swash vs assasin

[Dr]

<DIV>im trying to decide on an alt, and i need to know what type of difference there is between swash ans assassin DPS and other utility. thanx <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Putka]

<P>well let's see <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>DPS: I'd say we have bout 25% higher <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Utility: We're FAR behind here. The main things swashes get are group invis and mez. We don't really get anything at all :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>I think you'd have more fun as a swash, being a more versatile class.</P>

[WhispersEdge]

Our 50 swash and I are pretty much neck and neck in dps. I mainly will do more damage than him on things weak to piercing attacks and he will win out on slashing mobs like archlich etc. He is incredibly  [Removed for Content] out on gear also (like 75% fabled gear), with the 1h spear from Vox  that procs ice blast (I was surprised how much dmg that spear puts out) and that rogue proc shield. Generally, we end up around the same on dps except I do a lot more with autoattack than he does, and he does quite a bit more with his combat arts than I do. The flurry attacks they get are pretty nice, along with their mega debuff. And yea they get a lot of utility including an arsenal of interrupts and stun attacks (which is amazing for casting mobs and deadly in pvp if thats your thing). Right now I would say swashies edge us out since they get better utility on top of equal dps wtih assassins. I expect that to change in the upcoming expansion however <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Putka]

<P>yeah we have a rabid swash in our guild too :smileyvery-happy: She's trying really hard to do as much damage as possible, focusing exclusively on STR and using legendary poisons <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I still come out on top though, on avg. about 10% more damage.</P> <P>I forgot to mention a very important thing too, they have crazy deaggro abilities (one of them drops them on hate list for 2 positions). We only have poor Surveil [Removed for Content], that won't save you <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Seriously, she takes aggro far more often than me, but she also loses it just as fast and almost never dies.</P>

[AScarlato]

<DIV>I play a Swash and I'd say an assassin's DPS is NOT 25% more than ours.   In normal group settings I often outdamage Assassins I'm with, even those of a higher level.  ((Of course I'm very good with gear and keeping all my skills at at least Adept 1, and I dont know what these other assassins have been doing)).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Group sneak and Mez are great, I managed to tank Agony by keeping her mezzed until our group of 3 finished her friends.  I love my Swash but am remaking my Assassin alt because he was just plain FUN!</DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>Really, it's just hard to say regarding DPS.. it sooo depends on the player behind the char. You say you always outdamage assassins, even higher level ones. I've never been outdamaged by any other scout type, especially swash. So who's right here? Maybe we're just both good players always comparing against crappy players then.</DIV>

[Skratttt]

Honestly i havent found at my level a swash that can out dps me if we have similar or he has slightly better gear....... I think assasin dps depends a LOT on how u use your defense/poison debuff ability, and arrows Honestly i would say my dps is limited to the tanks taunting ability <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> we need something better to drop aggro, wished there were a poison that did this, since i tend to get locked aggro most of the time if the tank is not an uber zerker or a guardian (paladins omg they have to go oom and still mob on me) <div></div>

[Mordacion]

If you want to have a versatile clas, go with swash. If you want to be a dual-wielding murder machine featuring evac and pathfinding then go assassin. <div></div>

[Armill]

I used to play a swash before an assassin, never got to high with him, like 24, but I do remember one thing. That quick flurry is like the coolest ability out there. Why because I like thinking that I can stab a guy like 3 times before he gets one shot off, thats what made that ability cool. As a poor assassin though I only have a condemning blade, which rips a giant hole in there chest cavity...yeah thats pretty cool too. God, I want both of those abilites and ill be happy. Guess ill have to wait for my vision of a ninja class to come true(sigh when I get my ninja, it sure will be fun killing Darathar solo because ninjas are totally the coolest things EVER):smileyvery-happy:

[WhispersEdge]

There is one major thing about swashies that makes me jealous. Apparently, from what our swashie says, their combat art damage type is solely dependent on what they are using in their primary weapon slot at the time. So, all their attacks become slashing with prismatic in main, or piercing with say a spear (like his) in their main hand. It really stinks that our big hitters and a lot of our attacks are strictly piercing, it makes our dps plummet on things like Fist of Solusek, Vaz'Gok, Archlich Udalan etc. A ton of our main attacks (Condemning Blade, Bloodthirster, Assassinate, Spitting Viper, and Infected Wound for instance) just become totally useless in those fights unless you just waste them on the adds. I am really hoping with the spell overhaul that these get changed to dynamic melee damage, like how Mask of Night and Punch Blade currently work. Oh, and one last thing that gives them a <i><b>huge edge</b></i>, omg. They get an ability called Captain Rohan's Kidney Kick or something like that. My dreams of being a pirate assassin would be complete with an attack such as this /cry. I can dream I guess <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Earl_Of_Bronze]

<div></div>Hiya guys, My main is a 50 Swashy in a raid guild so I have some good gear... Legendary or better and A3+ for all CA's > 40th level .. So with this in mind, two comments here: 1) I tend to group with a 50 Assassin who also has good gear and he does great dmg. He consistently does about 10% more dmg then I do. He usually takes the highest dps in the raid group, as I would expect. (Surprisingly a SK guidlie does more dmg then I do - hopefully this will change with the upcoming combat changes) 2) The primary weapon, afaik, does not dictate the type of dmg (ie. Slash or Pierce) a Swashy does. The reason Swashies do great dmg with a Slasher is Cat's Paw. It decreases Slash mitigation on the mob by an insane amount (~1900). This, and Brazen Thrust, are class defining skills. HTH, -Aero Dracos Argent HighKeep <div></div><p>Message Edited by Earl_Of_Bronze on <span class=date_text>06-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:00 AM</span>

[AScarlato]

Cat's paw decreases agility, and is a level 37ish skill.  I think you are thinking of something else (I'm only 44 so I dont have it yet)

[WhispersEdge]

<span><blockquote><hr>2) The primary weapon, afaik, does not dictate the type of dmg (ie. Slash or Pierce) a Swashy does. The reason Swashies do great dmg with a Slasher is Cat's Paw. It decreases Slash mitigation on the mob by an insane amount (~1900). This, and Brazen Thrust, are class defining skills. HTH, -Aero Dracos Argent HighKeep <div></div><p>Message Edited by Earl_Of_Bronze on <span class="date_text">06-20-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:00 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The primary weapon <i>does</i> dictate the type of damage, I have no clue what you are talking about. It seems like you are saying swashes do good damage with slashing because of their slash debuff, which has nothing to do with what I said. I understand their debuff is good but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about The point was, assassin attacks that read <i><b>in their spell description</b></i>  "this does x amount of piercing damage" are unusable in certain encounters. So if I am equipped with a prismatic (for instance) it will still do piercing damage, so I am basically s.o.l. at that point. Capiche? Any attack that says it does xxxx melee damage (non-type specific) looks to your main hand weapon for the determinant damage type to use, making swashies much more versatile in that respect. So you still get your full range of CA's on epic encounters simply by switching your weapon, we lose like half our attacks against piercing resistant mobs.</span><div></div>

[KapHn8d]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WhispersEdge wrote:<BR>I am really hoping with the spell overhaul that these get changed to dynamic melee damage, like how Mask of Night and Punch Blade currently work. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You aren't the only one hoping bro.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Drua]

<DIV>How many of the swash's attacks need to be initiated from behind and/or in sneak?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ie how do they compare to us for solo play.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers</DIV>

[DorrianBloodsto]

Essentially... 1 stealth- Brazen Thrust with its massive ~1700 slash debuff and interupt.  1 Rear- Cat's paw with an agi debuff and piercing buff.  1 Flank- Either Captain Rohands Kidney Kick for Crushing damage, interupt and Dot or Disheartening Guile for interupt and debuff to all physical and agi.  The Disable line is flank but for the most part is unused since it is high power to damage ratio and the snare is mostly useless.  All other attacks are non positional.

[spankosaurus]

I'll say that a well palyed swash with very good gear can outdamage an assassin all the time. in my guild a 50 swash with a good bit of fabled gear constantly outdamages me. neither one of us is slacking, we both avg around 300 dps on certain fights, i.e. drayek, but he always seems to edge me out somehow.