Tier 1 DPS?

[Zodi]

<div>I understand that</div><div>Assassins</div><div>Rangers</div><div>Warlocks</div><div>Wizards</div><div> </div><div>are supposed to be tier 1 DPS, but here is my question</div><div> </div><div>Are these classes balanced? Is their DPS is comparable to each other. Prior LU20 rangers used to do the most damage of all of them, now I understand that they more comparable to other classes.</div><div> </div><div>Thank you</div>

[Lord Montague]

<div></div><div>I've seen someone post earlier, although I would have to track down the exact posting, but someone showed parsing of a few different raid encounters all with the same raid force (and all with fairly comparable equipment, stats, skill upgrades, etc).  Now I'm not one to delve into parsing, but I do understand that it's really the only way to objectively see how the different classes perform.  The numbers were very spotty as far as being an indicator as to who has the best DPS - sometimes an assassin would come out on top, and others a wizard or one of the other classes.  Some of these mobs are more resistant to certain types of damage, so that is a significant factor, the other being that all damage has a random component to it (sometimes it hits on the low end, sometimes the high end), and procs may go more or less frequently depending totally on luck.</div><div> </div><div>To me, there are a lot of variables to take into account which will have an impact on how well a class is going to perform under a given circumstance. </div><div> </div><div>And timing is everything to most scout classes - especially sequence of attacks to get in the right debuffs, etc.</div>

[LoreLady]

Right now rangers are undergoing changes to be back at t1 dps, but  generally it depends on who your grouped with, what tier of spells your using, your gear etc to determine whos better..If your an assassin grouped with a necro, or a warlock/wizzy  grouping with a bard, or a ranger/assassin grouping with a rouge. Will do more damage than other combinations because one class will  buffer the other.  So depending on who your grouped with, decides who will do the more damage.But as for the classes you listed your right as far as t1 dps goes - and they are ballanced.

[KirikaNo]

At the moment, Rangers are low end.  The rest of the T1 DPS seem to be balanced against each other.Generally on raids I stay at the top of the parse list at level 70, although our resident guild Wizard was beating me last night on occasion... and she's only level 67.  I was getting over 2k DPS also, so it's not that I suck, I think they just gave Wizzies a lot of love.<div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:At the moment, Rangers are low end.  The rest of the T1 DPS seem to be balanced against each other.Generally on raids I stay at the top of the parse list at level 70, although our resident guild Wizard was beating me last night on occasion... and she's only level 67.  I was getting over 2k DPS also, so it's not that I suck, I think they just gave Wizzies a lot of love.<div></div><hr></blockquote>2K sustained raid dps from a wizard??? and one that is still alive to sustain it, I'd like to see the log on that parse please.

[KirikaNo]

The Wizard was beting me ON OCCASION.  Please re-read the post.  And she did indeed die a lot more than I did.<div></div>

[Al]

<div></div>Sorry but you wont do 2000dps ever on any raid mob.

[Graton]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div>I understand that</div><div>Assassins</div><div>Rangers</div><div>Warlocks</div><div>Wizards</div><div> </div><div>are supposed to be tier 1 DPS, but here is my question</div><div> </div><div>Are these classes balanced? Is their DPS is comparable to each other. Prior LU20 rangers used to do the most damage of all of them, now I understand that they more comparable to other classes.</div><div> </div><div>Thank you</div><hr></blockquote>rangers need to come up a bit and that's being worked on. there are many factors to consider in particular whether the fight involves a joust and what resistances the mob has. wizard / warlock dps can be greatly affected in particular by dmg type resists where warlocks are kings on one mob and wizards another. also generally wizards and warlocks are fantastic in many mob encounters as are beserkers despite being a tank class.so these 4 classes are reasonably balanced. one issue at the moment is that summoners can outdps everybody. well i should say that i don't play with a conjuror but necros in my guild have done this. the necros themselves seem to feel it isn't intended and that they will be nerfed but no one really knows where that's going to go.</span></div>

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Alza wrote:<div></div>Sorry but you wont do 2000dps ever on any raid mob.<hr></blockquote>Really?  I did it night before last.  I wish I was the one parsing cuz I'd show it to ya.  Thanks for playing though.</span></div>

[pczry]

<div></div><div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Alza wrote:<div></div>Sorry but you wont do 2000dps ever on any raid mob.<hr></blockquote>Really?  I did it night before last.  I wish I was the one parsing cuz I'd show it to ya.  Thanks for playing though.</span></div><hr></blockquote>What mob were you fighting and what was the duration?  What parsing program was your friend using to parse the fight? The last fight i parse was on Harla Dar.  The x4 dragon itself did 2.6k dps follow by 2 assassin each with 1k+ dps.  If what your claim is true, you are hitting as hard as a raid mob.  Do you auto swing for 1k or what?edit* oh and i also hit 5k+ dps back in dof using assassinate last sec of the fight, does that count?</span></div><p>Message Edited by pczryan on <span class="date_text">03-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:51 AM</span></p>

[Eynki]

<div></div><p>You will NOT do 2k damage on ANY raid mob. period.</p><p>I am almost All master CA's and the 4 i dont have at master are at adept 3. my weapons are well above average and using rare poisions with a 45% haste and i can only get to 1200 dps on a raid mob, and that is with all CA'a ready and 590 STR. My normal DPS is between 750 DPS and 1200 DPS, which is Always #2 in the dps parses.</p><p>the other assassin in my guild is almost as well stacked as i am and he parses about the same as I do.</p><p>the person you have parsingis messed up if he thinks you can do 2k dps on a raid encounter.</p><p> </p><p>Currently we ARE #2 when it comes to DPS. the ONLY class that i have seen out dps us consistantly is Necromancers. Yes i realize that Necros are NOT supposed to be like this but apparently no one cares necro's are so powerful in the DPS department. we tested it the ther night and the necro's pet alone was parsing 500-600 dps lol. On raids a Necro will constantly do 800-1300 DPS. even tho their numbers are around ours they will consistantly be # 1 on the same parse by about 50 - 100 DPS</p><p> </p><p>Raevix</p><p>70 assassin</p>

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Eynki wrote:<div></div><p>You will NOT do 2k damage on ANY raid mob. period.</p><hr></blockquote>Okay thanks for being the EQ2 genius np!My guild leader was using ACT.  It wasn't a named mob, it was one of the mobs inside of lab... don't remember where or when.  But I sure did show up as something around 2100 DPS on the parse.  I've got no reason to lie about it especially if it made me look [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Mmmhmm.  Thanks for telling me what I can't do, because I did it two nights ago.  Stop being so DEFINITIVE when you're wrong, because I did it.You're wrong.  I'm so very sorry.  Period.</span></div>

[Eynki]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Eynki wrote:<div></div><p>You will NOT do 2k damage on ANY raid mob. period.</p><hr></blockquote>Okay thanks for being the EQ2 genius np!My guild leader was using ACT.  It wasn't a named mob, it was one of the mobs inside of lab... don't remember where or when.  But I sure did show up as something around 2100 DPS on the parse.  I've got no reason to lie about it especially if it made me look [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Mmmhmm.  Thanks for telling me what I can't do, because I did it two nights ago.  Stop being so DEFINITIVE when you're wrong, because I did it.You're wrong.  I'm so very sorry.  Period.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Really? i am wrong? .. Kinda funny that you are the only assassin the eq2 universe that can parse 2k on a raid mob. but thats ok i am wrong and you are right. keep thinking that you are super uber and can deal godly dps.</p><p>K thanks have a nice day</p>

[Aienaa]

<div></div><p>LOL.. what he forgot to tell you is that he was sleeping during the first part of the encounter and when he woke up the mob was half dead, so he hit it with all his high damage CAs and because his encounter length was much shorter, it made his DPS look that much higher....</p><p> </p><p>Seriously though... No idea how he got 2k DPS on a raid mob...  Most I ever got on a X4 raid mob was in the 1300 range....  The only way I could see that happening would be something similiar to the joke I made above...  I have seen it happen several times in parses where someone's encounter time was much shorter (numerous reason this might happen... either not attacking, or out of ranger from the person parsing are the top 2), and if it was the last half of the encounter that got picked up, that is when the high damage CAs are pulled out and the DPS would be unusually high....</p><p> </p><p>Gwern - 69 Assassin  /  Nilla - 66 Alchemist</p>

[pczry]

<span><blockquote><hr>Aienaa wrote:<div></div><p>LOL.. what he forgot to tell you is that he was sleeping during the first part of the encounter and when he woke up the mob was half dead, so he hit it with all his high damage CAs and because his encounter length was much shorter, it made his DPS look that much higher....</p><p> </p><p>Seriously though... No idea how he got 2k DPS on a raid mob...  Most I ever got on a X4 raid mob was in the 1300 range....  The only way I could see that happening would be something similiar to the joke I made above...  I have seen it happen several times in parses where someone's encounter time was much shorter (numerous reason this might happen... either not attacking, or out of ranger from the person parsing are the top 2), and if it was the last half of the encounter that got picked up, that is when the high damage CAs are pulled out and the DPS would be unusually high....</p><p> </p><p>Gwern - 69 Assassin  /  Nilla - 66 Alchemist</p><hr></blockquote>that would be the only logical assumption, unless he knows something else about his class we don't ;p</span><div></div>

[LoreLady]

Also, what can happen is parsers can stack. If you have it set to bonus XP forinstance, you can kill one group of mobs leave one mob standing. Then go to a bigger mob and then start killing him. The parser will add the damage from the original fight, then start the timer on the second fight so you could be getting much higher DPS thank you think your getting.

[Al]

Max ive done is 1810dps on foreman in gates pre LU20, but that fight was around 50 seconds with assassinate up, max str, good amount of int and before our nerf to wep delays working with CAs causing more poison procs.So seeing as how we dont proc poison as much anymore I would have to say, it would be nearly impossible to parse 2000dps on any T7 raid mob that is a named.<div></div>

[Sir MadDog]

<blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div></div><blockquote><blockquote><div><span><blockquote><hr>Eynki wrote:<div></div><p>You will NOT do 2k damage on ANY raid mob. period.</p><hr></blockquote>Okay thanks for being the EQ2 genius np!My guild leader was using ACT.  It wasn't a named mob, it was one of the mobs inside of lab... don't remember where or when.  But I sure did show up as something around 2100 DPS on the parse.  I've got no reason to lie about it especially if it made me look [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Mmmhmm.  Thanks for telling me what I can't do, because I did it two nights ago.  Stop being so DEFINITIVE when you're wrong, because I did it.You're wrong.  I'm so very sorry.  Period.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Really? i am wrong? .. Kinda funny that you are the only assassin the eq2 universe that can parse 2k on a raid mob. but thats ok i am wrong and you are right. keep thinking that you are super uber and can deal godly dps.</p><p>K thanks have a nice day</p><hr></blockquote><p>Really, nowhere did I EVER claim any sort of crap like this.  I don't think these things, I'm just relaying what the parser said, and that's what it said.  Happened one time.  I was pretty shocked, but I didn't question it too much since I wasn't parsing myself.  Could have been a screw up.  If I'm remembering correctly, I had a troub in my group doing the jester's cap - remove chain on me as well.  Regardless, that's what the parser said.</p><p>Could have been problems with the parser.  I'm not denying it.  I'm telling you what the parser said.  Your quick-jump assumption that I think I'm the most ubar mofo on the planet or something simply pisseth me off.  Stop being such a dikface and maybe you won't get responses like this.  You're little "USE PUNCTUATION. TO GET A POINT ACROSS. PERIOD." sheeit makes you look like captain know-it-all asspie.</p><p>Get over yourself and come back when you can respond to someone without being a dooshbag.</p><p>Certain words were spelled incorrectly on purpose.  This thread wouldn't have been quite as awesome without them and I didn't want them ninja-haxt.</p><hr></blockquote><p>KirikaNoir,  I'm not sure what your problem with Eynki is but he was one of a few people that said that there is no way you can do 2.1K and you jumped all over him and noone else. He wasn't even the first one to start the name calling...you were with the EQ2 genius snip.</p><p> Looking at this it shows that your first statement says that you and a Wiz do 2K in raids and now in this last one you say "Happened one time".</p><p>Admit you were wrong or the parser was off.  Suck it up.  Grow up.  And move on.</p><p>If I read this a couple days ago I would have also said the same.... you cant do 2.1K in a fight unless the parser was bugged.</p>

[Eynki]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Eynki wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Eynki wrote:<div></div><p>You will NOT do 2k damage on ANY raid mob. period.</p><hr></blockquote>Okay thanks for being the EQ2 genius np!My guild leader was using ACT.  It wasn't a named mob, it was one of the mobs inside of lab... don't remember where or when.  But I sure did show up as something around 2100 DPS on the parse.  I've got no reason to lie about it especially if it made me look [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Mmmhmm.  Thanks for telling me what I can't do, because I did it two nights ago.  Stop being so DEFINITIVE when you're wrong, because I did it.You're wrong.  I'm so very sorry.  Period.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Really? i am wrong? .. Kinda funny that you are the only assassin the eq2 universe that can parse 2k on a raid mob. but thats ok i am wrong and you are right. keep thinking that you are super uber and can deal godly dps.</p><p>K thanks have a nice day</p><hr></blockquote><p>Really, nowhere did I EVER claim any sort of crap like this.  I don't think these things, I'm just relaying what the parser said, and that's what it said.  Happened one time.  I was pretty shocked, but I didn't question it too much since I wasn't parsing myself.  Could have been a screw up.  If I'm remembering correctly, I had a troub in my group doing the jester's cap - remove chain on me as well.  Regardless, that's what the parser said.</p><p>Could have been problems with the parser.  I'm not denying it.  I'm telling you what the parser said.  Your quick-jump assumption that I think I'm the most ubar mofo on the planet or something simply pisseth me off.  Stop being such a dikface and maybe you won't get responses like this.  You're little "USE PUNCTUATION. TO GET A POINT ACROSS. PERIOD." sheeit makes you look like captain know-it-all asspie.</p><p>Get over yourself and come back when you can respond to someone without being a dooshbag.</p><p>Certain words were spelled incorrectly on purpose.  This thread wouldn't have been quite as awesome without them and I didn't want them ninja-haxt.</p><hr></blockquote><blockquote><hr>KirikaNoir wrote:<div></div>Generally on raids I stay at the top of the parse list at level 70, although our resident guild Wizard was beating me last night on occasion... and she's only level 67.  I was getting over 2k DPS also, so it's not that I suck, I think they just gave Wizzies a lot of love.<hr></blockquote><p>Looks like you Claimed this sorta "crap" right there. When someone mentioned that it was wrong you puffed up like a peacock and started spouting about parses. Now  raid every night and our guid keeps a lot parses so i know what a assassin can do and what it cant, i run my own parses as well . my original post was meant to get the pont across that we cannot do 2k dps ever on any raid mob, it isnt possible. But again you decided this was a hit to you ego and started calling me names.</p><p>In reality you can call me any names you like, I could really care less. You were the one that made an [Removed for Content] out of yourself, and couldnt hack it when people told you that you were wrong</p><p>---Gets the Caps Lock Ready----</p><p>AND IF YOU THINK YOU POST IS AWSOME BECAUSE YOU USED WORDS LIKE "ASSPIE" AND "DOOSHBAG, THINK AGAIN.</p><p>It makes you look like more of a   [Removed for Content]</p><p>Message Edited by Eynki on <span class="date_text">03-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:53 PM</span></p>

[Amise]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Aienaa wrote:<div></div><p>LOL.. what he forgot to tell you is that he was sleeping during the first part of the encounter and when he woke up the mob was half dead, so he hit it with all his high damage CAs and because his encounter length was much shorter, it made his DPS look that much higher....</p><p></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I'm betting whoever parsed that 2k fight does not use exit DPS data when parsing with ACT.I have seen 2k+ parses if I don't use exit DPS but it's not an accurate representation of DPS at all.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Amise on <span class="date_text">03-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:45 PM</span></p>

[Ahlspiess]

<div></div><div>Yeah. Sorry bro 2k DPS has got to be a mistake on the parser or the fight was EXTREMELY short.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Ahlspiess</div><div>70 Assassin</div><div>68 Armorer</div><div>Permafrost</div><div> </div>