Why can't we have something too? Something small and simple like this.

[Tealdea]

<div></div>Today's update, 12/1/2005 ______________ Bruiser changes: - The Roughhouse line of combat arts should now deal damage correctly. ______________ Now why can't we see something like - Assassin changes: - The Blade Frenzy line of combat arts should now deal damage correctly and had it's chance to proc increased from 10% to 30%. ???????????????????????????? <div></div>

[Lagge]

<DIV>We can</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just need to persuade moorguard or one of the others to start playing an assassin <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Forsaken Falc]

<P>I know were not aloued to talk [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about the Dev's however...</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Moorguard is the worse Dev/GM In my intier gameing history!!! "This is great! let's keeping updateing my persoanly class so 100% of the population is a bruiser as main or an alt"!</P> <P>LOL I Personaly know people with there own server's (don't worry Dev's they don't waste there time or bandwitch illegaly running a server for any of your game's) who arnt eithen adult's yet who do a much better job of GMing and Balanceing and creatteing unquie great wounderfull idears for all (equaly!)</P> <P> </P> <P>There probally is an Illegal EQ2 server out there and my bet is its better then the one's here. LOL hell Illegal server's (NO [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]) take better care of removeing botter and unlegit player from there game then you do SOE! a legit cash makeing company (WHOS RULES STATE U CAN NOT BOT!)</P> <P> </P> <P>Honestly who ever is head of SOE fire Moorguard for only eva tweaking up bruiser's and hire people who know how to make the game FAIRE FOR ALL! (no im not saying give out easy hand out's)</P>

[Tealdea]

/cry mode on /tear /cry mode off That was beautiful... =') <div></div>

[khalysta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tealdeath wrote:<BR> <BR>Now why can't we see something like - <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>You quickly forget how we got quick fixes to skills like shrouded strike when it wasnt applying stealth on completing the skill.  It sounds like their skill worked one day and was broke the next so its really a similar situation to something we have seen <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Tealdea]

<span><blockquote><hr>khalysta wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Tealdeath wrote: <div></div>Now why can't we see something like - <hr> </blockquote> <div>You quickly forget how we got quick fixes to skills like shrouded strike when it wasnt applying stealth on completing the skill.  It sounds like their skill worked one day and was broke the next so its really a similar situation to something we have seen <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>That tends to happen when you are ignored and pushed off until the next time they can get arround to us... I forget, we forget. They want us to like them? They want us to acknowledge they're good doing for our class? Then we need a reason. I still don't understand, so many assassin's all aggree we need this, we need that, EVEN OTHER CLASS AGREE, but yet, even the test sever assasisn's are ignored. I've seen the dev half that works with UI files respond on threads about the hot bar not resizing correctly as the 4th or even 2nd/3rd post. We don't even get a  "ya know... we're just not going to change anything for the Assassin class, k?" I've seen dev's respond as one of the first 10 on a thread that deals with a certain skill having the wrong color for the icon (AE's as the majority) and we don't even get a "ya, the Anathema line was changed from 10 seconds recast timer to 20 seconds because we hate you and we don't want you useing your heroic order's that often with this skill". <font color="#6633ff">WT F IS IT WITH SOE AND BLUE? BLUE BACK GROND, BLUE ARMOR, BLUE THIS, BLUE THAT, YOU BLUE THEM <font color="#ffffff">>=) </font></font></span><div></div>

[Persi]

**REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>12-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>

[khalysta]

I am just pointing out that the bruiser change was a bug fix and not a balance fix. Those are two totally separate issues and we have recieved some fair treatment in the past when things were really broke and certain fundamentals like stealth at the end of an attack werent working. If punch blade or gore strike or some other skill suddenly was showing and doing 0 damage I bet it would also get hotfixed quickly because its a bug.  It's not a conspiracy to upgrade bruisers while downgrading the assassin like this thread seems to suggest.

[Forsaken Falc]

<DIV>It's not a conspiracy to upgrade bruisers while downgrading the assassin like this thread seems to suggest. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>uuummm when i got this game 3months after releas My Assassin (Main) had a hell of a hard time lvling looting grouping ext up to lvl 40ish</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my alt bruiser who i made like 1 week after my main i got her to lvl 26 soloing 80% of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i remember soloing mass numbers of ^^er's in FG that were 2-3 lvl's above me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my assassin on the othere hand........[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it its too depressing eithen to talk about it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but in protest of hateing bruiser's and there creator (u know who u r -.-) i delleted her. (90% of population now has an bruiser)</DIV>

[Craien]

The bruiser issue really was a bug fix; there's no conspiracy with this one.  Now, Tealdeath has very valid points also which I fully agree with.  I just don't believe the hotfix is a good argument.

[Tealdea]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>khalysta wrote:I am just pointing out that the bruiser change was a bug fix and not a balance fix. Those are two totally separate issues and we have recieved some fair treatment in the past when things were really broke and certain fundamentals like stealth at the end of an attack werent working. If punch blade or gore strike or some other skill suddenly was showing and doing 0 damage I bet it would also get hotfixed quickly because its a bug.  It's not a conspiracy to upgrade bruisers while downgrading the assassin like this thread seems to suggest. <div></div><hr></blockquote>With all respect to another Assassin (if you still play him/her) you might aswell go ahead and remove that "you quickly forget how the dev's quick fixed our mask of night line" non-sense out of your head because that was an issue that EVERY SINGLE ASSASSIN CLASS ON EVERY SERVER complained about and it was a demand FROM EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER ON THEIR ASSASSIN THAT DAY. There's no way to relate that to the issues we face now. When Mask of Night doesn't work, everyone's [Removed for Content] because it can slow us down to nearly 20% less DPS (give or take of course) and when one thing messes up for some other class that isn't stealth based guess what, THEY DON'T NEED THAT ONE ATTACK TO USE THE OTHERS! So they don't complain and yell as hard <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm not stating Bruiser conspiracy against Assassin's. No no, you misunderstood me. What I AM suggesting is to the dev's <font color="#ff0000">STOP PAYING SO MUCH DAM N ATTENTION TO CLASSES THAT ARE ALREADY IN A GREAT PRIME CONDITION AND FOCUS ON OTHERS THAT DON'T EVEN COMPARE. <font color="#ffffff">If you notice so many things about Wizzards to be able to keep them in a state where they're doing what they should, if you notice so many things about the Brawler classes that you can just up and fix them with no problem, then you should be able to do the same with the other classes. THIS IS YOUR GAME! You created it, you made the classes, and you don't even know what to do even tho the player base is telling and you throwing it not only before you eyes, but making you eat them they're so close to your face and yet you continue to ignore them.</font></font></span><div></div><p> <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Tealdeath on <span class=date_text>12-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:40 AM</span>

[khalysta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tealdeath wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR>I'm not stating Bruiser conspiracy against Assassin's. No no, you misunderstood me.</SPAN> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I wasnt talking about you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> the others however do act like there is some conspiracy going on<BR>

[Persi]

<DIV>If you read my post, I don't think  I ever stated anything about a conspiracy, I was just saying that you give the devs to much  credit for the small amount of time they actually put into this class. I mean, I'm not going to applaud someone for totaly disregarding the shortcomings of our class...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Orontes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV><p>Message Edited by Persis4 on <span class=date_text>12-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[dea]

<div></div>Bickering with each other gets us nowhere, neither will having more than one thread dealing with the same set of issues. The DEVs won't be reading every thread, we are painfully aware of that. Consolidate your issues into a new thread and let the discussion begin anew to address those specific issues and taking in account the most recent changes to our class with LU16 and LU17. There is no other way to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on public forums such as these.Good luck! For my part I am mostly happy with my Assassin, I'll certainly participate in the discussion but I have far fewer gripes than I did in the past -- mainly to do with the distribution of our DPS across our CAs instead of lumping most of it into auto-attack as it is now.<div></div><p>Message Edited by deaks on <span class=date_text>12-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:03 AM</span>

[BigRedJeff]

just too get back on track -- assassins r f ed up, and SOMETHING should be done.

[Bobbubski]

<span><blockquote><hr>Forsaken Falcon wrote: <div>my assassin on the othere hand........[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it its too depressing eithen to talk about it</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote> and yet here u are basting the assassin boards w/ your crass complaints.  do us a favor, grab a dictionary the next time u go to post.  i don't think the devs are ignoring your posts b/c of how rude you're being, rather they are ignoring them b/c they cannot read them.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> here's to us hoping the assassin class gets a little TLC... </span><div></div>

[Forsaken Falc]

<P>Seriously I do like like beeing rude to this extent however I'v keep my mouth shut for along long time about the fauls in our class.</P> <P>However there lack of responsabilty in many othere area's of the game that not only myself oppose but many othere's has gotten me to the point of where i just don't see any point to log on to play the game rather then just chat to my mate's.</P> <P>My only question to the Dev's = Which one of You Guy's is the Visionary?</P> <P> </P> <P>Assassins simply have no soul in this game what so ever. othere MMORPG's with this class is a whole different ball game</P> <P> </P> <P>exsample Ragnarok Online with the guild vs guild over Casstle's in all the major capital distritcs.</P> <P>Imagen beeing the top Assassin for one of the two best guild's on the server and the time for conquering casstle's has approched.</P> <P>Now Imagen sliping into the shadow's advoideing there hired guardiens at ever corner hopeing some enermy guildy sniper isn't casting he's falcon off to detect invis.</P> <P>Finally You reach the guild main hall where there are chairs and a big meeting table & it just so happens the enermy guilds haveing an guild meeting.</P> <P>Then you send tells to the rest of the guild telling them of the current situation and finnaly you get the order to ATTACK!</P> <P>Now Imagen beeing the enermy guild sitting at the table watching your leader talk then all of a sudden out of now where a high lvl deciently equiped Assassin ASSASSINATES you'r leader right in front of you'r eye's!</P> <P>Now Imagen back to being that Assassin Targer Destroyed now get the hell out of here! the rest of the enermy guild has now gotten up off the table and heading stright towards You so You use You'r backslideing (basicly jumping backwards twice asfast as u go fowards) to go to the casstle main gate where You'r Guild just happen's to be waiting in the garden <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> !!!!</P> <P>Now both guilds are faced to faced and have a full on all out war while the Assassins and Rouge's Sneak past the Frontline and Go Directly to the Source of what is gonna make there guild take over the enermys guild.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Sure i dwell in the past too much but hey that use to get my blood pumping and Assassins were respected just as every othere class because we all had our unquie roll's</P>