AD3 Upgrades

[Despa]

<b> Which spells 1-50 are worthwhile upgrading to AD3? Please list your choices /recommendations. </b>My main is a Fury and I have some spells I have in adept 3 from the teens that I still use...not sure if there are anyt like that in this class but I am curious because my alt is an assassin. Thanks much.

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Despair wrote:<BR><B>Which spells 1-50 are worthwhile upgrading to AD3? Please list your choices /recommendations. </B><BR><BR>My main is a Fury and I have some spells I have in adept 3 from the teens that I still use...not sure if there are anyt like that in this class but I am curious because my alt is an assassin. Thanks much.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why bother playing an assassin? Assassins are probably the worst class to play now in comparison to others.

[Brianf]

<DIV>Wow, that is a mighty big chip on your shoulder...is it heavy? Does it get in the way of your normal life or is it somehting you pull out when on the forum's?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Worst Class????</DIV> <DIV>Really???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, hopefully you have found a class more to your liking and will play that one because this is a fun class for me...I haven;t had a dull night yet and love dishing out damage and actually having to use some strategy in how I play rather than mashing buttons at random as the appear on my box.</DIV>

[Vuron]

<P>I don't have anything in front of me, so can't give an entire list...</P> <P>The one you will get earliest and use until 50 is Assassin's Mark.  Now that it's finally fixed, it pretty much rocks.  Just cast it and wait on the agro when it procs..</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Vuron00 on <span class=date_text>06-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:09 AM</span>

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brianf67 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wow, that is a mighty big chip on your shoulder...is it heavy? Does it get in the way of your normal life or is it somehting you pull out when on the forum's?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Worst Class????</DIV> <DIV>Really???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, hopefully you have found a class more to your liking and will play that one because this is a fun class for me...I haven;t had a dull night yet and love dishing out damage and actually having to use some strategy in how I play rather than mashing buttons at random as the appear on my box.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No chip kid. Once you see the high end, you will see the light.

[Jakr]

<div></div>heh worst class?  ummm only person to outdamage me on a straight spam fest was a bruiser..... and not by much i usualy net double or tripple the total damage in a raid then the mages . they have it worse.  on auto attack alone you can do 100-150 dps...... thats 0 power cost. you can easily have 2100+ mitigation as a scout .  you can tank blue raid mobs. evac, ho's.   how is that the worst class exactly lol <div></div><p>Message Edited by Jakron on <span class=date_text>06-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 PM</span>

[Ahlspiess]

<P>Assassin's Blade (Adept 3) - Great damage for the time it takes to cast.</P> <P>Blade Flurry (Adept 1) - Our ONLY concentration spell or I wouldn't even mention it. When I upgraded to Adept 3 it did maybe 2  more min and 2 more max damage. So i wouldn't bother unless u have extra $$. I</P> <P>Condemning Blade (Adept 3) - Great Damaging skill on a 5 min timer. Ella's Piercing Blade is on a 3min 45s timer but does less damage. Short infrequent fights I'd go with  Condemning blade.</P> <P>Mask of Night - ( adept 3) Backstab that makes us go stealth. A MUST have You'll be using it every chance you get so you might as well increase the DPS</P> <P>Punch Blade (Adept 3) - Lowers poison Resistance. Good damage perfect to use with Mask Of Night.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Depends how much  money you have really. If you have enough I'd put Adept 3's on all my damaging abilities just for the DPS.</FONT> </P> <P>Surveil doesnt change much from adept 1 to Adept 3. </P> <P>Your Bow skills are always good to Adept 3! Spitting Viper, Faltering Blast and Assassin's Shot. They do Great damage in groups an dwhen u solo you will have to rely on it A LOT. </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>06-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 PM</span>

[Ahlspiess]

<DIV>Double Post</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <SPAN class=date_text>06-09-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>10:55 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>06-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:55 PM</span>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Thanatos06 wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Despair wrote:<b>Which spells 1-50 are worthwhile upgrading to AD3? Please list your choices /recommendations. </b>My main is a Fury and I have some spells I have in adept 3 from the teens that I still use...not sure if there are anyt like that in this class but I am curious because my alt is an assassin. Thanks much. <hr> </blockquote>Why bother playing an assassin? Assassins are probably the worst class to play now in comparison to others. <div></div><hr></blockquote> <img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/super_momo/Thanatos06.jpg"> You are a momo </span><div></div>

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZaranilShadowfiend wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thanatos06 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Despair wrote:<BR><B>Which spells 1-50 are worthwhile upgrading to AD3? Please list your choices /recommendations. </B><BR><BR>My main is a Fury and I have some spells I have in adept 3 from the teens that I still use...not sure if there are anyt like that in this class but I am curious because my alt is an assassin. Thanks much.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why bother playing an assassin? Assassins are probably the worst class to play now in comparison to others. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><IMG src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/super_momo/Thanatos06.jpg"><BR><BR>You are a momo<BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>ROFL. That has to be the lamest thing I ever seen. </P> <P>Why don't you go to another thread and see what everyone is [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing about instead posting old lame pics. Seeing the bigger picture might actually help your education in the scout class. </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=52066" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=52066</A><BR></P>

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jakron wrote:<BR> heh worst class?  ummm only person to outdamage me on a straight spam fest was a bruiser..... and not by much<BR>i usualy net double or tripple the total damage in a raid then the mages . they have it worse.  <BR>on auto attack alone you can do 100-150 dps...... thats 0 power cost. <BR>you can easily have 2100+ mitigation as a scout . <STRONG><U> you can tank blue raid mobs.</U></STRONG> evac, ho's.<BR>  how is that the worst class exactly lol <BR> <P>Message Edited by Jakron on <SPAN class=date_text>06-09-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:27 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Tank raid mobs? Please spare me the BS. I'm guessing you are the new MT for your guild eh? Lemme ask SoE for a nerf since we can "dps, evac, Ho's, and now tank raid mobs". Why should I even bother complain about our class? Guess everyone here thinks we are just fine. Thanks for the new info Jak.

[Despa]

<blockquote><hr>Ahlspiess wrote: <P>Assassin's Blade (Adept 3) - Great damage for the time it takes to cast.</P> <P>Blade Flurry (Adept 1) - Our ONLY concentration spell or I wouldn't even mention it. When I upgraded to Adept 3 it did maybe 2  more min and 2 more max damage. So i wouldn't bother unless u have extra $$. I</P> <P>Condemning Blade (Adept 3) - Great Damaging skill on a 5 min timer. Ella's Piercing Blade is on a 3min 45s timer but does less damage. Short infrequent fights I'd go with  Condemning blade.</P> <P>Mask of Night - ( adept 3) Backstab that makes us go stealth. A MUST have You'll be using it every chance you get so you might as well increase the DPS</P> <P>Punch Blade (Adept 3) - Lowers poison Resistance. Good damage perfect to use with Mask Of Night.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Depends how much  money you have really. If you have enough I'd put Adept 3's on all my damaging abilities just for the DPS.</FONT> </P> <P>Surveil doesnt change much from adept 1 to Adept 3. </P> <P>Your Bow skills are always good to Adept 3! Spitting Viper, Faltering Blast and Assassin's Shot. They do Great damage in groups an dwhen u solo you will have to rely on it A LOT. </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>06-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Thanks to those so far that have actually had something constructive to post.

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Despair wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Thanks to those so far that have actually had something constructive to post.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Sorry man. I am just upset about the Assassin class and how some people think we are just ok. We are not ok by no means. There is a huge debate on another board (check link above me) and it appears many people are upset with the lack of support the scout has. </DIV>

[Kven]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZaranilShadowfiend wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thanatos06 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Despair wrote:<BR><B>Which spells 1-50 are worthwhile upgrading to AD3? Please list your choices /recommendations. </B><BR><BR>My main is a Fury and I have some spells I have in adept 3 from the teens that I still use...not sure if there are anyt like that in this class but I am curious because my alt is an assassin. Thanks much.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why bother playing an assassin? Assassins are probably the worst class to play now in comparison to others. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><IMG src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a34/super_momo/Thanatos06.jpg"><BR><BR>You are a momo<BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>OMG Sum... hahaha</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am lucky my office isn't finished being built yet and have to do my coding from the server room or someone would surely ask me why I just burst out laughing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.. had to wipe my eyes after that one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hah.</DIV>

[Jakr]

<div></div><div></div>just cause thanatos you are a horrible player doesnt mean we all are. yes you can tank blue x2's and x3's    with only 1 group .  ive done this on multiple occasions  so spare me your ignorance and quit already and reroll if this is such a "horrible class" im getting realy sick of people crying all day that we are broken. our class is far from useless compared to how bad mages have it. yes stuff is broken, but its like that in everyclass.  welcome  to the game. why dont you reroll as a conjuror. then im sure youll see we dont have it as bad as you think. <div></div><p> <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Jakron on <span class=date_text>06-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:52 AM</span>

[Despa]

<blockquote><hr>Vuron00 wrote:<P>Despair....</P> <P>We need to know what level you are to answer your question.  </P> <P> </P> <hr></blockquote>Im only lvl 20 at the moment...(trying to catch my crafting level up to my adventure level)... but I should lvl about 2-3 times per week. Thanks.

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jordaann wrote:<BR>Thanatos, I can feel for ya if you having a hard time with the short comings of scout classes, I do admit there are a few.  I don't feel the situation is as hopeless as you portray it.  However the point of my post is if you are going to complain please try to make them contructive complaints.  The OP was not looking for a judgement or opinion of the class in general just some good advice from our many knowledgable assassins.  I for one find it harder and harder to come back to these boards it seems I find very few non pessemistic posts<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I never said it was hopeless. I just made a remark stating the Assassin is the worst class to play now. And I still think that. Several people like Jakron, Sumanyne, and Kvenau decided to slam me because I must suck as an Assassin. I really don't care what they think since they are the ones bringing the class down by attacking me. They do not see the bigger picture, but that is another tale.</P> <P>I agree that it is harder and harder to come back to these boards. No one really helps the class. All they do (Sumanyne,Jakron, to name a few) is basically tell people how they suck as an assassin and never give any real advice. If you don't believe me, then check the recent posts of Sumanyne. Pretty much useless [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] if ya ask me. </P>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Thanatos06 wrote: <blockquote> <hr> jordaann wrote:Thanatos, I can feel for ya if you having a hard time with the short comings of scout classes, I do admit there are a few.  I don't feel the situation is as hopeless as you portray it.  However the point of my post is if you are going to complain please try to make them contructive complaints.  The OP was not looking for a judgement or opinion of the class in general just some good advice from our many knowledgable assassins.  I for one find it harder and harder to come back to these boards it seems I find very few non pessemistic posts <hr> </blockquote> <p>I never said it was hopeless. I just made a remark stating the Assassin is the worst class to play now. And I still think that. Several people like Jakron, Sumanyne, and Kvenau decided to slam me because I must suck as an Assassin. I really don't care what they think since they are the ones bringing the class down by attacking me. They do not see the bigger picture, but that is another tale.</p> <p>I agree that it is harder and harder to come back to these boards. No one really helps the class. All they do (Sumanyne,Jakron, to name a few) is basically tell people how they suck as an assassin and never give any real advice. If you don't believe me, then check the recent posts of Sumanyne. Pretty much useless [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] if ya ask me. </p> <hr></blockquote>  I find that really funny since I often recieve private messeges from other assassins on these boards asking for advice on particular subjects, which I always give.  Also I think I have posted quite a bit of info here for those with questions, which is likely why I recieve the mail that I do.  You want advice, then ask for it and anyone on these boards will gladly give it because we are a community. When you come here and whine about how bad our class is weither it be agressively (like you) or passively (Khalysta), it doesn't make anyone happy.  No matter how right you might be (and you really aren't), nobody likes negativity.  I'm sure you could voice your concerns in a more positive or constructive manner, but you haven't and nor has most others who have said the same things you have 10 million times.   Yup, scouts could use some love in this game, and predators most of all... everyone already knows this.  But the fact is, we aren't that bad at all.  There are much more messed up classes than ours and despite whatever short comings assassins may have, in skilled hands they can come out on top.    Feel free to complain all you want, but don't think it's a mystery when it isn't recieved well.  You might notice the lack of posts saying "omg thanatos, you are right!  I quite my assassin and refuse to play after reading your thread."  Someone posts that they have a question about their class and you tell them that their class sucks.  I mean, what are you trying to achieve anyway?  Obviosuly you want to see changes made, but I don't see how stuff like that is going to make things better.  Devs know the concerns of the scouts and since we aren't devs, making those changes is out of our hands.  The only thing left to do is make due with what we have right now.  You can be part of the problem or you can be part of the solution.   I plan to keep playing my assassin and dishing out dps, so if you're trying to dissuade me about assassins, save your energy... seems you are a lot more upset about the whole ordeal than I am. </span><div></div>

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZaranilShadowfiend wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thanatos06 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jordaann wrote:<BR>Thanatos, I can feel for ya if you having a hard time with the short comings of scout classes, I do admit there are a few.  I don't feel the situation is as hopeless as you portray it.  However the point of my post is if you are going to complain please try to make them contructive complaints.  The OP was not looking for a judgement or opinion of the class in general just some good advice from our many knowledgable assassins.  I for one find it harder and harder to come back to these boards it seems I find very few non pessemistic posts<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I never said it was hopeless. I just made a remark stating the Assassin is the worst class to play now. And I still think that. Several people like Jakron, Sumanyne, and Kvenau decided to slam me because I must suck as an Assassin. I really don't care what they think since they are the ones bringing the class down by attacking me. They do not see the bigger picture, but that is another tale.</P> <P>I agree that it is harder and harder to come back to these boards. No one really helps the class. All they do (Sumanyne,Jakron, to name a few) is basically tell people how they suck as an assassin and never give any real advice. If you don't believe me, then check the recent posts of Sumanyne. Pretty much useless [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] if ya ask me.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I find that really funny since I often recieve private messeges from other assassins on these boards asking for advice on particular subjects, which I always give.  Also I think I have posted quite a bit of info here for those with questions, which is likely why I recieve the mail that I do.  You want advice, then ask for it and anyone on these boards will gladly give it because we are a community. When you come here and whine about how bad our class is weither it be agressively (like you) or passively (Khalysta), it doesn't make anyone happy.  No matter how right you might be (and you really aren't), nobody likes negativity.  I'm sure you could voice your concerns in a more positive or constructive manner, but you haven't and nor has most others who have said the same things you have 10 million times.<BR> Yup, scouts could use some love in this game, and predators most of all... everyone already knows this.  But the fact is, we aren't that bad at all.  There are much more messed up classes than ours and despite whatever short comings assassins may have, in skilled hands they can come out on top. <BR><BR> Feel free to complain all you want, but don't think it's a mystery when it isn't recieved well.  You might notice the lack of posts saying "omg thanatos, you are right!  I quite my assassin and refuse to play after reading your thread."  Someone posts that they have a question about their class and you tell them that their class sucks.  I mean, what are you trying to achieve anyway?  Obviosuly you want to see changes made, but I don't see how stuff like that is going to make things better.  Devs know the concerns of the scouts and since we aren't devs, making those changes is out of our hands.  The only thing left to do is make due with what we have right now.  You can be part of the problem or you can be part of the solution.<BR> I plan to keep playing my assassin and dishing out dps, so if you're trying to dissuade me about assassins, save your energy... seems you are a lot more upset about the whole ordeal than I am.<BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff>Justifying your actions now? I've seen many of your posts. And I haven't seen many "positive" responses from you or the others. </FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></FONT></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>I make a comment in how this class bites. And you and some others just basically bash me for no reason. You don't bother asking why I made that statement. You simply jump on the bash ship and post stupid [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] photos and comments. So original. So pathetic. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>If I could be more pro-active, I would. Instead, I simply read tons of posts and see what people think and express. You should check your posts again. Do you actually make worthwhile posts that help the game or in this case the class? That answer is simply no. Do you actually insult/bash other people on the boards? That answer is yes. From my vantage point, you just simply post random mind-numbing garbage. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>I made a statement. To some, it was somewhat shocking. To others, it was crap. And to a very few, it was a cry for change. Khalysta’s posts are one of the few that I enjoy to read. You say she is a more passive than my aggressive and you are probably right. However, I think we want the same thing. We want change. Maybe you will do the same. Then maybe not.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff>Please continue playing the Assassin class. I would not have deterred you or anyone from it. I just hope it is not too late for us.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jakr]

<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Thanatos06]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jakron wrote:<BR><SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Just proves my point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/golf clap</DIV>

[Jakr]

<div></div><div></div>hey than, elvis is still alive hiding at your house  right? playin cards with lincoln and some ufo's  talking about how the moon landing was made in a studio. realy man your tryin to argue to people  that realy dont care about your opinion. lol   maybe if you stoped crying on the forums every second you can get to lvl 21 on your assassin. why dont you post your actual  char name insted of argueing in anominity,  then post a link to your eq2 players char to prove your an assassin lvl 50, ina  guild that raids. with a decent char/equipment  that compares to anything that makes you think you have a foothold on whats right or wrong.  so far your a ghost thats fighting for somthing  your not even proving to us that you realy are. your  not  convincing us that you know anything about what your talking about. k thx /cookie <div></div><p> <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Jakron on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:23 AM</span>

[dparker7]

<P>Back on topic a little.  I noticed merciless villany has no upgrade from Ad1 to Ad3, does anyone have a screenie of Murderous Intent at Ad3?  Ive noticed nearly all our buffs dont get upgraded, but Im curious none the less.</P> <P>Also, I'm curious about paralyzing strike and cripple. </P>

[Despa]

To those of you that hijacked this thread . . .Don't be so negative...that what scares people away from the game. Just try to remember that you are not alone in your class...everyone has the same issues that you have in some way or another. Constantly complaining about it isn't helping anyone's situation...Especially people like me who are just looking for a little help. If you want to flame start a new thread for it.

[Jakr]

merciless villainy wont increase in proc or haste but it will increase your agi   from adept to master.   master 1 is 43 agil.... cant remember  adept 3.  our dps buff/parry buffs  do not increase from ap 4-master. muderous intent  does scale the agil it has but it will not stack ontop of mercilles villainy. <div></div>

[Jakr]

umm idk if cripple  scales or not.... maybe in damage but i think the def debuff will remain 12 from adept1.   paralazing strike is not worth upgrading  ,  does not affect epic encounters and doesnt improve the root just the damage it does. <div></div>

[Al]

I dont know about you guys but I like to play my assassin, especially in raids. I constantly out dps everyone on single mobs or mobs with a low amount of adds that can be AOE'd, including wizards, warlocks, bruisers/monks. Raids I out dps everyone on include king zalak, meeting of minds, PF king dryak, tremblar (not the mobs before him as warlock and zerker aoe owns me), arch lich, and those are the ones that come to mind. I have been parsed as high as 325dps on raid encounter. <div></div>

[Putka]

<DIV>I want your tank Alza. I can't push 240+ and not hit the dirt. With every CA I do it's: "hmmm to press or not to press the button". Scary =/</DIV>

[Thanatos06]

<P>I stand corrected. </P> <p>Message Edited by Thanatos06 on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:46 PM</span>

[Al]

<DIV>I use to not be able to either without peeling him, but our MT has bad [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] procing gear and master 1 taunts now so its not really TOO much of a problem as long as I use surveil and limit my self just a little bit. I use to peel king zalak every single time. </DIV>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

I just thought I would point out you replied to Jakron, but quoted Zolder. <div></div>

[Al]

<DIV>Here are some screenshots of raids tonight, I was top dps in all of them except "meeting of the minds" where a million adds proc the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] out of your MT's shoulders adding about 80dps to him, not to mention he has a potionthat procs dmg whenever he is hit.. Anyways here are links to screen shots of my DPS of all the raids I did tonight. King Zalak I peeled and Hand of Caldera I peeled because we were trying out a new tank and wasnt used to him so I sat there dead entire time :p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps13pv.jpg" target=_blank>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps13pv.jpg</A> - Misty (mob right before King Drayek)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps26jv.jpg" target=_blank>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps26jv.jpg</A> - King Drayek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps30mb.jpg" target=_blank>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps30mb.jpg</A> - Meeting of Minds - MT out dpsed me due to dmg proc potion and proc from his shoulders from million adds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps43hu.jpg" target=_blank>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps43hu.jpg</A> - Shakuto (mob before Arch Lich)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img223.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps73jt.jpg" target=_blank>http://img223.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps73jt.jpg</A> - Arch Lich Udalan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps68gn.jpg" target=_blank>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps68gn.jpg</A> - King Zalak - I peeled and died, was dead for around 30 seconds....</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Alza on <SPAN class=date_text>06-16-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:50 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 PM</span>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

hehe, what happened to makuto? :0 <div></div>

[Al]

<DIV>He was in that encounter, it just names the encounter by the 1st thing that attacks or is attacked. </DIV>

[dparker7]

<DIV>I know either shakuto or Makuto are pierce immune and I think arch lich is too.  How exactly are you topping DPS when you cant use Bloodthrister, CB, and Spitting Viper, amoung others?</DIV>

[Jakr]

ya loop mask of night and punch blade over and over and over <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Putka]

Yeah and Lingering Blow and Faltering Blast / Assassin's Shot with hunting arrows <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Really people overreact with pierce immune mobs, we have plenty of attacks to chain that have "melee" damage type. I was also using my master1 Shadow Assault on Darathar :smileyvery-happy:

[Klip]

<DIV>Master1 cripple is: 97power, 202-337 damage, -12 defense at level 46. Not sure if it was worth the 2plat to buy it... but still I'm trying to muster as much upgrades as I can as I get the money. Not being in a raid guild makes me get anything worthwhile through hard earned cash</DIV>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<div></div>CB bloodthirster and spitting viper aren't that much dps really due to long recast.  Spitting viper is a nice attack and I use my master1 every chance I get, but it doesn't make or break my dps either. Here is what I do on a pierce immune. Lets take arch lich for example.  Make sure you have slashing arrows on and a nice crated poison, rare if you like(and i do!).  Open the fight with a surveil and evade to keep you low on the aggro and let go a faltering blast and an assassin shot.  Faltering blast first because it has a shorter recycle and this is your cash cow for some nice dps and you want to use it again asap.   Slap Anathema on and then go to town.  I like to hit lingering blow, follow it with infected wound for some debuff then land into a mask of night/punch blade combo.  Faltering blast is likely ready to say hello again at this point.  You really have to prioritize your attacks, and if you can keep faltering blast, mask of night , and punch blade on a constant recycle as well as the others ( but never at the cost of missing one of these 3) you should see some dps in the 250 range.  When your running low on power and need to charge up a bit, then hit your honed reflexes and murderous focus and just melee only pausing to let fly your faltering blast.  These buffs work best when your not doing combat arts, and so this is a perfect time to regain some power and drop a bit of hate while not letting your dps fall. <div></div><p>Message Edited by ZaranilShadowfiend on <span class=date_text>06-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:29 AM</span>

[Putka]

<P>Well tbh, when a tank isn't very good at holding aggro, I go into "damage per power" mode instead of DPS <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I won't spam mask / punch that much but focus more on doing high damage and low power attacks (viper, faltering, assassin's shot, bloodthirster, CB, assassinate, autoattack with DPS & haste buffs..). Otherwise before the raid mob is even at 50% I'll be either 1- oop or 2- dead. Even bloodthirster that I don't consider such a huge stab is equal to what, 3x mask of night? Now compare their power cost <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And I'm fairly sure those 3 masks get you more hate than 1 BT as well! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Al]

Pierce immune mobs make no real difference to me, just allows me to use the haste from my grp more which kind of levels it all out. I use prismatic and a slash fabled so my melee dps is pretty good. Like was said above, I use exposed attack master 1 (does more dmg than adept 3 mask of night), and punch blade master 1 continuously over and over as they refresh along with lingering blow.  Debuff with cripple and anathemia, and you're set. <div></div>