Serious question for end game assassins.

[jumpmaster12]

Anyone else seeing a problem with swash and brig double attack being far more powerful than it should be? Or know when this might be getting fixed? Tired of staying up at 2k or so DPS on most mob encounters just to find out at the end of the night the total parse shows them outdoing me by 200 or more damage

[MystaSkrat]

Show me a full zone parse where the brigs are a couple hundred DPS ahead of you and we'll go from there :smileytongue:

[jumpmaster12]

Deathtoll 18/08/06Allies: (35:33) 35113709 | 16462.12 [Isho-Decapitate-18348]Ceriaton -- Damage 2581260 -- EXTDPS 1210.16 -- CRITS 833 -- HEALED 0 -- SwashyNormack -- Damage 2487878 -- EXTDPS 1166.38 -- CRITS 1145 -- HEALED 20139 -- MonkFuryk -- Damage 2428750 -- EXTDPS 1138.65 -- CRITS 617 -- HEALED 0 -- BrigandApproved -- Damage 2388041 -- EXTDPS 1119.57 -- CRITS 344 -- HEALED 1210 -- RangerIsho -- Damage 2298351 -- EXTDPS 1077.52 -- CRITS 483 -- HEALED 0 -- AssassinRhasa -- Damage 2058717 -- EXTDPS 965.17 -- CRITS 399 -- HEALED 3995 -- ConjurorKall -- Damage 1994619 -- EXTDPS 935.12 -- CRITS 290 -- HEALED 9316 -- DirgeEyost -- Damage 1956711 -- EXTDPS 917.35 -- CRITS 163 -- HEALED 2894 -- WarlockDarton -- Damage 1903788 -- EXTDPS 892.54 -- CRITS 452 -- HEALED 10186 -- GuardianJonwa -- Damage 1802503 -- EXTDPS 845.06 -- CRITS 1075 -- HEALED 17563 -- MonkAthieren -- Damage 1756509 -- EXTDPS 823.49 -- CRITS 605 -- HEALED 63340 -- NecromancerThunderfoot -- Damage 1739211 -- EXTDPS 815.38 -- CRITS 599 -- HEALED 12211 -- BruiserStaraya -- Damage 1692800 -- EXTDPS 793.62 -- CRITS 294 -- HEALED 233 -- ConjurorDarkimus -- Damage 1431185 -- EXTDPS 670.97 -- CRITS 1610 -- HEALED 18389 -- ShadowknightPidgin -- Damage 1400056 -- EXTDPS 656.38 -- CRITS 209 -- HEALED 7318 -- DirgeRemy -- Damage 1320455 -- EXTDPS 619.06 -- CRITS 173 -- HEALED 5678 -- CoercerVylia -- Damage 1099560 -- EXTDPS 515.50 -- CRITS 51 -- HEALED 0 -- IllusionistVina -- Damage 1024271 -- EXTDPS 480.20 -- CRITS 191 -- HEALED 0 -- TroubadorRaago -- Damage 533788 -- EXTDPS 250.25 -- CRITS 32 -- HEALED 221869 -- FuryThornja -- Damage 413408 -- EXTDPS 193.82 -- CRITS 32 -- HEALED 299666 -- WardenTophu -- Damage 350732 -- EXTDPS 164.43 -- CRITS 125 -- HEALED 260010 -- DefilerNermal -- Damage 310639 -- EXTDPS 145.63 -- CRITS 149 -- HEALED 255372 -- InquisitorRapack -- Damage 110000 -- EXTDPS 51.57 -- CRITS 18 -- HEALED 411022 -- TemplarShammi -- Damage 0 -- EXTDPS 0.00 -- CRITS 0 -- HEALED 96352 -- Mystic This is from last night. I chose DT raid parse since labs is always lower for all. This is only for the trash mobs no named encounters involved. I was blasting every CA I could and getting jesters hat all night. I was using Wurm main hand and Oblivions edge in off for half of raid and then had Talonsreach in off hand. AA line is Str and Sta so I have steady dps for one mob and multi mob encounters vs just high on single mob encounters. I hit 1800 plus for a good majority of the night on parses.

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jumpmaster12 wrote:<BR><BR> I hit 1800 plus for a good majority of the night on parses.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Then why isn't your average ext dps closer to 1800?  Also, why not include named fights?  I'll run ACT later and see if I can find our last DT parse, but I dunno why you'd exlude the named encounters.  What's your STR and INT when you raid?  What about your haste and dps mods?  What weapons are you using, and what poisons?  And the same questions apply to the rogues.  I assume you have 50 AAs with 44488STR 4448INT<BR>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jumpmaster12 wrote:<BR>Deathtoll 18/08/06<BR><BR>Allies: (35:33) 35113709 | 16462.12 [Isho-Decapitate-18348]<BR>Ceriaton -- Damage 2581260 -- EXTDPS 1210.16 -- CRITS 833 -- HEALED 0 -- Swashy<BR>Normack -- Damage 2487878 -- EXTDPS 1166.38 -- CRITS 1145 -- HEALED 20139 -- Monk<BR>Furyk -- Damage 2428750 -- EXTDPS 1138.65 -- CRITS 617 -- HEALED 0 -- Brigand<BR>Approved -- Damage 2388041 -- EXTDPS 1119.57 -- CRITS 344 -- HEALED 1210 -- Ranger<BR>Isho -- Damage 2298351 -- EXTDPS 1077.52 -- CRITS 483 -- HEALED 0 -- Assassin<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is our last DT run, on Monday (but it's every fight)</P> <P>(56:10) 44505240 | 13,206.30<BR>Skratch 4321985 | 1,282.49 | 1771  assassin<BR>Nooch 3485132 | 1,034.16 | 573   necro<BR>Falcogen 3472069 | 1,030.29 | 338   wizard<BR>Tigruz 3235001 | 959.94 | 1150   assassin<BR>Zaphear 3054797 | 906.47 | 714  brigand<BR>Tangarth 2948777 | 875.01 | 991  brigand<BR>Flauros 2904670 | 861.92 | 687  necro<BR>Calaglin 2611112 | 774.81 | 515   illusionist<BR></P> <P>You're using a 35 minute parse of just trash mobs like it's suppose to mean something.  Also, I just realized you said STA line over INT line.  Compare your crits (483) to mine (1771).  Think about that</P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jumpmaster12 wrote:<BR>Deathtoll 18/08/06<BR><BR>Allies: (35:33) 35113709 | 16462.12 [Isho-Decapitate-18348]<BR>Ceriaton -- Damage 2581260 -- EXTDPS 1210.16 -- CRITS 833 -- HEALED 0 -- Swashy<BR>Normack -- Damage 2487878 -- EXTDPS 1166.38 -- CRITS 1145 -- HEALED 20139 -- Monk<BR>Furyk -- Damage 2428750 -- EXTDPS 1138.65 -- CRITS 617 -- HEALED 0 -- Brigand<BR>Approved -- Damage 2388041 -- EXTDPS 1119.57 -- CRITS 344 -- HEALED 1210 -- Ranger<BR>Isho -- Damage 2298351 -- EXTDPS 1077.52 -- CRITS 483 -- HEALED 0 -- Assassin<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is our last DT run, on Monday (but it's every fight)</P> <P>(56:10) 44505240 | 13,206.30<BR>Skratch 4321985 | 1,282.49 | 1771  assassin<BR>Nooch 3485132 | 1,034.16 | 573   necro<BR>Falcogen 3472069 | 1,030.29 | 338   wizard<BR>Tigruz 3235001 | 959.94 | 1150   assassin<BR>Zaphear 3054797 | 906.47 | 714  brigand<BR>Tangarth 2948777 | 875.01 | 991  brigand<BR>Flauros 2904670 | 861.92 | 687  necro<BR>Calaglin 2611112 | 774.81 | 515   illusionist<BR></P> <P>You're using a 35 minute parse of just trash mobs like it's suppose to mean something.  Also, I just realized you said STA line over INT line.  Compare your crits (483) to mine (1771).  Think about that</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In my defense, I died alot because I had no troub...and a shortbus group... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P>But yea...STA line is not a good line at all for dps. 483 crits is crap. If you want to do dps go to the INT line and your crits will more then double.</P>

[Sirlutt]

i noticed it alot on HoS last night .. i was in a less than optimal group (me, Ranger and a Necro to start with then a mystic added later) and averaging about 900-1300 .. the brigand who was in a nice group was dead on 1100-1400 every fight.. usually about 1200.. I'd still be way above him in that same group with the usual buffs on me though..<div></div>

[oldie]

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[Graton]

<blockquote><hr>jumpmaster12 wrote:Anyone else seeing a problem with swash and brig double attack being far more powerful than it should be? Or know when this might be getting fixed? Tired of staying up at 2k or so DPS on most mob encounters just to find out at the end of the night the total parse shows them outdoing me by 200 or more damage<hr></blockquote>i'm very occasionally beaten by swashies on multi-mob encounters but if it's a group of 3 or fewer it's no contest. sure they do great dmg, they should, but ours is better. also if you are up at 2k dps on most fights why is your zone-wide number 1100 ? seems like you are only remembering the fights where you hit near 2k and forgetting others.also, stamina is a bad choice for us i believe. malignant mark is such a huge percentage of our dmg that making it crit over half the time is going to do more dmg than a chance to auto attack multiple mobs.<div></div>

[khufure]

Respec your AAs as others have mentioned.  Make sure you use caustic poison (or adeste's); if you are switching to mental breach for named fights you need to get manastone 1/2 and shard/heart along with a troub.  The key point - you shouldn't be switching poisons unless the other scouts also have to switch.  And by the time this happens all the mages but the summoners will be dry of power.Timmeh / Nektulos server<div></div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>khufure wrote:Respec your AAs as others have mentioned.  Make sure you use caustic poison (or adeste's); if you are switching to mental breach for named fights you need to get manastone 1/2 and shard/heart along with a troub.  The key point - you shouldn't be switching poisons unless the other scouts also have to switch.  And by the time this happens all the mages but the summoners will be dry of power.Timmeh / Nektulos server<div></div><hr></blockquote>and buy some clarity potions. i think the non rare ones are fine. they give you 200 mana or so over 30 seconds. their recast isn't great but on long fights if you use the first one pretty early you can get it off twice. definately get manastone as that's 100 mana every minute and get shards / hearts. if you have a clarity potion, a necro heart & summoner shard plus the manastone you should be able to keep caustic up pretty much all the time.</div>

[judged_one]

Our Swashy 2:04:16 AM 01:11:11 5485535 0 1281.67 8688 81910 on a bad day in DT. He is awesome. He parses from 1600-2000 on average. I beat him is on single or double encounter(50/50), anything more I lose.I think our reduction in aoe range and 8 max targets really sucks.Here is what I am seeing:Single encounter (less than 1 min)Assassin Brigand ConjurorSwashyWizardWarlockRangerGroup encounter (less than 1 min)ConjurorSwashyAssassin WarlockRangerBrigandAnything over 2 min Usually Conjuror has the advantage, unless they lose their pet to aoeI wish they make a function that you can toggle between caustic and mental, It is such a waste to switch when you are at like 56 charges left.Otherwise I am pretty happy with assassin right now,PS SOE please put eyes on weird looking mob, so we can tell which way they are facing :bCause it is really hard to tell which is the head of a bottle, or a crumbling wall.