Wuhoo SOE way to go!

[Demonskill]

LU24:Scout changes:- Scout: Cheap Shot - Reduced power cost. Duration is 4s instead of 6s on standard or weaker opponents.- Ranger: Surveil - Range lowered to 35 meters from 50 meters. (i assume that's for assassin too)yay way to go SOE, you nerfing us our ONLY stun for soloing even shorter. O well, good news is, after so many nerfs, i don't feel much from 1 or 2 more nerfs

[twiddlethumb]

Aww, no more long range assassin pulling?<div></div>

[Demonskill]

nope, 1 less usefulness for us in raid out of a few now

[cuddlebear]

So there basically making there rounds in screwing over each class right?

[cuddlebear]

<P>Its bad enough trying to solo heroic mobs as a scout, but now they're nerfing our "cheap shot"? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]! so instead of having an extra 2 sec to possibley dealing a finishing blow to a mob, we have to some how evade the next attack or hope and pray they (mob) dont deliver the finishing blow to us. /turns on sarcastic comments " oh joy we get to die more and visit the mender more often! Woo Hoo! /turns off sarcastic comments Seriously though [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is with all the nerfs and upcoming nerfs?</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry for the ranting, just sick of SOE screwing us over while taking $20..no $25 from our accounts</P>

[Mastera]

Well, being on the pvp server, I would have traded +.5secs or +1sec in PvP for -2secs in PvE.  Its been said since beta, but they obviously don't care much for our solo ability in either department.Our only stun and one of the very few CC abilities we get is nerfed.Rangers got their new fancy dancy root outta the blue....I wonder whats on deck for us?<div></div>

[Recca[BK]]

<blockquote><hr>Masterage wrote:Well, being on the pvp server, I would have traded +.5secs or +1sec in PvP for -2secs in PvE.  Its been said since beta, but they obviously don't care much for our solo ability in either department.Our only stun and one of the very few CC abilities we get is nerfed.Rangers got their new fancy dancy root outta the blue....I wonder whats on deck for us?<div></div><hr></blockquote>we have a 12 sec root, and honestly 2 less sec on cheapshots means nothing, if you cant get a backstab off in 4 sec im not sure what you are doing. its tricky but you can pull a backstab off on heroic mobs. also no arrow solo mobs are rediculously easy for us.

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>we have a 12 sec root, and honestly 2 less sec on cheapshots means nothing, if you cant get a backstab off in 4 sec im not sure what you are doing. its tricky but you can pull a backstab off on heroic mobs. also no arrow solo mobs are rediculously easy for us.</FONT> </P> <P> </P> <P>Who said we were only getting off 1 backstab during our 6 second stun??  reguardless of if you want to face it or not, it will decrease our solo DPS....</P> <P>While at it.... What good is the 12 second root??  We can't backstab it.... Are we suposed to drop back and hit it with our only bow shot that will hit from the front for a loss of DPS because we can hit just as hard with our auto-attack?....  Sorry, but the only use for our root attack while soloing is from the damage it gives....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[Mythor]

1 high positional dmg less <span>:smileysad:</span> not that fine<div></div>

[Mastera]

<div><blockquote><hr>Recca[BK] wrote:<blockquote><hr>Masterage wrote:Well, being on the pvp server, I would have traded +.5secs or +1sec in PvP for -2secs in PvE.  Its been said since beta, but they obviously don't care much for our solo ability in either department.Our only stun and one of the very few CC abilities we get is nerfed.Rangers got their new fancy dancy root outta the blue....I wonder whats on deck for us?<div></div><hr></blockquote>we have a 12 sec root, and honestly 2 less sec on cheapshots means nothing, if you cant get a backstab off in 4 sec im not sure what you are doing. its tricky but you can pull a backstab off on heroic mobs. also no arrow solo mobs are rediculously easy for us.<hr></blockquote>As said above...our root has limited use....and....where did I say that I can't get a backstab off in 4sec?Bottom line...I understand the Assassin's role and us only having one stun.... I would just like to have that one stun be <i>an effective stun</i>.  ATM thats not the case in PvP, and our PvE was just taken down a bit.</div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Demonskiller wrote:LU24:Scout changes:- Scout: Cheap Shot - Reduced power cost. Duration is 4s instead of 6s on standard or weaker opponents.- Ranger: Surveil - Range lowered to 35 meters from 50 meters. (i assume that's for assassin too)yay way to go SOE, you nerfing us our ONLY stun for soloing even shorter. O well, good news is, after so many nerfs, i don't feel much from 1 or 2 more nerfs<hr></blockquote>i remember thinking the other day how much pride i had in the fact that our class board is not littered with 'woe is me' , this class is better, irritating whiney rants... no longer.the cheap shot change means nothing. no wait, that's not strong enough, absolutely nothing. cheap shot only ever lasted 6 seconds on mobs that were non up arrow. these mobs are trivially without positional attacks. most of them can be killed by turning on autoattack and reading a book.up arrow mobs break stun on first dmg and the stun was capped at 2 seconds so no change there.as for surveil, yes it's too bad, that was a nice utility we provided but 35 is still a decent range and the best part of that ability is the way it can be used to avoid social aggro. overall the assassin class is in a nice place. if we can get the devs to fix toxic expertise we'll be in an even better place.as for surveil taking away our 'utility': our job isn't utility. if you aren't one of the top if not the top dps'er in your guild, you need to evaluate what you're doing. our job is making stuff die fast and we're very good at it.</div>

[Recca[BK]]

<blockquote><hr>Graton wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Demonskiller wrote:LU24:Scout changes:- Scout: Cheap Shot - Reduced power cost. Duration is 4s instead of 6s on standard or weaker opponents.- Ranger: Surveil - Range lowered to 35 meters from 50 meters. (i assume that's for assassin too)yay way to go SOE, you nerfing us our ONLY stun for soloing even shorter. O well, good news is, after so many nerfs, i don't feel much from 1 or 2 more nerfs<hr></blockquote>i remember thinking the other day how much pride i had in the fact that our class board is not littered with 'woe is me' , this class is better, irritating whiney rants... no longer.the cheap shot change means nothing. no wait, that's not strong enough, absolutely nothing. cheap shot only ever lasted 6 seconds on mobs that were non up arrow. these mobs are trivially without positional attacks. most of them can be killed by turning on autoattack and reading a book.up arrow mobs break stun on first dmg and the stun was capped at 2 seconds so no change there.as for surveil, yes it's too bad, that was a nice utility we provided but 35 is still a decent range and the best part of that ability is the way it can be used to avoid social aggro. overall the assassin class is in a nice place. if we can get the devs to fix toxic expertise we'll be in an even better place.as for surveil taking away our 'utility': our job isn't utility. if you aren't one of the top if not the top dps'er in your guild, you need to evaluate what you're doing. our job is making stuff die fast and we're very good at it.</div><hr></blockquote>at least someone else sees the fact that a 2 sec stun nerf on a no arrow mob means nothing. autoattack is generally enough to kill those and losing only around 50% hp. add any CAs and geez. we are prolly right under mages in terms of speed killing no arrow mobs. simply because it doesnt much with all our CAs doing near or over 1k.and those who say the root is useless hmm 12 root i can get 3 autoattacks off from my bow (4.5 delay) and with our dps buff it generally does 1k dmg. decent dmg without gettin touch i kinda like it.

[Demonskill]

graton u don't get my point. I should point out that, instead of giving us a little more effective stun that we can have get some of our backstab off, they nerf our only one stun. Nerf is a nerf, period. u dont' get an upgrade and u get a nerf, understand?

[Griffona]

<div></div><div></div>Bah if assassins need 6s cheapshot to kill non-heroic non-^ mobs then they need to go back to "Killing 101"  This nerf is nearly meaningless. and to add a personal note, If i wanted to solo or cared about my ability to solo I'd have chosen a brig or swashie with fewer positional attacks. When I do solo, I find myself rarely using cheapshot because i prefer tougher mobs that it only works 2 sec on anyways....so it just lets me land Finishing Blow.<div></div><p>bah i can't spell double edited</p><p>Message Edited by Griffonage on <span class="date_text">05-18-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:56 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Griffonage on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:57 PM</span>