enhanced cheap shot combo :)

[Trei]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>It just suddenly occured to me that I have never seen Numbing Strike mentioned in this forum before, but anyway... We all know the ol' cheapshot -> attk off -> stalk + move behind mob -> ebonblade trick yes? Well here's a new variation hehe: cheapshot -> attk off -> move behind mob  <b><font color="#66ff00">edit2:</font></b> <i>and just beyond your normal melee range</i> -> numbingstrike -> shroudedstrike -> ebonblade -> cloakedbarb    m/ awyeah m/ super combo <span>:smileywink:</span> It is gonna take a lot of practice to get it right though hehe. edit:  even more advanced = combine it with a solo heroic! luckybreak - cheapshot - .......... numbingstrike - ........  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><span></span> <div></div><p><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by Trei49 on <span class="date_text">05-13-2005</span> <span class="time_text">11:21 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Trei49 on <span class=date_text>08-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 AM</span>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

I'm guessing you haven't actually tried this yourself <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Graton]

root will break as soon as you hit a mob with melee dmg so you are better of following stun directly with a stealth melee attack. however you can numbing strike / attack off. back up and hit the mob with assassin's shot or deadly shot. if you get lucky and the initial dmg of the first bow attack doesn't break root, you can chain the two together. i use numbing strike this way all the time when soloing. i also use numbing strike to lose aggro. i find it more reliable than evade / attack off. i find that if i turn off auto attack just as numbing strike is landing i stand a good chance of root not breaking. similar to eq1 if root lands you can back away and the mob will immediately turn on the nearest person. however it also seems that your own auto attack will immediately break root in any situation. i prefer to not use macros for attack off but i imagine you could. so while your proposed combo won't work you are right that most folks never mention numbing strike and it's a very useful ability. <div></div>

[Trei]

<div></div>["... I'm guessing you haven't actually tried this yourself <img src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" border="0" height="16" width="16"> ..."] You guessed wrong <span>:smileytongue:</span> Yeah, even the combined-with-a-heroic one. ["... root will break as soon as you hit a mob with melee dmg so you ar ..."] Just a chance to break, like the mage roots. I haven't had many instantly break upon damage on me so far, though I never seen one last for a full 12secs either lol. ["... so while your proposed combo won't work y..."] It isn't a "proposed" combo, and it works.  Try it.  Use it as an opener sequence for starters if you want: Position yourself far enough behind mob to use melee arts AND ranged arts, then numbstrike -> shroudedstrike -> ebonblade -> cloakedbarb edit:  my current combat opener chain in order -> vlad'sneckshot  <font size="2">for def -5 dbf</font> -> insidiouscut  <font size="2">    pierce+slash dbf </font> -> vex  <font size="2">    another def -5 dbf + slash dbf</font> -> luckybreak  <font size="2">    HOstarter</font> -> cheapshot   <font size="2">    HOadv. + stun</font> -> numbingstrike  <font size="2">    root + HOfinisher + pseudo-stun for...</font> -> shroudedstrike      <font size="2">stealth for...</font> -> ebonblade  <font size="2">   maxed pierce dbf for...</font> -> cloakedbarb  with the occasional AM thrown in somewhere. <font size="2"> </font> Often brings yellow EL bears to 40% hp by the time it gets to turn around. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Trei49 on <span class=date_text>05-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:07 PM</span>

[Graton]

once you hit the mob with numbing strike , it will no longer be stunned, no? so how is it you then hit it with cloaked barb since , even if rooted, it will turn to face you. i don't see how that's possible and i don't know what a pseudo stun is. what is that? <div></div>

[Trei]

<div></div><div></div>Our melee arts have quite a bit longer range that I previously thought hehe.. You can be in range to activate both melee arts and ranged ones but not your auto melee attacks. Apparently this spot is also beyond a mob's normal attack range, which somehow causes the mob to <i>not</i> turn around when rooted;  maybe since it can't reach you and it can't move to reach you...  it just do nothing. (thats what I meant by 'pseudo-stun' - its not a true stun, but it can have the same effect to a certain extent) You can test this by rooting a mob, back off 10-20m and flank it as quickly as you can at the same time. It won't track you. For now, the easiest way for me to pull it off is to just jump over the mob as usual after cheapshot, then hit numbstrike about a midsize-halfelf body length away without turning around. Maybe some of you might think its not worth the time to do, but it sure is fun for me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><p><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by Trei49 on <span class=date_text>05-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:25 AM</span>

[Brianf]

<P>And that is what the game is all about, what is fun for you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Maybe some others will try it out and like it as well. I like that sweet spot you are talkign about as well where I cna fire off any of my combat skills as they become ready as well as keep an eye on the H.O. status for the group to make sure we keep it going and get those 4 steppers complete</P>

[Trei]

<div></div><div></div>Here's a log of one fight <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <font color="#ccffff" size="2">commentary in <b>lightblue </b></font> <font size="2"> </font><font size="1"><font size="2">(1116301112)[Tue May 17 11:38:32 2005] YOUR </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Vladaminn's Neck Shot</font><font size="2"> hits an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">202</font><font size="2"> points of piercing damage. (1116301112)[Tue May 17 11:38:32 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301112)[Tue May 17 11:38:32 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301113)[Tue May 17 11:38:33 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301113)[Tue May 17 11:38:33 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! <font color="#ccffff" size="1"><b> - yeah I know.. I could have fired off a deadly shot here but I didn't, I dunno why -</b></font> (1116301114)[Tue May 17 11:38:34 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301114)[Tue May 17 11:38:34 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301115)[Tue May 17 11:38:35 2005] an unseasoned briarpaw's Barrage hits YOU for </font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">260</font><font size="2"> points of crushing damage. (1116301115)[Tue May 17 11:38:35 2005] YOU hit an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">5</font><font size="2"> points of slashing damage. (1116301115)[Tue May 17 11:38:35 2005] YOU try to pierce an unseasoned briarpaw, but miss. (1116301117)[Tue May 17 11:38:37 2005] YOU try to slash an unseasoned briarpaw, but an unseasoned briarpaw parries. (1116301117)[Tue May 17 11:38:37 2005] YOU hit an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">14</font><font size="2"> points of piercing damage. (111630111<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:38 2005] an unseasoned briarpaw tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry. <b><font color="#ccffff" size="1">- this is where I could have thrown an assn mark in... but I forgot - <font size="2"><u><i>edit :</i></u></font> - this is also where I activated vex - </font></b> (1116301119)[Tue May 17 11:38:39 2005] YOU try to pierce an unseasoned briarpaw with </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Insidious Cut</font><font size="2">, but an unseasoned briarpaw parries. (1116301119)[Tue May 17 11:38:39 2005] YOU try to pierce an unseasoned briarpaw with </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Insidious Cut</font><font size="2">, but an unseasoned briarpaw resists. <b><font color="#ccffff" size="1"><- resist?! w-t-f?!   anyway... dammit 100+ damage and a debuff poofed</font></b> (1116301119)[Tue May 17 11:38:39 2005] YOU try to slash an unseasoned briarpaw, but an unseasoned briarpaw parries. (1116301119)[Tue May 17 11:38:39 2005] YOU hit an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">18</font><font size="2"> points of piercing damage. (1116301120)[Tue May 17 11:38:40 2005] YOU try to slash an unseasoned briarpaw, but miss. (1116301122)[Tue May 17 11:38:42 2005] YOU try to slash an unseasoned briarpaw, but miss. (1116301122)[Tue May 17 11:38:42 2005] YOU hit an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">8 </font><font size="2">points of piercing damage. (1116301122)[Tue May 17 11:38:42 2005] YOU hit an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">11</font><font size="2"> points of slashing damage. (1116301123)[Tue May 17 11:38:43 2005] You trigger a starter chain. (1116301123)[Tue May 17 11:38:43 2005] You stop fighting. (1116301124)[Tue May 17 11:38:44 2005] You triggered </font><font color="#ffcc99" size="2">Swindler's Luck</font><font size="2">. <b><font color="#ccffff" size="1"><- this is when cheapshot was used</font></b> (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:47 2005] You start fighting. <b><font color="#ccffff" size="1"><- this is right after I jumped over the bear</font></b> (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:48 2005] YOUR </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Numbing Strike</font><font size="2"> hits an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">102</font><font size="2"> points of slashing damage. (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:48 2005] You complete </font><font color="#ffcc99" size="2">Swindler's Luck</font><font size="2">.  <b><font color="#ccffff" size="1"><- if only it was ringing blow hehe, then it would be another 100 damage</font></b> (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:48 2005] You are imbued with divine wrath. (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:48 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer!  <font color="#ccffff" size="1"><b><- notice that I am within range for melee art but not autoattk</b></font> (111630112<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue May 17 11:38:48 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301129)[Tue May 17 11:38:49 2005] an unseasoned briarpaw's Wild Swing hits YOU for </font><font color="#cc0000" size="2">127</font><font size="2"> points of crushing damage.  <font color="#ccffff" size="1"><b><- apparently though I was out of mob normal atk range, its specials can still hit me regardless of its facing... o_O</b></font> (1116301130)[Tue May 17 11:38:50 2005] YOUR </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Shrouded Strike</font><font size="2"> hits an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">111</font><font size="2"> points of slashing damage. (1116301130)[Tue May 17 11:38:50 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301130)[Tue May 17 11:38:50 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301132)[Tue May 17 11:38:52 2005] The shadows dissapate from Trei. (1116301132)[Tue May 17 11:38:52 2005] YOUR </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Ebon Blade</font><font size="2"> hits an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">249</font><font size="2"> points of piercing damage. (1116301132)[Tue May 17 11:38:52 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301132)[Tue May 17 11</font><font size="2">:38:52 2005] Your target is too far away!  Move closer! (1116301133)[Tue May 17 11:38:53 2005] YOUR </font><font color="#ffff00" size="2">Cloaked Barb</font><font size="2"> hits an unseasoned briarpaw for </font><font color="#00cc00" size="2">368</font><font size="2"> points of piercing damage. </font> <b><font color="#ccffff"><- bear turned around just as the arrow left my bow,  12sec duration my foot... </font></b></font> <div></div><p><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by Trei49 on <span class=date_text>05-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:27 PM</span>

[Demonskill]

<DIV>very nice, it looks like it can work, i'll try and see if i can do it or not heh~ ^__^</DIV>

[VincentLest]

<DIV>Very nice... hhmm now the real question is will they let this fly?(working as intended gag) or will this be listed as intended fix on the range for melee skills.</DIV>

[Roloc]

I so want to believe you man.  However I have tried this all night on gnolls at least 15-20 times and it has never stuck when I hit him with numbing strike... they may stay rooted but they always turn around as soon as I hit them <div></div>

[HuxleyS]

<P>Rooted mobs cant turn around. Ive paralyzing strike and spitting viper them all the time...</P> <P> </P>

[VincentLest]

<P>I have to wonder this myself... I sometimes have mobs turn around to face me as well.  Even the stun effect change on alot of skills to just say target can not attack not stunned, however at 50 sounds like solo is still a decent chance using the back attack combos.</P>

[Trei]

["... I so want to believe you man.  However I have tried this all night on gnolls at least 15-20 times and it has never stuck when I hit him with numbing strike... they may stay rooted but they always turn around as soon as I hit them ..."] Then you were too close to the mobs, assuming your root didn't in fact miss or get deflected... They will not turn if you are beyond their melee range (or was it the other way round<i></i>...?.. <span>:smileytongue:</span> ) . If you are talking about them turning when you hit them <i>after</i> they were rooted... yes the root can break, but the chance can be greatly reduced by keeping your own automelee out of range. I have been able to stand almost 1.5x normal halfelf bodylength away from targets and still pull off my combos. <div></div>

[Graton]

<span><blockquote><hr>Roloc59 wrote:I so want to believe you man.  However I have tried this all night on gnolls at least 15-20 times and it has never stuck when I hit him with numbing strike... they may stay rooted but they always turn around as soon as I hit them <div></div><hr></blockquote> are you turning off auto attack as soon as paralyzing strike hits? melee auto attack pretty much immediately breaks it. it can break easily anyway but if you turn off auto attack you have a reasonable chance of it sticking. this is btw in my opinion the singlest best way to lose aggro quickly for an assassin. root and get out of melee range, if it sticks the mob will turn to the closest melee person, which should be the tank.</span><div></div>

[Roloc]

[ Then you were too close to the mobs, assuming your root didn't in fact miss or get deflected...] Ahh that could be it actually.I didn't see that part in the OP and must have miss read it..  I was speaking of them turning as soon as they got rooted... making me not be able to do the second part which you listed as shrouded strike, thus nulling the entire combo.  Sure I could back off and deadly shot / assassin's shot but I could do that without all the hooey <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Yes auto attack was off I am not a newb sheesh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> j/k I will try again when I get home from work... [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] jobs! <div></div>

[Roloc]

Just worked on first kill! Awesome thanks! May want to edit OP to include the distance thing <div></div>

[Trei]

hehehe cool <span>:smileyhappy:</span> The distance thing i did mention a few posts after, you didn't read the whole thread? Anyway the OP has now been edited. <div></div>

[Roloc]

well... umm... hehe yeah I did actually but it just didn't stick. but that is however why I suggested you edit the OP for the lazy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Trei]

ahh ... <span>:smileywink:</span> bet ya also one of those scouts that just target the MT in groups instead of actually using Assist eh <span>:smileytongue:  <font size="1">kidding!</font></span> <div></div>

[zarinskey]

<P>wrong thread</P><p>Message Edited by zarinskey on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:59 PM</span>

[Roloc]

umm yeah actually <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> hehe I havn't heard any complaints, my guild is a small group of friends so we arn't all that "uber" anyways <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>