Any New Changes? (4 month absence)

[Kimira]

<DIV>Been gone for awhile, when I left assassin was pretty worthless, still that way?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My friend said his guild turns down their assassins if they're full on raids, doesn't sound good =/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did we ever get our buff like we deserved?!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lvl 50 assassin/unrest</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kimirahi on <span class=date_text>05-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:34 PM</span>

[khalysta]

Essentially the same basic class just awaiting the hopefully big combat changes that are coming up.  The only noteworthy changes are agility has less effect currently than it used to and assassin's mark actually works well.

[Putka]

<P>Worthless? Vladdax and I are both the highest damage dealers in our guild.. well, don't tell him that but I'm better! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (that time on Mjolni doesnt count when you used a clarity potion you sneaky rat <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) errr yeah, back to topic <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Turned down? Well not before swashies, brigands, rangers.. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If you have these problems then you need to join a guild with fewer members / scouts. Or something <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I'm still loving every minute of my assassin.</P>

[Ahlspiess]

<P>Pretty much the same. Wizards/warlocks still outdamage us and monks & bruisers will situationally. The raids suck with the slashing/piercing immune things. So I don't blame raid parties turning us down for better classes. </P> <P> </P> <P>No regrets with my assassin though! .... At least not until I start playing a fighter. Then we will see how it fairs.</P>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

Well your friend's guild either has decided eq2 is too easy and seek to create a challenge, or their assassin's are a bunch of momo's.  I don't get outdamaged by wizzies to begin with.  Don't get beat by rangers and very rarely get beat by a brigand.  I will get beat by monks if the mob is pierce immune and I don't have slashing arrows, othwise beat monks.  Warlock usually wins, but if it is a fight with a single target that is not pierce immune (trembler for instance) I beat the warlocks too. I see posts of assassins saying how all fighters and casters out dps them and how it's not fair....  I just shake my head and wonder what it is they do durning a raid fight, hit auto attack and go make toast?  Do they use pierce weapons on mobs that are pierce immune in the hope that the mob will see the error of his ways and give into the joy of being stabbed?  Use level 10 poison because it is cheaper?  Fight with rocks? I must be taking crazy pills  0_o <div></div>

[Putka]

Doesn't make sense to me either, Sumanye <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Beat by wizards? Good grief, I don't even consider wizards a DPS class, much less get beat by them :smileyindifferent:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Putka on <span class=date_text>05-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:55 AM</span>

[Craien]

Can I have some of your Crazy Pills?

[Kven]

<P>I am in total agreement w/ Sumanye (pwn those orcs!).</P> <P>I'm only 48 atm, but even at this level I am the highest damage on most raids...  I play my character intelligently I guess?</P> <P>Either that or Sumanye put some of those crazy pills in my drink last time we crossed paths <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Demonskill]

<DIV>Not like my input make any good point cuz im level 35 atm. But with a praser prasing every fight im fighting with a full group, I ALWAYS  out dmg any class (wizzy out dmg me situationally). I do about 80-110 dps constantly (no assassin mark proc on myself, with AM proc on myself i do 130 and usually mob turn on me). Also as my grouping experience, you just can't believe how other people play their scout class... I mean, i prased a level 39 assassin whereas i was level 33, I do more DPS than him on every single fight... Maybe ppl donno how to put together their combat art combo. consider btw this DPS I didn't even use HO. Ranger? 50 dps every fight, had 2 rangers same level 35 last time i grouped with, both doing about the same, whereas im doing almost 2x the dps they are doing. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What i'd think, the difficulty of class play is:<BR>Fighter > Scout > Priest > Mage</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some how I don't like the idea that scout works so much harder than Mage in order to out DPS them, so let's hope for the up coming scout change.</DIV>

[NerroVI]

I am starting to believe most of the posts I read about how worthless we are <assassins> were a complete self pity kick.  I am 48 now and yes I know there are immune mobs to pierce slash and resist mobs to pierce slash, but over all I completely own DPS wise any class that I have grouped with, not every single fight but in the long run I aswell as my group members, and guildies on raids, all can see who is putting out the DPS and the person is moi. I dont know what  some assassins are taking that they think they are so bad they need massively fixed, the only thing I would like to see done, is recast times on Assassinate and Condeming Blade dropped especially Assassinate but even 5 minutes is way to long for a attack.  Maybe 2-2.5 mins on Condeming Blade and 10 mins on Assassinate or less make it 5 minutes.  I would also like to see a Arrow summoning item or ability <not 1 gdamn arrow at a time either and a 1 hour recast <span>:smileymad:</span> > eventually put in. The biggest thing though is this, I DONT CARE, I do not need to be number 1 DPS, I dont even need to be number 6 or 10 don't matter to me, I play to kill stuff hang with friends and just have a fun time, 5 years in EQ high end raiding guild and the funnest time I had was doing Seb runs wasnt Time wasnt EP gods wasnt that pos GoD expansion uber raid targets it was hanging out killing in Discos or Crypt or Kitchen etc in Old Seb and Howling Stones =p  Why people feel they HAVE to do more then another class in order to be effective boggles me sometimes why cant you just have fun always gotta be #1 well reality check you arent always going to do the most damage you arent always going to get that screen shot with you killing Bad_arse_ubermob_001 to put in your sig so just play and have fun and if you can't make a wizard and then you can say "I cant out DPS a assassin!" <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Kokus]

<DIV>I don't think assassins suck, I think the scout archtype needs to be looked at in general. Along with it, the combat system, like how it heavily favors those using 2 handers, a type of weapon we can't use.</DIV>

[Malachi]

After many months of reading posts about how horrible the Assassin class is and how weak our dps is, i can honestly say: If your Assassin is inferior, does low dmg, is getting out damaged by tank classes its your own fault. The class works great and in the hands of the right person will do insane dmg (burst or continual..another bs myth that we cant do sustained dmg). Instead of complaining about the class, just delete your Assassin and make a Guardian like everyone else who wants to play while afk. <div></div>

[Kokus]

<DIV>That's funny because i have a guardian alt, and have beaten blue double ups while afk.</DIV>

[Kimira]

<P>Been raiding a lot the past week.  And I do notice a slight increase in DPS, but not much.  </P> <P>I see wizards got a boost, they outdamage us now, and bruisers/monks still do as well.  What really makes me mad is that brigands/swashies can (since they have that extra utility).  But anyways I'll patiently await the combat changes! *crosses fingers*</P>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kokusho wrote:<div>I don't think assassins suck, I think the scout archtype needs to be looked at in general. Along with it, the combat system, like how it heavily favors those using 2 handers, a type of weapon we can't use.</div><hr></blockquote> That's funny because I came in at #1 dps today 3 out of 4 logs using a duelweild in primary and a sheild in offhand.  I can see the heavy favor....</span><div></div>

[Mishtar99]

<DIV>  I take it that non of you people, who are saying you out DPS everyone in your guild, actually have a beserker with the 2Hander hammer from the lagoon. I think that is where the 2hander comes from. But our 2 beserkers out dmg everyone but the warlocks and they even come close to the warlocks. The one guy i use to parse all the time and except on fights were we have to run in and out and i can do more due to arrows. He always hits in the 300"s while i will get low 200's to high 100's on average. He thinks it is because of te procs, the wepaon seems to proc non stop but he is not sure. I just call BS if you say you can out damage a beserker with that hammer. It is pretty much impossible except for the odd mob. Even the Cl epeic were the mob is not immune to pierce I will get about 240 ad he has 320 dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   So i would say before you go blaming everyone as not knowing how to play there class, maybe you should look at how your other classes are being played or how well they are equiped in your guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mish</DIV>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Mishtar99 wrote:<div>  I take it that non of you people, who are saying you out DPS everyone in your guild, actually have a beserker with the 2Hander hammer from the lagoon. I think that is where the 2hander comes from. But our 2 beserkers out dmg everyone but the warlocks and they even come close to the warlocks. The one guy i use to parse all the time and except on fights were we have to run in and out and i can do more due to arrows. He always hits in the 300"s while i will get low 200's to high 100's on average. He thinks it is because of te procs, the wepaon seems to proc non stop but he is not sure. I just call BS if you say you can out damage a beserker with that hammer. It is pretty much impossible except for the odd mob. Even the Cl epeic were the mob is not immune to pierce I will get about 240 ad he has 320 dps.</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote>   We are talking about the fact that the assassin is a perfectly viable raid class and more than capable of pulling their own weight, and you post that a berserker outdamaged you.  Wow, I'm not even sure what to say.  But others have already made their point and so have I, so I'll leave it at that for those with reading comprehension. <span><blockquote> </blockquote></span></span><div></div>

[Kimira]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZaranilShadowfiend wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mishtar99 wrote:<BR> <DIV>  I take it that non of you people, who are saying you out DPS everyone in your guild, actually have a beserker with the 2Hander hammer from the lagoon. I think that is where the 2hander comes from. But our 2 beserkers out dmg everyone but the warlocks and they even come close to the warlocks. The one guy i use to parse all the time and except on fights were we have to run in and out and i can do more due to arrows. He always hits in the 300"s while i will get low 200's to high 100's on average. He thinks it is because of te procs, the wepaon seems to proc non stop but he is not sure. I just call BS if you say you can out damage a beserker with that hammer. It is pretty much impossible except for the odd mob. Even the Cl epeic were the mob is not immune to pierce I will get about 240 ad he has 320 dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>  We are talking about the fact that the assassin is a perfectly viable raid class and more than capable of pulling their own weight, and you post that a berserker outdamaged you.  Wow, I'm not even sure what to say.  But others have already made their point and so have I, so I'll leave it at that for those with reading comprehension.<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I'm pretty sure what he meant is that, asassins are supposed to be pure dps and one of the best, since we have no valueable utility, yet a class with pretty good utility out damages us.  And yea, a zerker with that weapon in my guild pulls 375 dps.</DIV>

[MaNiaGG]

Come on Sumanye, tell us ur doing even more, 450+ or sth <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>MaNiaGG wrote:Come on Sumanye, tell us ur doing even more, 450+ or sth <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Don't eat lead paint. k thanks</span><div></div>

[Trei]

["... <span>We are talking about the fact that the assassin is a perfectly viable raid class and more than capable of pulling their own weight, and you post that a berserker outdamaged you.  Wow, I'm not even sure what to say.  But others have already made their point and so have I, so I'll leave it at that for those with reading comprehension. ..."] </span><span>If you are raid lead and its on you to decide who gets the last slot;  an assassin or a berserker like the one mentioned above.. Infact, let's put it as the berserker's avg dps for the planned encounter is consistently known to be a whole 50pts <i>lesser</i> than the assassin's even... </span><span>Who would you pick and why?</span> <span> </span><div></div>

[Mishtar99]

   I do not think i said anywhere in my post that we were not a viable raid class. What i did say was that if you are outdamaging everyone else on your guild raids then they must be poorly equiped or not comprehend how to play there class because you could not out damage a well equiped beserker or a warlock.  (most of the time, ie tremblar you would and a few other select instances)