Who cares about "nerfs"?

[merula]

<div></div><div></div><div>So I see a lot of posts about people complaining how we assassins are nerfed, we suck, etc. Honestly, is it really that big of a deal if another class or two does a couple hundred more dps? Has anyone ever turned you down saying "assassins are nerfed, you can't group/raid with us"? I doubt it. If that did happen to me I wouldn't want to play with them anyway because they are way too uptight and probably not very fun people.</div><div> </div><div>I play my assassin because I find it fun as hell to sneak around and chill out right behind the mob for a bit laughing because he can't see me and then WHACK! (big orange number above mob's head) How cool is that? Yes I've raided too and jousting the AEer's is fun too! (although sometimes my timing is a bit off...)</div><div> </div><div>I couldn't care less if a wizzie doubles my DPS. It doesn't effect my gaming experience because I'm stealthed and about to Assassinate this $%#$er.</div><div> </div><div>I play the game for what it is meant to be, fun. I think Sony has done a great job making this game fun from noob to high end. Thanks SOE!</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Cheers everyone and keep playing!</div><p>Message Edited by merula on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:46 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by merula on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:47 PM</span></p>

[NerroVI]

Im happy for you really, no seriously I am really honest... fortunately there are still some of us who see the issues with the class and arent going to accept tier 2 upper tier 3 and only tier 1 in perfect group settings.  If your happy with mediocre damage and being the black sheep of tier 1 thats great I on the other hand know this cannot possibly be the best SoE can do for this class, and btw I dont know what orange mobs your sitting behind that dont see invis must be solo ones but most stuff 51+ sees thru stealthBTW once you can get to PoF and start running into mobs that block your assassinate then come back and post about how you love to stealth up behind mobs and have your 15 min recast top damage spell blocked.  heck there are even ones in Sinking Sands that block it.<div></div>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>NerroVI wrote:BTW once you can get to PoF and start running into mobs that block your assassinate then come back and post about how you love to stealth up behind mobs and have your 15 min recast top damage spell blocked.  heck there are even ones in Sinking Sands that block it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I hate the djinn too, brother.

[xbalance]

<div></div><div>Agree</div><div> </div><div>That is our most lethal attack but when we hit and it does nothing and we get killed that is no fun!!....But you know SOE they do anything but listen to the customer you tell them what needs to be done they will do the opposite.:smileyindifferent:</div><p>Message Edited by xbalance on <span class="date_text">01-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:39 AM</span></p>

[merula]

<div>I don't mean this as a flame in any way so please don't take it that way. I'm just curious as to why some of you are so upset about not always hitting tier 1 dps if you still get to see/play/kill all the high end epic-x4's? Some people are quitting the game over this even though they aren't really missing anything in game except for bragging rights it seems.</div>

[Hawgeous]

<div></div><p>The class was defined as tier 1 by SOE, I believe what you see is people tryin to make SOE live up to the tier set THEY defined.</p><p> </p><p>For the life of me I cannot imagine why/how assassinate can be blocked unless the mob turns during casting, this should never ever happen imo.</p>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><p>Well, Ice Comet and Devestation can both be resisted, so I assume it's only fair that Assassinate can be blocked. I really do hate it when that happens.</p><p>At least we're down to a 15-minute timer, instead of that 60-minute one we had pre-DoF.</p>

[Graton]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>NocteBlanc wrote:<div></div><p>Well, Ice Comet and Devestation can both be resisted, so I assume it's only fair that Assassinate can be blocked. I really do hate it when that happens.</p><p>At least we're down to a 15-minute timer, instead of that 60-minute one we had pre-DoF.</p><hr></blockquote>yes, althought i believe when those spells are resisted the recast rate is lowered so you can retry nearly immediately. i could be wrong here but i seem to remember reading this. no such luck for us, blocked, full dmg or otherwise it's 15 minutes in between each time.</span></div>

[Hawgeous]

<div></div>Not sure but I think the timer may be reduced for those spells that are resisted but not blocked or dodged and I don't recall ever seeing assassinate resisted. only blocked or dodged.

[Alarye]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>merula wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>So I see a lot of posts about people complaining how we assassins are nerfed, we suck, etc. Honestly, is it really that big of a deal if another class or two does a couple hundred more dps? Has anyone ever turned you down saying "assassins are nerfed, you can't group/raid with us"? I doubt it. If that did happen to me I wouldn't want to play with them anyway because they are way too uptight and probably not very fun people.</div><div> </div><div>I play my assassin because I find it fun as hell to sneak around and chill out right behind the mob for a bit laughing because he can't see me and then WHACK! (big orange number above mob's head) How cool is that? Yes I've raided too and jousting the AEer's is fun too! (although sometimes my timing is a bit off...)</div><div> </div><div>I couldn't care less if a wizzie doubles my DPS. It doesn't effect my gaming experience because I'm stealthed and about to Assassinate this $%#$er.</div><div> </div><div>I play the game for what it is meant to be, fun. I think Sony has done a great job making this game fun from noob to high end. Thanks SOE!</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Cheers everyone and keep playing!</div><p>Message Edited by merula on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:46 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by merula on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:47 PM</span></p><p></p><p></p><hr><p>AMEN....... </p><p></p></blockquote>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Graton wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>NocteBlanc wrote:<div></div><p>Well, Ice Comet and Devestation can both be resisted, so I assume it's only fair that Assassinate can be blocked. I really do hate it when that happens.</p><p>At least we're down to a 15-minute timer, instead of that 60-minute one we had pre-DoF.</p><hr></blockquote>yes, althought i believe when those spells are resisted the recast rate is lowered so you can retry nearly immediately. i could be wrong here but i seem to remember reading this. no such luck for us, blocked, full dmg or otherwise it's 15 minutes in between each time.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Ahh... good catch. Yeah, it'd be nice to get that fixed. Lockeye? You reading this?

[Aranieq]

<div>can someone link the "teir" charts?  I't mentioned all over the place, I just don't know where to find it.  ty</div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>NerroVI wrote:Im happy for you really, no seriously I am really honest... <b>fortunately there are still some of us who see the issues with the class and arent going to accept tier 2 upper tier 3 and only tier 1 in perfect group settings.</b> <font color="#ff0000">I think you mean UNfortunately, as imo it's just complaining, which in turn gets old, fast.</font>  If your happy with mediocre damage and being the black sheep of tier 1 thats great I on the other hand know this cannot possibly be the best SoE can do for this class, <b>and btw I dont know what orange mobs your sitting behind that dont see invis must be solo ones but most stuff 51+ sees thru stealth</b> <font color="#ff0000">Gee you need to read properly. This is what the OP said:</font><font color="#ff0000">"I play my assassin because I find it fun as hell to sneak around and chill out right behind the mob for a bit laughing because he can't see me and then WHACK! (<font color="#ccffff">big orange number above mob's head</font>) How cool is that?"NOT that he's sitting behind an orange mob, but he is talking about the damage numbers that you see above the mob's head when you do damage.</font>BTW once you can get to PoF and start running into mobs that block your assassinate then come back and post about how you love to stealth up behind mobs and have your 15 min recast top damage spell blocked.  heck there are even ones in Sinking Sands that block it.<hr></blockquote>I've got something to say to all the complainers here who whinge about how crap the assassin class is. It's not a flame, just my opinion. I'm not responsible for how personally you complainers take it.For the rest of you guys who are not capable of just chilling out and enjoy your class, you need to go and play another class or just live with it. <i>It is just a game after all.</i>I'm an assassin, and I don't give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about the nerfs and issues with the assassin class, as long as I'm still having fun. </span><span>Remember how to have fun, even in circumstances that are less than ideal? </span><span>Yes, when I get to play the DoF expansion (not that much longer to go now) I will enjoy playing with my guild even if things get more difficult. If you complainers are incapable of doing that, chill out, take the time to enjoy the class in whichever form it takes then there is something wrong with YOU (as in that you have issues about how to deal with stuff like this), not with the class or with SOE (yes  there are issues etc, but why get so worked up about it? It's pointless.), so maybe those of you should find something else to play. It's all very well having your say, but whinging, getting frustrated or mad or whatever is utterly pointless.In short, I agree with the OP.</span></div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>xbalance wrote:<div></div><div>Agree</div><div> </div><div>That is our most lethal attack but when we hit and it does nothing and we get killed that is no fun!! <font color="#ff0000">Sure it is, it's risk-taking. You take that chance every time you use it, the chance that it will hit or will it miss.It's just virtual death (yep, I'm one of these people who doesn't get streessed when my toon dies).</font> ....But you know SOE they do anything but listen to the customer you tell them what needs to be done they will do the opposite. <span>:smileyindifferent: </span><font color="#ff0000">I don't think so. It's their game, they know it better. You think they don't listen or do the opposite? Okay so what about the changes they are implementing? Lots of people have asked for a lot of these changes and SOE listened, they're doing it on Test before pushing it out to Live. Please think before you make claims about SOE not listening or whatever.</font></div><p>Message Edited by xbalance on <span class="date_text">01-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:39 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote></span></div>

[Hawgeous]

<div></div><p>OK, to all you <40 posters let me give you this example, I watch wizzies solo epics in SS, I watch illusionist solo even con epics in SS, a tank (if they have set themselves up right) can solo epics higher than grey, many if not most classes can do this.</p><p>When you get here you'll see what is goin on so give it a few weeks, or months and then tell me if you think its right, and if I should just enjoy the game or if I should start a new toon.</p><p>And I have never stated that SOE does not listen, I just find their willingness to act, or decide how to act, leaves something to be desired.</p><p> </p><p>BTW: I have several toons and I DO like playin my assassin BUT I can't do half the stuff with my assassin that I can on any of my other toons...</p>

[G3M]

<div></div><div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Hawgeous wrote:<div></div><p>OK, to all you <40 posters let me give you this example, I watch wizzies solo epics in SS, I watch illusionist solo even con epics in SS, a tank (if they have set themselves up right) can solo epics higher than grey, many if not most classes can do this.</p><p>When you get here you'll see what is goin on so give it a few weeks, or months and then tell me if you think its right, and if I should just enjoy the game or if I should start a new toon. <font color="#ff0000">I don't give two hoots about who can solo what. I know I will just enjoy the game, regardless. It's entirely your problem if you cannot accept the "flaws"  and allow it to affect your enjoyment. My tip? Submit your feedback in a polite manner, try not to go overboard with it (exaggeration etc) and just try not to get too uptight. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><b></b></p><p>And I have never stated that SOE does not listen, I just find their willingness to act, or decide how to act, leaves something to be desired. <font color="#ff0000">I never said you did say that SOE doesn't listen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And they do act, if only you would open your eyes, switch on your brain and have a good hard look at stuff on Test. I've asked for a few things in feedback, and have not been disappointed so far. For example, a while ago, when I first started playing my assassin, I found that whenever I died, my poison buffs would disappear. I requested that SOE fix the poisons and make them like food/drink. Short while later, the poisons were fixed. I'm guessing other people asked for something similar, but the point is, SOE does act, when they feel that it's right for the game. And I don't see anything wrong with that, after all it is their game, they are the devs, they make these decisions.</font><font color="#ff0000"></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"> </font></p><p>BTW: I have several toons and I DO like playin my assassin BUT I can't do half the stuff with my assassin that I can on any of my other toons... <font color="#ff0000">Glad you do like playing your assassin after all. Well I have several toons too, and I can do more with my assassin than I can on some of my other toons. I guess it has a lot to do with player skill (and other factors come into it too, such as having most of my combat arts upgraded to Adept III quality, having decent gear -- legendary or player crafted, and so on). And not forgetting that all classes have their differences. Don't expect theem all to be able to do the same stuff, the same way or even at all. Kind of obvious, to me at least.</font></p><hr></blockquote></span></div><p>Message Edited by G3MM4 on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:28 PM</span></p>

[mattsinner]

<div></div><hr><div>So I see a lot of posts about people complaining how we assassins are nerfed, we suck, etc. Honestly, is it really that big of a deal if another class or two does a couple hundred more dps? Has anyone ever turned you down saying "assassins are nerfed, you can't group/raid with us"? I doubt it. If that did happen to me I wouldn't want to play with them anyway because they are way too uptight and probably not very fun people.</div><div> </div><div>I play my assassin because I find it fun as hell to sneak around and chill out right behind the mob for a bit laughing because he can't see me and then WHACK! (big orange number above mob's head) How cool is that? Yes I've raided too and jousting the AEer's is fun too! (although sometimes my timing is a bit off...)</div><div> </div><div>I couldn't care less if a wizzie doubles my DPS. It doesn't effect my gaming experience because I'm stealthed and about to Assassinate this $%#$er.</div><div> </div><div>I play the game for what it is meant to be, fun. I think Sony has done a great job making this game fun from noob to high end. Thanks SOE!</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Cheers everyone and keep playing!</div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Finally a kindred spirit! Now that Scouts Sanctuary is down (R.I.P) i thought i was doomed to a forum of winers and people going "bohoo *sob* im gonna roll another class *sob* cause we dont do alot of damage"</div><div>Nice to see that there´s some1 else out there that love their class!</div>

[Hawgeous]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Hawgeous wrote:<div></div><p>OK, to all you <40 posters let me give you this example, I watch wizzies solo epics in SS, I watch illusionist solo even con epics in SS, a tank (if they have set themselves up right) can solo epics higher than grey, many if not most classes can do this.</p><p>When you get here you'll see what is goin on so give it a few weeks, or months and then tell me if you think its right, and if I should just enjoy the game or if I should start a new toon. <font color="#ff0000">I don't give two hoots about who can solo what. I know I will just enjoy the game, regardless. It's entirely your problem if you cannot accept the "flaws"  and allow it to affect your enjoyment. My tip? Submit your feedback in a polite manner, try not to go overboard with it (exaggeration etc) and just try not to get too uptight. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff">If I have replied in an impolite manner in my feedback it was not intended. </font></p><p><font color="#0000ff">Please point out where I have exaggerated. For most if not all of the statements I have personally seen and have recorded them.</font><b></b></p><p>And I have never stated that SOE does not listen, I just find their willingness to act, or decide how to act, leaves something to be desired. <font color="#ff0000">I never said you did say that SOE doesn't listen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And they do act, if only you would open your eyes, switch on your brain and have a good hard look at stuff on Test. I've asked for a few things in feedback, and have not been disappointed so far. For example, a while ago, when I first started playing my assassin, I found that whenever I died, my poison buffs would disappear. I requested that SOE fix the poisons and make them like food/drink. Short while later, the poisons were fixed. I'm guessing other people asked for something similar, but the point is, SOE does act, when they feel that it's right for the game. And I don't see anything wrong with that, after all it is their game, they are the devs, they make these decisions.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">You lumped us all into one group with your previous post, intended or not you did, looking at that then yes, you said I said SOE does not listen.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">Thanks I guess the 100s of other post and feedback about poisons and potions flew by SOE now if we could only get you to look at what we are talking about here.:smileyvery-happy:</font><font color="#ff0000"></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"></font> </p><p>BTW: I have several toons and I DO like playin my assassin BUT I can't do half the stuff with my assassin that I can on any of my other toons... <font color="#ff0000">Glad you do like playing your assassin after all. Well I have several toons too, and I can do more with my assassin than I can on some of my other toons. I guess it has a lot to do with player skill (and other factors come into it too, such as having most of my combat arts upgraded to Adept III quality, having decent gear -- legendary or player crafted, and so on). And not forgetting that all classes have their differences. Don't expect theem all to be able to do the same stuff, the same way or even at all. Kind of obvious, to me at least.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">Do you have a templar and guardian alts?:smileyhappy:</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">FYI: my CAs are all adept 3, master 1 and master 2 and my gear is pretty good as well.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">I agree all classes are different and will have different challanges and strenghts but an assassin has one function only "damage" and I can assure you if people are havin trouble producing damage after putting in the appropriate amount of effort setting the toon up your'e gonna continue to see posts on the forums about it.</font></p></span></blockquote></div></blockquote>

[Forsaken Falc]

<div></div><p>Who Care's about how much Assassin's suck???</p><p> </p><p>Assassin's who quit there account 1month b4 expansion too go pwn in R.O.S.E Online</p><p> </p>

[G3M]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Hawgeous wrote:<blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Hawgeous wrote:<p>OK, to all you <40 posters let me give you this example, I watch wizzies solo epics in SS, I watch illusionist solo even con epics in SS, a tank (if they have set themselves up right) can solo epics higher than grey, many if not most classes can do this. <font color="#ff9900">Funny, I just spoke to my guild about this, and they reckon that these epic mobs should not be soloable. The whole point of epics is that you need to group to take them. So it's not that the assassin class is broken because they cannot take on epic mobs, it's that these classes who apparently are able to take on epic mobs solo, are the ones that need fixing. One of my guildies is a level 51 wizzie, the other is a level 50 guardian. They both admit that they cannot take these mobs on solo. Another guildie is a 58 warlock and he says says that he needs to group with two other players to take on epicx2 GREEN mobs. And these players are not crap at playing their classes, I've seen them in action. My guildie wizzie says that he sees lots of players taking on level 54 epicx2 mobs in groups of 6 at the moment.</font></p><p>When you get here you'll see what is goin on so give it a few weeks, or months and then tell me if you think its right, and if I should just enjoy the game or if I should start a new toon. <font color="#ff0000">I don't give two hoots about who can solo what. I know I will just enjoy the game, regardless. It's entirely your problem if you cannot accept the "flaws"  and allow it to affect your enjoyment. My tip? Submit your feedback in a polite manner, try not to go overboard with it (exaggeration etc) and just try not to get too uptight. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff">If I have replied in an impolite manner in my feedback it was not intended. <font color="#ff9900">Really, my comment about being polite when submitting feedback, was just a generalization. You know, why would or should SOE listen to impolite feedback from Mr General Public? Sorry if you thought it was a personal dig. I promise, it wasn't, even though it might have looked like it.</font></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff">Please point out where I have exaggerated. For most if not all of the statements I have personally seen and have recorded them. <font color="#ff9900">Okay I may have confused you here. when I said "exaggeration" it was a generalization, since I find that many people exaggerate about parts of their issues when it comes to these sort of topics, especially if they aren't happy. Kind of human nature but also depends on the person too. I apologise for making you think that I thought you was exaggerating. Probably what I should have said was:</font></font></p><hr size="2" width="100%"><i><span><span><font color="#ff0000">My tip to all the players who think that there is something very wrong with the assassin class? Submit your feedback in a polite manner, try not to go overboard with it (exaggeration etc) and just try not to get too uptight. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span></span></i><hr size="2" width="100%"><i><span><span><font color="#ff0000"></font></span></span></i><p>And I have never stated that SOE does not listen, I just find their willingness to act, or decide how to act, leaves something to be desired. <font color="#ff0000">I never said you did say that SOE doesn't listen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And they do act, if only you would open your eyes, switch on your brain and have a good hard look at stuff on Test. I've asked for a few things in feedback, and have not been disappointed so far. For example, a while ago, when I first started playing my assassin, I found that whenever I died, my poison buffs would disappear. I requested that SOE fix the poisons and make them like food/drink. Short while later, the poisons were fixed. I'm guessing other people asked for something similar, but the point is, SOE does act, when they feel that it's right for the game. And I don't see anything wrong with that, after all it is their game, they are the devs, they make these decisions.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">You lumped us all into one group with your previous post, intended or not you did, looking at that then yes, you said I said SOE does not listen. <font color="#ff9900">No I didn't. You misunderstood the context of what I said. I was referring to xbalance's reply, I haven't said that all of you guys said it. It was xbalance who said that SOE does not listen etc.</font></font></p><p><font color="#ff9900">Here is what xbalance said, and my reply to his/her post:</font></p><hr size="2" width="100%"><p><i><span>But you know SOE they do anything but listen to the customer you tell them what needs to be done they will do the opposite. <span><img height="16" width="16" border="0" src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif"></span><font color="#ff0000">I don't think so. It's their game, they know it better. You think they don't listen or do the opposite? Okay so what about the changes they are implementing? Lots of people have asked for a lot of these changes and SOE listened, they're doing it on Test before pushing it out to Live. Please think before you make claims about SOE not listening or whatever.</font></span></i></p><p><i><span></span></i></p><hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#0000cc">Thanks I guess the 100s of other post and feedback about poisons and potions flew by SOE <font color="#ff9900">Nah, SOE reads the feedback, and if there is a strong demand for something, AND SOE thinks it is reasonable, THEN they will do whatever it is, in THEIR OWN TIMEFRAME. But I guess you're intelligent enough to realise that. But I keep seeing people demand this and that in the timeframe that suits them, then when it doesn't happen in the timeframe that doesn't suit Mr General Public, that's when people start saying that SOE doesn't listen, blah blah blah; which is unreasonable imo.</font>  now if we could only get you to look at what we are talking about here.:smileyvery-happy: <font color="#ff9900">I know what we are talking about, </font><font color="#ff9900"><font color="#ff9900">I haven</font>'t missed the point. The OP is asking why people are so bothered about the nerfs on the assassin class etc. I'm asking the same question. And whenever someone points out the negative aspects of the assassin class, I'm pointing out alternatives to getting frustrated etc because of what the assassin class is like right now. </font></font><font color="#ff0000"></font><p>BTW: I have several toons and I DO like playin my assassin BUT I can't do half the stuff with my assassin that I can on any of my other toons...<font color="#ff9900">.</font><span>:smileyvery-happy: </span><span><span><font color="#ff9900">Hmm, well it can't be that bad if you're still playing your assassin. </font></span></span><font color="#ff0000">Glad you do like playing your assassin after all. Well I have several toons too, and I can do more with my assassin than I can on some of my other toons. I guess it has a lot to do with player skill (and other factors come into it too, such as having most of my combat arts upgraded to Adept III quality, having decent gear -- legendary or player crafted, and so on). And not forgetting that all classes have their differences. Don't expect theem all to be able to do the same stuff, the same way or even at all. Kind of obvious, to me at least.</font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">Do you have a templar and guardian alts?:smileyhappy: <font color="#ff9900">Got nothing to do with the assassin class. They are not even a scout class. If you want to compare, go and compare with another scout class.</font></font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">FYI: my CAs are all adept 3, master 1 and master 2 and my gear is pretty good as well. <font color="#ff9900">Glad to hear it. </font></font></p><p><font color="#0000cc">I agree all classes are different and will have different challanges and strenghts but an assassin has one function only "damage" and I can assure you if people are havin trouble producing damage after putting in the appropriate amount of effort setting the toon up your'e gonna continue to see posts on the forums about it. <font color="#ff9900">Doesn't mean that the problem lies with SOE, entirely. People have a habit of blaming other external factors instead of first looking at their own playing skills and other factors. I, for one, have no problems with outputting high damage, even at my level.</font></font></p></blockquote></span></div></blockquote><hr></blockquote></span><font color="#ffffff"><span><span>I may not be level 40+ yet, but at the level that I'm currently at, the game is getting more challenging now, mobs are not so easy to kill, quests are getting tougher, but hey, I still don't have a problem, and I solo 95% of the time, with no problems. I fully enjoy my class despite whatever flaws there may be. It boils down to personal attitude. Maybe don't play an assassin if you cannot play it in the way you wish to play it. Could be just that the class isn't suited to you and your play style. Not every class is suited to everyone and all playing styles.</span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><span>1 have just spoken to another assassin who is level 52, and he says he has absolutely no problems getting in raids/groups, no problems at all in SS and other DoF zones, and is happy with his class, and is enjoying his class immensely, and he mostly solos. I asked him about his damage output, and he says that he has no trouble outputting the level of damage that is acceptable for an assassin. According to him, he has seen a lot of assassins who don't maximise their full potential. I know that not all assassins will have the same playing experience, but it seems to me that for every person who complains/rants about the assassin class being flawed/broken, there are several more who are not wasting energy on complaining (other than maybe sending some constructive feedback), instead, they are concentrating on enjoying themselves, playing their assassin. This is not the only assassin I've observed/talked to. What I have seen and heard in-game supports my opinion that there are far more assassins out there who are enjoying being an assassin, than there are who complain about it.</span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><span>Yes, there are things that needs to be fixed, and so on, but I'm not wasting my energy by being negative about it (not saying that everyone is being negative, and certainly not singling you out, but take a look at a lot of threads and posts here on the forums, and you'll see what I mean -- suprises me how a game can reduce some to flaming and trolling). If I worked for SOE and had to read all the feedback (especially the negatives ones, to the point of rudeness and personal attacks on SOE etc) then I wouldn't be arsed to please these people.</span></span></font></div>

[scivias]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div></div><div><span></span><font color="#ffffff"><span><span></span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><span>Yes, there are things that needs to be fixed, and so on, but I'm not wasting my energy by being negative about it (not saying that everyone is being negative, and certainly not singling you out, but take a look at a lot of threads and posts here on the forums, and you'll see what I mean -- suprises me how a game can reduce some to flaming and trolling). If I worked for SOE and had to read all the feedback (especially the negatives ones, to the point of rudeness and personal attacks on SOE etc) then I wouldn't be arsed to please these people.</span></span></font></div><hr></blockquote>Then pray tell me how you expect things to be fixed when no one complains about them being broken?Tell me how you want to point out balancing without relation to other classes and their respective capabilities?You can't honestly believe that it boils down to "Ah, no hurry, by magic or something everything will be fine by itself".</span></div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>scivias wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div></div><div><span></span><font color="#ffffff"><span><span></span></span></font><font color="#ffffff"><span><span>Yes, there are things that needs to be fixed, and so on, but I'm not wasting my energy by being negative about it (not saying that everyone is being negative, and certainly not singling you out, but take a look at a lot of threads and posts here on the forums, and you'll see what I mean -- suprises me how a game can reduce some to flaming and trolling). If I worked for SOE and had to read all the feedback (especially the negatives ones, to the point of rudeness and personal attacks on SOE etc) then I wouldn't be arsed to please these people.</span></span></font></div><hr></blockquote>Then pray tell me how you expect things to be fixed when no one complains about them being broken? <font color="#ff0000">Did I say don't complain at all? No I didn't. There's a way of giving feedback or "complaining" in a constructive manner, NOT by ranting or getting frustrated, that's what's so negative, that's what a lot of people do on the forums. It's pointless.</font>Tell me how you want to point out balancing without relation to other classes and their respective capabilities? <font color="#ff0000">Why would I want to? It's not relevant imo. If you want to compare or whatever, go ahead but I have no interest in doing what you are asking of me, unless we can talk about rangers, since they are predators like assassins are. Other than that I don't see how you could balance a scout class in relation to say a priest, or a mage or a fighter, since they all perform differently.</font>You can't honestly believe that it boils down to "Ah, no hurry, by magic or something everything will be fine by itself". <font color="#ff0000">I'm not saying that. what I am saying is that despite the nerfs and flaws, it's important to enjoy playing your class, regardless; and it's pointless ranting/getting frustrated because that will not change things any faster. I'm not going to repeat myself, and go over my points again.</font></span></div><hr></blockquote></span></div>

[Demonskill]

<div>i love the low level assassin enjoying their class and not care about being nerf</div>

[Cubem]

Its always fun to read both sides of the story because most people arent very constructive with their issues and the people that are happy with the profession never offer much reason for the way they feel nor do they offer any examples to counter what complainers say.<div></div>

[scivias]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div><span><blockquote><div><span><font color="#ff0000">Did I say don't complain at all? No I didn't. There's a way of giving feedback or "complaining" in a constructive manner, NOT by ranting or getting frustrated, that's what's so negative, that's what a lot of people do on the forums. It's pointless.</font><font color="#ff0000">It's not relevant imo. If you want to compare or whatever, go ahead but I have no interest in doing what you are asking of me, unless we can talk about rangers, since they are predators like assassins are. Other than that I don't see how you could balance a scout class in relation to say a priest, or a mage or a fighter, since they all perform differently.</font> <font color="#ff0000">I'm not saying that. what I am saying is that despite the nerfs and flaws, it's important to enjoy playing your class, regardless; and it's pointless ranting/getting frustrated because that will not change things any faster. I'm not going to repeat myself, and go over my points again.</font></span></div></blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote>So, in a nutshell, the only difference between you and the rest of us is the fact that those who "complain" louder and more frustrated were simply around the issue for a long time, and you are new to the problem.Bet ya if you had played an assassin since release you would be the one complaing here, and someone else would accuse you of trolling and flaming.That sorted out please just understand that the majority of the people posting here have maxed their level a long time ago, have spent a hell of a lot more time playing an assassin than you have done, and probably every little trick you use has, at one time or another, been invented and posted by the guys you accuse here.Hope you don't take it to hard that those guys don't take your criticism too seriously <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[DaigleD]

Ok, I usually don't post on the forums but this one kind of struck a nerve.All of you who are sub-60 enjoying your class, great. I enjoyed my class at that point as well. However there are reasons for the complaints. Example:If you buy what's supposed to be the best sports car on the market, drive it around for a few months and break it in, only to find out months later that all the things you were promised in the car were actually not true, how would you feel? Then after approaching the manufacturer about the issues and pointing out what needs to happen in order for you to get what was promised, you get ignored over and over, it starts to take it's toll. Just because you can drive it 150+ MPH doesn't mean that it's the best and it never will be until things are looked at and fixed. Would you tolerate this? Absolutely not. We pay to play this game, it isn't free, so what's up with the empty promises? Why should I have to re-roll my character because someone isn't doing their job and it's detrimental to the majority of the assassin community's game play?I can speak for most with confidence that we strive to be the absolute best as an Assassin, raiding or whatever situation may come up. We are supposed to be at the top of the list in DPS, and if we aren't an opinion starts to formulate and it goes a little something like this, "god that assassin sucks." The fact that we are out dps'd by those who aren't even supposed to be on the same level, is flat out embarrassing. Not to mention the fact that other predator / rogue classes have much more useful skills and cool skills I might add. What can we do? Dmg? That's about it. No fun skills to play with, unlike other rogue and predator classes.So please, when your character has completely gone through puberty and is all grown up and experienced, come back and we'll see if you have the same feelings. Until then, try and read as much as you can so you can have a better understanding as to why people complain the way they do.Flame away

[judged_one]

Here is why people are complaining:Our class is a joke.When someone in the same subclass (Predator) Can out DPS consistenly by 200+, and dont really have to worry about AOE in raid.When someone can summon a pet that does more DPS then youWhen someone can stand in AOE ranger and have similar DPSMeanwhile,You freaking die if you stay in on a raid mob more then 1 aoeYou try harder then all the other class, just so you are not a liability in raid.And I totally agree with rolling an alt, if Sony will kindly let me unattune my fables so I can roll a swashy or brigand alt.Well my fury is 52 now : ) and hopefully Fury won't get [Removed for Content] in the [Removed for Content] like assassin.And guess what when they finally decided to nerf Ranger we will be nerfed too.Do you really think bows are supose to proc weapon procs? I don't think so either.

[pczry]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>judged_one wrote:Here is why people are complaining:Our class is a joke.When someone in the same subclass (Predator) Can out DPS consistenly by 200+, and dont really have to worry about AOE in raid. <font color="#00cc00"><i>you mean you want SOE to give assassin Amazing Reflex like brigand so we can stay in AOE?</i></font>When someone can summon a pet that does more DPS then you  <font color="#00cc00"><i>are you saying we should get a pet like specialize classes who are meant to get a pet?</i></font>When someone can stand in AOE ranger and have similar DPS <font color="#00cc00"><i>you want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger?</i></font><hr></blockquote>hell if we get all that, it would be UNBALANCE?</span></div>

[DaigleD]

<blockquote><hr>pczryan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>judged_one wrote:Here is why people are complaining:Our class is a joke.When someone in the same subclass (Predator) Can out DPS consistenly by 200+, and dont really have to worry about AOE in raid. <font color="#00cc00"><i>you mean you want SOE to give assassin Amazing Reflex like brigand so we can stay in AOE?</i></font>When someone can summon a pet that does more DPS then you  <font color="#00cc00"><i>are you saying we should get a pet like specialize classes who are meant to get a pet?</i></font>When someone can stand in AOE ranger and have similar DPS <font color="#00cc00"><i>you want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger?</i></font><hr></blockquote>hell if we get all that, it would be UNBALANCE?</span></div><hr></blockquote>No you frigin [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that is not what he's saying. Pay attention and quit putting words into people's mouths.What he is doing is basically confirming what I said in my post above his.Our counterpart in the Predator class can CONSISTANTLY out dps an assassin. Is this correct? Absolutely not.The amazing reflex skill brigands get, just one of the more USEFUL reasons of having another class than Assassin.Someone summoning a pet that does more dps, that's just sad ... it really is.Do we want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger? NO all we want is our frigin offensive stance to be the SAME PERCENTAGE SINCE WE'RE THE SAME SUBCLASS and not 10% instead of 30%Put some thought into your mindless post next time.

[pczry]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>DaigleD wrote:<blockquote><hr>pczryan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>judged_one wrote:Here is why people are complaining:Our class is a joke.When someone in the same subclass (Predator) Can out DPS consistenly by 200+, and dont really have to worry about AOE in raid. <font color="#00cc00"><i>you mean you want SOE to give assassin Amazing Reflex like brigand so we can stay in AOE?</i></font>When someone can summon a pet that does more DPS then you  <font color="#00cc00"><i>are you saying we should get a pet like specialize classes who are meant to get a pet?</i></font>When someone can stand in AOE ranger and have similar DPS <font color="#00cc00"><i>you want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger?</i></font><hr></blockquote>hell if we get all that, it would be UNBALANCE?</span></div><hr></blockquote>No you frigin [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that is not what he's saying. Pay attention and quit putting words into people's mouths.What he is doing is basically confirming what I said in my post above his.Our counterpart in the Predator class can CONSISTANTLY out dps an assassin. Is this correct? Absolutely not.The amazing reflex skill brigands get, just one of the more USEFUL reasons of having another class than Assassin.Someone summoning a pet that does more dps, that's just sad ... it really is.Do we want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger? NO all we want is our frigin offensive stance to be the SAME PERCENTAGE SINCE WE'RE THE SAME SUBCLASS and not 10% instead of 30%Put some thought into your mindless post next time.<hr></blockquote>lol you make me laugh man, good one, name calling already, big man on the block.  Yes, my posting are mindless thoughts as you said, but just remember, i'm not the one [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing about a class thats working fine, maybe you need to put some more thought into learning how to play your class?  and excuse me for not reading the WHOLE thread, i tend to enoy reading post made by judge one only ;p</span></div>

[DaigleD]

Yea your right, maybe I need to learn how to play my class better .... Tell that to every other L60 Assassin who has the same issues. Name calling is only warranted when it's deserved and since you KNOW your posts are mindless and you don't read the entire post, why don't you just stop posting all together and do us a favor.

[pczry]

gee thats funny, all the lvl60 assassin i know dont have a problem playing their class at all?  and opps i posted again, report me please.<div></div>

[Esar]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>DaigleD wrote:Yea your right, maybe I need to learn how to play my class better .... Tell that to every other L60 Assassin who has the same issues. Name calling is only warranted when it's deserved and since you KNOW your posts are mindless and you don't read the entire post, why don't you just stop posting all together and do us a favor.<hr></blockquote><p>Lol someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. temper temper.</p><p>We always put an assassin in MT group b/c of the hate transfer thing and our assassins are TOP DPS out DPSING rangers usually.  I dunno, i'm a monk but then i'm an assassin noob.  But i do know that you name calling and screaming like an idiot wont get your anywhere either.</p><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">01-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:48 PM</span></p>

[G3M]

<div></div><div><span><font size="3" color="#ffffcc"><font color="#ffffff"><font size="3" color="#ff9900">WARNING: If you are one of these people who hates words like "constructive", etc, then don't read my post.</font></font></font></span><span>Okay I've posted my opinions, even spelled it out for those who were unable to grasp my basic points, and like I originally said, it's just one of my opinions, I'm not flaming anyone, nor am I ranting in this thread. So this is the last time I'm responding to anyone's replies to my opinion of how some people get stressed out too much over the nerfs and problems, and of the manner in that these players complain/criticise. If you still have a problem with what I said, fine, it's your problem.I admit it pisses me off to see people ranting at SOE about the problems that the assassin class has, instead of complaining in a constructive manner <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(if they insist on moaning about the nerfs and whatever)</font>. It's my problem, but I'm not alone in this view. </span><span>It seems to me that they just aren't able to enjoy their class fully <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(not speaking for everyone, but if they were able to enjoy playing an assassin FULLY, they wouldn't waste so much time moaning about nerfs to the assassin class, and so on)</font>. I can understand assassin players wanting the best for their class, I'm the same, I would like to see some stuff changed for the better, to put us on an even footing compared to rangers. But other than submitting bug reports and submitting constructive feedback/criticism about the problems I come across, or about the nerfs etc, I just concentrate on enjoying playing EQ2, and I know there are others who share a similar view<font size="3" color="#ffffcc"> (again, not speaking for everyone, just those who I know from in-game, who I've spoken to about this sort of thing, and from what some people have posted on the forums)<font color="#ffffff">.<font color="#ff9900"></font></font></font></span><div><span></span></div><span><blockquote><hr>scivias wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>G3MM4 wrote:<div><span><blockquote><div><span><font color="#ff0000">Did I say don't complain at all? No I didn't. There's a way of giving feedback or "complaining" in a constructive manner, NOT by ranting or getting frustrated, that's what's so negative, that's what a lot of people do on the forums. It's pointless.</font><font color="#ff0000">It's not relevant imo. If you want to compare or whatever, go ahead but I have no interest in doing what you are asking of me, unless we can talk about rangers, since they are predators like assassins are. Other than that I don't see how you could balance a scout class in relation to say a priest, or a mage or a fighter, since they all perform differently.</font> <font color="#ff0000">I'm not saying that. what I am saying is that despite the nerfs and flaws, it's important to enjoy playing your class, regardless; and it's pointless ranting/getting frustrated because that will not change things any faster. I'm not going to repeat myself, and go over my points again.</font></span></div></blockquote></span></div><hr></blockquote>So, in a nutshell, the only difference between you and the rest of us is the fact that those who "complain" louder and more frustrated were simply around the issue for a long time, and you are new to the problem. <font color="#ff0000">Imo those who complain the loudest about the nerfs and whatever (for any class, not just the assassin class) are the ones who need to lighten up and realise that it's just a game. <span>:smileywink:</span> And I'm not new to the problem, I just have a different way of dealing with it. Don't forget I have been playing since about a month or so after release, and have seen many problems in-game (not all of them necessarily related to the assassin class itself, but also with other classes  and their nerfs, with the game mechanics, and so on), </font><font color="#ff0000"><i>but I don't make a habit</i></font><font color="#ff0000"> of submitting <i>unconstructive feedback, and attacking SOE</i> for these problems. Okay so I haven't played through beta or since day #1 after EQ2 went live, but that makes very little difference to me. Overall, I've played for long enough to have experienced problems.The real difference between myself and those who I am referring to, is that I tend to realise that it's just a game, and get over it, whereas there are some who think it's okay to verbal abuse SOE for these problems/nerfs, and make demands, constantly complaining/criticising and often blaming their own shortcomings in terms of player skill etc on the class. Not everyone is like that, thankfully, but if you think I am wrong, then go and take a good look around the forums.</font>Bet ya if you had played an assassin since release you would be the one complaing here, and someone else would accuse you of trolling and flaming. <font color="#ff0000">Nope, I've played many classes, and got some of them up high enough to encounter more bugs and balancing problems and so on, and you don't find me flaming/trolling SOE for these problems. I still enjoyed playing these classes regardless, untill I deleted them and switched servers to better suit my timezone. I am just over half way into the level progression (currently level 34) for assassin, and you think I haven't encountered some problems with the class? I expect to find more soon enough, but I can guarrantee I will not be complaining in an unconstructive manner, I will not be flaming SOE for it either. I also won't be moaning about the nerfs. Instead what I will do is submit constructive feedback, either via in-game or on the forums. BTW complaining constructively is not the same as flaming/trolling/complaing unconstructively. I'll leave you to think about that one. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>That sorted out please just understand that the majority of the people posting here have maxed their level a long time ago, have spent a hell of a lot more time playing an assassin than you have done, and probably every little trick you use has, at one time or another, been invented and posted by the guys you accuse here. <font color="#ff0000">Doesn't make any difference to me how long they have played. These guys are not superior to myself or other lower level players. In fact, I have known quite a few of these players complain they can't do this or that with their class, and then I see some other players of similar level groups say that they can in fact do the very things that the other group of players claim they can't do. So your attempt at making out that I'm somewhat inferior as a lower level assassin just doesn't wash. Please understand that I'm not getting at those who post in a meaningful/constructive manner, even when posting criticism/complaints. And it doesn't mean that SOE will take them any more seriously than they will take low level and mid level  players like myself. It's not just the high level players who experience problems, although they get their fair share.</font>Hope you don't take it to hard that those guys don't take your criticism too seriously <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <font color="#ff0000">I don't care if you do take me seriously or not. Funny how you think you can speak for every high level assassin out there. I hope I didn't get to you too much with my so called "criticism". <span>:smileywink:</span></font><font color="#ff0000"></font></span></div><hr></blockquote></span></div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>DaigleD wrote:<blockquote><hr>pczryan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>judged_one wrote:Here is why people are complaining:Our class is a joke.When someone in the same subclass (Predator) Can out DPS consistenly by 200+, and dont really have to worry about AOE in raid. <font color="#00cc00"><i>you mean you want SOE to give assassin Amazing Reflex like brigand so we can stay in AOE?</i></font>When someone can summon a pet that does more DPS then you  <font color="#00cc00"><i>are you saying we should get a pet like specialize classes who are meant to get a pet?</i></font>When someone can stand in AOE ranger and have similar DPS <font color="#00cc00"><i>you want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger?</i></font><hr></blockquote>hell if we get all that, it would be UNBALANCE?</span></div><hr></blockquote>No you frigin [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that is not what he's saying. Pay attention and quit putting words into people's mouths.What he is doing is basically confirming what I said in my post above his.Our counterpart in the Predator class can CONSISTANTLY out dps an assassin. Is this correct? Absolutely not. <font color="#ff0000">Doesn't mean assassin class is broken. Rangers, imo, are unbalanced. They are overpowered.</font>The amazing reflex skill brigands get, just one of the more USEFUL reasons of having another class than Assassin.<font color="#ff0000"> So what? If that's the case then go and roll a brigand.</font>Someone summoning a pet that does more dps, that's just sad ... it really is.Do we want crazy CA for range attacks like a ranger? NO all we want is our frigin offensive stance to be the SAME PERCENTAGE SINCE WE'RE THE SAME SUBCLASS and not 10% instead of 30% <font color="#ff0000">Like I said, rangers need tuning down a bit, but I agree, assassins do need to be boosted a bit more. On the other hand, the assassin class is not hopelessly broken.</font>Put some thought into your mindless post next time.<hr></blockquote></span></div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Demonskiller wrote:<div>i love the low level assassin enjoying their class and not care about being nerf</div><hr></blockquote>It's not just low level assassins, there are high level assassins who don't care about being nerfed etc, there are some in my guild for example.</span></div>

[G3M]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cubeman wrote:Its always fun to read both sides of the story because most people arent very constructive with their issues and the people that are happy with the profession never offer much reason for the way they feel nor do they offer any examples to counter what complainers say.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Could say the same about a lot of complainers. Not all of them offer good reasons for their complaints.</span></div>

[G3M]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>DaigleD wrote:Ok, I usually don't post on the forums but this one kind of struck a nerve.All of you who are sub-60 enjoying your class, great. I enjoyed my class at that point as well. However there are reasons for the complaints. Example:If you buy what's supposed to be the best sports car on the market, drive it around for a few months and break it in, only to find out months later that all the things you were promised in the car were actually not true, how would you feel? Then after approaching the manufacturer about the issues and pointing out what needs to happen in order for you to get what was promised, you get ignored over and over, it starts to take it's toll. Just because you can drive it 150+ MPH doesn't mean that it's the best and it never will be until things are looked at and fixed. Would you tolerate this? Absolutely not. <font color="#ff0000">True, but then anyone in their right minds wouldn't buy the manufacturer's product(s) if they were that unhappy with the issues. It's the same with this game. If you are that unhappy then why are you continuing to pay the monthly fee?</font> We pay to play this game, it isn't free, so what's up with the empty promises? <font color="#ff0000">What empty promises? Who said they were promises? I've yet to see a dev say they PROMISE something and fail to deliver. It's a large discussion board so I apologise if I've missed any dev post saying they PROMISE something and then fail to deliver. Ever considered that SOE devs have a lot to do and cannot do everything all at once? It will get done when it's done?</font> Why should I have to re-roll my character because someone isn't doing their job and it's detrimental to the majority of the assassin community's game play? <font color="#ff0000">It's your opinion someone is not doing their job. Fine, so why are you still playing the game? If youe enjoyment is so badly impaired because someone is not doing their job, then you have no excuse but to terminate your subscription. And it amazes me how you think you can speak for the majority of the assassin community. :p And if it's that bad then tell me why there are so many assassins on my server?</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>I can speak for most with confidence that we strive to be the absolute best as an Assassin, raiding or whatever situation may come up. We are supposed to be at the top of the list in DPS, and if we aren't an opinion starts to formulate and it goes a little something like this, "god that assassin sucks." The fact that we are out dps'd by those who aren't even supposed to be on the same level, is flat out embarrassing. <font color="#ff0000">Then that is to do with you and your emotions about assassins perform. I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with the assassin class, it does need more work, but there is no shame in being an assassin. I've never once felt embarrassed about how I perform as an assassin, no matter how eell the others in my group performs. I don't compare myself as an assassin to them. It's like this, I just don't care what other people think of my assassin, their opinion of my toon is not important to me. Just because rangers for example out performs assassins, doesn't mean the assassin class is crap. Assassins are a nice class to play in their own right. </font>Not to mention the fact that other predator / rogue classes have much more useful skills and cool skills I might add. What can we do? Dmg? That's about it. No fun skills to play with, unlike other rogue and predator classes. <font color="#ff0000">So why don't you go and play these classes instead? Don't give me the "why should I..." crap. There is nothing to stop you from rolling a different class. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>So please, when your character has completely gone through puberty and is all grown up and experienced, come back and we'll see if you have the same feelings. Until then, try and read as much as you can so you can have a better understanding as to why people complain the way they do. <font color="#ff0000">I know why people complain, I'm not saying they shouldn't. Just that there is no point in ranting about it, even to the point of being abusive like some do. I read a lot, why do you think I'm saying that people need to chill out more? At 34, my toon is hardly inexperienced. It's not as experienced as a level 50 or 60 but it's not in the "puberty stage" either. Either way there's no need to be so negative when talking about the problems. Try to understand that.</font>Flame away<hr></blockquote></span></div>

[Aienaa]

<div></div><p></p><hr><p>I admit it pisses me off to see people ranting at SOE about the problems that the assassin class has, instead of complaining in a constructive manner <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(if they insist on moaning about the nerfs and whatever)</font>. It's my problem, but I'm not alone in this view. <span>It seems to me that they just aren't able to enjoy their class fully <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(not speaking for everyone, but if they were able to enjoy playing an assassin FULLY, they wouldn't waste so much time moaning about nerfs to the assassin class, and so on)</font>. I can understand assassin players wanting the best for their class, I'm the same, I would like to see some stuff changed for the better, to put us on an even footing compared to rangers. But other than submitting bug reports and submitting constructive feedback/criticism about the problems I come across, or about the nerfs etc, I just concentrate on enjoying playing EQ2, and I know there are others who share a similar view<font size="3" color="#ffffcc"> (again, not speaking for everyone, just those who I know from in-game, who I've spoken to about this sort of thing, and from what some people have posted on the forums)<font color="#ffffff">.</font></font></p><p></p><hr><p> </p><p><font color="#66ffff">Maybe you should check out the hundreds of posts here on the forums where people have put in CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK and then look at the results of such feedback....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Or, just scroll tothe top and read the </font><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=8001" target="_blank"><font color="#66ffff">Current State of the Assassin</font></a><font color="#66ffff"> thread, which was full of constructive feedback.... </font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">What you will find is that we, the Assassin class as a whole, have been either ignored or had the good ideas we had submitted twisted into some kind of a nerf...</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">For example...  The made Contrieved Weapon usable from the front and boosted it damage.... That was good...  But, it cost us making Cripple Strike rear attack only....   Yeah, we can do about the same damage, but now we lost our major debuff in soloing because they made it rear only....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Assassin's history is riddled with changed like that...  And you wonder why people are not so pleasent about it now....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Another example.... They up Proc Rates for melee, but remove poison procs from off hand weapons....  First change was good, but then they turn right around and toss in another nerf...  And the list goes on....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">You'll also notice that alot of the people that submitted all the constructive feedback no longer post here....   The reason for that is simple....  They have either quit the game because it became too unenjoyable, or they have given up on having the class fixed.... </font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Basicly, people are getting tired of getting kicked in the balls and being expected to smile about it.....  (does not apply to our female Assassins out there, but I am sure they can come up with something similiar)....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">From what I have seen, your relativly new to the Assassin forums, maybe after you have been here a while your views will change, maybe not....  Only time will tell....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff"></font> </p><p><font color="#66ffff">Gwern - 60 Assassin - Kithicor</font></p><p> </p></span>

[DaigleD]

<blockquote><hr>Aienaa wrote:<div></div><p></p><hr><p>I admit it pisses me off to see people ranting at SOE about the problems that the assassin class has, instead of complaining in a constructive manner <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(if they insist on moaning about the nerfs and whatever)</font>. It's my problem, but I'm not alone in this view. <span>It seems to me that they just aren't able to enjoy their class fully <font size="3" color="#ffffcc">(not speaking for everyone, but if they were able to enjoy playing an assassin FULLY, they wouldn't waste so much time moaning about nerfs to the assassin class, and so on)</font>. I can understand assassin players wanting the best for their class, I'm the same, I would like to see some stuff changed for the better, to put us on an even footing compared to rangers. But other than submitting bug reports and submitting constructive feedback/criticism about the problems I come across, or about the nerfs etc, I just concentrate on enjoying playing EQ2, and I know there are others who share a similar view<font size="3" color="#ffffcc"> (again, not speaking for everyone, just those who I know from in-game, who I've spoken to about this sort of thing, and from what some people have posted on the forums)<font color="#ffffff">.</font></font></p><p></p><hr><p> </p><p><font color="#66ffff">Maybe you should check out the hundreds of posts here on the forums where people have put in CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK and then look at the results of such feedback....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Or, just scroll tothe top and read the </font><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=40&message.id=8001" target="_blank"><font color="#66ffff">Current State of the Assassin</font></a><font color="#66ffff"> thread, which was full of constructive feedback.... </font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">What you will find is that we, the Assassin class as a whole, have been either ignored or had the good ideas we had submitted twisted into some kind of a nerf...</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">For example...  The made Contrieved Weapon usable from the front and boosted it damage.... That was good...  But, it cost us making Cripple Strike rear attack only....   Yeah, we can do about the same damage, but now we lost our major debuff in soloing because they made it rear only....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Assassin's history is riddled with changed like that...  And you wonder why people are not so pleasent about it now....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Another example.... They up Proc Rates for melee, but remove poison procs from off hand weapons....  First change was good, but then they turn right around and toss in another nerf...  And the list goes on....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">You'll also notice that alot of the people that submitted all the constructive feedback no longer post here....   The reason for that is simple....  They have either quit the game because it became too unenjoyable, or they have given up on having the class fixed.... </font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">Basicly, people are getting tired of getting kicked in the balls and being expected to smile about it.....  (does not apply to our female Assassins out there, but I am sure they can come up with something similiar)....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff">From what I have seen, your relativly new to the Assassin forums, maybe after you have been here a while your views will change, maybe not....  Only time will tell....</font></p><p><font color="#66ffff"></font> </p><p><font color="#66ffff">Gwern - 60 Assassin - Kithicor</font></p><p> </p></span><hr></blockquote>Amen

[Miele]

Played an assassin for 6+ months since launch, then quitted for a good while and recently came back, but I rerolled for a change of style (I wanna tank now).Pre combat changes is where I spent most of the time and assassins back there were not balanced at all, nor for soloing neither for grouping.I always told myself: "if I'm in the group, the mob dies faster" as a sort of compensation, ignoring that if a wizard was in the group the mob died even faster.There are issue with the class, this is not deniable, if you (and I back in the past) enjoy it anyway, more power to you, but I honestly feel a total waste of cyberspace you coming on these boards and telling those who want their class fixed to shut up and suck it.1 year ago or so, tons of brawlers and knights made a crusade to have the fighters all on an equal ground, as advertised and intended, so I don't see a single [Removed for Content] reason why scouts shouldn't do the same thing, especially assassins, supposedly tier 1 DPS.Now, if you have a bit of imagination, think what's going to happen when rangers will be nerfed (you know they will) and hopefully 'sins boosted: rangers will cry havoc and 'sins will say "I told ya" and move on. It's easy to move on when you didn't invest a lot of /played time and your class rocks, it's hard when after a year you suck as much as you did on day 1.So, if you enjoy your class, fine. Complaining about those that would like to see it fixed is worse than complaining for having it fixed, think about it, you'll get it./bow<div></div>

[mattsinner]

<div></div><p>i tried various classes before i tried the assassin, and it wasnt untill then i got really addicted to eq2.</p><p>now, i was lvl 50 before DoF (pre-CU) and ive been lvl 60 for a while now, im in a guild that raids 5 days a week (not a hardcore raiding guild but still, we´ve done all t6 raids, save contested mobs) and my assassin is of course my main character</p><p>all that put aside, i STILL love playing my assassin, if i didnt i would reroll right away</p><p>some people seem to complain for the sake of complaining, for instance i remember when DoF was released.. it took about 1 day before someone posted on the forum "assassins were NERFED". the dude probaly logged in, saw that they changed some stuff, couldnt handle it, and went crying on the forum. remember, were alot better of now than pre-CU (when we didnt stack at all with other assassins, assassinate was on an hour timer etc etc)</p><p>i think its great (i really do) that some people thinks out constructive ways to better the assassin, what i CANT STAND is the crybabies. i mean really, 75% or so of the posts on the assassin forum has got to be someone wineing.</p><p>i say re-roll or think out something constructive instead</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[scivias]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>mattsinner wrote:<div></div><p>it took about 1 day before someone posted on the forum "assassins were NERFED". the dude probaly logged in, saw that they changed some stuff, couldnt handle it, and went crying on the forum.</p><hr></blockquote>Every profession had this guys in the early DoF days.. but after all settled down and everyone agreed that they have, by far and large, been beefed up some people figured that classes weren't beefed up the way that was introduced as the tier system according tu lu13.To even imply all complaining basically relates to one theoretical crybaby isn't gonna do the job as an argument.</span></div>

[mattsinner]

<div>"To even imply all complaining basically relates to one theoretical crybaby isn't gonna do the job as an argument."</div><div> </div><div>When did i say that? I said some people complain for the sake of complaining, "some people" means more than "one theoretical crybaby". The person that was crying nerf when DoF was released was just an example, people on this forum tend to complain a lot.</div>

[scivias]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>mattsinner wrote: <div>When did i say that? I said some people complain for the sake of complaining, "some people" means more than "one theoretical crybaby". The person that was crying nerf when DoF was released was just an example, people on this forum tend to complain a lot.</div><hr></blockquote>It was an implication, as I said. I also have a 60 inquisitor, check out out forum some time, no complaining or whining at all.. maybe, after all, the complaining bout assassins has a point after all?</span></div>

[Golled]

<div>Alright, Lets start this by saying playing an assassin from 1 to 60 was a blast...once i got there it went down hill a bit. I've been 60 for a while and while I do enjoy my class I do think its unfair that I under-dps (by a noticable margin) incompairison to our qeynos counterpart...even on a non-AoE mob where i am DPSing constantly....going all out as i am in the MT grp to transfer hate. I'm parsing just over 740 while he is still sitting at almost 900 and I have used Assassinate and Finishing Blow 2x and he has yet to use Sniper Shot. Thats where we should be...right up there at almost 900 not 160dps below them. And I've burned myself out of power at this point he's still at 30% (not really complaining just an observation). Drop our timers a bit...up our damage on some of our faster recast backstabs (punchblade?).</div><div> </div><div>O and if you feel the need to flame w/e. And don't say stupid crap like "well if you don't like it re-roll". I'm not gonna I bustted my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to get to where I am and am proud of what I have accomplished, but getting passed up for a raid slot because someone does more dps than me is not cool if were supposed to be on par with each other.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Chox</div><div>60 Assassin</div><div>Antonia Bayle </div>

[mattsinner]

<div><blockquote><hr>mattsinner wrote: <div>When did i say that? I said some people complain for the sake of complaining, "some people" means more than "one theoretical crybaby". The person that was crying nerf when DoF was released was just an example, people on this forum tend to complain a lot.</div><hr></blockquote>It was an implication, as I said. I also have a 60 inquisitor, check out out forum some time, no complaining or whining at all.. maybe, after all, the complaining bout assassins has a point after all?</div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>or maybe people just cant see the difference between a burst DPS class, and a maintaned DPS class?</div><div>or maybe they keep comparing themselves with classes that are overpowered?</div><div>who knows..</div><div> </div>