Wow!! Kind of surprised about the posts...

[ntge]

<DIV>Played EQ2 at release just long enough to get my Ranger wanna-bee to 20.  Was thinking about coming back and trying an assassin but reading this board makes me have 2nd thoughts.  Is the Assassin class really this frustrating or is it the angry people posting?  Any advice would be appreciated.  I visited a few of the other class boards and nobody (as a group) seems as peeved as you guys.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trae</DIV>

[Paradigm]

<DIV>I personally have a lot of fun playing my Assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All i do now pretty much is raid, since I am in a strict raiding guild and have been 60 for a while now, and I have to say I have a lot of fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also play some alts, so I frequent some of the other class forums, and it is true that there are very few boards with as much complaining as the assassin forum, and I ask myself my god why.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While there are other classes where I sometimes wish I had their abilities (the brigands ability to avoid all aoe that do not directly target them - espeically on raids like the gate of ahket aken with mobs that have DUAL aoes... try timing those!) I still am overall glad I chose the Assassin way back when the game first started before anyone knew anything about any of the classes.</DIV>

[Skratttt]

<DIV>No no we are a good class...with stuff that needs looking into.....we arent as geat soloers as rangers...let alone wizards/warlocks......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And provide less utilities than brigs/swashies...but alltogether if you are able to withstand the hard lvl's you will be compensated with a adequate dmg dealing  (in non solo situation though <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV>

[Lagge]

<DIV>We are gimped, second rate citizens.  Always have been and always will.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can and will have fun with your assassin, but you will also be more frustrated than ever watching other classes solo soloable quests that you cant complete without help (and even then you get told "its soloable, I done it when I was level 20, your level 52...").  Or watching other classes press 1 button in a fight and outdamage you when you have to do countless things just to get average dps per fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think around 70% of assassins are no more due to the inability of SOE to recognise the plight of the assassin.</DIV>

[stormcod]

<P>I whole heartedly disagree. My poisons do dps like an SK (not always). I love the class ofcourse. That being said, too many mobs 8 levels below me can see me in stealth <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Plus, I think most casters just post garbage on the forums to [Removed for Content] us off (even though it is true that warlocks do sick damage).</P> <P> </P>

[screenid]

<P>:smileyhappy:</P> <P> </P> <P>I have a blast playing my assassin...</P> <P>If there are issues ?  I do not notice them...</P> <P>I do not care what a wizzie/warlock/ranger can do.....</P> <P>Assassin is a great class!!!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by screenid on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:30 AM</span>

[Paradigm]

<DIV>People who sit around and complain about being an assassin or call themselves "second rate citizens" need to just play another class, because they obviously lack the skill required to be an assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any assassin with decent spell upgrades should have no trouble at all being in the top 6 dps for a raid... and if you do, you either arent trying or have recently suffered a full frontal labotomy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure we cant solo worth hell. But if you chose an assassin to be an elite soloer, you excersize some serious lack of judgment. I dont think any sane person would think to themselves "hey, I want to solo well, so I will pick a class whose damage stems from 90% behind the mob!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want to play alone and solo all the time then be a crusader. But if you want to be an actual asset to a raiding guild, then assassin is a great choice.</DIV> <P>While we may not be a perfect class, and have some issues that need attention, what class doesnt? To say we are, and I quote, "gimped," would be an absurd statment with no logic to back it up.</P><p>Message Edited by Paradigmer on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:33 PM</span>

[Graton]

<div></div>this is just exaggeration on the flip side really. assassins can do great dmg in groups and raiding. i'm consistently in the top3 on the majority of t5 and t6 raid fights. as for being a huge asset to a raiding guild... not so much for a couple of reasons.1. rangers are simply better on a raid. they get aggro less from a better detaunt skill, do more dmg ( due to proc rate when using ranged ca's ) and they don't need to joust the many many ae's that mobs throw out2. you can't run across majdul without tripping on 18 assassins. they are LOTS of them which means few guilds are ever actively looking for them.if you want to play a class that is typically wanted and needed by raid guilds i would choose one of the following1. brigand - huge melee debuff ability and there are almost none of them. they also are immune to ae's which is absolutely enormous in terms of raiding2. warlock - fantastic ranged dmg and zero stacking issues3. coercer - once again there are very few and each guild i've been in always is looking for one4. beserkers - excellent tanks , offtanks and can do great dps. in ae fights they are lethal5. ranger - for the reasons listed above<p>Message Edited by Graton on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>

[scivias]

I was a very early lvl 50 assassin on my server, I raided a lot with him, now I have as alts 60 inq, 46 monk and 44 illu .. my assassin is stuck at 57 for about 3 months now.I recon I do know how to play my class, and the assassin is no fun to me at all anymore.<div></div>

[Greenjel]

I just love the ignorant people that say "learn to play your class."<BR><BR> <DIV>Maybe you're dense, or haven't read any of the posts here but MOST of the people complaining are the high end raiding assassins. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do you think there's maybe a chance they know what they're talking about, you know, from seeing multiple parses that are laughable?  I've seen necro assassin pets beat real assassins.  WTB: balance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers beat us hands down.  Brigands beat us, swashies beat us, caster classes BLOW US OUT OF THE WATER.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree that casters should definitely be higher dps, but we should be on par with rangers and without question above brigands and swashes to make up for the utility they get (And don't give me the "oh we barely get any."  it's a hell of a lot more than we get!)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It just pisses me off when ignorant people post and probably affect SOE's opinion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, assassins can do reasonable damage, with high spikes.  This is not enough.  If you think you're doing a great job dps-wise, you have no basis of comparision or are kidding yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once the recast timers on our big CA's come down, we will be where we should be.  That's it.  Super easy fix.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>End of story. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Dastard,</DIV> <DIV>55 assassin,<BR>Neriak</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ntge]

<P>Thanks to everybody who has responded so far, I really appreciate it.  I have traditionally played assassins on the RPG games I have played due to the fact that 1) I like rogues, 2) I like large amounts of front end damage, 3) I like to dabble with poisons.</P> <P>Unfortunately, I also like to solo.  This is mainly due to the fact that due to my family obligations (two kids and a wife) I often find myself playing at odd hours and/or alone.  I don't have a guild yet in game either.  It seems like so far every post has said that for soloing, Assassins suck.  It's not thta I am looking to be uber-anything, I just want to be able to enjoy my game time.</P> <P>So, the consensus is that if I enjoy soloing, an Assassin would be a BAD move, or just more difficult?  Thanks again.</P> <P>Trae</P><p>Message Edited by ntgeek on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:03 PM</span>

[Iccurus]

sounds like you should roll up a swashie there (no brigs in my guild so I don't know their soloability) but I've seen my swash friend with equipment comprable to mine solo mobs that tear me apart in no time... Of course I can outdps him in a group if I'm not lazying about or drinking... But we're talking about soloability & of the scouts I've seen that's their alley. <div></div>

[Forsaken Falc]

<P>Too the Person who said the ppl who choice an Assassin for Solo are sadly misjudgeing....</P> <P>Have You played this class out side of You'r EQ2 world?</P> <P>Assassins Work ALONE, Kill ALONE , Die ALONE,</P> <P>Assassins could solo (while it was difficult) pre DOF, Now were gimper then ever XD</P>

[kopingOwen]

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[Poochymama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kopingOwen wrote:<BR>[Removed for Content].[Removed for Content].I.N<BR><BR>Abandoned Super Sucky Anhiliator Searching Silently Improved Nerfing.... /end<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Assasins rock.</P> <P>Second best dps in the game. (first would go to rangers)</P>

[big da]

First of all the Assassin class is fun because it's maybe more challenging than some others. I made a Necro for when I feel like soloing a bit cause we pretty much suck at the solo game too many mobs see invis and all our best attacks are positional and stealthed and any arrow up mob turns when stunned so difficult to get off our biggest hits. I'm also in a purely raiding guild and it's a tough proposition some times. Trying to do damage and control the agro we get. I mean i'm talking no poisons no balls out spamming CA s and stealth big damage attacks until mob is nearing death. Raids hate it when you grab agro <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The frustrating thing for me in raids . one of which i just got done with is having to stand at range and use bow attacks only. I mean i do nice damage 1 to 2k per hit but we have  slow refreshing bow attacks All that aside i'm an assassin at heart <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Amise]

I've never  regretted choosing assassin.  I've always had fun and I love the class.  We've had more than our fair share of problems but they have not severely inhibited my ability to have fun and enjoy myself.I often find myself surprised by those who say we suck at soloing cause honestly I just don't find that to be the case, and I never have.  If you want to compare pre- and post-DoF then of course things look worse now.  Before DoF I was regularly soloing tundra jack, the broodmother, agony, and several other named.  I can't do that any more, but I can still solo for experience and even though other classes do it it better...I just don't care.  I have fun and that is all that matters. Grouping is ok I guess but when it comes to levelling I actually prefer to solo.  I'm kinda anti-social that way. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  So my experience there is probably limited compared to the average player.As far as raiding goes, I've been in the same raiding guild almost since day one, I raid every day and I enjoy that too.   It was indeed depressing to be parsing lower than T2 DPS but we're mostly past that stage and we're getting much closer to the the class [I think] we should be.<div></div>

[Sylnt]

<div></div>I love my Assassin.  I can solo just fine.  I could care less if other classes are beter at it.  I currently have a 52 Assassin and I can solo non heroic yellow encounters almost non-stop.  I can solo non-heroic groups of mobs, and singles.  Single non-heroic single ^ encounters can give you trouble due to cheapshot not lasting as long, but that is about it.  Hell if Assassinate is up I have soloed heroic white con ^^^ mobs.   I do raid but I am not a raiding super freak.  I spend the majority of my time soloing due to real life obligations my play  times are odd.  I agree that Assassins do still need attention with DPS.  There is no doubt that Assassins and Rangers should be doing the same amount of dammage but in different ways.   There should be no other melee class out there that can consistantly out dammage a Assassin/Ranger, but aparently there are.  To say Assassins are gimped is a bit over the top in my opinion.

[screenid]

<div>I do not understand why people say we cannot solo?????</div><div> </div><div>I am currently lvl 59 and 80% of the time I am playing solo.....group when needed for a quest ...or goofing off with friends.</div><div> </div><div>Solo (yellow on down ) mobs are cake</div><div> </div><div>Heroic ^^^ 7 to 10 lvls below me are easy</div><div> </div><div>Heroic ^^ (x2) 6 to 10 lvls below me are doable</div><div> </div><div>Heroic ^ (x4) 7 to 10 lvls below me are doable</div><div> </div><div>Heroic (x4) 6 to 10 lvls below me are doable</div><div> </div><div>Heroic ^^ (singles) 5 to 10 lvls below me are easy</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>When I solo I am in defensive stance ...((Avoidance really does make a difference)) mine stays between 52 to 56% atm</div><div> </div><div>So I will ask the people  who say we cannot solo?</div><div> </div><div>What are you trying to solo EPICS? ....... Heroics that are even cons? </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Graton]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Greenjelly wrote:<div></div>I just love the ignorant people that say "learn to play your class."<div>Maybe you're dense, or haven't read any of the posts here but MOST of the people complaining are the high end raiding assassins. </div><div> </div><div>Do you think there's maybe a chance they know what they're talking about, you know, from seeing multiple parses that are laughable?  I've seen necro assassin pets beat real assassins.  WTB: balance.</div><div> </div><div>Rangers beat us hands down.  Brigands beat us, swashies beat us, caster classes BLOW US OUT OF THE WATER.</div><div> </div><div>I agree that casters should definitely be higher dps, but we should be on par with rangers and without question above brigands and swashes to make up for the utility they get (And don't give me the "oh we barely get any."  it's a hell of a lot more than we get!)</div><div> </div><div>It just pisses me off when ignorant people post and probably affect SOE's opinion.</div><div> </div><div>Yes, assassins can do reasonable damage, with high spikes.  This is not enough.  If you think you're doing a great job dps-wise, you have no basis of comparision or are kidding yourself.</div><div> </div><div>Once the recast timers on our big CA's come down, we will be where we should be.  That's it.  Super easy fix.</div><div> </div><div>End of story. </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>-Dastard,</div><div>55 assassin,Neriak</div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>You seem to know alot about assassin raid damage for a guy who's level 55 and unguilded.  Your "most of the people here are high end raiding assassins" is pretty funny since it should have read "most of the people here, myself excluded are in high end raiding guilds and even though i'm not even close to 60 that isn't going to stop me from acting like a complete know-it-all for the remainder of this post." Then you close things up with "End of Story" the ultimate stroke of arrogance as if after enlightening us with your remarkably informed opinion we might as well close this thread as the almighty has finished chiming in.Hey I'm all for deferring where there's an area I don't know something about but it's ironic to see someone come out guns blazing who is 5 lvls from the current cap and not in a guild. Come on already, what credibility could you possibly have commenting on raid damage or even assassin dmg in general when you aren't 60 or raiding? Maybe you raided when 50 was the lvl cap but there's been a complete combat revamp since then and whatever experience you had there is no longer close to relevant.I raid every night in a guild that has swashbucklers, rangers, a brigand, wizards & warlocks. I'm usually number 2 in terms of damage behind one of the rangers. I can't touch him and it isn't because I don't know how to play. A well-played ranger does do more dmg than us, no question and it's all about two things.1. the amount of dmg they can do with adeste's disruption and the crazy proc rate when chaining bow ca's.2. their superior deaggro ability allowing them to cut loose more than usGive me an upgrade to reconnoiter and put me in a group with the backup guardian to dump even more aggro and I think I could certainly narrow that gap even further. As for brigands / swashies, on rare occasion I'm beat by them, but it's quite rare. Conjurors & Necros are no sweat also , and yes I'm including their pet damage. We aren't on par with rangers, but we're not near as bad as you're saying we are.</span></div>

[EtoilePirate]

Now that I've finally got gear to match my level (cobalt chest and legs, indium other stuff), soloing anything level 57 and under (I'm 54, close to dinging 55) is a cakewalk.  Even with high downtime (all my prov friends quit and I'm only up to 36 on the alt <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) in between fights, I still solo faster than just about everyone I know.There are things that need to be fixed with the class.  There are -- I'm not denying that.  But honestly every time I come to this board I feel like 90% of the posters are complaining for the sake of complaining, or from habit.  The class is not bad!  If you have decent skills (Adept I or better) and decent gear (at the very least, crafted of your tier -- higher always better), you shouldn't have troubles either grouped or soloing.<div></div>

[Greenjel]

<div></div><div></div><p>well thanks for checking up on me <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=14654"><span>Graton</span></a>, but the reason he's 55 and unguilded is because of the broken state of the class.  Personally I find it a bit strange you'd check up on me, but hey, you're the one with no life.</p><p>I also have a 58 coercer who IS guilded with a high end raiding guild on our server, and I pay very close attention.  I was at 50 for a while before DoF, and while things have changed slightly for the better we're still not where we should be.</p><p>That's the crazy thing about this game, you're not limited to one toon.. it's called an 'alt' or 'alternate character'.</p><p> </p><p>Dastard,55 assassin,Neriak</p><p>P.S., no offense but if you're beating the necros in your guild they're sleeping man.</p><p>Message Edited by Greenjelly on <span class="date_text">01-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:29 PM</span></p>