Which Poison to use.....

[Mollix]

I think the selection of red and blue posions is pretty easy and obvious for both raid and group settings. I know others disagree but in a raid I always go with the DoT red, and Turgur to decrease the DPS of the mob.The questions really becomes which purple poison is best on a raid?<font color="Red">Caustic Poison Red 1-7 Large upfront poison damage Hemotoxin Red 1-7 Damage over time Mental Breach Red 6-7 Power tap Vitality Breach Red 6-7 Health tap</font> <font color="Plum">Enfeebling Purple 6-7 STR, ranged, slashing, crushing, piercing debuff Cerebral Ebb Purple 7 INT, ministration, subjugation, ordination, disruption debuff Warding Ebb Purple 3-7 resist debuff Gracelessness Purple 6-7 AGI, parry, deflection, defense debuff</font> <font color="DeepSkyBlue">Turgur Blue 5-7 Attack speed debuff Fettering Blue 5-7 Movement speed debuff (snare) Ignorant Bliss Blue 5-7 Threat reduction</font>Would you debuff their resists to improve caster DPS, decrease their offense to further reduce damage, or decrease their defence to improve the raids DPS?<div></div>

[TwistedFaith]

Am I the only predator using Adestes still?

[MystaSkrat]

I can have Grandmaster's Caustic hit for over 1200 without it even being a crit... that owns Adeste's!

[Dragonsviperz]

I've had Grandmaster's Caustic hit around 1500 crit with 440 INT. So I think that pwns the Adeste's. Along with that poison I use Ignorant Bliss and Warding Ebb.

[Herculez]

Quick question, can purple and blue poisons be up on a mob at the same time?  Ive been using the defense debuff and atk speed slow and never see them on the mob at same time.  Also, when one pops, if the other is up it seems to drop instantly leading me to believe that only one can be on the mob at a time, though both poisons can be on your weapons at the same time.

[Recca[BK]]

raids i make sure the preds and rogues each use a diff debuff. caustic maybe mental breech for dmg. solo i use enfeebling and vitality.

[Jimmythehand]

So am I the only one who has to use GrandMaster Mental breach on those long and hard fights? I find that I'm oom way before the mobs dead if I don't use this. I would love for this not to be the case because it makes me feel like a lot of the points spent on the int line are for nothing.. But it just seems time and time again I'm having to switch back to Mental Breach. I will say I've never ran out of mana while using Mental Breach which in its own way is increasing my dps because I can non-stop keep using my ca's without fear of being oom. So as mentioned do many of you use Mental Breach or do you not have mana issues? Also I must say that the group configuration isnt always the best on our raids as we aren't a Major Raiding guild.. Thanks for any potential helpful info.. Solitaire 70 Assassin..

[Recca[BK]]

i use mental breach on fights longer than 3 or 4 min, any less that that you should have plenty of power. now im usualkly close to oom after fights, but the dmg drom caustic is well noticed. i usually do have some power regen class in my group so that does help. tugurs is not needed. if you have a dirge mystic defiler. any combo of 2 of them the mobs should be debuffed completely rendering the tugur debuff useless. save yourself a death or two and use ignorant bliss. you can do more dps withou thte fear.

[K'aldar]

in the avg fight i use grandmasters caustic, decrease threat, decrease agi on harder named i use caustic, decrease threat or haste debuff, decrease str or int depending on type of mob. on contested i use mental breach, haste debuff, decrease str or int depending on mob. <div></div>

[Zearo]

<DIV>Grandmaster's Caustic~</DIV>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mollix wrote:I think the selection of red and blue posions is pretty easy and obvious for both raid and group settings. I know others disagree but in a raid I always go with the DoT red, and Turgur to decrease the DPS of the mob.The questions really becomes which purple poison is best on a raid?<font color="Red">Caustic Poison Red 1-7 Large upfront poison damage Hemotoxin Red 1-7 Damage over time Mental Breach Red 6-7 Power tap Vitality Breach Red 6-7 Health tap</font> <font color="Plum">Enfeebling Purple 6-7 STR, ranged, slashing, crushing, piercing debuff Cerebral Ebb Purple 7 INT, ministration, subjugation, ordination, disruption debuff Warding Ebb Purple 3-7 resist debuff Gracelessness Purple 6-7 AGI, parry, deflection, defense debuff</font> <font color="DeepSkyBlue">Turgur Blue 5-7 Attack speed debuff Fettering Blue 5-7 Movement speed debuff (snare) Ignorant Bliss Blue 5-7 Threat reduction</font>Would you debuff their resists to improve caster DPS, decrease their offense to further reduce damage, or decrease their defence to improve the raids DPS?<div></div><hr></blockquote>i'd use threat decrease rather than turgurs and caustic poison destroys hemotoxin in terms of total dmg. it's not close. use a vial of one and parse. then switch and parse total poison dmg again. it won't be close.you should also be running a debuff poison when raiding. one scout should run ebb and another gracelessness. enfeebling doesn't do much so if there's a 3rd scout they can run it but the first two are the important ones.</div>

[13thSleeple]

<P>During raids I mostly use</P> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>Grand Master Caustic</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9933cc>Exceptional Warding Ebb</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33cc33>Grand Master Ignorant Bliss</FONT></P> <P>If of course, we are up against a long fight or a mob that drains power like the Crab or Fitzpizzle, I will swap to GM Mental Breach. </P> <P>For solo I use Vitality Breach, Warding Ebb and Essence of Turger. Mostly exceptional quality to save some money, leave the GM stuff for raiding.</P>

[Bi]

grandmasters caustic (or caustic if i'm being cheap)I carry all the purple, depending on what others are using.Ignorant Bliss (ftw!) usually I find that I'm fine with normal I.B. i use GMs on oranges or long fights tho - or if im not with a troub<div></div>

[Pantah]

<DIV>I use mostly Hemotoxin and stopped using Caustic all together. For some reason I  parser alot higher (Zone Merged) and it hits alot more often for me. I am full NightShade Int 88881....But remember  " To each his own" ...lol.. experiment and see what fits your style. The other colors I change dependent on Mob/ Group set up exc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zearo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pantah wrote:<BR> <DIV>I use mostly Hemotoxin and stopped using Caustic all together. For some reason I  parser alot higher (Zone Merged) and it hits alot more often for me. I am full NightShade Int 88881....But remember  " To each his own" ...lol.. experiment and see what fits your style. The other colors I change dependent on Mob/ Group set up exc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hemotoxin gets over-ridden next time the poison procs, I personally don't see how you would be able to parse higher with that.</P> <P>But I've never tried it so I wouldn't know, eh~</P>

[Pantah]

<P>I Parser higher becasue on long fights it almost gose a full duration where Caustic may only hit one twice or not at all....  I donno...I just know what works for me...  8o)  ..</P> <P>and if you've never tried it  mabe you should.... It mite work better for you also...</P>

[khufure]

<div><blockquote><hr>valleyboy1 wrote:Am I the only predator using Adestes still?<hr></blockquote>I asked the question on nektulos 60-69 which is better, adeste or caustic.  I expected it would be adeste's, unless there was a level-effect limiter.  (Adeste is 50, GM caustic is 62).  Surprisingly someone reasonable replied on 60-69 and told me Adeste's DOT resets when it procs a second time.  So besides crit-hitting higher it appears there is some controversy on Adeste's as well.That having been said I don't think it's that big of a difference. </div>

[Rahmn]

Over the zonewide parses I have seen, either Caustic or Hemo adds the same amount of damage.  I believe that Hemotoxin would be less efficient cause it gets over ridden by the next proc.