You may feel a little pin-[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]...

[NormalMormon]

<DIV>Can someone quickly clear this up?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Been informed to stack 5 poisons - Then also read that this is just a waste as they wont all work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm currently using two which seem to both kick in fine, but obv would rather have 5 going at one time!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mordacion]

Ok here's the basic way it works. At any one time only one damage poison and one debuffer type poison can be actively procing on any given target. However, if you have multiple of either kind you have a higher statistical chance for one of them to proc on each succesful attack. The major downside to that being you eat through poisons at an insanely fast rate in situations where you die a few times per play session IE raids, groups with aggro problems, chancey solo operations <div></div>

[NormalMormon]

<DIV>thanks man, noted <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"chancy solo operations" - lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Outerspace]

Is that actually true? So if you use two damage poisons stacked you have a 50% proc rate? I was under the impression if you stacked two, one remained inactive until the other expired. <div></div>

[HuxleyS]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Outerspace wrote:<BR>Is that actually true? So if you use two damage poisons stacked you have a 50% proc rate?<BR><BR>I was under the impression if you stacked two, one remained inactive until the other expired.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>One poison remaining inactive is also what I have observed.</DIV>

[scivias]

<span><blockquote><hr>HuxleySWG wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Outerspace wrote:Is that actually true? So if you use two damage poisons stacked you have a 50% proc rate?I was under the impression if you stacked two, one remained inactive until the other expired. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>One poison remaining inactive is also what I have observed.</div><hr></blockquote> No, not 2x25% .. proc rating is far more difficult, and what he meant is that either poison may proc.</span><div></div>

[Kokus]

<DIV>As a player who applies all 5 store bought types, I can confirm that the last one applied is not neccessarily the first to drop.  They all have their own chances to proc, and my parsed damage upped significantly after switching from 1 to all 5.</DIV>

[MaNiaGG]

<DIV>Wath does "significaly" mean in percent? Is it paying out?</DIV>

[Outerspace]

Interesting, I'll stack a few and give it a try. <div></div>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kokusho wrote:<div>As a player who applies all 5 store bought types, I can confirm that the last one applied is not neccessarily the first to drop.  They all have their own chances to proc, and my parsed damage upped significantly after switching from 1 to all 5.</div><hr></blockquote>I hate to break it to you, but stacking poisons does not work.  The first you cast, or the oldest currently applied is the only one that will proc.  Anyone can easily test this themselves by stacking as many posions as they want and then ktiting with a bow and monitoring damage.  Every posion has a unique initial damage and dot to it, and you can tell exactly which poison has proced by the damage you hit for if you know your poison well.  You will see that nothing but the first poison you cast will proc, you will always see the same dot procing on mobs. </span><div></div>

[darkdama]

This is interesting. I came across the fact fact that you could apply multples by accident the other day. I am only lvl 17 and had purchased a new poison and anxiously applied it. It was then I noticed I had 2 poison icons up. Wondering how great this was going to be, I headed out to kill some things. I noticed that the 2 were procing at the same time now this is dual wielding daggers but I was seeing 2 different poin numbers right after each other in my combat log.. Now if I can put 5 on WOOT!!!!!

[Kokus]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Zaranil wrote:</DIV> <DIV>I hate to break it to you, but stacking poisons does not work.  The first you cast, or the oldest currently applied is the only one that will proc.  Anyone can easily test this themselves by stacking as many posions as they want and then ktiting with a bow and monitoring damage.  Every posion has a unique initial damage and dot to it, and you can tell exactly which poison has proced by the damage you hit for if you know your poison well.  You will see that nothing but the first poison you cast will proc, you will always see the same dot procing on mobs.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P>Actually hasn't worked like that at all.  My comparison was one of those days where I would delete my logs, go through nek2 and then use statanalyzer to see what skills, etc. were doing the most damage.  I believe I posted one of these a little while back here.  I was using just erosive goo.  Then, a guildie who was playing an assassin alt mentioned that he noticed that all 5 poisons were working.</P> <P>I tried it out for myself, another nek2 run. My prior parse showed bloothrister and lingering blow as my highest total damaging abilities before, and poison was about #10 on the list.  Another run through, check statanalyzer.  Poison doing 20% more damage total than Bloodthirster did.  A coincidence? I think not.</P> <P>As for the whole debate on which poisons do and do not work, I have a bag of poisons.  I have them assorted in columns of colors, and apply the proper one whenever one drops, and I assure you, that I have to buy all 5 poisons to replace what's used quite often.  I always apply poisons from my bag from the right column to the left column.  I did this as an experiment about this whole poison issue months ago because assassins where saying: "THIS IS HOW IT IS" and I can only trust what I see for myself, not what others say.. Anyway, after using this method for quite some time now, and seeing how I have to apply from a random column of poison each time to replace the one that is down, I'd definitely say that using 1 of each store bought, does make a difference.</P> <P>Whether you choose to use it or not, I could care less, but for those people who whine about being outdamaged by just about every other class out there.. give it a shot.. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.</P>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kokusho wrote:<div> <hr> </div> <div>Zaranil wrote:</div> <div>I hate to break it to you, but stacking poisons does not work.  The first you cast, or the oldest currently applied is the only one that will proc.  Anyone can easily test this themselves by stacking as many posions as they want and then ktiting with a bow and monitoring damage.  Every posion has a unique initial damage and dot to it, and you can tell exactly which poison has proced by the damage you hit for if you know your poison well.  You will see that nothing but the first poison you cast will proc, you will always see the same dot procing on mobs.</div> <div> <hr> </div> <p>Actually hasn't worked like that at all.  My comparison was one of those days where I would delete my logs, go through nek2 and then use statanalyzer to see what skills, etc. were doing the most damage.  I believe I posted one of these a little while back here.  I was using just erosive goo.  Then, a guildie who was playing an assassin alt mentioned that he noticed that all 5 poisons were working.</p> <p>I tried it out for myself, another nek2 run. My prior parse showed bloothrister and lingering blow as my highest total damaging abilities before, and poison was about #10 on the list.  Another run through, check statanalyzer.  Poison doing 20% more damage total than Bloodthirster did.  A coincidence? I think not.</p> <p>As for the whole debate on which poisons do and do not work, I have a bag of poisons.  I have them assorted in columns of colors, and apply the proper one whenever one drops, and I assure you, that I have to buy all 5 poisons to replace what's used quite often.  I always apply poisons from my bag from the right column to the left column.  I did this as an experiment about this whole poison issue months ago because assassins where saying: "THIS IS HOW IT IS" and I can only trust what I see for myself, not what others say.. Anyway, after using this method for quite some time now, and seeing how I have to apply from a random column of poison each time to replace the one that is down, I'd definitely say that using 1 of each store bought, does make a difference.</p> <p>Whether you choose to use it or not, I could care less, but for those people who whine about being outdamaged by just about every other class out there.. give it a shot.. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.</p><hr></blockquote>    None of the test you mentioned proves anything about poison stacking.  First of all, you can't parse one run of nek2 and come up with a number and then parse another instance of nek2 with a diff number and say that something is different.  Of course something is different, there is nearly an infinite amount of varibles that would be invloved in a situation like that.  Using a log parser would make no difference anyway since your log simply records that posion did x amount of damage.  It does not say what type of poison.  The ONLY true way to test something like this is to manually examine a log to measure the amount of damage inflicted by poison.  Since each poison has a signature amount of damage, it would be quite clear if multi poisons were proccing.  If you preform this test you will see 100% of the time that only one poison ever procs.  I'd also add that choosing to preform this test in a group setting is a bad idea because debuff factors will make it even harder to determine which poison is which.  For instance if you attack a mob and hit it with poison you will see it do damage of a consistant amount unlike combat arts.  Now hit the same mob with spitting viper and you will see a noticble difference in the damage, it will be consistantly greater for the duration of spitting viper.     Interestingly enough, when you apply multiple poisons and zone it sometimes seems to switch which poison is the one that is procing.  I'm not sure if other factors effect this, but I have confirmed through testing that sometimes, but not everytime, a different type of the stacked poison will proc.  Even in these cases where it switched on zoning however, the new procing poison was the only one that proced.  This likeky accounts for why you will sometimes have posion drop in a different order than they were cast in.  By all means if stacking vendor poison is your cup of tea Elvannshalee, then go for it.  But I just want to confirm for the many confused scouts I have talked to, you cannot gain multi procs from stacking damage poisons.</span><div></div>

[Kven]

<DIV>Sumanye for teh win!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sum's right btw.  I've tested this myself on many occasions.  It's always the same one proccing at the same rate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only way you can have 2 working together is a debuff poison + damage poison.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>