T5 Poison info post patch.

[MaddBomber]

<DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=a13&message.id=5103" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=a13&message.id=5103</A></DIV> <DIV>As inspected by a level 50 ranger.</DIV> <DIV>All skills are 200 min and 250 max.</DIV> <DIV>These are player crafted poisons.</DIV> <DIV>They have 7 charges each.</DIV> <DIV> <P align=center><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Poison, Common</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Damage 25% chance to proc</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Level, <B>Name, </B>Rare, Resource, Type, <B>Effect</B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>42, <B>Anger of the Spirits, </B>C, </SPAN><SPAN>Lacquer</SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN>Wash</SPAN><SPAN>, Poison, <B>Large upfront, small overtime, 100 Triggers<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>227+72 damage, 60 per tic every 6 seconds</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>43, <B>Disruptive Torment, </B>C, Lacquer Oil, Poison, <B>Very large upfront, very small over time, 100 times.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>268+47 damage, 39 per tic every 6 seconds</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>41, <B>Hypnotic Shock, </B>C, Golgi Resin, Poison, <B>Small upfront, large over time, 100 times<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>126+103 damage, 105 per tic every 6 seconds</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>41, <B>Withering Spirit, </B>C, </SPAN><SPAN>Gogli</SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN>Wash</SPAN><SPAN>, Poison, <B>Very small upfront very large over time, 100 times.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>163+43 damage, 135 per tic every 6 seconds</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>42, <B>Touch of the Void, </B>C, Golgi Oil, Poison, <B>Moderat upfront, moderat overtime<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>165+97 damage, 81 per tic every 6 seconds</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Debuff 20% chance to proc</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Level, <B>Name, </B>Rare, Resource, Type, <B>Effect</B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>44, <B>Explosive Resentment, </B>C, </SPAN><SPAN>Peppertree</SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN>Wash</SPAN><SPAN>, Poison, <B>Heat/Cold debuff, 40 times.<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Heat/Cold -600 debuff</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>43, <B>Turbulent Misery, </B>C, Lacquer Resin, Poison, <B>Poison/Disease debuff, 40 times<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Poison/Disease -600 debuff</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>44, <B>Unfavorable Adversity, </B>C, Peppertree Oil, Poison, <B>Mental and Divine Debuff, 40 times<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Mental/Divine -600 debuff</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>45, <B>Whispers of Heartlessness, </B>C, Peppertree Resin, Poison, <B>Magic/Slashing debuff, 40 times<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Magic -600 / Slash -450 debuff</FONT></B></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>

[khalysta]

<DIV>Nice upgrades overall but the dot changes hurt the low dd high dot poisons.</DIV>

[MaddBomber]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> khalysta wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nice upgrades overall but the dot changes hurt the low dd high dot poisons.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Really?  I don't know what they were before patch, right now they seem to scale perty good imo.  Below is the upfront vs total damage.  The bigger dot ones do more damage, and the bigger upfront does more upfront, all seems to scale well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Damage</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Level, <B>Name, </B>Rare, Resource, Type, <B>Effect</B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>42, <B>Anger of the Spirits, </B>C, </SPAN><SPAN>Lacquer</SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN>Wash</SPAN><SPAN>, Poison, <B>Large upfront, small overtime, 100 Triggers<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>227+72 damage, 60 per tic every 6 seconds<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT color=#ff0000>299 upfront</FONT> + 240 overtime = </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>539 total</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>43, <B>Disruptive Torment, </B>C, Lacquer Oil, Poison, <B>Very large upfront, very small over time, 100 times.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>268+47 damage, 39 per tic every 6 seconds<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT color=#ff0000>315 upfront</FONT> + 156 overtime = </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>471 total</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>41, <B>Hypnotic Shock, </B>C, Golgi Resin, Poison, <B>Small upfront, large over time, 100 times<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>126+103 damage, 105 per tic every 6 seconds<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT color=#ff0000>229 upfront</FONT> + 420 overtime = </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>649 total</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>41, <B>Withering Spirit, </B>C, </SPAN><SPAN>Gogli</SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN>Wash</SPAN><SPAN>, Poison, <B>Very small upfront very large over time, 100 times.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>163+43 damage, 135 per tic every 6 seconds<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT color=#ff0000>206 upfront</FONT> + 540 overtime = </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>746 total</FONT></B></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>42, <B>Touch of the Void, </B>C, Golgi Oil, Poison, <B>Moderat upfront, moderat overtime<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>165+97 damage, 81 per tic every 6 seconds<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT color=#ff0000>262 upfront</FONT> + 324 overtime = </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>586 total</FONT></B></SPAN></P></DIV>

[MaddBomber]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> khalysta wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nice upgrades overall but the dot changes hurt the low dd high dot poisons.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh also keep in mind this info is off an inspect of the poison.  Actual damage varies.  Havn't passed em to a scout type yet to test in the field, maybe tonight.

[Putka]

I think Khalysta is talking about the new DoT mitigations

[khalysta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Putka wrote:<BR>I think Khalysta is talking about the new DoT mitigations <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ya every ability that has a dot is being mitigated way down now.  So a poison that ticks for say 100 isnt doing that 100 it says on most hits and is probably doing 50-80 depending on debuffs.  It is nice seeing them hit on raid mobs reagardless of the mitigation though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ZaranilShadowfie]

Just curious how much of a positive change this created? <div></div>

[Putka]

<P>err I don't think this change is in yet <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (judging from what Blackguard wrote anyway) </P> <P>So far the only fixed thing was the scaling based on Poisoning skill.. so they go up to 250 too.</P> <p>Message Edited by Putka on <span class=date_text>04-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:23 AM</span>

[MaddBomber]

<DIV>Yes and no.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adding min skill and increasing mastery skill did adjust the damages of the current live poisons.  However since the store bought ones were affected too, it really didn't change much.  Also adding min skills scaled things better, so some went up or down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The next hot fix supposidly will add more damage to the player crafted ones.  Once that goes in I'll update my post to reflect the new inspect data.</DIV>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

<span><blockquote><hr>Putka wrote:<div></div> <p>So far the only fixed thing was the scaling based on Poisoning skill.. so they go up to 250 too.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>... that's what I was talking about :p   I'm happy that vendor poisons also had skill adjusted, because frankly I don't see myself shelling out more cash to an alchemist.  I like to do damage, but I don't care to pay much more than pocket change to do it</span><div></div>

[Putka]

me neither, but more than money the problem is all the hassle of getting these poisons. I mean, how often do you see exactly the kind of poison you want on the broker? you need a constant supply of this stuff <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh well, thats why I went alchemist.

[MaddBomber]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Putka wrote:<BR>me neither, but more than money the problem is all the hassle of getting these poisons. I mean, how often do you see exactly the kind of poison you want on the broker? you need a constant supply of this stuff <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh well, thats why I went alchemist. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Woot!!!!!</P> <P>Yes you are right.  That is the main reason I posted the above list.  When you enter T5 poison market, take a look at the above list, send a /tell or mail to your local alchemist, and tell them the one you want and how many.  I send an in game mail to all my repeat customers and tell them, rather than buy it off the broker from me, just send me a mail a few days in advance of when your gonna run out, and I will make them and mail em off to you.<BR></P>

[ZaranilShadowfie]

How much do you charge/ pay for t5 poisons?  I find that if I pay more than a gold for a player made poison jar I am losing money vs. if i went with vendor poisons.  That also assumes I don't die at all, which with player poisons, drops it's proc/money ratio a lot more than with vendor. <div></div>

[NerroVI]

I use Disruptive Torment, on the broker I see it going for about 2 gp a pop atm, fortunately I have a kick *$%#&! alchemist in guild and since I am the only assassin in the guild he takes good care of my poisoning needs. <div></div>

[Sarevh]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>my guild is loving the debuff poisons for certain raid mobe <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I've got some of the rare poisons made too. I am unsure how effective they are against raid mobs yet (only just picked them up) <a href="http://www.imageshack.us" target="_blank"><img src="http://img31.echo.cx/img31/4352/eq20000352ei.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" border="0" width="1280"></a> The one that is partially covered is called "Translucent ward of teh Stalwart" No idea what it does as you can see. Come to think of it "Translucent Disruptive torment" has lost its description too :S <div></div><p>Message Edited by Sarevhok on <span class=date_text>04-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 PM</span>

[MaddBomber]

<DIV>You'll find poisons on my vendor for 3gp each.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are right, from a cost/use perspective it is better to buy from a NPC.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From the Alchemist perspective, there are several other things I can make that give me more coin profit per time than poisons, even at the 3gp selling price.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Brianf]

Poison good...more posion better.