predator anythings, I wonder what SOE big picture is decideing to lump assassins with swashy and brigands...there might be some agenda here ..cause to make is simple for new players, I dont buy cause to me it does not do that.  But who knows, I was hoping someone did.  </P>

[Dracor]

If you check the new AA thread, you will see in the screenshot the other tab in the AA window is still titled "Predator".<div></div>

[Sirlutt]

there hasnt been any "predator" anything for a while.. this is all very amusing.We are assassins, and it will still work the way it worked before.. dont get excited over the char create stuff and look further into this than you need to.<div></div>

[SalBlu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sirlutt wrote:<BR>there hasnt been any "predator" anything for a while.. this is all very amusing.<BR><BR>We are assassins, and it will still work the way it worked before.. dont get excited over the char create stuff and look further into this than you need to.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not entirely correct.  While there hasnt been any Predator items and whatnot since T6, the KOS AAs were based around the Assassin/Ranger baseclass, Predator.  Thats why you have all the subclasses sharing the same AA trees from KOS, ie Shadowknight/Paladin, Berserker/Guardian, Dirge/Troubador, etc, etc. 

[Neribus]

I'm guessing this ring doesn't exist then?  Even though my character has it?  <a href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/RingofRelkententinar.php" target=_blank>Ring of Relkententinar</a><div></div>

[HellRaiserXX]

There has never been many predator only items anyway.  Even in T6 there were maybe 2.

[HazNpho]

I don't know about the no predetor items. Even at T6 I seem to find them alot, though compared to Cobalt its just merchant fodder, they do exist.<div></div>

[SalBlu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neribus wrote:<BR>I'm guessing this ring doesn't exist then?  Even though my character has it?  <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/RingofRelkententinar.php" target=_blank>Ring of Relkententinar</A> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh wow... didnt realize that that ring was predator only.  Good catch.

[Kimira]

The new heroic armor sets, there is also a predator only set just as there is a rogue only

[Jodah]

Will this mean we will get more debuffs? :smileyvery-happy: That would own.. maybe my attacks wouldn't do absolutely nothing in pvp anymore.

[BetaMaster]

<DIV>the classes in the character selection are all based on eq1 classes with the exception of Sorcerer because wizard is a subtype of it and warlock would have no where else to go.</DIV> <DIV>Paladin and sk are their own end classes in both games so they have their own category.  Rangers are their own class and you must admit that assassins are very rogue like in the sense that they were in eq1.  Lots of fast stabbing attacks with big flanking attacks.</DIV>

[Siclone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BetaMaster wrote:<BR> <DIV>the classes in the character selection are all based on eq1 classes with the exception of Sorcerer because wizard is a subtype of it and warlock would have no where else to go.</DIV> <DIV>Paladin and sk are their own end classes in both games so they have their own category.  Rangers are their own class and you must admit that <U><STRONG>assassins are very rogue like in the sense that they were in eq1.  Lots of fast stabbing attacks with big flanking attacks.</STRONG></U></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>and rangers dont?</P> <P>I don't think any one is getting "excited" but I think it is an odd move to put a class in a different sub group and not talk about it.  one or two sentence behind the reason would do just fine.  </P><p>Message Edited by DaStone on <span class=date_text>11-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:13 PM</span>

[HellRaiserXX]

I think its that way to make it easier to choose a character.  They group together similar classes.  Rogues and Assassins are all close in, backstabbing, melee gods whereas Rangers are ranged <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  So if you want a close range scout you know that Brig, Swashy, and Assassin would all be good choices.

[Ikabob]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SalBluee wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neribus wrote:<BR>I'm guessing this ring doesn't exist then?  Even though my character has it?  <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/RingofRelkententinar.php" target=_blank>Ring of Relkententinar</A> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh wow... didnt realize that that ring was predator only.  Good catch.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>but it is not preditor only.. well in a sence it is but it is assassin ranger only.. if it says Preditor for use only then yeah i could see where a problem would be but sence they say what CLASS can wear it whats the problem? i agree with the other guy and you are all lookig in to this way to much<BR>

[EtoilePirate]

They've explained the reasoning on the Beta boards.The class itself isn't actually changing in the slightest.  I think the people who will be the most confused are genuine new players.  Because EQ2 DOES still function in class pairs.  If I betray, I become a ranger, not a swashie.  Rangers and Assassins still share 50 AA points.  And that ring linked above isn't the only predator-only item in the game.I find myself wondering if, six months or a year from now, they'll have changed the structure of class alignment and betrayal so that we aren't in a two-city good-evil dichotomy when the world keeps getting bigger.<div></div>

[HazNpho]

I still think this is a dumb way to classify assassins. We have several large hits that we have to wait for the right time to attack with. We are predators, we stalk our prey. We don't go head to head with them like a swash or brig can. We attack more from behind and in the shadows. To me that is a preditor, think of a lion, they don't go charging in with claws and fangs hoping the prey will not run off. They attack from behind the animal, they stalk them untill the right moment and pounce with the most lethal and deadliest of force. Putting us in a group with a brigand or swashy, which normally would be classified as pirates and cutthroats is just idiotic. Yes, both pirates and cut throats can attack from the shadows. But they do most of their fighting up front and personal with their target.How can you say that an assassin is not a predator?<div></div>