Untreated Bleeding finally crits

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>Yay!  With LU25 they made it so Termination Effects (Blooming Flames, Untreated Bleeding, etc.) have a chance to crit now.  Up until tonight, I've never seen one crit on my parser.. I didn't notice anything in the patch notes, but whoever fixed it has my thanks anyway :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/terminationcrits.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blooming Flames 5/7 and Untreated Bleeding 4/8.  This is just the 3 trash encounters before Gorenaire and Gore himself, merged together.</DIV>

[Skratttt]

Huzaaa <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> finally!!<div></div>

[BigAnaCon]

<DIV>long time is gone... its time for changes, yay nice one :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Untreated Bleeding crits now its possible ? oh my god thats so nice *jump around /thumbs up</DIV>

[Griffona]

What are your Crit Rates at Scratch?  I'm assuming17% Melee = 14% AA + 2% MoA + 1% natural53% Spell = 52% AA + 1% MeleeAccording to your Parse Your Crit Rates were, on CA's that you used enough times to bother counting Were interesting....See belowWhat I find odd is that Deadly Wound and Flowing Wound/Untreated Bleed Crit Markedly more often than normal CA's and Piercing....But not at the rate of Poison/Mark.None of the CA's that are supposed to Use Melee Crit Rates are as high as deadly/flowing wound.....yet the two DoT's don't really approach the 52% either.  Oddly enough Cloaked Assault isn't critting at either Melee or spell crit rates according to this parse...but you didn't use it much..Maybe now that Untreated Bleeding is fixed you could merge the next few nights parses so we have a bigger sample of all CA's and examine if crit rates normalize across time more appropriately?Piercing                     22%<b>Agonizing Pain          70%</b><b>Caustic Poison         64%</b>Puncture Blade         24%<b>Deadly Wound          33%Flowing Wound         33%Untreated Bleeding    50%</b>Cloaked Assault         8%Masked Attack           19%Slaughersault             25% (not really enough hits, but included to compare with Cloaked Assault)<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Not much to raid today other than the Matron, dunno how much info you'd gain from that :smileytongue:  Deadly wound and Flowing wound might be critting more due to the DoT part of it critting, I dunno (even 15% on the DoTs is more than the 0% on the 0 DoTs things like PB get).  Next time we do a couple runs through a raid zone I'll keep the overall parses.  Didn't have a troub either, so those are pretty much all "solo" crit chances.

[Griffona]

<div></div>well it should normalize with a bigger parse sample I'm talking about merging a whole weeks worth of encounters.regardless of the DoT portion....if it has a 17% chance or a 53% chance.....no matter when you calculate that % is should happen 17% or 53% of the time...or pretty close.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Griffonage on <span class=date_text>07-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:43 AM</span>

[Griffona]

On the plus side for you, all your skills seem to be critting at a higher rate...most of your CA's are critting over 20%....interesting huh.<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Griffonage wrote:<BR> well it should normalize with a bigger parse sample I'm talking about merging a whole weeks worth of encounters.<BR> <P> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Right.  And my point is I can't do that until I run through some zones, because taking ones from this past week won't include termination crits.

[Griffona]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Griffonage wrote: <div></div>well it should normalize with a bigger parse sample I'm talking about merging a whole weeks worth of encounters. <hr> </blockquote>Right.  And my point is I can't do that until I run through some zones, because taking ones from this past week won't include termination crits.<hr></blockquote>yeah we're on the same page......I'll quote myself cause that's always fun.... <blockquote>"Maybe now that Untreated Bleeding is fixed you could merge the next few nights parses so we have a bigger sample of all CA's and examine if crit rates normalize across time more appropriately?"</blockquote> </div>

[MystaSkrat]

Unfortunately that was also my point, that all the raid "zones" are locked to me atm, so tonight we get to die to the Matron a lot!  So it might take a few days to get some concrete info unless someone else wants to throw up a parse for now... I'll get one sooner or later.

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>Tommorow Labs and Lyceum are open so we can do some real testing to see this good fix in effect. But from the looks of it so far it has been fixed and I'm sure every assassin is happy <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. It should increase our dps a little bit, but its better then nothing.</DIV>

[Skratttt]

<hr size="2" width="100%">Ok ......first off i think you allways run with a trouby in raids??? if they got DKTM u get 7% chance to crit addedSo that would be 24% for mele if you got DKTM, MoA, 1%, AAand at 71% for dot/spells with DKTM, 1% and AAthat would put your DD poison/Agonizing pain crits right wher they need to beGona log a 5 days of raiding and merge the encounters (post lu 25) to have an accurate view of crit chances of each skill post lu 25 (my gut feeling<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>We do, but that particular fight, I wasn't with him, I had Empathetic Link instead and was xfering to the Inq, also using GM Ignorant Bliss.. but no crit modifiers other than our AAs and MotA.</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<P>This is MO, DT, and HoS all combined, from before GU25.  Notice that Untreated Bleeding never crit.  I only had a troub for HoS I think, with the random crit potion here or there, so that might throw some of the % off.</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/mergedcrits.jpg"></P><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>07-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:06 AM</span>

[Foob]

<DIV>I appreciate the fact that Untreated Bleeding finally crits, but did anyone realize that everyone who posted in this thread has the little assassin icon.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Sorry, i found that interesting.</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<P>This is Princes, Lyceum, and Chal'Drak, all combined.  I'm too tired to go through and do all the crit % right now, but maybe Griffonage can do it later or something :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/princesLoAchaldrak.jpg"></P>

[Griffona]

Here Goes, Highlights are as follows.....<b></b><ul><li><b>DoT's are NOT Criting at 50+%</b> Except for the Untreated Bleeding Payload....</li><li>Finishing Blow & Jugular seem to be unaffected by STR line Crit....Slaughtersault too but the Slaughtersault sample size is small, by sheer observation Slaughtersault seems to crit alot for me...might need to test this on a more AoE intensive night/player.....Scratch seems to be inlove with cloaked Assault while neglecting slaughtersault. <span>:smileytongue:</span></li></ul> CA                        Crit Rate<font color="#00cc00"><b> Piercing                  17.6   ***Right where we expect it to be with MoA and STR AA</b></font><font color="#00cc00"></font><font color="#00cc00"><b> Agonizing Pain       54.5  *** Same here</b></font> Caustic Poison       46.0Cloaked Assault      25.7Killing Blade            25.0<font color="#ff0033">Finishing Blow        07.5   *UM?</font>Masked Attack        20.9Puncture Blade        21.6<font color="#0033ff">Deadly Wound        17.5   *clearly not criting Based on Toxic Expertise</font>Scraping Blow         17.2Eviscerate                24.7Decapitate                28.6Crippling Strike         18.6Freezing Strike         18.6<font color="#0033ff">Flowing Wound         21.5   </font><font color="#0033ff">*clearly not criting Based on Toxic Expertise</font><font color="#ff0033">Jugular                       02.8  * again, seems mighty low </font>Neck Shot                  03.4Swipe                        19.6<font color="#ff0033">Slaughtersault           05.4    </font>Spitting Asp               03.4Contrived Weapon    26.4           Flametongue              52.7   <font color="#33cc33">Untreated Bleeding    58.3   </font>   Fae Fires                   43.4     Assailing Blast           07.4Seed of Fire               64.6Destructive Force      50.0<div></div>

[Graton]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Griffonage wrote:Here Goes, Highlights are as follows.....<b></b><ul><li><b>DoT's are NOT Criting at 50+%</b> Except for the Untreated Bleeding Payload....</li><li>Finishing Blow & Jugular seem to be unaffected by STR line Crit....Slaughtersault too but the Slaughtersault sample size is small, by sheer observation Slaughtersault seems to crit alot for me...might need to test this on a more AoE intensive night/player.....Scratch seems to be inlove with cloaked Assault while neglecting slaughtersault. <span>:smileytongue:</span></li></ul> CA                        Crit Rate<font color="#00cc00"><b> Piercing                  17.6   ***Right where we expect it to be with MoA and STR AA</b></font><font color="#00cc00"></font><font color="#00cc00"><b> Agonizing Pain       54.5  *** Same here</b></font> Caustic Poison       46.0Cloaked Assault      25.7Killing Blade            25.0<font color="#ff0033">Finishing Blow        07.5   *UM?</font>Masked Attack        20.9Puncture Blade        21.6<font color="#0033ff">Deadly Wound        17.5   *clearly not criting Based on Toxic Expertise</font>Scraping Blow         17.2Eviscerate                24.7Decapitate                28.6Crippling Strike         18.6Freezing Strike         18.6<font color="#0033ff">Flowing Wound         21.5   </font><font color="#0033ff">*clearly not criting Based on Toxic Expertise</font><font color="#ff0033">Jugular                       02.8  * again, seems mighty low </font>Neck Shot                  03.4Swipe                        19.6<font color="#ff0033">Slaughtersault           05.4    </font>Spitting Asp               03.4Contrived Weapon    26.4           Flametongue              52.7   <font color="#33cc33">Untreated Bleeding    58.3   </font>   Fae Fires                   43.4     Assailing Blast           07.4Seed of Fire               64.6Destructive Force      50.0<div></div><hr></blockquote>jugular , finishing blow & slaughterslaught were used roughly 40 times each. that's way too small a sample size to conclude much of anything. agonizing pain and piercing hit about exact because there are so many in the sample. it's still curious though. i'll have to append together some data and take a look at finishing blow and the others.EDIT: Looking at the earlier parse from MO/DT/HoS Finishing blow critted 13 out of 76 and Jugular 13 out of 63. I think it's just small sample size variation.</div><p>Message Edited by Graton on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:31 AM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

I'll be honest with you guys about Slaughtersault... unless there's 4 or so mobs to hit it with, it's not worth the time it takes to go into stealth and then the 1.5 sec casting time.  I use Cloaked Assault a hell of a lot more because a) it does a lot more damage  b) it uses less power and c) faster casting time.  If I can go through my normal CAs with Concealment (which means it didn't lag, which happens a lot), and still have time, I'll use Slaughtersault.  But normally I won't... unless I'm sitting there with no other combat arts up.. and even then, it's probably more dps to just auto attack with 100% haste/dps mods.  Face it.. Slaughtersault is in pretty sad shape for it's reuse timer... kind of on par with Assailing Blast :smileyhappy:

[MystaSkrat]

<P>This is HoS, and I had a troub the whole time, never used any crit potions</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/HoS.jpg"></P>

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>This is HoS, and I had a troub the whole time, never used any crit potions</FONT></P> <HR> <P>Was your Troub using Don't Kill the Messanger AA skill, which adds 7.5% crit chance to both Melee and Spells??  That should make the results higher than normal....</P> <P> </P> <P>Opps, forgot you don't believe I know what I'm talking about...</P> <P></P> <HR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I still find it hard to beleive you know what you're talking about .........   I mean, at least do some research before you come here acting like you know what you're talking about</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>This is HoS, and I had a troub the whole time, never used any crit potions</FONT></P> <HR> <P>Was your Troub using Don't Kill the Messanger AA skill, which adds 7.5% crit chance to both Melee and Spells??  That should make the results higher than normal....</P> <P><EM><STRONG>Why else would I mention that I had a troub for?</STRONG></EM></P> <P>Opps, forgot you don't believe I know what I'm talking about...</P> <P></P> <HR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I still find it hard to beleive you know what you're talking about .........   I mean, at least do some research before you come here acting like you know what you're talking about</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> <P><EM><STRONG>You obviously don't know what you're talking about when you think an skill has a DoT when it doesn't.  Want to argue that one in your favor somehow?</STRONG></EM></P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Aienaa]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffff00>Why else would I mention that I had a troub for?</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Not all people choose the same AA skills, though most raiding troubs do take the Don't Kill the Messanger AA skill...  Your also assuming that everyone knows the Troub AA skills, which I am willing to bet that most do not...  And since it does effect your crit rate, it is probably an inportant piece of information that should be known when calculating crit rate and comparing to the Crit chances provided by the Assassin AA skills</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> <FONT color=#ffff00>You obviously don't know what you're talking about when you think an skill has a DoT when it doesn't.  Want to argue that one in your favor somehow?</FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Guess you missed it on the other thread when I said this.....  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>"Sorry, had the name switched with the other AOE, it's Cloaked Assault, our AOE attack that has a DOT attached to it..."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>But hey, guess that's ok cuz I am sure you have never made a mistake in your life....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</FONT></DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>If someone's reading this thread, and they can't put together that (I had a troub the whole time, and no crit potions) is referring to the troub's crit chances (you know, cuz it's directly contrasted in that sentence) then maybe it's not gonna matter if they read it or not.  I would assume you fall in that category since you seem to be the only person that needed it pointed it out in the thread.  And it's not that hard to edit a post, but I'm sure you'd rather just leave it saying how Slaughtersault DoT crits, woohoo.  Maybe one day I'll get my version that has a DoT too!  I don't know why you type out a bunch of crap and think it would be good to post it when it only makes yourself look bad, but keep at it.</DIV>

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>If someone's reading this thread, and they can't put together that (I had a troub the whole time, and no crit potions) is referring to the troub's crit chances (you know, cuz it's directly contrasted in that sentence) then maybe it's not gonna matter if they read it or not.  I would assume you fall in that category since you seem to be the only person that needed it pointed it out in the thread.  And it's not that hard to edit a post, but I'm sure you'd rather just leave it saying how Slaughtersault DoT crits, woohoo.  Maybe one day I'll get my version that has a DoT too!  I don't know why you type out a bunch of crap and think it would be good to post it when it only makes yourself look bad, but keep at it.</FONT></P> <HR> <P>Forgive me for not assuming that everyone knows the Bard AA skills...   I don't know, but I see lots of people asking various questions here alll the time, and most of them would be something that you and I would consider common knowledge...  So, no I am not going to assume that everyone knows that your troub has Don't Kill the Messanger which adds 7.5% to both melee and spell crits, especially considering that it was someone other than yourself that was calculating the %crits....</P> <P>As for going back and editing my posts to say Cloaked Assault rather than Slaughtersault, I did not feel it was necessary since I appoligized for making that mistake....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</P>