If you could who would you take and why.

[Sarkoris]

<DIV>If you had the chance to form the perfect group to maximise your dps which classes would you pick and why.  The only criteria I specify in the choices are that your group has to be self sufficient. No stacking it with proccing support classes without having a healer. How would your choice change between a standard grinding group (other than obviously including a tank) and a raid setup.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So something along the lines of:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assassin (self).</DIV> <DIV>Troubador (reason why).</DIV> <DIV>Fury (explain why you picked this class of healer over another).</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Group:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Assassin (self).</DIV> <DIV>Tank (which type do you prefer and why).</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV>Etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am just curious as to what people think helps them the most DPS wise. Feel free to also list any classes you don't like being grouped with and why. Why someone prefer a certain type of healer, or dislike a certain class of tank in a group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My assassin is only an alt so I will rarely if ever be in a position to setup the perfect raid group, but I am in a position to form my own group for quests etc and would be curious as to what the more experienced Assassins look for to max DPS without endangering survivabilty.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance for any input.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sark on behalf of Slaene.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edited for spelling/clarity.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sarkoris on <span class=date_text>08-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 AM</span>

[K'aldar]

<u>Raid</u> Assassin - me Illusionist - attk speed Fury - single target buffs Dirge - buffs and dps mod Berserker - attk speed, dps mod, str Brigand - just to make sure the raid had one to uberize my dps. <u>Group</u> same setup, why not <div></div>

[Sarkoris]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> K'aldar wrote:<BR><U>Raid</U><BR>Assassin - me<BR>Illusionist - attk speed<BR>Fury - single target buffs<BR>Dirge - buffs and dps mod<BR>Berserker - attk speed, dps mod, str<BR>Brigand - just to make sure the raid had one to uberize my dps.<BR><BR><U>Group</U><BR>same setup, why not<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So in that group you would put the hate buff on the Berserker I presume. For the Illusionist is attack speed the same as haste, and if so does it stack with item haste and what sort of haste can you achieve in this setup. Sorry if my questions are a bit basic, but my background is as a Necromancer main. Even though my Assassin is level 70 my main experience with him has been solo and some grouping, just starting to begin raiding.</P> <P>Thanks for the input.</P> <P>Sark.</P>

[Facedown]

Group would be setup like this..Assassin - MeBerserker - speed, str, plus decent dps so he can hold aggroCoercer - dps mod (can cap 100% easy) plus CC/in combat regenDefiler -  my main is a 70 defiler, plus I love their wards / group str buff.Monk - haste, group feign, emergency healDirge - always need a bard----------------------------With this group you can very very easily obtain 100dps mod and over 60% haste every fight, depends on your gear too. My auto attack with the above group was pumping out 350-400 dps at 62 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />As far as a raid I dont know because, ive never raided with my assassin, hes just an alt.<div></div>

[Skratttt]

<hr size="2" width="100%">This for a non MT group in raidMeZerk (dps/haste buff, str to take you to cap)Illusionist (int boost, haste boost)Dirge (or trouby..less dps..but hate redux  for all non fighters<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )Fury or defiler......Wizzy (int/str buff, good proc...and they benefit from illusionist too)With this group i should have bout 72/66 dps most the time and 100/94% dps when zerk buff procs, overcap (meaning im less str gear dependant) str and really good int<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>

[Fahrenheig]

<div></div><div></div>There are lots of good options, I like alot of proc buff classes with good buffs to boot...Pally - nice buffs/group proc, can ammends you to decrease threat if really needed....Inq - nice buffs/dps mod/group proc/Fanatasism<span><span></span></span>Dirge - regen/proc/dps mod/stat buffs/tank songs, just depends on group for what they playWiz - Str int buff/procWarlock - 2 singe target proc buffs/int buffsAssassin - would prolly hate xfer Inq if I was pulling agro and can app pois the dirgeTheres lots of diff things you can have in group and still parce high, lots of people like having troub for hate decrease but I dont find it crucial..not like the inquisitor is going to pull agro even with your hate xfer so thats fine. With inq and dirge your dps mod will be about capped and I would rather have an extra proc from inq then dps from fury/zerker going to waste.  The haste from zerker is nice but if you are chaining CA's dps mod is what you need to most worry about for that aa between ca's and your str will be well past capped so that zerker buff isnt crucial so once again I would rather have an extra damage proc from the pally.I don't like the idea of a group based around one person though, wiz/warlock would benifit much more being with troub/illus for caster buffs/procs and dont get much from this group, but it would be uber for me <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Fahrenheight on <span class=date_text>08-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 AM</span>

[prochu]

<P>think that the raid have more dps what you so it is imposible make a perfect group only for you so i think that the best is</P> <P>-assassin(you)</P> <P>-illusionist(assassin have 66% dps mod so we dont need more but we need haste )</P> <P>-inquisitor(22 % dps mod and 1k hp single buff)</P> <P>-dps</P> <P>-dps</P> <P>-dps</P> <P>put transfer to inqui</P>

[thebigtime]

<div></div>Best possible raid dps group is going to hover around something like:Assassin- yeaFury- int, vim, agitateIllusionist- power regen, int, hasteInquisitor- dps, hpTroub- haste, power regen, de-aggroConjuror- mitigation, procThat is basically the best possible dps group, with any real level of gear this group should net you 100% haste, 95% dps, cap str, cap int, all perma. Dirges are very good as well, they give dps and have a nice proc buff (chimes) but the de-aggro song of troub is invaluable for any extreme dps.

[Salat]

<P>If you want to see alot of different ideas, on how to build a great dps group for raiding.  This thread pretty much covers it.  And alot of them are built with assassins, so should help you if thats what you looking for.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=110596" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=110596</A></P>

[Graton]

can't believe troubadour hasn't made the list yet in any of these setups, anyway...my favoriteassassintroubadour - hate debuff & don't kill the messenger buff , str / sta song tooillusionist - hasteinquisitor - dps modbrigandwizard - phoenix blade proc , str & int buffin this setup i'm at 100% haste / 95 % dps. the illusionist can also haste buff the brigand and give synergism to the wizard. i think the lack of people looking for troubs in the dps group here means people don't know what don't kill the messenger is. it raises crit chance on everything by 7.5%. honestly if i can get a group with an inquistor / troubadour, i'm pretty happy. sure the rest is nice but those two classes really set me up.

[Bi]

<div></div>building a perfect raid group is much different to building the ultimate dps group for an assassin.. wasting buffs to buff one class generally means a small amount of gain in dps substituted for an entire slot who couldve been a pure dps class.eg: swap my brig/swash for an illu - great except you drop 600+ dps by doing that.. (and that is IF your illu is doing 600+dps...)first up  -  you are going to have hate issues, so you will want a troub - you will also need a healer.Furies are great healers to have for their quick heals and awesome single target buffs. their buffs arent as good as inq's tho (imo) but they have some nice int buffs.if your inq can use fanatacism (stun himself) then he should be swapped out for another dps cos he's deadweight imo. that leaves the single target dps buffs... Sadly some healers still dont know what a dps mod does. One inq I know in a top guild was putting the dps mod on wizards (for the dps boost -cry-) I explained what autoattack does, and now i (as the assassin) dont get it over the fighter (cos it boosts melee dps.. sigh) but i digress..If you have a troub in your group any fighter is a waste of a the hate reducer, so unless you have a forced group (not in this situation) there shouldnt be a fighter in there, just dps.Wizards are great for their INT and STR buffs. If you weren't at the cap, you are now. Add in a handy proc to boot, and its rather nice. ele resistsConj- Ember seed heat proc and a mitigation buff, as well as extra elemental resists<div></div>or Warlock - Malignant Grasp poison proc nox resistsBrig/Swash as last to make use of the 2 mage's procs. I dont really have  a personal preference as neither add anything particularly amazing to a group, although more than a ranger.So...AssaTroubInq (or Fury if not avail)WizardConj/WarlockBrig/SwashFor a group....Generally speaking endgame - any tank can tank any content, so you are looking for quick kills which means high dps - the best mitigator with the best dps is a zerk (imo) followed by a brawler. I find bruisers better tanks, but monks do pretty well as well... After that Paladins (amends is nice if you have a sorc who likes to nuke on the pull) then guards then SKs.Healer - same same. as long as they can keep the group alive its all good. Inq's have similar dps to Furies nowadays (shaem really druids used to get good dps to make up for all their failings)Regen - Illus for haste and mez if necessary, also can proc the mages2 mages. Wiz + conj/nec  warlocks have too many hate issues generally speaking.So..zerkInq (or fury)IlluWizConj/NecAssa<p>Message Edited by bieb on <span class=date_text>08-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 AM</span>

[Kimage]

<P>Guard ( cuz I know the one I group with can handle it )</P> <P>Dirge ( DUH!! ITS A DIRGE! )</P> <P>Assassin ( me )</P> <P>Mezzer ( for the extra haste )</P> <P>Defiler ( *cough* look at sig *cough* )</P> <P>Wizzy or Warlock ( int buffs )</P>

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>Sarkoris wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> K'aldar wrote:<u>Raid</u>Assassin - meIllusionist - attk speedFury - single target buffsDirge - buffs and dps modBerserker - attk speed, dps mod, strBrigand - just to make sure the raid had one to uberize my dps.<u>Group</u>same setup, why not <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>So in that group you would put the hate buff on the Berserker I presume. For the Illusionist is attack speed the same as haste, and if so does it stack with item haste and what sort of haste can you achieve in this setup. Sorry if my questions are a bit basic, but my background is as a Necromancer main. Even though my Assassin is level 70 my main experience with him has been solo and some grouping, just starting to begin raiding.</p> <p>Thanks for the input.</p> <p>Sark.</p><hr></blockquote>yeah sorry i meant haste, and it does stack with item haste.  atm i use a belt that gives 23% haste and with this group i'm always capped.  23 from the belt, 65 from the illus, 28 i believe from the zerker.  <div></div>

[K'aldar]

<blockquote><hr>Facedown wrote:Group would be setup like this..Assassin - MeBerserker - speed, str, plus decent dps so he can hold aggroCoercer - dps mod (can cap 100% easy) plus CC/in combat regenDefiler -  my main is a 70 defiler, plus I love their wards / group str buff.Monk - haste, group feign, emergency healDirge - always need a bard----------------------------With this group you can very very easily obtain 100dps mod and over 60% haste every fight, depends on your gear too. My auto attack with the above group was pumping out 350-400 dps at 62 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />As far as a raid I dont know because, ive never raided with my assassin, hes just an alt.<div></div><hr></blockquote>switch the dirge with a troub or an illusionist with the coercer and you can get 100% haste/dps mod<div></div>

[Fahrenheig]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Graton wrote:i think the lack of people looking for troubs in the dps group here means people don't know what don't kill the messenger is. it raises crit chance on everything by 7.5%. honestly if i can get a group with an inquistor / troubadour, i'm pretty happy. sure the rest is nice but those two classes really set me up.<hr></blockquote>All non idiot bards should have dont kill the messenger, its from AA, not troub only.  I dont need the hate reduction from troub and dirge has more to offer melee dps classes.</div><p>Message Edited by Fahrenheight on <span class=date_text>08-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:15 AM</span>

[Dragonsviperz]

<P> </P> <P>Me - Cuz I'm [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing uber</P> <P>Troub - regen, hate, stats, haste, AE avoid, and DKTM </P> <P>Fury - Agitate, Vim, stats, and healing </P> <P>Wizzy - STR/INT buff, proc</P> <P>Illutionist - haste, regen, INT</P> <P>Skratch - Meh, guess he can have some of my uber buffs</P> <P>STR - capped                                       DPS - will be 100% with Agitate proc</P> <P>AGI - Close to 500                                Haste - will be 100% with Illu buff, troub buff, and Agitate proc</P> <P>STA - Around 420 </P> <P>INT - capped</P> <P>WIS - who cares</P> <P>With those buffs on me, I would be able to put on that crap reward from killing Chel'Drak and lower my reuse timers by 5% ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] so much!!)</P> <P>Thats my dream dps group. You can switch out anyone for Skratch, doesn't matter.</P>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dragonsviperz wrote:<div></div> <p>Me - Cuz I'm [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing uber</p> <p>Troub - regen, hate, stats, haste, AE avoid, and DKTM </p> <p>Fury - Agitate, Vim, stats, and healing </p> <p>Wizzy - STR/INT buff, proc</p> <p>Illutionist - haste, regen, INT</p> <p>Skratch - Meh, guess he can have some of my uber buffs</p> <p>STR - capped                                       DPS - will be 100% with Agitate proc</p> <p>AGI - Close to 500                                Haste - will be 100% with Illu buff, troub buff, and Agitate proc</p> <p>STA - Around 420 </p> <p>INT - capped</p> <p>WIS - who cares</p> <p>With those buffs on me, I would be able to put on that crap reward from killing Chel'Drak and lower my reuse timers by 5% ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] so much!!)</p> <p>Thats my dream dps group. You can switch out anyone for Skratch, doesn't matter.</p><hr></blockquote>i thought the fury haste / dps proc buff was single target and they couldn't keep up more than one in a group. given that i would think an inquisitor would fit this group better than a fury. with an inquis both you and skratch would be at 93% dps - fiendish villainy + inquis dps buff  on both of you.  you'd also both be at 100% haste assuming 23% haste item + enchanter haste + bard haste.i mean i would think 2 assassins at 93% dps permanently is better than one at 66% and one proccing up to 100%.  i guess you'd lose the fury int. buff though. just curious if you'd ever considerd inq here instead of fury.</div>

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>We have had an Inq or a fury, but personally I like the INT buffs. Well...an Inq would be better if Skratch and I were in the same group because he would just [Removed for Content] Agitate <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So yea an Inq would be a bit better then a Fury. I guess it would be wise to buy some Grandmaster Potions of Intellect.</DIV>

[Sirlutt]

RaidMeZerkerInquis WarlockIllusionistDirgealso dont mind swapping in :FuryWizardMonkGroup:doesnt matter.. nothing stays alive very long.<div></div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dragonsviperz wrote:<div></div> <div>We have had an Inq or a fury, but personally I like the INT buffs. Well...an Inq would be better if Skratch and I were in the same group because he would just [Removed for Content] Agitate <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So yea an Inq would be a bit better then a Fury. I guess it would be wise to buy some Grandmaster Potions of Intellect.</div><hr></blockquote>you should already be carrying those. shame shame, no literbox changing for you this week.</div>

[Sarkoris]

<DIV> <P>Thanks, I was pretty much on the right track but nice to see it from the professionals point of view. It was also interesting to see the diffierent stances on inq/fury etc. </P> <P>Thanks again.</P> <P>Sark on behalf of Slaene.</P></DIV>

[scivias]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Sarkoris wrote:<div> <p>It was also interesting to see the diffierent stances on inq/fury etc. </p></div><hr></blockquote>T'was interesting to me too ^.^ Of course I prefer the inquisitor, but it's actualy nice to see others say likewise.ps: someone mentioned 22% dps .. thats ad1 .. master is 30%, group haste is 58% with m1.With the increased base damage for priests an inquisitor does a fairly good melee char himself, too. Highest dps for my inquisitor was 950 in ascent x2</div><p>Message Edited by scivias on <span class=date_text>08-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:02 AM</span>