Assasin the nerfed class??

[Elikal]

<DIV>After playing many classes over a long time I finally played my first Assasin. I played myself up to Lv17 and have good equipment,<BR>poison and all. I am no EQ2 noob, and still... I have never had difficulties soloing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] white mobs until now! Every other class was<BR>much stronger, heck my lv 17 Pally was able to walz through orange solo mobs at that time!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are many abilities, but somehow I dont get anywhere soloing. Not that I love soloing, but I have to atm for some reasons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any feedback/advise? </DIV>

[Craien]

A couple of things: one, Assassins shine in group settings, not solo.  Second, our strength really becomes apparent when you get to the 30's and beyond.

[Sirlutt]

play a bruiser.<div></div>

[oldie]

Maybe.<div></div>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>At low levels we solo terribly. Up at the top end tho we're pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good. </DIV>

[lmhotep]

<P>My assassin alt is L26 at the moment and comparing it to the other classes i play i think soloing is reasonably good aslong as you use the right tactics.</P> <P>In groups i parse topdps 99% of the time wich i think is exactly what assassins should be, very good DPS and reasobale solobility:smileyhappy:</P>

[Malandrin]

<DIV>Yes, compared to most other classes assassins are bad soloers.</DIV>

[UberC]

<div><blockquote><hr>Malandrin wrote:<div>Yes, compared to most other classes assassins are bad soloers.</div><hr></blockquote>Indeed, but compared to the classes that can solo well, we have many more group options balances out quite nicly really (if you disregard the soloabilty of some casters that is)</div>

[Bjerde]

I had an assassin before kiting was nerfed. It was my first alt and I could solo then...I had to, no one ever wanted an assassin back then, lol. After kiting was taken away (waaaah), and they didn't do spectacular damage anyway so I stopped playing him at lvl 33 or so.I have been playing him again, and the dps that I can push out is way better than it used to be (last year). Assassins need to attack from the back for thier big hits, so are not the best soloers. A rogue class has more frontal attacks and can solo better. <div></div>

[Siclone]

<P>when I was level 17 I noticed for the first time we sucked soloing,,,,a wizard of equal level was one shotting things I had to fight hard to kill.</P> <P>at 67 we still suck soloing compared to alot of classes, necro and his good opposite, solo great, they are mowing down groups of single mobs at a time where if I get 2 on me at once its a fight,,,same level same mobs.</P> <P>Also, in groups, I was just reading a thread of what are good dps classes or who who puts on the most dps in raid parses, and most of the answers where, pet class mages, with an ocaical assassin toss in the mix depending on the encounter.</P> <P>I sort of think if we can't solo, where mages can, we should be without question the most dps in a group, and where not.</P> <P>I play an assassin, cause I flat out dont like the caster sytle of play, and if I play a tank its all about your gear,,,,so I play a scout, knowning the game is not balance in our favor </P> <P> </P>

[afrikaner]

<P>excuse me for beating a dead horse, but if you absolutely need to kill something dead quick assassin is the person you want (group setting) also when there is room to kite do it, but that also becomes more effective at higher lvls with more combat abilities. We can't kite quite as well as rangers since we are an up close and personal class, but the snare root and stun combo used well can help you take down green and blue heroics (it just takes a while). We dont bring much to the a group other than dps, but we bring lots of it. Hope that helps. We are also more effective towards single mobs...at least that is my experience. Hope that helps...and ive been playing since christmas so im a noob too.</P> <P>Ataksuki 70 Assassin Crushbone</P> <P>Shizune 70 Templar Crushbone</P>

[Bjerde]

Any class is about your gear. If you have better gear, with better stats you will do more dps. Upgrade your spells too. Assassins do very good damage and they are on par with casters. Necros and Conj do sick dps, but you should be able to beat them sometimes....and you will be right up with them all the time (at least you should be). You will see a conj taking out group mobs because they have a lot of grp nukes. They can blast a group down fast, a necro is more single target....and both of these have pets that take hits for them. If you want to do high damage, and don't like to play casters then stick with assassin (just don't try to solo to 70, lol)<div></div>

[Graton]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Malandrin wrote:<div>Yes, compared to most other classes assassins are bad soloers.</div><hr></blockquote>i don't think this is true at all. i can farm names that a lot of classes have trouble with solo. there are classes that solo better than us but if you spend the money on poisons / gear assassins solo well.i combine gracelessness / vitality breech & stupefying poisons and in so doing i can solo blue triple up heroics. kiting is also still an option if you get in a place with open space.we're not illusionists mind you, but we're definately above average i'd say.</div><p>Message Edited by Graton on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 AM</span>

[ShiftySands]

Assassins are still, and always shall be, the best class in the game.True story.<div></div>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>I have solo'd the named yellow ^^^ tree from the claymore line probably 20-25 times when I was trying to get the shoulders off him for resist gear. Long as you know what you're doing we solo fine.</DIV>

[Malandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mordacion wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have solo'd the named yellow ^^^ tree from the claymore line probably 20-25 times when I was trying to get the shoulders off him for resist gear. Long as you know what you're doing we solo fine.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Maybe you are the best wordwide expert in that mob, but it doesn't matter. Every mage, fury, warden, shaman, bruiser, monk, pally, SK, berserker, and all other scouts solo way better than assassins.

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>Malandrin wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Mordacion wrote: <div>I have solo'd the named yellow ^^^ tree from the claymore line probably 20-25 times when I was trying to get the shoulders off him for resist gear. Long as you know what you're doing we solo fine.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Maybe you are the best wordwide expert in that mob, but it doesn't matter. Every mage, fury, warden, shaman, bruiser, monk, pally, SK, berserker, and all other scouts solo way better than assassins.<hr></blockquote>I can solo better than furies and wardens vs heroics, paladin as well... and more efficient than a mage vs a white con heroic or lower.  I have full fabled, 22 masters/10 adept III's.. i use grandmaster's vitality breach, enfeebling, and essence of turgur.  most heroics/named i can kill if there's not too many adds nearby, with the exception of some caster mobs, depending what type of caster they are.  even those are normally easily duoable with a mage or priest.<div></div>

[Elikal]

<P>I quit assasin. Sorry it sux. I died 9 times in the betrayal quest in that [Removed for Content] miltia house (FP) against dam blue solos.</P> <P>Enuff is Enuff.</P>

[darkdama]

<P>Yeah I am sorry anyone that is saying we are a "good" solo class is lying... All of our DPS comes from position/stealth try and get in stealth with adds beating on you. Try and get that good high damage opener against a see invis mob or have your high damage opener parried/resisted and it aint gonna happen.</P> <P>I am not saying we cant solo. I do it all the time but relatively speaking I cant think of a worse solo class... </P> <P>Again It can be done but the right guy could probably do open heart surgery with an exacto knife too. But there are easier classes to solo for sure</P>

[Neribus]

<div></div>I agree with darkdamage.personally, I think some dev took the first 3 letters of our class name a little to seriously, because thats all we really get to see in a group or raid setting.  As an assassin, be prepared to be the (rear end) of a lot of jokes.<span>:smileyvery-happy:You want to talk about bad soloablity.  Try an inquisitor, had a inquis friend quit the game because he found that quite a few green con mobs regened health faster than he could do damage <span>:smileysad:</span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Neribus on <span class=date_text>09-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:10 AM</span>

[sunkin]

<div><blockquote><hr>darkdamage wrote:<div></div> <p>Yeah I am sorry anyone that is saying we are a "good" solo class is lying... All of our DPS comes from position/stealth try and get in stealth with adds beating on you. Try and get that good high damage opener against a see invis mob </p><hr></blockquote>For an assassin to solo well its all about being quick. Once you get concealment and finishing blow it all becomes alot easier. Here is a couple tips you might want to try if you havent already. First use concealment its is awsome when soloing. Keep your finger on the ~ button and click it on as if they break your stealth. Most mobs hit pretty slow and if you are quick you can easily get some if not all your frontal stealth moves off even with group mobs.Cheap shot is also very usefull. Sure it only last about 1sec on heroic mobs but that is plenty of time. Try to use it early in the fight an land crippling strike. Also use it for finishing blow. There is rarely a time when i am soloing that i am not waiting for cheap shot to refresh.Our root is also another very usefull combat art expecially on multiple targets. Hit them with that and move back a couple steps with your bow. With a nice bow, poison and haste you you should easily be able to hit it for around 10k total during that time. More if you have room to kite the mob a bit. Also a good idea to throw on malignent mark before you do this for the chance of procing the ca.When working with multiple target the more you have the harder it is. But i find its a good idea to root one, move back and burn down the second while its sitting there. A ^^ has less hp and you should be able to get it almost dead by the time the root wears off. If not throw the snare on the rooted one and kite the other until its under 20% then FB it. In cramped conditions this ends up being alot harder but still possible.As for see stealth mobs you can still get your big hit in to start. Just spam the move while moving towards it. The majority of the time you will get your first hit off before them.Plus we have surviel to pull mobs to a more open space if needed. Assuming they arent a caster you should still be able to get off your big backstab before they hit you.Soloing with an assassin is definatly not as easy as most classes but we can keep up with all but the best solo classes. I dont solo alot but in general i dont have too much trouble with it. Anyone else have some good tips i may have forgot or even better, ones i dont know about?</div>

[khufure]

<div><blockquote><hr>Elikal wrote:<div></div> <p>I quit assasin. Sorry it sux. I died 9 times in the betrayal quest in that [Removed for Content] miltia house (FP) against dam blue solos.</p> <p>Enuff is Enuff.</p><hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote>I'd ask for your stuff but you obviously don't have any.</div>

[Siclone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sunkin24 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkdamage wrote:<BR> <P>Yeah I am sorry anyone that is saying we are a "good" solo class is lying... All of our DPS comes from position/stealth try and get in stealth with adds beating on you. Try and get that good high damage opener against a see invis mob <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>For an assassin to solo well its all about being quick. Once you get concealment and finishing blow it all becomes alot easier. Here is a couple tips you might want to try if you havent already. <BR><BR>First use concealment its is awsome when soloing. Keep your finger on the ~ button and click it on as if they break your stealth. Most mobs hit pretty slow and if you are quick you can easily get some if not all your frontal stealth moves off even with group mobs.<BR><BR>Cheap shot is also very usefull. Sure it only last about 1sec on heroic mobs but that is plenty of time. Try to use it early in the fight an land crippling strike. Also use it for finishing blow. There is rarely a time when i am soloing that i am not waiting for cheap shot to refresh.<BR><BR>Our root is also another very usefull combat art expecially on multiple targets. Hit them with that and move back a couple steps with your bow. With a nice bow, poison and haste you you should easily be able to hit it for around 10k total during that time. More if you have room to kite the mob a bit. Also a good idea to throw on malignent mark before you do this for the chance of procing the ca.<BR><BR>When working with multiple target the more you have the harder it is. But i find its a good idea to root one, move back and burn down the second while its sitting there. A ^^ has less hp and you should be able to get it almost dead by the time the root wears off. If not throw the snare on the rooted one and kite the other until its under 20% then FB it. In cramped conditions this ends up being alot harder but still possible.<BR><BR>As for see stealth mobs you can still get your big hit in to start. Just spam the move while moving towards it. The majority of the time you will get your first hit off before them.<BR><BR>Plus we have surviel to pull mobs to a more open space if needed. Assuming they arent a caster you should still be able to get off your big backstab before they hit you.<BR><BR>Soloing with an assassin is definatly not as easy as most classes but we can keep up with all but the best solo classes. I dont solo alot but in general i dont have too much trouble with it. <BR><BR>Anyone else have some good tips i may have forgot or even better, ones i dont know about?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I hardly see how conselement  could be " awesome"  soloing...we only have 2 frontal stealth attacks both with long [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] timers and if they are up, thats the first attack I am using casue its the most damage, to make sure I can get it in,,,so,,,,</P> <P> </P>

[UberC]

<div><blockquote><hr>DaStone wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> sunkin24 wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> darkdamage wrote: <div></div> <p>Yeah I am sorry anyone that is saying we are a "good" solo class is lying... All of our DPS comes from position/stealth try and get in stealth with adds beating on you. Try and get that good high damage opener against a see invis mob </p> <hr> </blockquote>For an assassin to solo well its all about being quick. Once you get concealment and finishing blow it all becomes alot easier. Here is a couple tips you might want to try if you havent already. First use concealment its is awsome when soloing. Keep your finger on the ~ button and click it on as if they break your stealth. Most mobs hit pretty slow and if you are quick you can easily get some if not all your frontal stealth moves off even with group mobs.Cheap shot is also very usefull. Sure it only last about 1sec on heroic mobs but that is plenty of time. Try to use it early in the fight an land crippling strike. Also use it for finishing blow. There is rarely a time when i am soloing that i am not waiting for cheap shot to refresh.Our root is also another very usefull combat art expecially on multiple targets. Hit them with that and move back a couple steps with your bow. With a nice bow, poison and haste you you should easily be able to hit it for around 10k total during that time. More if you have room to kite the mob a bit. Also a good idea to throw on malignent mark before you do this for the chance of procing the ca.When working with multiple target the more you have the harder it is. But i find its a good idea to root one, move back and burn down the second while its sitting there. A ^^ has less hp and you should be able to get it almost dead by the time the root wears off. If not throw the snare on the rooted one and kite the other until its under 20% then FB it. In cramped conditions this ends up being alot harder but still possible.As for see stealth mobs you can still get your big hit in to start. Just spam the move while moving towards it. The majority of the time you will get your first hit off before them.Plus we have surviel to pull mobs to a more open space if needed. Assuming they arent a caster you should still be able to get off your big backstab before they hit you.Soloing with an assassin is definatly not as easy as most classes but we can keep up with all but the best solo classes. I dont solo alot but in general i dont have too much trouble with it. Anyone else have some good tips i may have forgot or even better, ones i dont know about?</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I hardly see how concelement  could be " awesome"  soloing...we only have 2 frontal stealth attacks both with long [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] timers and if they are up, thats the first attack I am using casue its the most damage, to make sure I can get it in,,,so,,,,</p><p></p>On the other side, yes, if you move quick enough you can get a steath move off on a see stealth mob, which is about all your post brings....<hr></blockquote>Concealment - A solo skill... O'Rly, do you actualy have an assassin? (sunkin) unless you are REALLY lucky you will never get a concealment combo off solo, and with the whole 2 seconds we have on cheap shot, well... I hate to be the person, but, please, don't try and give advice about something you clearly have no clue about.</div>

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>UberCiz wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>DaStone wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> sunkin24 wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> darkdamage wrote: <div></div> <p>Yeah I am sorry anyone that is saying we are a "good" solo class is lying... All of our DPS comes from position/stealth try and get in stealth with adds beating on you. Try and get that good high damage opener against a see invis mob </p> <hr> </blockquote>For an assassin to solo well its all about being quick. Once you get concealment and finishing blow it all becomes alot easier. Here is a couple tips you might want to try if you havent already. First use concealment its is awsome when soloing. Keep your finger on the ~ button and click it on as if they break your stealth. Most mobs hit pretty slow and if you are quick you can easily get some if not all your frontal stealth moves off even with group mobs.Cheap shot is also very usefull. Sure it only last about 1sec on heroic mobs but that is plenty of time. Try to use it early in the fight an land crippling strike. Also use it for finishing blow. There is rarely a time when i am soloing that i am not waiting for cheap shot to refresh.Our root is also another very usefull combat art expecially on multiple targets. Hit them with that and move back a couple steps with your bow. With a nice bow, poison and haste you you should easily be able to hit it for around 10k total during that time. More if you have room to kite the mob a bit. Also a good idea to throw on malignent mark before you do this for the chance of procing the ca.When working with multiple target the more you have the harder it is. But i find its a good idea to root one, move back and burn down the second while its sitting there. A ^^ has less hp and you should be able to get it almost dead by the time the root wears off. If not throw the snare on the rooted one and kite the other until its under 20% then FB it. In cramped conditions this ends up being alot harder but still possible.As for see stealth mobs you can still get your big hit in to start. Just spam the move while moving towards it. The majority of the time you will get your first hit off before them.Plus we have surviel to pull mobs to a more open space if needed. Assuming they arent a caster you should still be able to get off your big backstab before they hit you.Soloing with an assassin is definatly not as easy as most classes but we can keep up with all but the best solo classes. I dont solo alot but in general i dont have too much trouble with it. Anyone else have some good tips i may have forgot or even better, ones i dont know about?</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I hardly see how concelement  could be " awesome"  soloing...we only have 2 frontal stealth attacks both with long [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] timers and if they are up, thats the first attack I am using casue its the most damage, to make sure I can get it in,,,so,,,,</p><p></p>On the other side, yes, if you move quick enough you can get a steath move off on a see stealth mob, which is about all your post brings....<hr></blockquote>Concealment - A solo skill... O'Rly, do you actualy have an assassin? (sunkin) unless you are REALLY lucky you will never get a concealment combo off solo, and with the whole 2 seconds we have on cheap shot, well... I hate to be the person, but, please, don't try and give advice about something you clearly have no clue about.</div><hr></blockquote>I have to agree that Concealment IS a great solo skill.  I frequently use it.  To the first guy, we actually have 4 frontal stealth skills.. puncture blade, jugular, killing blade, decapitate.  To the second guy, don't be so quick to judge something like that, not to mention rude to the poster. a viable option to get a few high hitters in... start the fight with eviscerate, cheap shot, crippling strike, concealment, jugular, killing blade, freezing strike - back up, assailing blast, contrived weapon, cheap shot again, finishing blow.   usually works for me. if the mob sees invis.. hit with neck shot(or pull with surveillance if social aggro around), assailing blast, contrived weapon, cheap shot, eviscerate, concealment, jugular, killing blade, freezing strike - back up, assailing blast, contrived weapon, cheap shot again, finishing blow. or even do what i do to lvl 67 ^^^ named/heroic and below.. vitality breach, defense stance.. use only dots + MM, while using HO's to get swindler's luck.. then just melee it to death. again i'm in full fabled with a good many masters and i'm not cheap with poisons and arrows... but i'm saying that it is possible with an assassin.  hate seeing those that can't rudely put down those that can.<div></div>

[sunkin]

ok not sure why i care enough to do this because its obvious you flamed me simply for the sake of flaming but i made a small video to prove that assassins can solo efficiently. Keep in mind i am a fully fabled assassin with all my masters, This mob is lvl 68 heroic but hardly what i would call a difficult kill. I did not use decapitate. And i finished the fight with full health and more than 75% power.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ</a><div></div>

[UberC]

<div><blockquote><hr>sunkin24 wrote:ok not sure why i care enough to do this because its obvious you flamed me simply for the sake of flaming but i made a small video to prove that assassins can solo efficiently. Keep in mind i am a fully fabled assassin with all my masters, This mob is lvl 68 heroic but hardly what i would call a difficult kill. I did not use decapitate. And i finished the fight with full health and more than 75% power.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ</a><div></div><hr></blockquote>heh, ya I did, sorry. A good night out is often followed by silly/out spoken comments on a message board /rolleyes /shame (better than text messages to ex gfs however)Anywho, you are full fabled with all masters, not exactly the "average" assassin, I will check later how that mob treats me (13 or so masters a few peices of fable - nothing special). I stll doubt the merits off concealment as a good solo skill, but never the less :-p</div>

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>UberCiz wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>sunkin24 wrote:ok not sure why i care enough to do this because its obvious you flamed me simply for the sake of flaming but i made a small video to prove that assassins can solo efficiently. Keep in mind i am a fully fabled assassin with all my masters, This mob is lvl 68 heroic but hardly what i would call a difficult kill. I did not use decapitate. And i finished the fight with full health and more than 75% power.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ</a><div></div><hr></blockquote>heh, ya I did, sorry. A good night out is often followed by silly/out spoken comments on a message board /rolleyes /shame (better than text messages to ex gfs however)Anywho, you are full fabled with all masters, not exactly the "average" assassin, I will check later how that mob treats me (13 or so masters a few peices of fable - nothing special). I stll doubt the merits off concealment as a good solo skill, but never the less :-p</div><hr></blockquote>understandable.. in return i'm sorry i flamed you over the whole issue.  you're right tho he (and I) aren't the average assassin, but as for me i was just defending the class in general.<div></div>

[Siclone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sunkin24 wrote:<BR>ok not sure why i care enough to do this because its obvious you flamed me simply for the sake of flaming but i made a small video to prove that assassins can solo efficiently. Keep in mind i am a fully fabled assassin with all my masters, This mob is lvl 68 heroic but hardly what i would call a difficult kill. I did not use decapitate. And i finished the fight with full health and more than 75% power.<BR><BR><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ</A><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>nice video, I think the point is, soloing ability is realative to the other classes.  Can any class solo? "Yes" (espeically with all masters and fable gear)</P> <P>the question is how does one class solo compared to other classes.  the answer for assassins ."not very well"..</P> <P>Take a Conj or necro, with all masters, and fabled and he is taking out 2 or 3 at a time faster then your 1.</P> <P>Also, we all know that assassins are PvP challenged.  </P> <P>Assassins bring very little to a  group or raid other then dps, and dps is a dime a dozen there are alot of DPS toons, that can pump out dps</P> <P>the one thing assassins got going for them is a cool sounding name, which I think is the main reason so many people play em</P> <P> </P>

[phoenixshard]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>sunkin24 wrote:ok not sure why i care enough to do this because its obvious you flamed me simply for the sake of flaming but i made a small video to prove that assassins can solo efficiently. Keep in mind i am a fully fabled assassin with all my masters, This mob is lvl 68 heroic but hardly what i would call a difficult kill. I did not use decapitate. And i finished the fight with full health and more than 75% power.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxrxfPPi6YQ</a><div></div><hr></blockquote>Very sweet video.  I'm only at 30th level with my Assassin, and I've never had any problems with soloing with her.  I'm always aware of my surroundings and do try to take on single mobs, but I'm also not afraid to hit group mobs, just making sure to hit spell casters first and take them down.  I am far from decked out, wearing only pristine imbued non rare items, with the same for weaponry.</div><p>Message Edited by phoenixshard on <span class=date_text>10-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:14 PM</span>

[darkdama]

<P>Sunkin I said we CAN solo but not the best solo class. If your "tips" are sincere I appreciate them (I already solo about as well as any assassin can thanks) but if they are intended to patronize me you can keep it. Anybody that is going to even remotely imply that we ARE a "GOOD" solo class is flat out wrong and lying/horribly misinformed.... we do not even make the top 10 classes to solo. I think you have EQ2 assassins confused with WoW rogues...</P> <P>And to try and say "we are fine if we have all Fabled gear / master CAs " is kind of a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] point to try and make because the discussion is all relative solo efficiency. So if same Necro coercer wizzy ....... ....... is all done up in fabled / masters they improve by a roughly equal amount thereby only shifting the scale.</P> <P>I really don't know why I get involved in these discussions sometimes. There is always one or two .... that want to derail the discussion and take everything out of context.</P> <P>And there is really no reason to try and defend the class all you really should do is accept what our strong traits are and quit trying to decieve yourself and others what our real intended function is.... DPS IN A GROUP/RAID SETTING.....</P>

[darkdama]

Oh and I forgot Sunkin can you post a video of you actually killing a mob that sees invis or maybe a fight where you get a add or two? I could with my necro atke all 3 of those at once...

[sunkin]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>darkdamage wrote:<div></div>Oh and I forgot Sunkin can you post a video of you actually killing a mob that sees invis or maybe a fight where you get a add or two? I could with my necro atke all 3 of those at once...<hr></blockquote>Ok, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g</a>I am not sure why i am getting so much attitude over my post. I apologize if i have insulted anyone or anything. I was just replying to the original post where the guy asked for feedback/tips. I definatly dont conisider myself an expert on soloing with an assassin. I rarely ever do it and I am sure there are people that are alot better than me at it. But I love the class and I couldnt let people trash talk it when they were obviously mistaken. Assassins really shine in groups and raids but they can solo. We are not a nerfed class. Like I said before we are far from being the best at soloing. But we are definatly not the worse. We can hold our own. Either way I am going to go back to the idea that posting on this forum is a bad idea. </div><p>Message Edited by sunkin24 on <span class=date_text>10-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:58 AM</span>

[Neribus]

I liked your posts sunkin, /shrug, but thats me.  Personally, I never solo, just isn't all that fun for me.  I like having the comments flying back and forth while raiding/group.  So your video showing how you solo is great.  Don't mind the doubters.<div></div>

[Siclone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sunkin24 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkdamage wrote:<BR> Oh and I forgot Sunkin can you post a video of you actually killing a mob that sees invis or maybe a fight where you get a add or two? I could with my necro atke all 3 of those at once...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g<BR></A><BR>I am not sure why i am getting so much attitude over my post. I apologize if i have insulted anyone or anything. I was just replying to the original post where the guy asked for feedback/tips. I definatly dont conisider myself an expert on soloing with an assassin. I rarely ever do it and I am sure there are people that are alot better than me at it. But I love the class and I couldnt let people trash talk it when they were obviously mistaken. Assassins really shine in groups and raids but they can solo. We are not a nerfed class. Like I said before we are far from being the best at soloing. But we are definatly not the worse. We can hold our own. Either way I am going to go back to the idea that posting on this forum is a bad idea. <BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by sunkin24 on <SPAN class=date_text>10-02-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>your being a bit to senative sunkin, no one is giving you additude or putting you down or the assassin class.  Peeps are just calling it the way they see it.  ..we may not be the worst class soloing,,,,,but we are far from the best...we may not be the worst in pvp,,,,but we are far from the best...we offer dps, thats it, many classes over dps and more,,,,that is the facts,,,we all enjoy playing an assassin or we would not play it, ,,but lets just call it the way it is, ..in other words don't [Removed for Content] on my back and tell me its raining.</P> <P>the game is in a constent state of change, so lets hope it changes in our direction. </P> <P> </P>

[darkdama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DaStone wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sunkin24 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> darkdamage wrote:<BR> Oh and I forgot Sunkin can you post a video of you actually killing a mob that sees invis or maybe a fight where you get a add or two? I could with my necro atke all 3 of those at once...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHizrYulE6g<BR></A><BR>I am not sure why i am getting so much attitude over my post. I apologize if i have insulted anyone or anything. I was just replying to the original post where the guy asked for feedback/tips. I definatly dont conisider myself an expert on soloing with an assassin. I rarely ever do it and I am sure there are people that are alot better than me at it. But I love the class and I couldnt let people trash talk it when they were obviously mistaken. Assassins really shine in groups and raids but they can solo. We are not a nerfed class. Like I said before we are far from being the best at soloing. But we are definatly not the worse. We can hold our own. Either way I am going to go back to the idea that posting on this forum is a bad idea. <BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by sunkin24 on <SPAN class=date_text>10-02-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>your being a bit to senative sunkin, no one is giving you additude or putting you down or the assassin class.  Peeps are just calling it the way they see it.  ..we may not be the worst class soloing,,,,,but we are far from the best...we may not be the worst in pvp,,,,but we are far from the best...we offer dps, thats it, many classes over dps and more,,,,that is the facts,,,we all enjoy playing an assassin or we would not play it, ,,but lets just call it the way it is, ..in other words don't [Removed for Content] on my back and tell me its raining.</P> <P>the game is in a constent state of change, so lets hope it changes in our direction. </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well you said it better than me but exactly! Thanks

[Fa1cor]

<div></div>well im quite pleased with my soloing. im lvl 70 with m1 kb, evis, and that damned 1 i can never remember (smalled damage hit back stab), wicked vil. and ad3 decap and ad3 finishing blow. anyways i was able to take out a 62^^^ with decap or killing blade as first attack. then crippling, mark, HO, stun then arrows, fisnishing blow. using t7 hemotoxin. im quite the newb too. besides for the moa fabled, im decked out in legendary/treasured gear, with some t6 crap too <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Malandrin]

<DIV>Assassins can solo? yes. That's not the question, The question is that assassins are among the worst soloers. The average full fabled and mastered Pally, SK, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout solo better (and most of them much much better)  than the average full fabled and masterd assassins. And comparing non full fabled non mastered Pally, SK, monk, bruiser, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout, to non full fabled non mastered assassin, the answer is the same.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Malandrin on <span class=date_text>10-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:39 PM</span>

[Malandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fa1cor wrote:<BR> well im quite pleased with my soloing. im lvl 70 with m1 kb, evis, and that damned 1 i can never remember (smalled damage hit back stab), wicked vil. and ad3 decap and ad3 finishing blow. anyways i was able to take out a 62^^^ with decap or killing blade as first attack. then crippling, mark, HO, stun then arrows, fisnishing blow. using t7 hemotoxin. im quite the newb too. besides for the moa fabled, im decked out in legendary/treasured gear, with some t6 crap too <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you were a mage, that 62^^^ would be a 72^^^

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>Malandrin wrote:<div></div> <div>Assassins can solo? yes. That's not the question, The question is that assassins are among the worst soloers. The average full fabled and mastered Pally, SK, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout solo better (and most of them much much better)  than the average full fabled and masterd assassins. And comparing non full fabled non mastered Pally, SK, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout, to non full fabled non mastered assassin, the answer is the same.</div><p>Message Edited by Malandrin on <span class="date_text">10-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:04 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I completely disagree with Pally, SK, zerker, fury, warden, and mystic.  I've soloed mobs that i know our fully fabled in each of those class can't touch. however remove all those and add bruiser/monk to the list.. they're some of the best soloers i've seen that don't have a pet or root.<div></div>

[Malandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> K'aldar wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Malandrin wrote:<BR> <DIV>Assassins can solo? yes. That's not the question, The question is that assassins are among the worst soloers. The average full fabled and mastered Pally, SK, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout solo better (and most of them much much better)  than the average full fabled and masterd assassins. And comparing non full fabled non mastered Pally, SK, Berserker, fury, warden, mystic, Mage, and any other scout, to non full fabled non mastered assassin, the answer is the same.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Malandrin on <SPAN class=date_text>10-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:04 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I completely disagree with Pally, SK, zerker, fury, warden, and mystic.  I've soloed mobs that i know our fully fabled in each of those class can't touch.<BR><BR>however remove all those and add bruiser/monk to the list.. they're some of the best soloers i've seen that don't have a pet or root.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Right, I forgot those!!

[Kinvore]

<div><blockquote><hr>Elikal wrote:<div></div> <p>I quit assasin. Sorry it sux. I died 9 times in the betrayal quest in that [Removed for Content] miltia house (FP) against dam blue solos.</p> <p>Enuff is Enuff.</p><hr></blockquote>It's a shame you quit, assassins are one of the most fun classes to play out there if you know what you are doing (and if you're patient).I don't recall at what level you get defensive stance but you want that up when soloing (and have it at adept 3 or better).  Also, poisons are a must.  Vitality breach is a godsend, damages the mob AND heals you.  The AGI debuff one will stack with it, allowing you to hit the mob better, as will the topor line, which will slow the mob's attack speed.If worse comes to worse use a good shield and 1hs, but I only need those when soloing heroics.  You don't have to kite, I can go toe-to-toe against blue heroics (well they gotta be like 2 levels below me I think, and not named hehe), especially if i can start off with Decap.Pouncer70 Assassin</div>

[HazNpho]

<div></div>I agree with most, we suck... sometimes. But the reason is because, a year ago when I first started my assasin, we were few and far between, Mainly because people had troubles making an assasin cause you had to do your special quests just to get your class, now anyone can start as an assasin and they flood the floor. We used to do better DPS back then, to the point I was actually soloing Orange ^^^ Heroics. Now... I can't solo a blue without great trouble. But, As for that opener, check your skills, there are some of your stealth skills that take .5 seconds to cast, so what do you do? Rush! Go in full tilt and hotkey that button as 1 or whatever it takes to fire it off as soon as your in range, the mob doesn't have time to react before you hit him. Then you have skills that can stun, jump behind the mob and hit him with as much as you can, drop in to stealth, some of your stealth skills actually will interupt the mob and give you enough time to key off 3 attacks in a row, at the moment I am lvl 52 and I can take some whites if I am lucky, but I can do blues, it just takes a while and you need to key the right skills at the right time.Unfortunatly we are not that great in groups... mainly because every mage class can do crazy, but if they accidentally take agro? They die. Many times I've been in a group where a mage out DPS'd me, we were raising them every 2 or 3 encounters.What I don't like is the nerfs on our skills, at one time Assasin had the best stealth because we could see invis/stealth, and had the least amount of speed reduction for our level, do I like the new style of stealth? NO! I want the speed reduction back, I want to see stealth, it is what made us deadly.Evac? Well, some fighters, most mages, some priests and every scout class can do that. So where does that leave us? Well, now we are basically an extra evac for a group of 3 - 5 evacs already.Buffs... well we get very few, a dirge in your group can make an assasin lethal, but who can always find a dirge for the group? I've been in groups where it was either me or a dirge, not both, type of attitude.Raising? Well priests, some mages, some fighters I believe, as well as a few scout classes yet again. Us? Not a chance.Heals? Some classes can heal themselves or others that are not healers... We don't even have a self buff to heal us, Lambent Imbued anyone? I have T3 gear on my lvl 52 assasin just for that, why so low? Cause I'm not paying 5pp just for another 10 points in mit and 1 in str.Pets... Sure we get a few... are they any good? Not really... I have seen a few fights where my rat has taken agro... about 0.000001% or where it has spread an AoE a little thin, A mob hits normal AoE of about 500+ damage started hitting about 300+ untill my pet died then it went back up, likely this was a bug and not meant to happen. Our pets are useless.All in all, I have to say, after taking a year off playing and comming back to what Sony has done to my favorite class... Say hello to my new main, a lvl 18 Guardian.Oh, I forgot poisons untill reading down more... Hey!... at 51 (Scribed scroll Apply Poison) You can now allow anyone in your group to use poison, taking up one of your concentration points, which with our current skills we normally only use 2, one for our stance (Or villany, don't remember exactly) and one for hatred transfer, this is for a lvl 52 mind you. But what I hate... Poisons a year ago were only for ASSASIN! now... every scout class and even some fighters can use poisons. My lvl 22 alch can make one that my friends fighter can use.<div></div><p>Message Edited by HazNpho on <span class=date_text>10-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 AM</span>

[Historios]

If you want utility be a bard, I play an assassin to kill stuff... quickly, and I do it really well, which makes me more than useful in a group setting

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>HazNpho wrote:<div></div>Unfortunatly we are not that great in groups... mainly because every mage class can do crazy, but if they accidentally take agro? They die. Many times I've been in a group where a mage out DPS'd me, we were raising them every 2 or 3 encounters. <font color="#99ff00"><b>A mage, with the exception of a warlock in large group fights, can't come close to a good assassin's damage in a normal group.  this is because us, and scouts in general, do alot of damage fast, with our super short cast times.  how is a mage with 1-4 sec cast times going to get enough damage in during a 5-10 second fight if we can get 10 CA's or more off and they only get 2-3?</b></font>What I don't like is the nerfs on our skills, at one time Assasin had the best stealth because we could see invis/stealth, and had the least amount of speed reduction for our level, do I like the new style of stealth? NO! I want the speed reduction back, I want to see stealth, it is what made us deadly. <font color="#99ff00"><b>Correct me if i'm wrong, because i very well might be, but i dont think we ever could see stealth.  i know that atm at least its a rogue only benefit added to their stealth.</b></font>Evac? Well, some fighters, most mages, some priests and every scout class can do that. So where does that leave us? Well, now we are basically an extra evac for a group of 3 - 5 evacs already.Buffs... well we get very few, a dirge in your group can make an assasin lethal, but who can always find a dirge for the group? I've been in groups where it was either me or a dirge, not both, type of attitude.Raising? Well priests, some mages, some fighters I believe, as well as a few scout classes yet again. Us? Not a chance.Heals? Some classes can heal themselves or others that are not healers... We don't even have a self buff to heal us, Lambent Imbued anyone? I have T3 gear on my lvl 52 assasin just for that, why so low? Cause I'm not paying 5pp just for another 10 points in mit and 1 in str. <font color="#99ff00"><b>Can heal yourself at least by using a Vitality Breach poison.  very useful while soloing.</b></font>Pets... Sure we get a few... are they any good? Not really... I have seen a few fights where my rat has taken agro... about 0.000001% or where it has spread an AoE a little thin, A mob hits normal AoE of about 500+ damage started hitting about 300+ untill my pet died then it went back up, likely this was a bug and not meant to happen. Our pets are useless.All in all, I have to say, after taking a year off playing and comming back to what Sony has done to my favorite class... Say hello to my new main, a lvl 18 Guardian.Oh, I forgot poisons untill reading down more... Hey!... at 51 (Scribed scroll Apply Poison) You can now allow anyone in your group to use poison, taking up one of your concentration points, which with our current skills we normally only use 2, one for our stance (Or villany, don't remember exactly) and one for hatred transfer, this is for a lvl 52 mind you. But what I hate... Poisons a year ago were only for ASSASIN! now... every scout class and even some fighters can use poisons. My lvl 22 alch can make one that my friends fighter can use. <font color="#99ff00"><b>Got news for ya, poisons were always Rogue/Predator useable.  and even as it stands now, bards(a type of scout if you didn't know) can NOT use them, and neither can any fighter class.</b></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by HazNpho on <span class="date_text">10-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:06 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Hadanelith]

<P>Assassins are one of the harder classes to solo with because of our reliance on stealth.</P> <P>It's really hard to execute stealth attacks when a mob is hitting you and you can't maintain stealth =p</P> <P>It'll actually get easier post-55 when you can use Concealment to force yourself into Stealth with every CA and then use any of the non-positional stealth-required moves to do large damage.</P> <P> </P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</P>

[Bjerde]

I agree with most, we suck... sometimes. But the reason is because, a year ago when I first started my assasin, we were few and far between, Mainly because people had troubles making an assasin cause you had to do your special quests just to get your class, now anyone can start as an assasin and they flood the floor. We used to do better DPS back then, to the point I was actually soloing Orange ^^^ Heroics.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<font color="#6666ff">Assassin DPS is better now then it ever was. What has changed is the way Orange cons work, there is no way you can solo an orange heroic, or anyone else for that matter. The assassin class quest was not that hard, and it is not what kept people from being an assassin....it is because assassins were [Removed for Content] DPS.</font>Unfortunatly we are not that great in groups... mainly because every mage class can do crazy, but if they accidentally take agro? They die. Many times I've been in a group where a mage out DPS'd me, we were raising them every 2 or 3 encounters.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<font color="#6666ff">Assassins are great in group, if anyone is looking for DPS, they will grab an asssassin. At least those that know the class as it is now. Mages can do great DPS, especially a Summoner class, but as you say they have very poor aggro control. They pay for that high DPS with many deaths. You on the other hand, have a nice aggro transfer.</font>What I don't like is the nerfs on our skills, at one time Assasin had the best stealth because we could see invis/stealth, and had the least amount of speed reduction for our level, do I like the new style of stealth? NO! I want the speed reduction back, I want to see stealth, it is what made us deadly.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<font color="#6666ff">You can see invis, along with Rangers. Rogues can see stealth.As for all your other points...you really want an Assassin to get a Rezz? lol All I can say is that the Assassin does DPS, that is what they do....that is why they don't get buffs and everything. This is exactly what the class was crying for a year ago (and longer) they didn't want utility, they wanted DPS, and they got it!Poisons and their usage havent changed since launch.You have been gone from the game, things have changed a lot. If you aren't pleased with the way Assassin is, good luck on your Guardian, lol. Asssassins are always parsing at the top of the raid DPS, they are great how they are right now. I am playing my (now lvl 4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Assassin again and I cannot agree with anything that you are saying and I started my Assassin over a year ago and stopped playing him at lvl 33. I am having fun with him now.</font><font color="#6666ff"></font><div></div>

[evilpants]

<P>I'll vouch that the Necro and Conjy and occational Wizzy can do some sick DPS  in raid parses. I'm forever fighting off these guys for the top spot on a parse and a good amount of the time I am getting pushed back to 2nd, 3rd or 4th depending on how many of them there are. As for soloing, yeah we can solo but we arent the best at it. Some of this can come from personal style (I have never used my defensive stance and never plan on it, it hampers my job) I dont  like to solo and prefer to group and raid so its not really an issue anymore. Group situations I am a beast and in raids it depends on my group makeup. We're not nerfed in any way shape or form, we were built for groups/raids hence all the positional attacks. If you want to solo most of the time  you should choose a Zerker or something for the MIT/DPS combo.Oh, and gear has alot to do with a classes performance no matter which one it is. I can tell a huge difference between they way I was with crafted gear versus my now almost fully fabled self (armor wise anyway). I researched this class before I even chose it and knew I'd be grouping alot more than soloing based solely on the CA's listed. I did a huge amount of soloing at lower levels and it was really tough. Never wanted it to be easy because it wouldnt have been any fun. Stick it out and when you hit the higher levels you will see that things change.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/fatbastard69/Tag2.jpg"></P>

[evilpants]

<P>You're kidding about the reason Assassins get played it they have a cool sounding name right? DPS a dime a dozen? Ok look, DPS might be a dime a dozen but not T1 DPS and certainly not parse topping DPS. It takes a balance of skill, gear and Master/AD3 CA's to run with the big dogs and no dime a dozen DPS toon has all 3. I wasnt even going to post again but those comments felt like a slap in the face.</P> <P><IMG src="http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/fatbastard69/Tag2.jpg"></P>

[darkdama]

<P>Well I certainly never said we suck. I like playing my assassin  a lot. They have a very specific job to do and the class is capable of doing it well.</P> <P>Having said that.</P> <P>If there was a contest that was a race to level with the condition that you could never group. Would you choose an Assassin?</P> <P>I doubt it.</P>

[judged_one]

Assassin is fine atm.Solo: I don't mind not being the best solo class in the game. When you do T1 DPS, you can't expect to be top soloer.Also I dont have any problem soloing anything up to a 3up white. 1 thing I learned, is our defensive stance. I never really use that stance in t6 or t5. But I manage to get a master of the t7 stance, and it works very well. Just put on defensive stance and get the HO swindler luck going and you will be fine. Between Vit Poison, cheap shot, Root and our stifle there shouldn't be a lot of problem soloing anything blue 3 up or below.I also have a 70 warden, while it is true that warden can solo slightly better and have more a greater chance of surviving adds, it takes forever to kill anything. I can kill a name in sos with an assassin in less then 1 min. Usually it takes about 4-5 min to kill anything big with my warden. And it is a pain in the butt to root and nuke.Group: Honestly, I don't think anyone can outdps us here, unless it is group + warlock. At least with guildies, most mobs are dead before a wizard have a chance to cast their 3rd spell. And if they drop IN or Fusion on the pull they are dead. With hate transfer we almost have no limit on how much we want to burst. Raid: Conjuror and Necro is out of whack. But otherwise we are doing pretty good here too. Only time I get consistebly out parsed in zone is lyceum with these mutli-multi-multi hereoic mobs. But I don't mind it.I hope SOE will keep assassin where we are and adjust some of the other class. I hope they give Ranga, SK , Pally, Wizard a little boost. And reduce warlock aggro problem. Check out the AA lines and balance that a bit, and we should be pretty close.<p>Message Edited by judged_one on <span class=date_text>10-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 AM</span>

[Tolwynn]

Despite what people say, Assassins do in fact solo well. Yes, we do not solo as well as some of the other classes, but I have found no problems. I solo'd most of my levels, before and after changes. One thing you can do if you wish to solo more than group/raid etc is respec your aa's. The second ability in the agility line gives you a second stun, albeit not as well as Cheap Shot but still very effective. I recently respec'd and tryed it. Not the greatest in the world but if soloing is your thing, I would reccommend it. Another thing you can do is use those Vitality poisons and also get you the breast piece from Ruins of Varsoon. Right click lifetap proc. Better gear always makes things easier. Solo'ing for us takes alot of dancing and paitence. You have to know when and what. Prime example would be the Monk pebble trials. I can easily finish the kill 100 in 30 minutes and a majority of those teracotta's parry Decap and KB. It is all about knowing the mob and what to do. <div></div>

[Sarkoris]

<P>I noticed a lot of the discussion about soloing well has centered around taking heroic/named encounters. This has then been countered that certain classes can kill these mobs quicker/more reliably. To me this misses the point. Soloing is gaining experience at an acceptable rate or completing quests flagged as solo at the appropriate level. Basically being able to kill solo mobs, including groups of mobs flagged as suitable for an individual.</P> <P>And in this regard I think Assassins have no real issues as a solo class. As with all things gear can play a large part but in normal gameplay I can endlessly kill blue solo mobs while in offensive stance and slightly higher level solo mobs  I switch to defensive and have minimal downtime.</P> <P>To me this is the real definition of how well a class can solo, not the highest level heroic you can kill.</P> <P>Sark on behalf of Slaene.</P>

[Forsaken Falc]

Any othere MMO or RPG Assassin's relie on Agi/Dex to solo well. However in the world of SOE agi = utterly useless (reguardless of what there manuel state's). Allso it only get's harder to solo at higher lvl's not easyer as some would claime.

[Bjerde]

This will be changing in EoF. Agility will once more mean something.<div></div>

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>Forsaken Falcon wrote:<div></div>Any othere MMO or RPG Assassin's relie on Agi/Dex to solo well. However in the world of SOE agi = utterly useless (reguardless of what there manuel state's). Allso it only get's harder to solo at higher lvl's not easyer as some would claime.<hr></blockquote>not true.. at lvl 70 i can autoattack kill a yellow con ^, and with CA's easily kill a blue ^^^... in low lvls i could barely take a blue/white/yellow group that all had down arrows, and could never solo heroics of any type.  its bound to be easier to solo at higher lvls just because you have literally 10-15x the amount of combat arts at your disposal.<div></div>

[Forsaken Falc]

<DIV>not true.. at lvl 70 i can autoattack kill a yellow con ^, and with CA's easily kill a blue ^^^...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A non named encounter sure I belive that but named's......Yeh right......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh I forgot to mention W/O adept 3 or Higher I dout this class could stay alive Vs a green ^^^. If I'm fighting a ^^^ directly 10 lvls below Me they harderly get a hit in. However when most ppl refer to solo were on about named mob's why elles would We care? I mean it would be utterly moronic to solo un-named ^^ or ^^^ @ max lvl to farm while You can destroy normal con's or downer's X10 faster and earn the same amount....</DIV><p>Message Edited by Forsaken Falcon on <span class=date_text>10-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 PM</span>