Secondary weapon : Vyrdrai's Claw or Pristine imbued weap ?

[Lo]

Hey fellow shadows, I was wondering what you'll choose for your secondary hand beetween Vyrdrais Claw or Pristine Imbued . For my first hand i have Prismatic and there's no way i'll ever remove it <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> I love the stats of the Vyrdrais claw and the better ratio, i love the proc of the Imbued Ebon but in the end i don't really have an idea of what is really better . Waiting for advices <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Ahlspiess]

<DIV>I believe these are the specs for vyr'dais at Lvl 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Vyr'drais Claw</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>+14 agi +16 Str +50 Health +40 Power</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>18 - 55 damage </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>1.4 second attack rate</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>We will need something to compare it to so i will use a pristine imbued ebon Short Sword</FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>. ( I believe these are the stats correct me if I am wrong.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Pristine imbued Ebon Short Sword</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>+9 agi +11Str +35 Heath +33power</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>14 - 42 damage </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>1.2 second attack rate</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>5 % chance to proc. for 162 - 301 damage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Proc Rate</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Weapon Delay / 3.0 delay) X Proc. %</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the short sword has am 2% chance to proc. each swing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So if you swing 50 times it will proc. an average of 1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.2 swings per second X (350 swings ) = 420 seconds & 7 procs</DIV> <DIV>1.4 swings per second X (300swings) = 420 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>300 hits with the Vyr'drais with 18 - 55 dam. means your damage should range from 5400 - 16500 an average of <FONT color=#ff0000>10950</FONT>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00> 350 hits with the Pris. imbued ebon short sword with a damage of 14 - 42 dam. means your damage should range from 4900  - 14700 and with 7 procs in 420 seconds an average of 1134  - 2107 in proc damage. Total damage 6034 - 16807 an average of <FONT color=#ff0000>11420.5 in 420 seconds</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3333ff>Proc rate fixed! Props to Vuron00 for pointing out Proc rates! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3333ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3333ff>Link to Designers thread below!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3333ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#663366><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=30217#M30217" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=30217#M30217</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#663366></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff66>My 50th time fixing this but its RIGHT this time :/</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:10 AM</span>

[Lo]

Thank you for this nice advice, and your stats are correct . Anyway i need an ebon to make me made a slashing weap imbued . So i'll keep my Claw for non resistant piercing encounters and switch to pristine imbued for the resisting ones . <div></div>

[Ahlspiess]

<DIV>So I looked at a couple other Pristine Imbued Weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Pristine Imbued Ebon Sai</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>+7agi +13 Str +25 health +44 power</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>20 -60 dam.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>1.7 sec.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>162-301 proc every 5%</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Using Vyr'drais stats above. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1.7 weapon delay / 3.0 second delay) X .05 proc = 2.83 % proc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in 35 attacks the Sai will average 1 gleaming Strike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.7 attacks per second X (490 attacks) = 833 seconds & 14 procs</DIV> <DIV>1.4 attacks per second X (595 attacks) = 833 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>595 attacks with <FONT color=#ffff00>Vyr'drais Claw, </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>an </FONT>18 - 55 weapon, has a damage of 10710 - 32725. An average of <FONT color=#ff0000>21717.5 damage in 833 seconds.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>490 attacks with the <FONT color=#ffff00>Pristine Imbued Ebon Sai, </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>a 20 - 60 weapon, has a damage of 9800 - 29400. The 14 procs. add 2268 - 4214 damage. Total damage is 12068 - 33614. An average of <FONT color=#ff0000>22841 damage in 833 seconds.</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does anyone have the stats for a pristine imbued ebon leafblade by chance?</DIV> <P>This isn't a comparison between this weapon and the short sword since they have different time frames.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:42 AM</span>

[Ahlspiess]

<DIV>Double Post</DIV><p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 AM</span>

[MaNiaGG]

From where did you get the waepon information? cause stationplayers' items seem to show wrong weapon damage (at least for feysteel waepons <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) <div></div>

[Vuron]

<P>It's not a big difference, but don't weapon and armor procs work just like poison procs?  Meaning, the chance to proc doesn't occur on each hit, but every 3 seconds.  This reduces the average procs from 14 to around 8.</P> <P> </P>

[Ahlspiess]

<P>Pics from scouts on the forums. Warriors will show more damage for there weapons. </P> <P>Found the Designers notes on procs.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=30217#M30217" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=30217#M30217</A></P> <P>The Formula is (Weapon Delay / 3.0 Delay) X Proc rate. Ok give me a second got to change some numbers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:33 AM</span>

[Lo]

So its seems that PI Weaps > Vyrdrais Claw ... But i still love the extra stats from the claw . Yeah please tell me that i didn't made an error by claiming this Claw in last night raid <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

Well Lolo, I might stick with your claw for it's better damage ratio and stats.  You should run a parse on a raid like CL that isn't pierce immune and see if you do better. <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ahlspiess wrote:<BR> <DIV>So I looked at a couple other Pristine Imbued Weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Pristine Imbued Ebon Sai</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>+7agi +13 Str +25 health +44 power</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>20 -60 dam.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>1.7 sec.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>162-301 proc every 5%</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Using Vyr'drais stats above. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1.7 weapon delay / 3.0 second delay) X .05 proc = 2.83 % proc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in 35 attacks the Sai will average 1 gleaming Strike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.7 attacks per second X (490 attacks) = 833 seconds & 14 procs</DIV> <DIV>1.4 attacks per second X (595 attacks) = 833 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>595 attacks with <FONT color=#ffff00>Vyr'drais Claw, </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>an </FONT>18 - 55 weapon, has a damage of 10710 - 32725. An average of <FONT color=#ff0000>21717.5 damage in 833 seconds.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>490 attacks with the <FONT color=#ffff00>Pristine Imbued Ebon Sai, </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>a 20 - 60 weapon, has a damage of 9800 - 29400. The 14 procs. add 2268 - 4214 damage. Total damage is 12068 - 33614. An average of <FONT color=#ff0000>22841 damage in 833 seconds.</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does anyone have the stats for a pristine imbued ebon leafblade by chance?</DIV> <P>This isn't a comparison between this weapon and the short sword since they have different time frames.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Ahlspiess on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:42 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P>leaf stats</P> <P>12str, 8 agi</P> <P>dam: 24-74</P> <P>delay: 2.1</P> <P>proc is the same<BR></P>

[Amise]

I use prismatic/claw as my main combo, I'm happy with it.   Stats on claw help offset the lack of health/sta on prismatic.  You really need to have two good quality piercing and slashing weapons anyway so the claw is a good pick even if it ends up stashed to use for slash immune mobs. <div></div>